History IdiotBall / LiveActionTV

18th Apr '18 8:48:46 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''{{Spooks}}'': It was sometimes held by [[spoiler:Adam]]. Dies while holding it because he does a handbrake turn in a bomb-rigged car and then parks it instead of jumping out and letting it run for another twenty/thirty yards.

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* ''{{Spooks}}'': ''Series/{{Spooks}}'': It was sometimes held by [[spoiler:Adam]]. Dies while holding it because he does a handbrake turn in a bomb-rigged car and then parks it instead of jumping out and letting it run for another twenty/thirty yards.
11th Mar '18 9:55:15 AM gb00393
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** Rhaegar Targaryen clung to it for dear life with Lyanna Stark. Had he told Aerys, Robert Baratheon, Rickard Stark, or anyone else, then his elopement would not have been mistaken for a kidnapping. Of course, falling in love with Lyanna in the first place was a stupid idea. Breaking the news to the realm would doubtlessly have had political consequences down the line, but not telling anyone at all is what caused the CivilWar that claimed the lives of him, his mother, his father, two of his children, and ultimately both his wives.
14th Feb '18 1:48:41 AM TrayvonMartyr
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*** Which is ironic given how often Friends used the exact same Idiot Ball of misunderstandings. Were the writers attempting to mock their own show, or are they too stupid to realize those lines could be applied to their show as well?
22nd Jan '18 4:54:48 AM Cryoclaste
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* ''{{Degrassi}}'': Alli is the reigning champion Idiot Ball holder. As Drew accurately put it, for a genius, she's not very smart. Forget all the many ways she screwed up her relationships with Johnny and Drew by doing the exact opposite of what they asked her to do, her crowning moment was when she cheated a bunch of poker players by counting cards and then proceeded to say out loud IN FRONT OF THEM that she just cheated them out of their money by counting cards!

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* ''{{Degrassi}}'': ''Series/{{Degrassi}}'': Alli is the reigning champion Idiot Ball holder. As Drew accurately put it, for a genius, she's not very smart. Forget all the many ways she screwed up her relationships with Johnny and Drew by doing the exact opposite of what they asked her to do, her crowning moment was when she cheated a bunch of poker players by counting cards and then proceeded to say out loud IN FRONT OF THEM that she just cheated them out of their money by counting cards!
22nd Dec '17 4:43:18 PM thatsnumberwang
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** ''Emancipation'' where in the interests of ''diplomacy'' they take away all of Carter's weapons and make her dress in a revealing and constricting outfit in a land where women are threatened with death if they show their face or speak in public, and are routinely sold off to rival tribes as sex slaves. And yes, the latter is exactly what happens to Carter thanks to this decision. This is one that definitely straddles the line between Idiot Ball and IdiotPlot as many fans have wondered over the years why they didn't just send her back to the Stargate the moment the locals actively tried to kill her.

