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8th Apr '18 9:56:35 AM Morgenthaler
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* FlowerMouth: The sandworms have a three-part jaw.
31st Mar '18 8:41:56 AM kaninefat
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** Paul. In the early chapters he supposedly shows insight beyond his years, but reality he seems like a normal teenager. Examples: He remarks that when spice production fails people with a stockpile will make a lot of money. This is correct, but it's standard economics, not brilliant insight. Later he asks the size of the teritory of a sandworm. A pertinent question, but again, nothing speical even for a teenager.

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** Paul. In the early chapters he supposedly shows insight beyond his years, but in reality he seems like a normal teenager. Examples: He remarks that when spice production fails people with a stockpile will make a lot of money. This is correct, but it's standard economics, not brilliant insight. Later he asks the size of the teritory of a sandworm. A sandworm, which is presented as more proof of his precociousness. It's a pertinent question, but again, nothing speical special even for a teenager.
31st Mar '18 1:01:59 AM kaninefat
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** Thufir Hawat. Supposedly a brilliant mentat, he fails at pretty much everything he does. He miscalculates the size of the Harkonnen attack; he fails to anticipate the assassination attempt on Paul; and he wastes his time trying to find evidence against an innocent person while completely ignoring the real traitor. EVen his attempts to play Feyd off against the baron never lead to anything useful. On top of this he generally seems ignorant. He was not aware that the Harkonnen had kidnapped Yueh's wife. Worst of all, he was surprised by Jessica's Voice ability, even though she had been training Paul to use it and had taught people like Gurney and Duncan to resist it. Some of these things can be justified by the fact that he lacked resources, but it is still a pretty dismal performance. At best Thufir is simply past his prime. At worst he was always badly overrated.

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** Thufir Hawat. Supposedly a brilliant mentat, he fails at pretty much everything he does. He miscalculates the size of the Harkonnen attack; he fails to anticipate the assassination attempt on Paul; and he wastes his time trying to find evidence against an innocent person while completely ignoring the real traitor. EVen Even his attempts to play Feyd off against the baron never lead to anything useful. On top of this he generally seems ignorant. He was not aware that the Harkonnen had kidnapped Yueh's wife. Worst of all, he was surprised by Jessica's Voice ability, even though she had been training Paul to use it and had taught people like Gurney and Duncan to resist it. Some of these things can be justified by the fact that he lacked resources, but it is still a pretty dismal performance. At best Thufir is simply past his prime. At worst he was always badly overrated.
31st Mar '18 12:37:43 AM kaninefat
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** Justified in the case fo teh Sardaukar. The fact that their skills have degenerated is a major plot point of the story.

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** Justified in the case fo teh of the Sardaukar. The fact that their skills have degenerated is a major plot point of the story.
31st Mar '18 12:37:06 AM kaninefat
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** Thufir Hawat. Supposedly a brilliant mentat, he fails at pretty much everything he does. He miscalculates the size of the Harkonnen attack; he fails to anticipate the assassination attempt on Paul; and he wastes his time trying to find evidence against an innocent person while completely ignoring the real traitor. EVen his attempts to play Feyd off against the baron never lead to anything useful. On top of this he generally seems ignorant. He was not aware that the Harkonnen had kidnapped Yueh's wife. Worst of all, he was surprised by Jessica's Voice ability, even though she had been training Paul to use it and had taught people like Gurney and Duncan to resist it. Some of these things can be justified by the fact that he lacked resources, but it is still a pretty dismal performance. At best Thufir is simply past his prime. At worst he was always badly overrated.
** Paul. In the early chapters he supposedly shows insight beyond his years, but reality he seems like a normal teenager. Examples: He remarks that when spice production fails people with a stockpile will make a lot of money. This is correct, but it's standard economics, not brilliant insight. Later he asks the size of the teritory of a sandworm. A pertinent question, but again, nothing speical even for a teenager.
** Justified in the case fo teh Sardaukar. The fact that their skills have degenerated is a major plot point of the story.
26th Feb '18 6:26:58 AM PRH
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* RedScare: The Harkonnens are apparently of Russian descent. Now remember that the books came out during the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.

