History IdiotBall / ComicBooks

24th Jan '18 8:43:44 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* [[ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse Uncle Scrooge]] is usually portrayed as one of the smartest people in Duckburg, but there are two recurring situations where he tend to behave incredibly stupid: He is usually unable to see through the Beagle Boys' {{Paper Thin Disguise}}s, and he never has the common sense to be suspicious whenever he's offered something for free. In one decades-old story, both these idiot ball traits were combined: Scrooge needed a new butler, so one of the Beagle Boys applied for the position wearing a PaperThinDisguise and offering to pay Scrooge for the privilege of being his butler. It worked.

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* [[ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse ''ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse'': Uncle Scrooge]] Scrooge is usually portrayed as one of the smartest people in Duckburg, but there are two recurring situations where he tend to behave incredibly stupid: He is usually unable to see through the Beagle Boys' {{Paper Thin Disguise}}s, and he never has the common sense to be suspicious whenever he's offered something for free. In one decades-old story, both these idiot ball traits were combined: Scrooge needed a new butler, so one of the Beagle Boys applied for the position wearing a PaperThinDisguise and offering to pay Scrooge for the privilege of being his butler. It worked.



* [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]], ever since Odin died, has made some very stupid decisions. He became king and every decision he has made has led Asgard from bad to worse. First, there was the Reigning and trusting Loki, but this can be excused by having part of him split off. Since his return he placed the Asgardians on Earth without giving them guidance on how to interact with it, flew off to have adventures avoiding his kingly duties, did not point out his killing of his grand-father Bor was self-defense and he had no way to recognize him since Bor had been thought dead for thousands of years, using up the last of the omnipotent Odinpower to revive Sif instead of restoring said power leaving Asgard vulnerable, acting surprised when Osborn attacked during SIEGE, and now somehow moving the city of Asgard to Earth is the equivalent to moving the dimension so the entire cosmos is out of whack letting in interdimensional invaders. Balder has had his fair share too by not getting informed about what Doom was all about, not expecting retaliation for SIEGE, and exiling Thor in the first place. Oh, both also decided it was a good idea to once again trust Loki despite suspecting him being up to something and with the whole trying to kill them both and rule Asgard for the past thousand years. To be fair Balder has realized he has been an idiot and called himself out on it.
** Brash thinking is exactly what brought Thor on Earth first time: cultivating humanity cured him of his massive ego (the "Reigning" Thor, devoid of his human side, reverted quickly to a massive jerk, hinted to be no more worthy of Mjollnir until TheReasonYouSuckSpeech), but still may not be enough to turn Thor into a leader. Odin is a leader, Thor is a warrior. The two things rarely come into the same being.
** Lampshaded during ''ComicBook/FearItself'': [[spoiler: Odin himself chides Thor's heroic optimism in thinking he could save Earth and Asgard by simply charging at the Serpent and punching him really hard, but admires his selflessness and bravery, deciding to keep putting Asgard first anyways, but letting Thor know how proud he is]].

