History Literature / CoDominium

16th Jul '16 12:31:10 PM nombretomado
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!!!The CoDominium Era

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!!!The CoDominium [=CoDominium=] Era



* AuthorFilibuster: Like much of Pournelle's work, the CoDominium stories get rather {{Anvilicious}} in dishing up his social and political ideas.

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* AuthorFilibuster: Like much of Pournelle's work, the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] stories get rather {{Anvilicious}} in dishing up his social and political ideas.



If you're wondering exactly why anyone ''chose'' to live here? Most ''didn't'' - they were ''[[SentencedToDownUnder deported]]'' there by the CoDominium - and as even bureaucrats had enough heart not to send hippies to hell, most of those deportees were violent criminals. The only people who came there with technology was a PathOfInspiration kooky enough to ''pay'' to come.\\

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If you're wondering exactly why anyone ''chose'' to live here? Most ''didn't'' - they were ''[[SentencedToDownUnder deported]]'' there by the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] - and as even bureaucrats had enough heart not to send hippies to hell, most of those deportees were violent criminals. The only people who came there with technology was a PathOfInspiration kooky enough to ''pay'' to come.\\



* FantasticShipPRefix: [=CoDominium=] ships have the prefix CDS (CoDominium Ship)

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* FantasticShipPRefix: [=CoDominium=] ships have the prefix CDS (CoDominium ([=CoDominium=] Ship)



* GalacticSuperpower: First the CoDominium, then the Empires.

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* GalacticSuperpower: First the CoDominium, [=CoDominium=], then the Empires.



* SchizoTech: Justified by a century-long period of ModernStasis following the creation of FasterThanLightTravel, due to every politician in the CoDominium being either an ObstructiveBureaucrat, a StrawmanPolitical or a WellIntentionedExtremist; the only way all these megalomaniacs could agree not to start WorldWarIII was to agree not to develop weapons technology any further, which meant not developing ''anything'', and trashing all the libraries so nobody could build better weapons by MacGyvering. They then proceeded to deport millions of people every year to every marginally habitable world they could find, often with little more than the clothes on their backs. The result is a smorgasbord of Schizo Tech. CasualInterstellarTravel, but [[FamilyFriendlyFirearms no lasers]]. Hand-held anti-satellite weaponry stored next to bolt-action rifles. Spaceports with horse troughs. Pournelle's [[TheVerse 'Verse]] never actually recovered from the whole mess; a thousand years later, every SpaceMarine thinks [[TechMarchesOn PDAs are state-of-the-art]].

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* SchizoTech: Justified by a century-long period of ModernStasis following the creation of FasterThanLightTravel, due to every politician in the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] being either an ObstructiveBureaucrat, a StrawmanPolitical or a WellIntentionedExtremist; the only way all these megalomaniacs could agree not to start WorldWarIII was to agree not to develop weapons technology any further, which meant not developing ''anything'', and trashing all the libraries so nobody could build better weapons by MacGyvering. They then proceeded to deport millions of people every year to every marginally habitable world they could find, often with little more than the clothes on their backs. The result is a smorgasbord of Schizo Tech. CasualInterstellarTravel, but [[FamilyFriendlyFirearms no lasers]]. Hand-held anti-satellite weaponry stored next to bolt-action rifles. Spaceports with horse troughs. Pournelle's [[TheVerse 'Verse]] never actually recovered from the whole mess; a thousand years later, every SpaceMarine thinks [[TechMarchesOn PDAs are state-of-the-art]].



** Grand Senator Bronson. Determined to dominate the CoDominium and whatever arises after it tears itself apart as well as to utterly destroy all he regards as his enemies, and a very evil man. Nevertheless, he is shown to hate the hell that the CoDominium has created, and is working towards the same end as his enemies: the survival of human civilization. Pournelle's AuthorAvatar [[WordofGod spells this out]] in ''Prince of Sparta''.
** On the heroic side, there is John Grant, Director of the CIA who, in ''Mercenary'', to keep the CoDominium (and with it, human civilization) alive as long as possible, [[spoiler: destroys the campaign of presidential candidate Harvey Bertram (whose victory would, he believes, lead to WorldWarIII), by framing some of his supporters for giving nuclear weapons to Japanese nationalists. He then exiles his daughter offworld to cover up his actions]].
** From the same book, U.S. presidential candidates Harmon and Harvery Bertram. Harmon is a rabid right-winger who sees the CoDominium as making the United States a partner in Communist oppression and wants to pull the U.S. out, risk of nuclear war be damned, emphasizes the "extremist" part. Harvey Bertram, a libertarian idealist who wants to restore the liberties that participation in the CoDominium cost the United States, meanwhile, emphasizes the "well intentioned" part. Victory by either man would lead to WorldWarIII.

