History Literature / ChildBallads

9th Jul '17 2:19:51 PM Madrugada
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Many of them are heavy on dialect, especially the Border Ballads, those collected on the English-Scottish border. Metrical considerations means that using standard English often requires a total rewrite. This also helps keep the number of [[EvilMatriarch Evil]] or [[MyBelovedSmother Overbearing]] Mothers high compared to {{Wicked Stepmother}}s since the scansion and meter of "mother" [[note]]Two beats, emphasis on the first[[/note]] and "stepmother" [[/note]]''Three'' beats, with a primary emphasis on the first and a secondary emphasis on the second.[[/note]] are not interchangeable. A WickedStepmother appears in different ballads than the Evil Matriarch.

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Many of them are heavy on dialect, especially the Border Ballads, those collected on the English-Scottish border. Metrical considerations means that using standard English often requires a total rewrite. This also helps keep the number of [[EvilMatriarch Evil]] or [[MyBelovedSmother Overbearing]] Mothers high compared to {{Wicked Stepmother}}s since the scansion and meter of "mother" [[note]]Two beats, emphasis on the first[[/note]] and "stepmother" [[/note]]''Three'' [[note]]''Three'' beats, with a primary emphasis on the first and a secondary emphasis on the second.[[/note]] are not interchangeable. A WickedStepmother appears in different ballads than the Evil Matriarch.
9th Jul '17 2:01:04 PM Madrugada
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* StandardHeroReward: e.g. "The ''Golden Vanity''" (#286) [[spoiler: SUBVERTED TO THE MAX!!! The hero is told this is the reward, if he drills holes in the enemy man-o'-war, which he does (In a horribly poetic way: He let the water in, and it dazzled in their eyes, and he sunk them in the Low Lands Low.) He is then [[DidYouActuallyBelieve betrayed by the captain]] and is abandoned to drown in the ocean.]] StandardHeroReward be damned!

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* StandardHeroReward: e.g. Subverted in "The ''Golden Vanity''" (#286) [[spoiler: SUBVERTED TO THE MAX!!! (#286). The hero is told this is the reward, if he drills holes in the enemy man-o'-war, which he does (In a horribly poetic way: He let the water in, and it dazzled in their eyes, and he sunk them in the Low Lands Low.) He is then [[DidYouActuallyBelieve betrayed by the captain]] and is abandoned to drown in the ocean.]] StandardHeroReward be damned!



%%* TheCakeIsALie: See "The ''Golden Vanity''" example above.
* TheseQuestionsThree: In "The Devil's Nine Questions", a subtype of #1 "Riddles Wisely Expounded", the Devil challenges one or several human characters to answer nine (= three times three) riddles, threatening he will take to hell whoever cannot give the right answers. At least that is what he says: [[ArtifactTitle Many variants contain only eight riddles.]] (Sometimes explained as the ninth riddle being "Who is the questioner?", which is implicitly rather than explicitly answered.)

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%%* TheCakeIsALie: See "The ''Golden Vanity''" example above.
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* TheseQuestionsThree: In "The Devil's Nine Questions", a it's the subtype of #1 "Riddles Wisely Expounded", the Expounded". The Devil challenges one or several human characters to answer nine (= three times three) riddles, threatening he will take to hell whoever cannot give the right answers. At least that is what he says: [[ArtifactTitle Many variants contain only eight riddles.]] (Sometimes explained as the ninth riddle being "Who is the questioner?", which is implicitly rather than explicitly answered.)



* TogetherInDeath: "Fair Margaret and Sweet William" (#74); "Lord Lovel" (Child#75); some variants of "Barbara Allen" (#84).
** The living lover in "The Unquiet Grave" (#78) seems determined to [[DrivenToSuicide prematurely fulfill this trope]], but the ghost of their beloved always begs them to go and [[HerHeartWillGoOn live out the rest of their life instead]].

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* TogetherInDeath: "Fair Margaret and Sweet William" (#74); "Lord Lovel" (Child#75); some variants of "Barbara Allen" (#84).
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The living lover in "The Unquiet Grave" (#78) seems determined to [[DrivenToSuicide prematurely fulfill this trope]], but the ghost of their beloved always begs them to go and [[HerHeartWillGoOn live out the rest of their life instead]]. Also appears in "Fair Margaret and Sweet William" (#74); "Lord Lovel" (Child#75); some variants of "Barbara Allen" (#84).



