History Literature / Chalion

1st Dec '16 8:52:37 PM Kazrak
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* OutGambitted: [[spoiler:Horseriver.]] He almost succeeded in his revenge on the Gods, except that his chosen shaman was [[spoiler:his heir as Hallowed King]], and severing Ingrey's link to Ijada (which he initially put in place) was what drew her and the five divine representatives to [[spoiler:Bloodfield/Holytree]].



** Ista's backstory is a painful subversion. She was [[spoiler:touched by the Daughter and became a saint, so she could learn what was necessary to break the royal curse. The attempt she, Ias, and dy Lutez made to break it ended in failure and dy Lutez's death]], and a lot of stuff went wrong from there. It could very well be she wasn't meant to "do something" in this case and was meant to be [[spoiler:the Daughter's messenger to the right person at the right time]], and so was always doomed to failure against the curse.

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** Ista's backstory is a painful subversion. She was [[spoiler:touched by the Daughter Mother and became a saint, so she could learn what was necessary to break the royal curse. The attempt she, Ias, and dy Lutez made to break it ended in failure and dy Lutez's death]], and a lot of stuff went wrong from there. It could very well be she wasn't meant to "do something" in this case and was meant to be [[spoiler:the Daughter's Gods' messenger to the right person at the right time]], and so was always doomed to failure against the curse.


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* XanatosSpeedChess: [[spoiler:Horseriver's]] plans tend toward this. He knows the Gods will take every opportunity to foil him, so he has plans to work around whatever impediment they throw at him. We see several of his backup plans, such as the stag in his stables.
13th Nov '16 8:56:42 AM AzureOwl
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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: To the Iberian peninsula in the late Reconquista, with the map flipped around so that the Moors (that is, the Roknari) are in the north rather than the south. The Weald is German[=/=]Germanic central Europe.

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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: The setting evoques Europe in the late Middle Ages and early Renaissance:
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To the Iberian peninsula in the late Reconquista, with the map flipped around so that the Moors (that is, the Roknari) are in the north rather than the south. south.
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The Weald is German[=/=]Germanic central Europe.Europe.
** Even though it hasn0t been visited on-screen, Darthaca corresponds to France.
** The mountainous and mercenary-exporting Cantons are the Switzerland of the setting.
** Present day Cedonia is the Byzantine Empire, while the Old Cedonian Empire represents the Roman Empire.
13th Nov '16 8:27:02 AM AzureOwl
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** ''Penric's Demon'' and ''Penric and the Shaman''
*** People expressing surprise when they learn that Penric has given his demon a name

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** ''Penric's Demon'' and Demon'', ''Penric and the Shaman''
Shaman'' and ''Penric's Mission''
*** People expressing surprise when they learn that Penric has given his demon a namename.
13th Nov '16 8:25:25 AM AzureOwl
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* ''Penric's Mission'' (novella, sequel to ''Penric and the Shaman'')
15th Oct '16 11:10:01 AM SorPepita
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--> "I had a real father. Arhys...had a dream."

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--> "I had a real father. Arhys... had a dream."
15th Oct '16 11:08:53 AM SorPepita
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* ThePlan: the gods can mostly only interfere in the world by nudging people, so they do a lot of these. [[spoiler:Horseriver does this as well in his attempts to spite them.]]
* PiratesWhoDontDoAnything: Jokol and his men are frequently subject to speculation that they are pirates. If they in fact are, they are the kind that go around singing, drinking and ... that's about it.

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* ThePlan: the The gods can mostly only interfere in the world by nudging people, so they do a lot of these. [[spoiler:Horseriver does this as well in his attempts to spite them.]]
* PiratesWhoDontDoAnything: Jokol and his men are frequently subject to speculation that they are pirates. If they in fact are, they are the kind that go around singing, drinking and ...and... that's about it.
15th Oct '16 11:06:33 AM SorPepita
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* OurDemonsAreDifferent: Demons answer to the Bastard, who is like the [[HufflepuffHouse House of Hufflepuff]] when it comes to taking up souls. He takes anyone not covered by the other four gods and is the patron of homosexuals, bastards, and all things out of season. In Chalion, it is acknowledged that demons are AlwaysChaoticEvil, but this mostly means that possession of (or by) a demon puts you under the temple's purview. The Roknari, one the other hand, consider the Bastard to be the [[SatanicArchetype the equivalent of Satan]], and the Quintarian religion heresy. They cut off the thumbs, tongue and genitalia of people thought to worship him.

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* OurDemonsAreDifferent: Demons answer to the Bastard, who is like the [[HufflepuffHouse House of Hufflepuff]] when it comes to taking up souls. He takes anyone not covered by the other four gods and is the patron of homosexuals, bastards, and all things out of season. In Chalion, it is acknowledged that demons are AlwaysChaoticEvil, but this mostly means that possession of (or by) a demon puts you under the temple's purview. The Roknari, one on the other hand, consider the Bastard to be the [[SatanicArchetype the equivalent of Satan]], and the Quintarian religion heresy. They cut off the thumbs, tongue and genitalia of people thought to worship him.
15th Oct '16 11:00:44 AM SorPepita
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* EvilChancellor: Martou dy Jironal, as a result of the curse. Roya Orico, knowing he was cursed to be a terrible ruler, handed the reins over to dy Jironal in hopes of circumventing his fate ... but the curse is smarter than that, and perverted dy Jironal's ambition into corruption, making Orico's decision a case of terrible misrule in itself.

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* EvilChancellor: Martou dy Jironal, as a result of the curse. Roya Orico, knowing he was cursed to be a terrible ruler, handed the reins over to dy Jironal in hopes of circumventing his fate ...fate... but the curse is smarter than that, and perverted dy Jironal's ambition into corruption, making Orico's decision a case of terrible misrule in itself.
26th Sep '16 9:26:33 AM Rday
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** Also the Hallow King, who's imminent death drives the plot of the plot of ''The Hallowed Hunt'', as [[spoiler: Earl Horseriver takes advantage of the brief interregnum before Prince Biast takes the crown, to take back the full power of the Weald and finally achieve a permanent death and dissolution.]]

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** Also the Hallow King, who's imminent death drives the plot of the plot of ''The Hallowed Hunt'', as [[spoiler: Earl Horseriver takes advantage of the brief interregnum before Prince Biast takes the crown, to take back the full power of the Weald and finally achieve a permanent death and dissolution.]]
26th Sep '16 5:39:21 AM Rday
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** To a lesser extent the Hallowed King's court in ''The Hallowed Hunt'', both due to him being on a his deathbed, with much intrigue about the votes for his successor, [[spoiler: mostly due to the machinations of Horseriver, who wants to delay the vote as long as he can to temporarily take back the Hallow King's power.]]

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** To a lesser extent the Hallowed King's court in ''The Hallowed Hunt'', both due to him being on a his deathbed, with much intrigue about the votes for his successor, [[spoiler: mostly due to the machinations of Horseriver, who wants to delay the vote as long as he can to temporarily take back the Hallow King's power.]]
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