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** ''Emancipation'' ''Emancipation,'' where in the interests of ''diplomacy'' they take away all of Carter's weapons and make her dress in a revealing and constricting outfit in a land where women are threatened with death if they show their face or speak in public, and are routinely sold off to rival tribes as sex slaves. And yes, the latter is exactly what happens to Carter thanks to this decision. This is one that definitely straddles the line between Idiot Ball and IdiotPlot as many fans have wondered over the years why they didn't just send her back to the Stargate the moment the locals actively tried to kill her.
22nd Dec '17 4:42:18 PM thatsnumberwang
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** ''Emancipation'' where in the interests of ''diplomacy'' they take away all of Carter's weapons and make her dress in a revealing and constricting outfit in a land where women are threatened with death if they show their face or speak in public, and are routinely sold off to rival tribes as sex slaves. And yes, the latter is exactly what happens to Carter thanks to this decision. This is one that definitely straddles the line between Idiot Ball and IdiotPlot as many fans have wondered over the years why they didn't just send her back to the Stargate the moment the locals actively tried to kill her.
22nd Dec '17 3:42:16 PM thatsnumberwang
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* ''Series/RedDwarf''
** The thing to remember about this show is that the writers freely admit that it runs on RuleOfFunny first and everything else second. If they can get a laugh out of you, then nothing else matters. Still... fans tend to agree that putting Second Technician Arnold Rimmer (a low-ranked and neurotic vending machine repairman) in charge of repairing the ship's broken and highly radioactive drive plate instead of one of the actual qualified engineers to be an act of monumental stupidity on behalf of both the writers and that of Captain Hollister. This got so infamous that several plot points tried to explain the decision over the years. Season 4's episode ''Justice'' has this not only lampshaded by Kryten, but is actually used in Rimmer's defence when he is put on trial for second degree murder over the incident. Season 8 also makes it clear that Captain Hollister was in fact a complete fraud who bribed his way into the position rather than getting there on his own merit, once again shifting the idiot ball into Hollister's hands rather than Rimmer's.
24th Nov '17 10:00:33 AM corbenik777
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''{{Series/The Punisher}}'':
**Curts' stupidity drives the Lewis sub-plot through the show. First, he refuses to ban the RightWing Militia Fanatic from the support group. Throughout the show, it is abundantly clear that the militia fanatic is not there to support others or to get better, but to spout racist diatribes (at the primarily black group) and to recruit any white people that happen to drop by into his conspiracy fantasy land. Though he admirably wants to make the group a welcoming place for all viewpoints, as the leader of the group, it is on him to remove people who are openly there to drag others off the road to recovery.
***Curtis gets it again when he finds Lewis' hideout. Instead of calling police, the Feds, or Frank, he goes into the hideout alone, gets ambushed while snooping, and gets strapped to a bomb. And instead of telling the police this, he lets them assume Frank is working with Lewis.
11th Nov '17 1:37:28 PM LaughingGiraffe
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* ''Series/DowntonAbbey'': Throughout one episode, Daisy keeps repeating some variation on, "Hey, the oven's not working, I think the chimney's blocked." Mrs. Patmore keeps telling her not to be silly or make excuses, instead of ''looking at the goddamn oven'' and seeing that it is, indeed, blocked. The result is that the meal prepared specially for the purposes of impressing Grandma Levinson is ruined.

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* ''Series/DowntonAbbey'': Throughout one episode, Daisy keeps repeating some variation on, "Hey, the oven's not working, I think the chimney's blocked." Bear in mind that at this stage, Daisy has been the kitchen maid for years and would know how the oven works. Mrs. Patmore keeps telling her not to be silly or make excuses, instead of ''looking at the goddamn oven'' and seeing that it is, indeed, blocked. The result is that the meal prepared specially for the purposes of impressing Grandma Levinson is ruined.
10th Nov '17 4:53:59 AM RedScharlach
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* ''Series/TheBradyBunch''in the episode [[Recap/TheBradyBunchS1E13IsThereADoctorInTheHouse "Is There a Doctor in the House?"]] Cindy complains about her mother bringing her peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, a has to be reminded that their her favorite, to which she acknowledges she keeps forgetting. The scene made Susan Olsen furious because it makes Cindy seem like a complete doofus

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* ''Series/TheBradyBunch''in ''Series/TheBradyBunch'': In the episode [[Recap/TheBradyBunchS1E13IsThereADoctorInTheHouse "Is There a Doctor in the House?"]] House?"]], Cindy complains about her mother bringing her peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, a and has to be reminded that their they're her favorite, to which she acknowledges replies that she keeps forgetting. The scene made Susan Olsen furious because it makes Cindy seem like a complete doofusdoofus.



* ''Series/{{Defiance}}'': Tommy, do not hand a loaded gun to a paraoid woman suffering from hallucinations that you're there to protect.

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* ''Series/{{Defiance}}'': Tommy, do not hand a loaded gun to a paraoid paranoid woman suffering from hallucinations that you're there to protect.



** "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E3TheIceWarriors The Ice Warriors]]" generates most of its plot tension by the fact that [[PointyHairedBoss Leader]] Clent is an ObstructiveBureaucrat completely dependent on his computer to tell him what to do, and refusing to either take the initiative or allow anyone else to. Multiple times the other scientists get a plan in motion only to have it scuppered by Clent's insistence on going through the computer. Dealt with realistically in that everyone else on the base hates him for this, and one has even left civilisation to become a scavenger due to how unbearable he is to work with. Also, bosses like that are TruthInTelevision.

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** "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E3TheIceWarriors The Ice Warriors]]" generates most of its plot tension by the fact that [[PointyHairedBoss Leader]] Clent is an ObstructiveBureaucrat completely dependent on his computer to tell him what to do, and refusing to either take the initiative or allow anyone else to. Multiple times the other scientists get a plan in motion only to have it scuppered by Clent's insistence on going through the computer. Dealt with realistically in that everyone else on the base hates him for this, and one person has even left civilisation to become a scavenger due to how unbearable he is to work with. Also, bosses like that are TruthInTelevision.