%%* UngratefulBastard: The Captain in "The Golden Vanity" (#286).

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%%* * UngratefulBastard: The Captain in "The Golden Vanity" (#286).(#286). He abandons the cabin-boy who sank the enemy ship for him to drown in the ocean.



** In "Queen Elanor's Confession" (#156), Eleanor of Aquitaine confesses to, among other things, having lost her virginity to William Marshal. Given that Eleanor's eldest child, Marie of France, was two years older than Marshal, that is very unlikely.

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** In "Queen Elanor's Confession" (#156), Eleanor of Aquitaine confesses to, among other things, having lost her virginity to William Marshal. Given that Eleanor's eldest Eleanor had her first child, Marie of France, was two years older than Marshal, ''before'' Marshal was born, that is very unlikely.



** In "Child Owlet" (#291), Lady Erskine tries to seduce her husband's nephew, Child Owlet. He turns her down, so tells her husband that he tried to seduce her and turns commits suicide. In response, Child Owlet's uncle orders his execution.

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** In "Child Owlet" (#291), Lady Erskine tries to seduce her husband's nephew, Child Owlet. He turns her down, so she tells her husband that he tried to seduce her and turns then commits suicide. In response, Child Owlet's uncle orders his execution.



* AYearAndADay: In "The Unquiet Grave" (#78), the protagonist mourns on their dead lover's grave for this long.

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* AYearAndADay: In "The Unquiet Grave" (#78), it's perfectly fine for the protagonist mourns to mourn on their dead lover's grave for this long. Played with in that, when they keep it up past that time limit, the dead lover's ghost comes back to tell them to 'Sod off already, it's feckin' annoying.'
9th Jul '17 1:46:03 PM Madrugada
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Many of them are heavy on dialect, especially the Border Ballads, those collected on the English-Scottish border. Metrical considerations means that using standard English often requires a total rewrite. This also helps keep the number of [[EvilMatriarch Evil]] or [[MyBelovedSmother Overbearing]] Mothers high compared to WickedStepmothers since the scansion and meter of "mother" [[note]]Two beats, emphasis on he first[[/note]] and "stepmother" [[/note]]''Three'' beats, with a primary emphasis on the first and a secondary emphasis on the second.[[/note]] are not interchangeable. A WickedStepmother appears in different ballads than the Evil Matriarch.

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Many of them are heavy on dialect, especially the Border Ballads, those collected on the English-Scottish border. Metrical considerations means that using standard English often requires a total rewrite. This also helps keep the number of [[EvilMatriarch Evil]] or [[MyBelovedSmother Overbearing]] Mothers high compared to WickedStepmothers {{Wicked Stepmother}}s since the scansion and meter of "mother" [[note]]Two beats, emphasis on he the first[[/note]] and "stepmother" [[/note]]''Three'' beats, with a primary emphasis on the first and a secondary emphasis on the second.[[/note]] are not interchangeable. A WickedStepmother appears in different ballads than the Evil Matriarch.
9th Jul '17 1:45:25 PM Madrugada
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Many of them are heavy on dialect, especially the Border Ballads, those collected on the English-Scottish border. Metrical considerations means that using standard English often requires a total rewrite. This also helps keep the number of {{Evil Matriarch}}s high; unlike a FairyTale, you can not merely Bowdlerise her into a WickedStepmother, because the terms change and no longer fit the meter. A WickedStepmother appears in different ballads than the Evil Matriarch.

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Many of them are heavy on dialect, especially the Border Ballads, those collected on the English-Scottish border. Metrical considerations means that using standard English often requires a total rewrite. This also helps keep the number of {{Evil Matriarch}}s high; unlike [[EvilMatriarch Evil]] or [[MyBelovedSmother Overbearing]] Mothers high compared to WickedStepmothers since the scansion and meter of "mother" [[note]]Two beats, emphasis on he first[[/note]] and "stepmother" [[/note]]''Three'' beats, with a FairyTale, you can primary emphasis on the first and a secondary emphasis on the second.[[/note]] are not merely Bowdlerise her into a WickedStepmother, because the terms change and no longer fit the meter.interchangeable. A WickedStepmother appears in different ballads than the Evil Matriarch.
18th Jun '17 4:30:22 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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Many [[MurderBallad Murder Ballads]] are Child Ballads. RobinHood has so many that Child lumps them all together in their own volume.