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** Grand Senator Bronson. Determined to dominate the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] and whatever arises after it tears itself apart as well as to utterly destroy all he regards as his enemies, and a very evil man. Nevertheless, he is shown to hate the hell that the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] has created, and is working towards the same end as his enemies: the survival of human civilization. Pournelle's AuthorAvatar [[WordofGod spells this out]] in ''Prince of Sparta''.
** On the heroic side, there is John Grant, Director of the CIA who, in ''Mercenary'', to keep the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] (and with it, human civilization) alive as long as possible, [[spoiler: destroys the campaign of presidential candidate Harvey Bertram (whose victory would, he believes, lead to WorldWarIII), by framing some of his supporters for giving nuclear weapons to Japanese nationalists. He then exiles his daughter offworld to cover up his actions]].
** From the same book, U.S. presidential candidates Harmon and Harvery Bertram. Harmon is a rabid right-winger who sees the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] as making the United States a partner in Communist oppression and wants to pull the U.S. out, risk of nuclear war be damned, emphasizes the "extremist" part. Harvey Bertram, a libertarian idealist who wants to restore the liberties that participation in the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] cost the United States, meanwhile, emphasizes the "well intentioned" part. Victory by either man would lead to WorldWarIII.
6th May '16 11:58:49 AM Mjolnir13621
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** Falkenberg's Legion in numerous instances.
27th Feb '16 6:49:37 AM HiddenWindshield
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At first things seem to go smoothly, Earth is dominated by a one hundred year era of relative peace, and interstellar travel and colonization is developed. However, this peaceful era comes with a price tag attached to it, namely [[ModernStasis a complete halt in scientific research and development; not to mention political evolution.]] Eventually it collapses under its own weight, as both the United States and the USSR both hate each others guts still despite [[EnemyMine technically being allies]]. At the end, [[WorldWarIII large numbers of nuclear-tipped birds fly]], many launched down from orbit, and Earth is devastated. Even a millennium later, the devastation could still be seen.

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At first things seem to go smoothly, Earth is dominated by a one hundred year era of relative peace, and interstellar travel and colonization is developed. However, this peaceful era comes with a price tag attached to it, namely [[ModernStasis a complete halt in scientific research and development; not to mention political evolution.]] Eventually it collapses under its own weight, as both the United States and the USSR both still hate each others other's guts still despite [[EnemyMine technically being allies]]. At the end, [[WorldWarIII large numbers of nuclear-tipped birds fly]], many launched down from orbit, and Earth is devastated. Even a millennium later, the devastation could still be seen.
18th Jan '16 1:38:43 AM Dasher
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** And [[http://community.fortunecity.ws/tattooine/heinlein/326/CoDominium/haven.htm Haven]], the setting of the ''War World'' series, is essentially a thought experiment between him and Creator/LarryNiven summed up as, "Under [[MundaneDogmatic Mundane Dogma]], exactly how horrible can we make a planet where humans can breathe the air?". Here's what they came up with:\\

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** And [[http://community.fortunecity.ws/tattooine/heinlein/326/CoDominium/haven.htm Haven]], the setting of the ''War World'' series, is essentially a thought experiment between him him, Creator John F. Carr and Creator/LarryNiven contributors Roland Green and Don Hawthorne summed up as, "Under [[MundaneDogmatic Mundane Dogma]], exactly how horrible can we make a planet where humans can breathe the air?". Here's what they came up with:\\
9th Oct '15 10:56:43 AM Berrenta
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28th Sep '15 9:17:49 PM Tallens
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* FantasticShipPRefix: [=CoDominium=] ships have the prefix CDS (CoDominium Ship)
15th Mar '15 6:48:13 AM Gatomon41
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* DeathWorld: ''All over the place.'' Most of them were forcibly populated by people the [=CoDominium=] wanted to get rid of for various reasons(criminals, protestors, political enemies, ''personal'' enemies, etc.), without being accused of mass murder, and were unpleasantly surprised when they survived anyway.
** Tanith is an uber-HungryJungle with your expected assortment of lethal critters and horrible diseases. People only go there to grow the drugs Earth uses to [[GovernmentDrugEnforcement keep the lower classes stoned]].

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* DeathWorld: ''All over the place.'' Most of them were forcibly populated by people the [=CoDominium=] wanted to get rid of for various reasons(criminals, reasons (criminals, protestors, political enemies, political inconvenients, ''personal'' enemies, etc.), without being accused of mass murder, and ). Wither or not they survived, let alone were unpleasantly surprised when they survived anyway.
comfortable, was of little interest of the [=CD=]:
** Tanith is an uber-HungryJungle with your expected assortment of lethal critters and horrible diseases. People Largely a penal dumping ground, people only go there to grow the drugs Earth uses to [[GovernmentDrugEnforcement keep the lower classes stoned]].