*** The Doctor's not too clever there, either. Why would he take the girl with daddy issues to the exact point where her father died? Conversely, in his defense, he did warn her not to fuck up history when he did consent to take her there and gave her explicit instructions on what to do to avoid that, but the point that he grossly underestimated her emotional issues still stands.

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*** The Doctor's not too clever there, either. Why would he take the girl with daddy issues to the exact point where her father died? Conversely, in his defense, he did warn her not to fuck up history when he did consent consented to take her there and gave her explicit instructions on what to do to avoid that, but the point that he grossly underestimated her emotional issues still stands.



** "[[Recap/DoctorWho2014CSLastChristmas Last Christmas]]" has a part where Clara is concerned about an apparently empty room, calls "Doctor?" and then heads into the room without pausing. Of course she gets attacked. This is a standard companion manoeuvre and wouldn't be notable had "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E8ColdWar Cold War]]" not gone out of its way to establish that Clara is the companion who ''doesn't'' wander off. Possibly forgiven however, since the episode ultimately reveals that much of what we see is a [[spoiler: shared dream]].
*** However, less forgivable is the small ball Clara tosses around in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E4BeforeTheFlood Before the Flood]]" when she communicates with the Doctor via Facetime and proceeds to describe the actions of his apparent [[spoiler: ghost]], even though she's using a ''video phone'' and could simply turn the camera towards the entity and let the Doctor process information a lot quicker.

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** "[[Recap/DoctorWho2014CSLastChristmas Last Christmas]]" has a part where Clara is concerned about an apparently empty room, calls "Doctor?" and then heads into the room without pausing. Of course she gets attacked. This is a standard companion manoeuvre and wouldn't be notable had "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E8ColdWar Cold War]]" not gone out of its way to establish that Clara is the companion who ''doesn't'' wander off. Possibly forgiven however, since the episode ultimately reveals that much of what we see is a [[spoiler: shared [[spoiler:shared dream]].
*** However, less forgivable is the small ball Clara tosses around in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E4BeforeTheFlood Before the Flood]]" when she communicates with the Doctor via Facetime and proceeds to describe the actions of his apparent [[spoiler: ghost]], [[spoiler:ghost]], even though she's using a ''video phone'' and could simply turn the camera towards the entity and let the Doctor process information a lot quicker.



*** The Doctor's immediate reaction to the situation [[spoiler: is to blow everything up]].
*** The Doctor then wilfully keeps other characters in the dark when one might have been able to say "Oh yeah, the master override for the bots is right here" (or alternatively, the designers for not having such a control).
* ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'': Has the entire staff hold this to create a certain plot element in the second season. In the first season near the end Alpha destroys the backup of Caroline, Echo's original persona and steals the main copy of her, which is retrieved. In season two they opt to bring her back, only to find the main copy is now missing. So that leaves them with only the smashed backup that needs to be reassembled. Creates a plot element there, until you wonder why they didn't make yet another backup of the original copy with the backup effectively destroyed. Keep in mind that there is a timespan of approximately a year between these two events.

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*** The Doctor's immediate reaction to the situation [[spoiler: is [[spoiler:is to blow everything up]].
*** The Doctor then wilfully keeps other characters in the dark when one might have been able to say "Oh yeah, the master override for the bots is right here" (or alternatively, that the designers for not having bots have no such a control).
* ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'': Has the entire staff hold this to create a certain plot element in the second season. In the first season near the end Alpha destroys the backup of Caroline, Echo's original persona persona, and steals the main copy of her, which is retrieved. In season two they opt to bring her back, only to find the main copy is now missing. So that leaves them with only the smashed backup that needs to be reassembled. Creates a plot element there, until you wonder why they didn't make yet another backup of the original copy with the backup effectively destroyed. Keep in mind that there is a timespan of approximately a year between these two events.



* ''Series/{{Fringe}}'': Peter is meant to be a genius, with an insanely high IQ and perception [[spoiler: enough to realize that he's from another universe. He's also known Olivia for over 2 years now.]] At the end of last season, he and Olivia finally admitted their feelings, to some extent anyway. [[spoiler: Then the two Olivias, the one from the parallel world and the one from our world, switched, and he somehow hasn't noticed even though a) he's noticed how different she is, b) he's surrounded by cases of impostors from Over There, and c) he's spending so much time with her that they've slept together.]] Even Peter's actor admits he's gotten the Idiot Ball this season. When a reckoning came around, [[spoiler:Olivia chewed him out for it, and their relationship was somewhat rocky thereafter, until they finally go together.]]