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* [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]], ever since Odin died, has made ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'': While Thor is often characterized as more of a warrior than a leader, some very stupid decisions. He became king and every decision he has made has led Asgard from bad to worse. First, there was the Reigning and trusting Loki, but this can be excused by having part of him split off. Since his return actions don't follow his established character.
** After returning to Asgard,
he placed the Asgardians on Earth without giving them guidance on how to interact with it, flew off to have adventures avoiding and avoided his kingly duties, did not point out his killing of his grand-father Bor was self-defense and he had no way to recognize him since Bor had been thought dead for thousands of years, using up the last of the omnipotent Odinpower to revive Sif instead of restoring said power leaving Asgard vulnerable, acting surprised when Osborn attacked during SIEGE, and now somehow moving the city of Asgard to Earth is the equivalent to moving the dimension so the entire cosmos is out of whack letting in interdimensional invaders. Balder has had his fair share too by not getting informed about what Doom was all about, not expecting retaliation for SIEGE, and exiling Thor in the first place. Oh, both also decided it was a good idea to once again trust Loki despite suspecting him being up to something and with the whole trying to kill them both and rule Asgard for the past thousand years. To be fair Balder has realized he has been an idiot and called himself out on it.duties.
** Brash thinking is exactly what brought Thor on Earth first time: cultivating humanity cured him He did not point out his killing of his massive ego (the "Reigning" Thor, devoid grand-father Bor was self-defense and he had no way to recognize him since Bor had been thought dead for thousands of his human side, reverted quickly to a massive jerk, hinted to be no more worthy of Mjollnir until TheReasonYouSuckSpeech), but still may not be enough to turn Thor into a leader. Odin is a leader, Thor is a warrior. The two things rarely come into the same being.
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** Lampshaded He acts surprised when Osborn attacks during ''ComicBook/FearItself'': [[spoiler: Odin himself chides Thor's heroic optimism in thinking he could save Earth SIEGE, and now somehow moving the city of Asgard by simply charging at to Earth is the Serpent and punching him really hard, but admires his selflessness and bravery, deciding equivalent to keep putting Asgard first anyways, but moving the dimension so the entire cosmos is out of whack letting in interdimensional invaders.
** Balder does not get informed about what Doom was all about, not expecting retaliation for SIEGE, and exiling
Thor know how proud in the first place.
** Thor and Balder decide it's a good idea to once again trust Loki despite suspecting him being up to something and with the whole trying to kill them both and rule Asgard for the past thousand years. Balder even points out that
he is]].was an idiot after the fact.
24th Jan '18 8:35:57 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* The kids of ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' have been playing hot potato with the IdiotBall since issue #1.
** One of the more glaring examples: #8 emphasizes that due to her TrainingFromHell, ComicBook/{{X 23}} is constantly [[SherlockScan studying her surroundings]] and [[AwesomenessByAnalysis determining the best way to kill everyone around her]]. So of course, [[spoiler: in #10 she [[LeeroyJenkins blindly charges into a fight with Apex]], who has control of a freaking ''Sentinel''. After having her ass kicked as quickly as one would expect, she then hands the ball off to Apex herself, who completely forgets about Laura's HealingFactor and fails to finish her off when she had the chance. This despite Laura arguably being the most dangerous of the kids ''in'' Murder World, and certainly one of the best-equipped and trained to survive in it.]]

