History Literature / Dune

6th Nov '17 1:35:18 PM Jorge_AMF_85
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* From the early 1970's on, several disastrous attempts were made to produce a theatrical film. Cult Argentinian director Creator/AlejandroJodorowsky (known for incredibly bizarre, unsettling films such as ''Film/ElTopo'' and ''Film/TheHolyMountain'') forced his way onto the project after having never read the book, and decided to ignore the book almost completely in favor of his own vision. Convinced that he could "rape Frank Herbert with love", he resolved to make '''a movie based on his dream,''' with a few random, minor ideas from the book itself thrown in to connect it in ''some'' way to the book (that's not hyperbole, that was his stated agenda). [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Inevitably, it was too insane and weirdly ambitious (and far over budget) to ever get off the ground.]] The 2014 documentary ''Film/JodorowskysDune'' is a look into what Jodorowsky envisioned.

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* From the early 1970's on, several disastrous attempts were made to produce a theatrical film. Cult Argentinian Chilean-French director Creator/AlejandroJodorowsky (known for incredibly bizarre, unsettling films such as ''Film/ElTopo'' and ''Film/TheHolyMountain'') forced his way onto the project after having never read the book, and decided to ignore the book almost completely in favor of his own vision. Convinced that he could "rape Frank Herbert with love", he resolved to make '''a movie based on his dream,''' with a few random, minor ideas from the book itself thrown in to connect it in ''some'' way to the book (that's not hyperbole, that was his stated agenda). [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Inevitably, it was too insane and weirdly ambitious (and far over budget) to ever get off the ground.]] The 2014 documentary ''Film/JodorowskysDune'' is a look into what Jodorowsky envisioned.
9th Oct '17 6:09:42 PM NubianSatyress
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* TopWife: Noblemen of the Empire can have one official wife and any number of concubines. It's a plot point that Jessica, though the love of Duke Leto's life and the mother of his heir, is for political reasons only a concubine and not a full wife. In turn, and again for political reasons, their son Paul takes the Emperor's daughter as his wife and the woman he really loves, Chani, as his concubine. The novel ends with Jessica commenting to Chani:
-->"Think on it, Chani: the princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine -- never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine -- history will call us wives."
7th Oct '17 10:22:01 PM SpoopS
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** If we count non-firearm weapons as well, bladed melee weapons count in general in the 'verse. Though thrusting even a simple dagger through a personal shield takes practice, it is an effective enough fighting method (since nobody, in 'verse, combines a personal shield with conventional body armour capable of halting a dagger). It allows the essentially medieval melee weapons of the setting to stay relevant in infantry warfare. Then again, on planets like Arrakis, where personal shields are too risky ([[BerserkButton because they drive sandworms crazy]]), tactics change accordingly -- with [[SwordAndGun melee weapons and firearms being used in roughly equal measure]].

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** If we count non-firearm weapons as well, bladed melee weapons count in general in the 'verse. Though thrusting even a simple dagger through a personal shield takes practice, it is an effective enough fighting method (since nobody, in 'verse, combines a personal shield with conventional body armour capable of halting a dagger).dagger. Though most blades are so absurdly sharp human body armour has a mostly minimal effect on stopping most melee weapons, and every bit of mobility counts.). It allows the essentially medieval melee weapons of the setting to stay relevant in infantry warfare. Then again, on planets like Arrakis, where personal shields are too risky ([[BerserkButton because they drive sandworms crazy]]), tactics change accordingly -- with [[SwordAndGun melee weapons and firearms being used in roughly equal measure]].



** Oddly, nobody calls this out by resurrecting bullzozers, or any other (completely mundane) method to counteract shields and thereby overcome the era's extreme tactical stasis.
19th Sep '17 9:30:01 AM Luppercus
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* Other are cases of InterfaithSmoothie; Budhislam, Zensufism (Zen+Sufism), Mahayana Christianity, Third Islam.