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* ''Series/{{Fringe}}'': Peter is meant to be a genius, with an insanely high IQ and perception [[spoiler: enough [[spoiler:enough to realize that he's from another universe. He's also known Olivia for over 2 years now.]] At the end of last one season, he and Olivia finally admitted their feelings, to some extent anyway. [[spoiler: Then [[spoiler:Then the two Olivias, the one from the parallel world and the one from our world, switched, and he somehow hasn't noticed even though a) he's noticed how different she is, b) he's surrounded by cases of impostors from Over There, and c) he's spending so much time with her that they've slept together.]] Even Peter's actor admits he's gotten he got the Idiot Ball this that season. When a reckoning came around, [[spoiler:Olivia chewed him out for it, and their relationship was somewhat rocky thereafter, until they finally go together.]]



** There was also the part in volume two where Peter teams up with Adam Monroe to destroy a deadly virus that can kill 90%+ of the world's population. Of course, Adam is really planning on [[spoiler: releasing the virus.]] Several people along the way, including Hiro, tell Peter than Adam is evil and Peter refuses to listen until Nathan intervenes. Now, the ''justification'' is that Peter owes Nathan's life to Adam and has become TheDragon. But Peter has the ability to read minds, and could have easily read Adam's mind to confirm if he was a bad guy or not? Peter even uses his mind-reading on a woman named Victoria while she's trying to tell Peter that Adam is bad news so it's not like the writers forgot Peter had this ability.

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** There was also the part in volume two where Peter teams up with Adam Monroe to destroy a deadly virus that can kill 90%+ of the world's population. Of course, Adam is really planning on [[spoiler: releasing [[spoiler:releasing the virus.]] Several people along the way, including Hiro, tell Peter than Adam is evil and Peter refuses to listen until Nathan intervenes. Now, the ''justification'' is that Peter owes Nathan's life to Adam and has become TheDragon. But Peter has the ability to read minds, and could have easily read Adam's mind to confirm if he was a bad guy or not? not. Peter even uses his mind-reading on a woman named Victoria while she's trying to tell Peter that Adam is bad news so it's not like the writers forgot Peter had this ability.



*** There's also no way [[spoiler:your female boss would have any problem with the fact that one of your first official acts as a manager was to open the hospital up for a crippliing sexual harassment lawsuit by telling a female subordinate that you're firing her specifically so she'll have sex with you.]]

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*** There's also no way [[spoiler:your female boss would have any problem with the fact that one of your first official acts as a manager was to open the hospital up for a crippliing crippling sexual harassment lawsuit by telling a female subordinate that you're firing her specifically so she'll have sex with you.]]



** Jerome and Joy both get one, when they are kept in the gatehouse, along with Patricia and Alfie, to do an 'extra credit' project for their teacher, based around an eclipse coming up. Patricia and Alfie are aware that it's really [[spoiler:ceremony to awaken Robert Frobisher-Smythe.]] Jerome and Joy, however, refuse to believe them. This wouldn't be so bad... except Jerome and Joy both dealt with the mysteries in both of the past two seasons. Heck, Joy had even been part of Sibuna in the beginning of that very season, and Patricia and Alfie are their best friends. Neither of them had any reason not to believe Patricia and Alfie.

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** Jerome and Joy both get one, when they are kept in the gatehouse, along with Patricia and Alfie, to do an 'extra credit' project for their teacher, based around an eclipse coming up. Patricia and Alfie are aware that it's really [[spoiler:ceremony [[spoiler:a ceremony to awaken Robert Frobisher-Smythe.]] Jerome and Joy, however, refuse to believe them. This wouldn't be so bad... except Jerome and Joy both dealt with the mysteries in both of the past two seasons. Heck, Joy had even been part of Sibuna in the beginning of that very season, and Patricia and Alfie are their best friends. Neither of them had any reason not to believe Patricia and Alfie.