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* The kids of ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' have been playing hot potato with the IdiotBall since issue #1.
** One of the more glaring examples:
''ComicBook/AvengersArena'': #8 emphasizes that due to her TrainingFromHell, ComicBook/{{X 23}} is constantly [[SherlockScan studying her surroundings]] and [[AwesomenessByAnalysis determining the best way to kill everyone around her]]. So of course, [[spoiler: in #10 she [[LeeroyJenkins blindly charges into a fight with Apex]], who has control of a freaking ''Sentinel''. After having her ass kicked as quickly as one would expect, she then hands the ball off to Apex herself, who completely forgets about Laura's HealingFactor and fails to finish her off when she had the chance. This despite Laura arguably being the most dangerous of the kids ''in'' Murder World, and certainly one of the best-equipped and trained to survive in it.]]
24th Jan '18 8:31:52 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''ComicBook/{{DMZ}}'': On a day when American soldiers are rampaging through the DMZ, Matty identifies an area where some soldiers might be and gives his forces an order to kill "bad guys" at that location. The leader of his troops, a moral and veteran ex-Marine who knows Matty well, interprets that order as slaughtering everyone in a wedding party he finds at that location. No one explains how or why the troops decide that Matty's intended "bad guy" targets are a family of civilians. The scene is obviously based on the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukaradeeb_wedding_party_massacre Mukaradeeb wedding party massacre]], which was caused by American soldiers mistaking the location as a safe house for insurgents. In the ''DMZ'' version, however, the troops know that they should be fighting uniformed soldiers.
24th Jan '18 8:19:23 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* Actually, the ordinary citizens and government officials in both the Marvel and DC universes, despite knowing they coexist with very powerful individuals who are capable of inflicting a ''tremendous'' amount of damage if you piss them off or make them defend themselves, just can't seem to resist picking up the Idiot Ball. The short, quiet little guy with the weird haircut and the mutton-chop whiskers, sitting all by himself in the bar and quietly drinking a beer? Maybe you and your buddies trying to pick a fight with him ''just isn't a good idea.'' Instead of sending a entire armored division with both air and infantry support after the Hulk, as well as spending a large chunk of your annual budget, maybe you should do what the Hulk's been telling you to do for years and just ''leave him alone.'' The cute little girl in pigtails, sitting all by herself at a bus stop in the middle of the night, with just a little puppy for company? Maybe she's a 1,000 year old sorceress traveling incognito, and the little puppy is actually her familiar, who will transform himself into a eight foot tall whirlwind of fangs and claws to protect her. Therefore, trying to sweet-talk her into getting into your car ''might be the last thing you ever do.'' The man walking out all by himself in the middle of the night, who shows absolutely no trace of fear when you and your gang try to mug him? He might be a vigilante carrying enough firepower under his BadAssLongCoat to both start and end a war. The unshaven, filthy homeless man riding a subway in the middle of the night? Trying to douse him in lighter fluid and set him on fire might not work out the way you think, especially if he's bonded to a murderous symbiote that gives him all the powers of certain arachnid-based superhero but none of the self-restraint. There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of people who just won't learn.