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* ** Other are cases of InterfaithSmoothie; Budhislam, Zensufism (Zen+Sufism), Mahayana Christianity, Third Islam.
19th Sep '17 9:28:22 AM Luppercus
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* FictionalReligion:
** The Bene Gesserit are a mysterious order of powerful women who develop strong mental abilities for years of discipline and practice. Their leaders are called Reverend Mothers and seems to be extremely influential in the Empire. As such it has certain similarities with the Catholic Church, but also has similarities with some female Pagan orders like the Vestals, and of course, they are called witches by their detractors.
** The Fremen of Dune worship of the Muad'Dib has many similarities with Islam in its first centuries, as it a messianic figure for a desert dwelling tribal people.
* Other are cases of InterfaithSmoothie; Budhislam, Zensufism (Zen+Sufism), Mahayana Christianity, Third Islam.
16th Aug '17 8:34:48 PM hollowboy
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* MacGuffin: The spice is largely a MacGuffin, since the majority of what makes it valuable and highly contested (the geriatric properties) are not supported in 'verse. The Fremen don't have long lifespans, and no character of the original trilogy is described as being unusually old, or even references someone who is. The only demonstrated (mind altering) properties of the spice are useful only for a very limited group.

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* MacGuffin: The spice is largely a MacGuffin, since the majority of what makes it valuable and highly contested (the geriatric properties) are not supported in 'verse. The Fremen don't have long lifespans, and no character of the original trilogy is described as being unusually old, or even references someone who is. The only demonstrated (mind altering) demonstrated, mind altering, properties of the spice are useful only for to a very limited group.
16th Aug '17 8:29:46 PM hollowboy
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** A general rule on Arrakis, as a ploy for being able to fight someone regardless of whether he's foolhardy enough to carry a working personal shield generator or not. Unlike lasguns, kinetic firearms fire projectiles that can always penetrate a personal shield without fear of causing a miniature nuclear explosion. This makes them ideal for fighting shielded and unshielded infantry alike. It is explicitly mentioned numerous times that Fremen [[GenreSavvy prefer to use]] [[FlechetteStorm spring-loaded dartguns]], [[AutomaticCrossbows crossbow-like guns]], or [[KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter just plain old gunpowder firearms]].

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** A general rule on Arrakis, as a ploy for being able to fight someone regardless of whether he's foolhardy enough to carry a working personal shield generator or not. Unlike lasguns, kinetic firearms fire projectiles that can always penetrate strike a personal shield without fear of causing a miniature nuclear explosion. This makes them ideal for fighting shielded and unshielded infantry alike. It is explicitly mentioned numerous times that Fremen [[GenreSavvy prefer to use]] [[FlechetteStorm spring-loaded dartguns]], [[AutomaticCrossbows crossbow-like guns]], or [[KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter just plain old gunpowder firearms]].
16th Aug '17 8:18:54 PM hollowboy
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* DrawSwordDrawBlood: The Fremen consider re-sheathing a crysknife without drawing blood to be a very grave offense.

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* DrawSwordDrawBlood: The Fremen consider re-sheathing a crysknife without drawing blood to be a very grave offense. Very unevenly applied: by the end of the original trilogy, there have been multiple scenes where a crysknife is unsheathed and not blooded, with no comment made. This is possibly done to demonstrate the rapid corruption of Fremen culture.
16th Aug '17 8:03:42 PM hollowboy
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* MacGuffin: The spice is largely a MacGuffin, since the majority of what makes it valuable and highly contested (the geriatric properties) are not supported in 'verse. The Fremen don't have long lifespans, and no character of the original trilogy is described as being unusually old, or even references someone who is. The only demonstrated (mind altering) properties of the spice are useful only for a very limited group.
16th Aug '17 7:53:54 PM hollowboy
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** If we count non-firearm weapons as well, bladed melee weapons count in general in the 'verse. Though thrusting even a simple dagger through a personal shield takes practice, it is an effective enough fighting method. It allows the essentially medieval melee weapons of the setting to stay relevant in infantry warfare. Then again, on planets like Arrakis, where personal shields are too risky ([[BerserkButton because they drive sandworms crazy]]), tactics change accordingly -- with [[SwordAndGun melee weapons and firearms being used in roughly equal measure]].

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** If we count non-firearm weapons as well, bladed melee weapons count in general in the 'verse. Though thrusting even a simple dagger through a personal shield takes practice, it is an effective enough fighting method.method (since nobody, in 'verse, combines a personal shield with conventional body armour capable of halting a dagger). It allows the essentially medieval melee weapons of the setting to stay relevant in infantry warfare. Then again, on planets like Arrakis, where personal shields are too risky ([[BerserkButton because they drive sandworms crazy]]), tactics change accordingly -- with [[SwordAndGun melee weapons and firearms being used in roughly equal measure]].
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