* ''Series/KamenRiderBlade'': The final storyline dealt with trying to stop the Joker from winning the Battle Fight and causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt [[spoiler:the problem being they don't want to seal him because he's become a human and friend. [[TheLancer Tachibana]] suggests unsealing the Human Undead and then sealing the other two, but no one wants to seal Joker still, leading to him being the winner and Blade having to turn into another Joker to TakeAThirdOption and save both. Alright, fair enough. Except for the fact Kamen Rider Leangle has the power to unseal Undead and they've got the Tarantula Undead, whose a very nice guy who had no intent of doing anything wrong and they spent a storyline trying to ''prevent'' from being sealed. If they'd just unsealed him before sealing the Catagory King of Diamonds Undead, then the entire final storyline wouldn't have happened in the first place! Leangle even attempts this ''after'' Joker wins but the Undead can no longer be unsealed by then, but nothing was stopping him before!]]

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* ''Series/KamenRiderBlade'': The final storyline dealt with trying to stop the Joker from winning the Battle Fight and causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt [[spoiler:the problem being they don't want to seal him because he's become a human and friend. [[TheLancer Tachibana]] suggests unsealing the Human Undead and then sealing the other two, but no one wants to seal Joker still, leading to him being the winner and Blade having to turn into another Joker to TakeAThirdOption and save both. Alright, fair enough. Except for the fact Kamen Rider Leangle has the power to unseal Undead and they've got the Tarantula Undead, whose a very nice guy who had no intent of doing anything wrong and they spent a storyline trying to ''prevent'' from being sealed. If they'd just unsealed him before sealing the Catagory Category King of Diamonds Undead, then the entire final storyline wouldn't have happened in the first place! Leangle even attempts this ''after'' Joker wins but the Undead can no longer be unsealed by then, but nothing was stopping him before!]]



** While it does have adverse consequences, this actually lines up with Robin's wisdom and character. They had just been unjustly accused of killing a nun and a child (and targeting the Sheriff) and were dealing with a huge PR problem because of it. This made it a matter of ego and necessity. It was also noble, given the Sheriff tended to assume anyone in Robin's remote vicinity was part of his gang and immediately sentence them to death. Also, Robin was never shown giving the tags to the men who were captured and killed for wearing them four episodes later. It is much more likely that [[spoiler: Alan-a-Dale's brother and his band of thieves stole them along with the clothes, money, and horses, since the scene immediately following their betrayal is the first time you see them proudly wearing the tags.]] Robin specifically [[spoiler: withheld them earlier, explaining they would need to be earned,]] since it was a matter of not only his reputation, but their safety.

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** While it does have adverse consequences, this actually lines up with Robin's wisdom and character. They had just been unjustly accused of killing a nun and a child (and targeting the Sheriff) and were dealing with a huge PR problem because of it. This made it a matter of ego and necessity. It was also noble, given the Sheriff tended to assume anyone in Robin's remote vicinity was part of his gang and immediately sentence them to death. Also, Robin was never shown giving the tags to the men who were captured and killed for wearing them four episodes later. It is much more likely that [[spoiler: Alan-a-Dale's [[spoiler:Alan-a-Dale's brother and his band of thieves stole them along with the clothes, money, and horses, since the scene immediately following their betrayal is the first time you see them proudly wearing the tags.]] Robin specifically [[spoiler: withheld them earlier, explaining they would need to be earned,]] since it was a matter of not only his reputation, but their safety.



* ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}'': Seems to be relying upon this for its plots more and more. You would think that agents who have been tracking down mystical artifacts for three years, seeing everything from earth-tremour causing walking sticks, to density manipulating spandex underwear, to a machine that can bronze people in such away that can be revived with no problems, that whenever shit doesn't make sense, they'd realize it's an artifact that caused and start trying to think of something that could do it, or looking on the computers. What does Pete do? Immediately thinks it's some wicked plot by the baddie du jour, rather than yet another artifact mishap which he seems to attract like moths to an open flame.

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* ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}'': Seems to be relying upon this for its plots more and more. You would think that agents who have been tracking down mystical artifacts for three years, seeing everything from earth-tremour causing earth-tremor-causing walking sticks, to density manipulating density-manipulating spandex underwear, to a machine that can bronze people in such away a way that they can be revived with no problems, that whenever shit doesn't make sense, they'd realize it's an artifact that caused and start trying to think of something that could do it, or looking on the computers. What does Pete do? Immediately thinks it's some wicked plot by the baddie du jour, rather than yet another artifact mishap which he seems to attract like moths to an open flame.
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