24th Jan '18 8:18:38 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* The ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' sees Peter Parker doing the [[AtlasPose Atlas gig]] with an Idiot Ball of truly gargantuan proportions. Making a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with the closest analogue to a devil Marvel possesses]] to save the life of his already elderly aunt, at the expense of not only his current marriage, but the entire history ''of'' that marriage? Quite possibly the first example of [[StuffedInTheFridge stuffing someone in the fridge]] but leaving them alive to taunt the audience. This is even worse when you consider the number of readily available contacts the man had with spells, technology, and/or mutant powers that would put her together as good as or even '''better''' than new with minimal effort.
** Parker supposedly went to those contacts, but it was shown that all of those people couldn't help him. That means guys who could take a left arm, brain, and half a heart and ''[[FromASingleCell rebuild a person from those pieces]]'' couldn't heal a gunshot wound. [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]], a man without any real medical knowledge, managed to build a super pacemaker [[MemeticMutation IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!]], but there was no one who could take care of a simple gunshot wound. This wasn't an idiot ball, this was a galactic-scale IdiotPlot. It was stated (exactly once, probably in an attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow) that by the time Peter started making the rounds looking for help, May was already brain dead. There was, for all intents and purposes, no one left to save. Still doesn't explain why none of Spidey's allies stepped up to offer assistance when word got out, especially when you consider that Reed Richards of the Comicbook/FantasticFour once ''[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome built a portal to heaven and accosted God-Mode Jack Kirby]]'' to get Benjamin Grimm back from the dead. Most of them, especially Comicbook/DoctorStrange, spouted some vague ObstructiveCodeOfConduct stuff to refuse helping (never mind how each is perfectly willing to spank reality whenever convenient). At least they offered the good advice that Peter should let his worries go and just enjoy his last day with his aunt. Sadly, despite the entire universe telling him this is a bad idea, [[Creator/JoeQuesada Joe-- err, Peter]] couldn't stand to see his mother figure die because of his enemies. The guy's also best friends with most of the X-Men, who have on their team an Omega-class mutant (Elixir) who was able to bring Shadowcat, Colossus, and several other mutants back from total death. What keeps him from bringing May back? This is a ''reeeeally'' glaring plothole, because apparently there is '''ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE IN THE ENTIRE MARVEL UNIVERSE''' that can help her. Hell, Doctor Doom of all people was completely unable to do anything!
** And really when you think about it, the true idiot ball goes to the writers. Because they chose to go with a complicated, crazy, and ultimately laughably bad search plan (having Spider-Man literally be in a dozen places at once asking for help from the above people who SHOULD be able to help but for no reason can't), instead of going for a simpler, more believable route (Spider-Man simply didn't have the time to get help, or something prevents him from asking). There's a huge difference between Doctor Strange bending reality around Spider-Man and failing to heal a gunshot wound and just, you know... not being home at the time, both lead to the same result.
*** Depending on how you interpret JMS' willingness to write the story, this might be a rare case of IdiotPlot and IdiotBall being {{Enforced}}.
** Arguably even MORE idiotic is Spidey's actions in ''ComicBook/CivilWar''. Yes, Spider-Man. Reveal your secret identity to the public. [[ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied Sure, last time one of your enemies had it, you underwent a tragedy that took you years to cope with, cost an innocent life, and you still angst about to this day]], but it's not like you didn't learn from that! Hell, Spidey's most frequent partner is Daredevil! Did we all just forget "Born Again"?! It was hinted, though, that Tony forced him into that - if Peter wouldn't unmask, Tony would walk out and broadcast it.