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Many [[MurderBallad Murder Ballads]] are Child Ballads. RobinHood Myth/RobinHood has so many that Child lumps them all together in their own volume.
7th Apr '17 11:50:51 AM cordychase
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* KarmaHoudini: In some versions of "The Twa Sisters", the older sister gets their lover and all his land scot-free, leaving the miller who robbed the younger sister's corpse (or, in particularly dark iterations, pulled her out while she was still alive to take her gold ring and then threw her back) to take all the blame.



* YoungestChildWins: Sometimes played straight, sometimes subverted: in "The Twa Sisters" (#10), the elder ''kills'' the younger.
%%* YourCheatingHeart: Combines well with DeathBySex.

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* YoungestChildWins: Sometimes played straight, sometimes subverted: in "The Twa Sisters" (#10), the elder ''kills'' the younger.
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younger and gets the boy. (Although she may later get ratted out by a harp made of her sister's bones and executed, depending on which version she's in.)
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YourCheatingHeart: Combines well with DeathBySex.In some versions of "Twa Sisters", the problem isn't just that the man they both love goes for the younger one--it's that he courts them both at the same time.
23rd Feb '17 8:58:23 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: To EleanorOfAquitaine and William Marshal in "Queen Elanor's Confession" (#156). Whatever their faults (and there were many), they didn't have an affair with each other, kill Rosamund de Clifford, or plot to poison Henry II.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: To EleanorOfAquitaine UsefulNotes/EleanorOfAquitaine and William Marshal in "Queen Elanor's Confession" (#156). Whatever their faults (and there were many), they didn't have an affair with each other, kill Rosamund de Clifford, or plot to poison Henry II.
22nd Nov '16 6:06:38 PM nanshe
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** In some variants of "The Maid and the Palmer" (#21),the Maid's six dead children were fathered by [BrotherSisterIncest her brother]], [[CreepyUncle her uncle]] or [[KissingCousins cousin]], and [[ParentalIncest her own father]].

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** In some variants of "The Maid and the Palmer" (#21),the Maid's six dead children were fathered by [BrotherSisterIncest [[BrotherSisterIncest her brother]], [[CreepyUncle her uncle]] or [[KissingCousins cousin]], and [[ParentalIncest her own father]].
22nd Nov '16 6:05:20 PM nanshe
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* IncestIsRelative:
** In some variants of "The Maid and the Palmer" (#21),the Maid's six dead children were fathered by [BrotherSisterIncest her brother]], [[CreepyUncle her uncle]] or [[KissingCousins cousin]], and [[ParentalIncest her own father]].
** In "Brown Robyn's Confession" (#57), the protagonist confesses to having fathered two children on [[ParentalIncest his mother]] and five on [[BrotherSisterIncest his sister]].



* ParentalIncest: In "Brown Robyn's Confession" (#57), the protagonist confesses to having fathered two children on his mother and five on [[BrotherSisterIncest his sister]].
22nd Nov '16 5:57:54 PM nanshe
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* AttemptedRape: In "Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight" (#4), the knight tricks the protagonist into running off to him, only to reveal that he intends to rape and kill her. Fortunately, she kills him instead.

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* AttemptedRape: In "Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight" (#4), the knight tricks the protagonist into running off to with him, only to reveal that he intends to rape and kill her. Fortunately, she kills him instead.



* BeingEvilSucks: The bandit learns this the hard way "Bonnie Banks o'Fordie" (#14)

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* BeingEvilSucks: The bandit learns this the hard way in "Bonnie Banks o'Fordie" (#14)



** In "Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight" (#4), the Elf knight entices the protagonist to run away with him (though whether by means of flattery or magic depends on the version) and turns out to be TheBluebeard who intends her to rape and kill her, as he's done to numerous other women in the past. She outwits him, though, and kills himself instead.



** In "Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight" (#4), the Elf knight entices the protagonist to run away with him (though whether by means of flattery or magic depends on the version) and turns out to be TheBluebeard who intends her to kill her partially for her jewels and partially just ForTheEvulz.
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