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* RedScare: The Harkonnens are apparently of Baron Harkonnen has a Russian descent.name, Vladimir (though the family name Harkonnen is reminiscent of the Finnish surname Härkönen). Now remember that the books came out during the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
8th Feb '18 1:59:06 PM Steam_Lord
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** The Fremen word "kanly" is directly from the Chechen for "vendetta."

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** The Fremen word "kanly" is directly from the Chechen for "vendetta."
8th Jan '18 4:58:50 PM costanton11
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''Dune'' is the first book in a popular series of ScienceFiction novels, written by Creator/FrankHerbert, it was rejected twenty times by various publishers before finally being published in 1965 by Chilton, a publishing house best known for its [=DIY=] auto repair guides. ''Dune'' is a UsefulNotes/HugoAward, UsefulNotes/NebulaAward and SeiunAward winner.

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''Dune'' is the first book in a popular series of ScienceFiction novels, written by Creator/FrankHerbert, it was rejected twenty times by various publishers before finally being published in 1965 by Chilton, a publishing house best known for its [=DIY=] auto repair guides. ''Dune'' is a UsefulNotes/HugoAward, UsefulNotes/NebulaAward and SeiunAward UsefulNotes/SeiunAward winner.
16th Dec '17 10:23:04 AM adbrown
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* BeneathSuspicion: Dr. Yueh is this.

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* BeneathSuspicion: Dr. Yueh is this.dismissed as a possible traitor because he's not actually part of the Atreides military/security apparatus. And because he ''is'' a traitor, he's considered an annoyance to be disposed of by Baron Harkonnen, even though Yueh's work is the only reason that the Baron's plan ultimately fails.
15th Dec '17 1:02:24 AM Anddrix
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* Once Jodorowsky's vision fell apart, the producers turned to a young, upstart new director who had been considered for ''[[StarWars Return of the Jedi]],'' mostly on the strength of his classic [[Film/{{Eraserhead}} first film]] and a critically and commercially successful [[Film/TheElephantMan biopic]] which made him a popular commodity in the industry. The man's name: Creator/DavidLynch, who took the project and made it his own bizzare opus, but to a far more faithful extent than Jodorowsky would have. Due to his alien style and the sheer scale of the book, the already-complex narrative became nearly incomprehensible to some viewers; many theaters handed out [[AllThereInTheManual printed plot summaries]] to patrons. The 1984 Lynch version of ''Film/{{Dune}}'' is the most memorable (and notorious) for its Freudian imagery, [[SceneryPorn elaborate set design]] (containing some holdovers from the Jodorowsky version, including Giger's designs), and AllStarCast. Subsequent recut and extended versions have inspired [[BrokenBase varying]] degrees of critical [[LoveItOrHateIt reappraisal]]. Its box office revenues were lower than movie's substantial budget however, and has become both a CultClassic, and an example of how ''not'' to make a blockbuster.

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* Once Jodorowsky's vision fell apart, the producers turned to a young, upstart new director who had been considered for ''[[StarWars Return of the Jedi]],'' mostly on the strength of his classic [[Film/{{Eraserhead}} first film]] and a critically and commercially successful [[Film/TheElephantMan biopic]] which made him a popular commodity in the industry. The man's name: Creator/DavidLynch, who took the project and made it his own bizzare opus, but to a far more faithful extent than Jodorowsky would have. Due to his alien style and the sheer scale of the book, the already-complex narrative became nearly incomprehensible to some viewers; many theaters handed out [[AllThereInTheManual printed plot summaries]] to patrons. The 1984 Lynch version of ''Film/{{Dune}}'' is the most memorable (and notorious) for its Freudian imagery, [[SceneryPorn elaborate set design]] (containing some holdovers from the Jodorowsky version, including Giger's designs), and AllStarCast. Subsequent recut and extended versions have inspired [[BrokenBase varying]] degrees of critical [[LoveItOrHateIt reappraisal]].reappraisal. Its box office revenues were lower than movie's substantial budget however, and has become both a CultClassic, and an example of how ''not'' to make a blockbuster.
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