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* The ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' sees Peter Parker doing the [[AtlasPose Atlas gig]] with an Idiot Ball of truly gargantuan proportions. Making ''ComicBook/SpiderMan''. He makes a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with the closest analogue to a devil Marvel possesses]] to save the life of his already elderly aunt, at the expense of not only his current marriage, but the entire history ''of'' that marriage? Quite possibly the first example of [[StuffedInTheFridge stuffing someone in the fridge]] but leaving them alive to taunt the audience. This is even worse when you consider the number of readily available contacts the man had with spells, technology, and/or mutant powers that would put her together as good as or even '''better''' than new with minimal effort.
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Parker supposedly went to those contacts, but it was shown that all of those people couldn't help him. That means guys who could take a left arm, brain, and half a heart and ''[[FromASingleCell rebuild a person from those pieces]]'' couldn't heal a gunshot wound. [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]], a man without any real medical knowledge, managed to build a super pacemaker [[MemeticMutation IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!]], but there was no one who could take care of a simple gunshot wound. This wasn't an idiot ball, this was a galactic-scale IdiotPlot. It was stated (exactly once, probably in an attempt at an AuthorsSavingThrow) his contacts that by the time Peter started making the rounds looking for might have been able to help, but Aunt May was already brain dead. There was, for all intents and purposes, no one left to save. Still dead, so they couldn't help, which still doesn't explain why none of Spidey's allies no one stepped up to offer assistance when word got out, especially when you consider that Reed Richards of the Comicbook/FantasticFour once ''[[CrowningMomentOfAwesome built a portal to heaven and accosted God-Mode Jack Kirby]]'' to get Benjamin Grimm back from the dead. Most of them, especially Comicbook/DoctorStrange, spouted some vague ObstructiveCodeOfConduct stuff to refuse helping (never mind how each is perfectly willing to spank reality whenever convenient). At least they offered the good advice that Peter should let his worries go and just enjoy his last day with his aunt. Sadly, despite the entire universe telling him this is a bad idea, [[Creator/JoeQuesada Joe-- err, Peter]] couldn't stand to see his mother figure die because of his enemies. The guy's also best friends with most of the X-Men, who have on their team an Omega-class mutant (Elixir) who was able to bring Shadowcat, Colossus, and several other mutants back from total death. What keeps him from bringing May back? This is a ''reeeeally'' glaring plothole, because apparently there is '''ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE IN THE ENTIRE MARVEL UNIVERSE''' that can help her. Hell, Doctor Doom of all people was completely unable to do anything!
** And really when you think about it, the true idiot ball goes to the writers. Because they chose to go with a complicated, crazy, and ultimately laughably bad search plan (having Spider-Man literally be in a dozen places at once asking for help from the above people who SHOULD be able to help but for no reason can't), instead of going for a simpler, more believable route (Spider-Man simply didn't have the time to get help, or something prevents him from asking). There's a huge difference between Doctor Strange bending reality around Spider-Man and failing to heal a gunshot wound and just, you know... not being home at the time, both lead to the same result.
*** Depending on how you interpret JMS' willingness to write the story, this might be a rare case of IdiotPlot and IdiotBall being {{Enforced}}.
** Arguably even MORE idiotic is Spidey's actions in ''ComicBook/CivilWar''. Yes, Spider-Man. Reveal your secret identity to the public. [[ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied Sure, last time one of your enemies had it, you underwent a tragedy that took you years to cope with, cost an innocent life, and you still angst about to this day]], but it's not like you didn't learn from that! Hell, Spidey's most frequent partner is Daredevil! Did we all just forget "Born Again"?! It was hinted, though, that Tony forced him into that - if Peter wouldn't unmask, Tony would walk out and broadcast it.
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3rd Jan '18 7:23:13 PM SarcasmKid
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* ''[[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica Justice League: Rise of Arsenal]]'' was especially bad with this trope, wherein the main characters seemed to take turns holding it whenever they were trying to help Roy Harper deal with losing an arm and his daughter Lian following ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice''.
** Doctor Mid-Nite remains totally oblivious that Roy is stealing pain medication to handle the pain in his infected right arm.
** Cyborg designs a shoddy prosthetic limb meant to work "around" Roy's infected nerves and still gives it to Roy even though he admits the arm is going to make the pain ''worse''. He then caps it off with a rather poor joke he has to quickly apologize for.
** Mia Dearden approaches Roy at Lian's funeral to express her sympathy, even though her leaving Lian by herself was one of the factors in Lian's death when Star City was destroyed. She honestly doesn't expect Roy would be angry at her for that, but sure enough he starts trying to strangle her while screaming about her neglect.
** Dick Grayson gets in a fight with Roy after he lapses back into his old heroin addiction, and after knocking Roy unconscious, instead of bringing Roy to his friends and family to help Roy got through this bad patch, has him dumped in a prison for supervillains with substance abuse problems where he's strapped to a bed and forced to sweat out his addiction. To make matters worse, when Roy eventually escapes, it turns out Dick ''left Roy's new arm and all his weapons'' at the center instead of putting them somewhere Roy couldn't get to again, obviously not thinking there was a chance he'd escape.
** Black Canary does nothing to alert the others that Roy is abusing pain medication when she finds him passed out on his living room floor with several empty bottles nearby, and after he's been brought to the aforementioned prison, uses her one opportunity to help him to instead declare him a lost cause and walk away. She previously spent most of the story walking around expressing the barest amount of emotion possible and offered little genuine comfort to Roy.
** Finally, ''none'' of the characters have noticed or stopped to pay attention to Roy long enough to see he's been suffering from hallucinations of his former dealer goading him on, which then turn into hallucinations of Lian calling him a bad father. Dick should've realized something was off when Roy, getting high on heroin for the first time in years, goes through an incredibly vivid hallucination and nearly kills several people when heroin is not supposed to do that.
15th Sep '17 7:49:46 PM RoninMacbeth
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*** Depending on how you interpret JMS' willingness to write the story, this might be a rare case of IdiotPlot being {{Enforced}}.

