History JerkassHasAPoint / SuperDimensionFortressMacross

''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' and its adaptation ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' have a tendency to feature unlikeable characters whose arguments make sense.

* Lynn Kaifun is the series' [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] for his near-irrational hatred of military, extreme pacifism even when it does more harm then good, and SoapboxSadie tendencies, and is often seen accusing the military of trying to extend the war and not understanding the situation they're in. While the soldiers on the SDF-1 hate the war just as he does, when it comes to the pre-Zentraedi Holocaust high command he's ''perfectly right'', to the point that the first officer privately agrees with him and levies one of his points to the Spacy's commander, ''her father''.

* Bodolza reacts to the peace talks by coming with his entire fleet and firing all guns at ''Earth'' first before even considering the deserters. Considering that ''Anime/MacrossSeven'' revealed the existence of the Protodeviln, extremely powerful aliens with immense brainwashing powers whose existance was hid to most Zentraedi but not their Main Fleet commanders, he had all reasons to think it was happening again and glassing the planet was the only way to nip it in the bud.

* Kamjin is a violent BloodKnight, often seeking battle with the humans even when it doesn't benefit the Zentraedi, and tries to sabotage the peace talks under the justification that the main fleet ''will'' come and kill them all, both Earthlings and Zentraedi, if they catch wind of that. Not only does Breetai agree with the latter point, but Kamjin is quickly proven right.