** And [[http://community.fortunecity.ws/tattooine/heinlein/326/CoDominium/haven.htm Haven]], the setting of the ''War World'' series, is essentially a thought experiment between him and Creator/LarryNiven summed up as, "Under [[MundaneDogmatic Mundane Dogma]], exactly how horrible can we make a planet where humans can breathe the air?":
*** Tidally locked with a deep space gas giant ''bigger'' than Jupiter.
*** It rotates like Mercury - "days" can and do last years, in which the Sun rises about halfway, reverses its course, then sets ''on the same horizon.''
*** Tidally-induced earthquakes galore. An entire ''planet'' of Southern Nevada canyons with Andes-style rocky peaks.
*** The only temperate area is in the equatorial zone, which is kind of like northern Scotland. Due to the thin atmosphere the only near-comfortable area is a single deep rift valley in the equatorial area.
*** And all the indigenous life is [[EverythingTryingToKillYou exactly as horrible]], as indicated by names such as "shark's fin," "hangman bush," "land gator," "dragon" and "wireweed".
*** If you're wondering exactly why anyone ''chose'' to live here? Most ''didn't'' - they were ''[[SentencedToDownUnder deported]]'' there by the CoDominium - and as even bureaucrats had enough heart not to send hippies to hell, most of those deportees were violent criminals. The only people who came there with technology was a PathOfInspiration kooky enough to ''pay'' to come.

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** And [[http://community.fortunecity.ws/tattooine/heinlein/326/CoDominium/haven.htm Haven]], the setting of the ''War World'' series, is essentially a thought experiment between him and Creator/LarryNiven summed up as, "Under [[MundaneDogmatic Mundane Dogma]], exactly how horrible can we make a planet where humans can breathe the air?":
*** Tidally
air?". Here's what they came up with:\\
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The world is tidally
locked with a deep space gas giant ''bigger'' than Jupiter.
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Jupiter. It rotates like Mercury - "days" can and do last years, in which the Sun rises about halfway, reverses its course, then sets ''on the same horizon.''
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'' Tidally-induced earthquakes galore. An entire ''planet'' of Southern Nevada canyons with Andes-style rocky peaks.
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peaks. The only temperate area is in the equatorial zone, which is kind of like northern Scotland. Due to the thin atmosphere the only near-comfortable area is a single deep rift valley in the equatorial area. \n*** And all the indigenous life is [[EverythingTryingToKillYou exactly as horrible]], as indicated by names such as "shark's fin," "hangman bush," "land gator," "dragon" and "wireweed".
***
"wireweed".\\
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If you're wondering exactly why anyone ''chose'' to live here? Most ''didn't'' - they were ''[[SentencedToDownUnder deported]]'' there by the CoDominium - and as even bureaucrats had enough heart not to send hippies to hell, most of those deportees were violent criminals. The only people who came there with technology was a PathOfInspiration kooky enough to ''pay'' to come.\\
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And ''then'' a ship-full of refugee [[ProudWarriorRace Sauron]] {{Super Soldier}}s showed up and [[DeathFromAbove nuked the last remnants of civilization]], and the neighborhood goes ''completely'' to hell. And some of the recent exiles to Haven came from Frystaat.



*** And then a ship-full of refugee [[ProudWarriorRace Sauron]] {{Super Soldier}}s showed up and [[DeathFromAbove nuked the last remnants of civilization]], and the neighborhood goes ''completely'' to hell. And some of the recent exiles to Haven came from Frystaat.
15th Mar '15 12:09:58 AM Kalaong
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* DeathWorld: ''All over the place.'' Most of them were forcibly populated by people the [=CoDominium=] wanted to get rid of for various reasons (too annoying, got in the way of politics, too criminal, etc.).

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* DeathWorld: ''All over the place.'' Most of them were forcibly populated by people the [=CoDominium=] wanted to get rid of for various reasons (too annoying, got in the way of politics, too criminal, reasons(criminals, protestors, political enemies, ''personal'' enemies, etc.).), without being accused of mass murder, and were unpleasantly surprised when they survived anyway.
10th Mar '15 12:11:00 PM Gatomon41
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* DeathWorld: ''All over the place.'' Most of them were forcibly populated by people the [=CoDominium=] wanted to summarily execute without being accused of genocide, and were unpleasantly surprised when they survived anyway.

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* DeathWorld: ''All over the place.'' Most of them were forcibly populated by people the [=CoDominium=] wanted to summarily execute without being accused get rid of genocide, and were unpleasantly surprised when they survived anyway.for various reasons (too annoying, got in the way of politics, too criminal, etc.).



** Fulson's World is an entire planet of Alaska - precious metals under a permanent snow cap.

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** Fulson's World is an entire planet of Alaska - precious metals under a permanent snow cap. It's telling that people would rather be deported to Tanith than be sent here.
10th Mar '15 6:52:33 AM Kalaong
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* ''War World'': series of anthologies that deal with the [[PenalColony prison moon]] Haven, stretching from the Co Dominium era to after the collapse of the First Empire of Man.

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* ''War World'': series of anthologies that deal with the [[PenalColony prison moon]] prison]] DeathWorld Haven, stretching from the Co Dominium era to after the collapse of the First Empire of Man.



** And the ''War World'' series is essentially a thought experiment between him and Creator/LarryNiven summed up as, "Under [[MundaneDogmatic Mundane Dogma]], exactly how horrible can we make a planet where humans can breathe the air?":

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** And [[http://community.fortunecity.ws/tattooine/heinlein/326/CoDominium/haven.htm Haven]], the setting of the ''War World'' series series, is essentially a thought experiment between him and Creator/LarryNiven summed up as, "Under [[MundaneDogmatic Mundane Dogma]], exactly how horrible can we make a planet where humans can breathe the air?":
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