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*** Depending on how you interpret JMS' willingness to write the story, this might be a rare case of IdiotPlot and IdiotBall being {{Enforced}}.
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*** Depending on how you interpret JMS' willingness to write the story, this might be a rare case of IdiotPlot being {{Enforced}}.
30th Aug '17 5:38:24 PM zealots
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* All-Star [[ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica JSA]] Cyclone. Little Maxine Hunkel seems to have no idea that she should use her powers in combat these days. All she ever does in a fight is freeze up and scream for help. And this is not against extradimensional horrors or powerful supervillains but against petty mooks the rest of the JSA are clobbering without breaking a sweat. She should be standing in the middle of a screaming tornado with mooks being flung through the air, but instead hunches up and whimpers as they move in for the kill.

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* All-Star [[ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica JSA]] Cyclone. Little Maxine Hunkel seems to have no idea that she should use her powers in combat these days. All she ever does in a fight is freeze up and scream for help. And this is not against extradimensional horrors or powerful supervillains but against petty mooks the rest of the JSA are clobbering without breaking a sweat. She should be standing in the middle of a screaming tornado with mooks being flung through the air, but instead hunches up and whimpers as they move in for the kill. This behavior is made even more ridiculous when one remembers that Maxine spent a lot of time hanging around Magog, a member of the JSA that (for all his faults) had a habit of making sure the kids around him were combat-ready. So not only is poor Maxine consistently forgetting about her powers, she's forgetting all her JSA training period (even if Magog somehow missed training her, ''someone'' had to).



* ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' is one long game of Idiot Ball Hot Potato. The entire plot, from the Avengers ignoring the X-Men (who have decades of first-hand experience with the Phoenix Force), to Captain America showing up at Utopia ''demanding'' Hope be turned over, to Tony Stark trying to blow up the Phoenix Force, to attacking the Phoenix Five after they've turned Earth into a paradise, is dependent on pretty much everyone grabbing hold of the Idiot Ball and running with it for all they're worth.

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* ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' is one long game of Idiot Ball Hot Potato. The entire plot, from the Avengers ignoring the X-Men (who have decades of first-hand experience with the Phoenix Force), to the X-Men '''themselves''' forgetting all about their resident Phoenix expert Rachel Summers (who plays a remarkably small role in the crossover given her years of experience as Phoenix), to Captain America showing up at Utopia ''demanding'' Hope be turned over, to Tony Stark trying to blow up the Phoenix Force, to attacking the Phoenix Five after they've turned Earth into a paradise, is dependent on pretty much everyone grabbing hold of the Idiot Ball and running with it for all they're worth.


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* The last issue of ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen2015'' ends with master assassin Psylocke hunting down Magneto for getting a little too dirty with his DirtyBusiness and, despite the enormous power gap between them, actually managing to inflict a fatal wound on Mags. But rather than finish Magneto -- a man she ''knows'' has [[DeathIsCheap died and come back]] several times over -- she instead just opts to walk away and leave him to bleed out. Of course, moments after she leaves help arrives for Magneto in the form of the two omega-level mutants that are both healers and both feel indebted to him -- and both of whom Psylocke knows about.
28th Aug '17 6:43:08 AM CosmicFerret
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* There was a villain who blamed [[TheFlash Max Mercury]] for the death of his family, gained access to a time machine, and used it to try and destroy Max Mercury. He was temporarily incapacitated with horror when asked why he hadn't used it ''to save his family''.

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* There was a villain who blamed [[TheFlash [[ComicBook/TheFlash Max Mercury]] for the death of his family, gained access to a time machine, and used it to try and destroy Max Mercury. He was temporarily incapacitated with horror when asked why he hadn't used it ''to save his family''.



* ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'': ComicBook/{{Raven}} makes constant dives for the Idiot Ball. The first time, chronologically, was when she saved [[TheFlash Kid Flash]] from committing suicide via freezing to death in the Himalayas (points for creativity, Wally). She thought the best way to save his life was to make him fall in love with her using magic and then using the same magic to make him forget she did it. He went on with his life thinking she made him fall in love with her to get him on the team, ''not'' to save his life. Smooth move, Raven.

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* ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'': ComicBook/{{Raven}} makes constant dives for the Idiot Ball. The first time, chronologically, was when she saved [[TheFlash [[ComicBook/TheFlash Kid Flash]] from committing suicide via freezing to death in the Himalayas (points for creativity, Wally). She thought the best way to save his life was to make him fall in love with her using magic and then using the same magic to make him forget she did it. He went on with his life thinking she made him fall in love with her to get him on the team, ''not'' to save his life. Smooth move, Raven.
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