* Lynn Kaifun (Kyle in ''Robotech'') is the series' [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] for his near-irrational hatred of military, extreme pacifism even when it does more harm then good, and SoapboxSadie tendencies, and is often seen accusing the military of trying to extend the war and not understanding the situation they're in. While the soldiers on the SDF-1 hate the war just as he does, when it comes to the pre-Zentraedi Holocaust high command he's ''perfectly right'', to the point that the first officer privately agrees with him and levies one of his points to the Spacy's commander, ''her father''.
* Kamjin (Khyron in ''Robotech'') is a violent BloodKnight, often seeking battle with the humans even when it doesn't benefit the Zentraedi, and tries to sabotage the peace talks under the justification that the main fleet ''will'' come and kill them all, both Earthlings and Zentraedi, if they catch wind of that. Not only does Breetai agree with the latter point, but Kamjin is quickly proven right.
* In the "The Masters" saga of ''Robotech'', Colonel Fredericks of the Global Military Police, whose job is both of military intelligence and to enforce military discipline, often offers harsh criticism of Dana's actions as an officer. Thing is, Dana's squadron is more a [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]] than a military unit, in her first on-screen encounter with the GMP Dana ''toppled a security robot just because'', and Fredericks has shown some respect for Dana's battlefield prowess;
* Being effectively Fredericks' disciple, Nova Satori has her moments, especially when trying to bust Musica and Bowie when the first one comes to Earth. Thing is, Musica may be on Earth's side, but she's still a triumviroid ([[CloningBlues clone subject of the Robotech Masters]]), and the last time a subject of the Masters apparently joined the Earth defenders he was actually a brainwashed spy, and as a member of the GMP her job description includes hunting down spies ''and'' those who help them.
* Again in "The Masters", supreme commander Anatole Leonard of the Army of the Southern Cross often acts as a BloodKnight, advocating offensives against the technologically superior Robotech Masters in spite of the enemy's superior firepower and defences, rudely ordering the commander of the first counterattack wave to send in the new fighters against the Masters' motherships in spite of the failure of the better-armed large warships, and not caring that the Masters' troops could be actual human beings and not brainwashed micronized Zentraedi (and in fact he apparently refuses to even consider the idea, kicking Dana out of a meeting when she proposes it): aside from being ''less'' bloodthirsty than his superiors in the government (even {{facepalm}}ing at some of their demands), the Masters are unwilling to talk, and the only way to defeat them is through the desperate counterattacks he demands; the new fighters are apparently the ''only'' reason the first wave survives, as they are launched at the same time as the Masters' launch their corvettes for the final blow and prove a match for them; and with the Masters unwilling to talk the actual identity of their soldiers doesn't matter (and in fact believing them being basically biological robots is useful for the troops), and Dana in that meeting was being insubordinate to the point of calling him a fool (Dana is a ''lieutenant''. She was lucky to not get demoted to private);
** ''Robotech II: The Sentinels'' has another instance at the press conference before the launch of the Pioneer Mission and the Robotech Expeditionary Force with the heavily armed SDF-3 to try and reach a compromise with the Robotech Masters before they attack Earth. When Exedore explains that the Pioneer Mission includes so many heavily armed warships in spite of being a diplomatic reason is because they don't know how the Masters will react and there are no apparent threats to Earth anyway, Leonard jumps up and starts screaming apocalyptic predictions that ''come to pass exactly'': he's not so optimistic about the lack of an enemy threat, and as the watchers already know ''the Masters are already coming to Earth'' (also making the Pioneer mission useless), and that's without Tesla, TheDragon to the Invid Regent, suggesting to track down Zor's ship (the Regent refuses because he hates the Masters too much to abandon the attack on Tirol, but that could have been another threat to Earth), or the Regess deploying the Sensor Nebula to track down the Flower of Life (and that ''is'' another threat to Earth); he declares that "the departure of the SDF-3 and its weapon systems will make Earth hopelessly vulnerable to attack!", and the Masters' motherships have DeflectorShields that make them heavily resistant to anything less than the [[WaveMotionGun Reflex Cannons]] mounted ''exclusively'' on the SDF-3 and some of her escorts, and it's only the return of two waves of REF ships that give the Southern Cross the firepower to score a PyrrhicVictory; he shouts that in case of attack the Robotech Expeditionary Force will be at the other side of the galaxy , and when the Masters arrive the REF is in fact going in that direction. He's so right, and being a jerk about it, it's almost painful to watch...
* Sergeant Angelo Dante. Generally acting sarcastic, dismissing his commanding officer in the 15th Squadron for being a woman and scatterbrained, and when Zor Prime, a bioroid pilot of the Robotech Masters, is shot down and captured and, having lost his memory, is reassigned to the 15th Squadron in the hope he'll recover it and help the Earth armies, treats him as a spy. He's right on two points: his superior officer is the above-mentioned Dana Sterling, [[GeniusDitz a tactical genius with few peers, an incredible ditz outside battle]], and rather childish and spoiled; Zor Prime is a (unwitting and brainwashed) spy, who got his memory wiped and his bioroid shot down by friendly fire ''precisely'' to insert him as a spy, the Masters hoping he'd give the the location of Earth's reserve of Protoculture with the device that transmits everything he sees and hears to them (he succeeds, and as a bonus he accidentally gave forewarning about Earth's counteroffensives against the Masters);
* The twice-mentioned Dana Sterling. She's childish, spoiled and thoughtless, treats Zor Prime as her own personal property, and gets mad when Dante continues keeping an eye on him in spite of mounting evidence he's a spy. But when it comes to tactical decisions she's usually right (she's been even described as a tactical genius, and has proven it by taking on the suicide missions of downing a Masters' mothership and then perform a recon in arms and completing the first successfully with minimal losses and aborting the latter when it became effectively impossible and ''still'' bringing home some useful data plus [[GrandTheftPrototype a completely intact bioroid]] that had tried to cut her escape), and can be counted on providing useful advice when her subordinates have emotional issues;
* Octavia's rant when the Masters imprison her and Allegra for their sister Musica's defection may sound jerkish... Except at this point she's still loyal, even if her clone, raised to think as one with both Octavia and Allegra, has defected (even if this opens a whole other can of worms, what with the Masters' society rejecting individuality...);
* After overcoming the Masters' brainwashing and joining the Southern Cross for real, Zor Prime becomes this out of [[TheCynic cynicism]]. Musica feels bad for having effectively betrayed her people and sisters? He points out she's beyond forgiveness for betraying those who trusted her, just as ''he himself is'' (the fact he ignores how he had been brainwashed into doing it doesn't matter to him: he betrayed first his companions in the 15th Squadron and then the Masters). His declaring he should have stayed on the Masters' mothership that he blew up, never mind how disrespectful to the soldiers who fell in combat until then? He can't trust himself to not fall again to the Masters' conditioning, he's a security risk. Calling Nova and confirming her suspicions about Musica being a Tirolian triumviroid? Read again why he feels he should be dead, and add to it that his phone call is the only reason why Nova (who had almost worked out what was happening on her own) didn't arrest the whole squadron;
* As "The Masters" is full of such guys, it's only appropriate that the eponymous Robotech Masters join the group. In the latter part of the saga the Masters interrupt offensive operations against Earth to try and deal with the Invid Sensor Nebula before it can detect the presence of the Flower of Life and thus summon the Invid... And then often wonder ''why'' the Southern Cross starts launching continuous offensives against their fleet in spite of the Masters' technological superiority translating to superior firepower and robust DeflectorShields that always cause ''heavy'' losses to the Southern Cross. They also imprison Allegra and Octavia for Musica's defection... But as they are triumviroids, that is ''a trio of clones based on the same genetic matrix and raised to think and act as one'', it's only natural they expect the other two to try and defect at the first chance (as they in fact later tried to do) or otherwise do something dangerous now that their sister has started thinking on her own and isn't there to balance them anymore, and strangely generous on their part to not just execute them on the spot;
* During the Battle of Reflex Point, the Invid Regess points at the Robotech Expeditionary Force's all-out offensive trying to reconquer Earth, even having weapons of mass destruction ready in case they lose, as proof that HumansAreBastards. Sure, she may not know just what the Invid Regent did on Tirol, but considering that the Invid occupation of Earth translated to the conquerors not only letting the Humans do as they wished as long as they didn't try to oppose them not tried to break the tight regulations on Protoculture (that, incidentally, is the fuel for the mechas and guns that can actually pose a danger to the Invid) but also ''repairing Earth's ecosystem after the Zentraedi's bombardment brought it on the brink of collapse'' it's easy to see why she had such a low opinion of the REF. [[spoiler: That and she had recognized the REF new equipment as coming from the Haydonites, meaning their ancient enemy was manipulating the Humans into trying to do the dirty work for them...]]
** In ''The Sentinels'', every scene involving the Regess, be it her recorded voice or her in person, has her insulting the Regent and his crusade against the Tirolian race, detailing ''why'' she's insulting him. Every single insult and their justification is spot-on.
* To complete the list, we have the Invid Regent. In the one ''Sentinels'' scene in which he appears with his wife, he quickly counters her later tirade of insults by pointing out that ''she'' is responsible for their situation in the first place, having gotten herself seduced by Zor into giving him the secrets of Protoculture, and that the supposed evolution she's gone through since then looks suspiciously like an imitation of the [[HumanAliens humanlike Tirolians]]. Notable because not only did the Regess not counter either of his points, but on Earth (long after she got fed up with him enough to dump him) she tacitly acknowledged the second by ''researching a better form into which transmutate herself and the Invid'' (the fact the research ultimately indicated the Human form as the best one may or may not be a coincidence).