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* In a rather vile example of this; Heinrich Himmler, the man who supposedly carried out the Holocaust, had Reinhard Heydrich who carried out and created many of the ideas of the Holocaust. He was so vicious, it is said some of the Nazi officials who were his subordinates were more afraid of him than Hitler. This makes sense, as he created the concentration camps and the rest of the Final Solution.

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* In a rather vile example of this; Heinrich Himmler, Himmler (himself the pretty incompetent sidekick to Adolf Hitler), the man who supposedly carried out the Holocaust, had Reinhard Heydrich who carried out and created many of the ideas of the Holocaust. He was so vicious, it is said some of the Nazi officials who were his subordinates were more afraid of him than Hitler. This makes sense, as he created the concentration camps and the rest of the Final Solution.
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* A frequent occurrence in Prussia/the German Empire from 1812-1918. Field commands were traditionally given to high-ranking nobles, who were raised for the task but nevertheless had varying levels of competence. After Prussia's crushing defeat to Napoleon at the Battle of Jena (1806), [[TheChessmaster Gerhard von Scharnhorst]] was put in charge of reforming the Prussian military, and came up with the idea of retaining the contemporary social structure, while cleverly undermining it by forcing the Field Marshals to co-operate with their Chiefs of Staff, who were appointed on Scharnhorst's advice. The most notable example of this was [[AccidentalHero Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg]], who became a national hero and public icon during WorldWarOne, even though most of his decisions were made by the obscure no-name [[ManBehindTheMan Erich Ludendorff]].

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* A frequent occurrence in Prussia/the German Empire from 1812-1918. Field commands were traditionally given to high-ranking nobles, who were raised for the task but nevertheless had varying levels of competence. After Prussia's crushing defeat to Napoleon at the Battle of Jena (1806), [[TheChessmaster Gerhard von Scharnhorst]] was put in charge of reforming the Prussian military, and came up with the idea of retaining the contemporary social structure, while cleverly undermining it by forcing the Field Marshals to co-operate with their Chiefs of Staff, who were appointed on Scharnhorst's advice. The most notable example of this was [[AccidentalHero Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg]], who became a national hero and public icon during WorldWarOne, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, even though most of his decisions were made by the obscure no-name [[ManBehindTheMan Erich Ludendorff]].
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* To a degree, Stonewall Jackson, James Longstreet, and J. E. B. Stuart were this to Robert E. Lee. Lee was certainly no slouch, but at Gettysburg, with Jackson dead and Longstreet at odds with him, Lee made some major tactical blunders that are often interpreted as his having become dependent on a team of {{Hyper Competent Sidekick}}s he could trust with the details of carrying out his orders.
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*** As the chief if staff in the Eastern Front, Hoffmann would pull off another one, masterminding the defeat (and collapse) of the Russian Empire while Prince Leopold of Bavaria was nominally in charge.

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*** As the chief if of staff in the Eastern Front, Hoffmann would pull off another one, masterminding the defeat (and collapse) of the Russian Empire while Prince Leopold of Bavaria was nominally in charge.
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*** As the chief if staff in the Eastern Front, Hoffmann would pull off another one, masterminding the defeat (and collapse) of the Russian Empire while Prince Leopold of Bavaria was nominally in charge.
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* Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa was this for Octavian, later EmperorAugustus. While Octavian was a highly competent administrator, he needed someone who could match wits with Mark Antony on the battlefield and come out on top. That was Agrippa. He managed to absolutely crush not only the remnants of the conservative resistance to the Second Triumvirate, but also obliterate Antony's forces both at sea and on land. It is widely accepted that Octavian may never have become emperor if he did not have Agrippa handling the military side of things.

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* Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa was this for Octavian, later EmperorAugustus.Emperor UsefulNotes/{{Augustus}}. While Octavian was a highly competent administrator, he needed someone who could match wits with Mark Antony on the battlefield and come out on top. That was Agrippa. He managed to absolutely crush not only the remnants of the conservative resistance to the Second Triumvirate, but also obliterate Antony's forces both at sea and on land. It is widely accepted that Octavian may never have become emperor if he did not have Agrippa handling the military side of things.



* Vice President Walter Mondale was this to JimmyCarter, serving as Carter's troubleshooter (particularly in foreign affairs).[[note]]Mondale's foreign affairs experience later earned him an appointment as ambassador to Japan under the Clinton administration.[[/note]] RichardNixon filled the same role for Eisenhower. Prior to Mondale and Nixon the vice-presidency was little more than a ceremonial posting, and usually a dead end for a political career.
* Vice President Dick Cheney was widely lampooned as TheManBehindTheMan to President GeorgeWBush and is thought to have been the architect of a lot of his foreign policy.

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* Vice President Walter Mondale was this to JimmyCarter, UsefulNotes/JimmyCarter, serving as Carter's troubleshooter (particularly in foreign affairs).[[note]]Mondale's foreign affairs experience later earned him an appointment as ambassador to Japan under the Clinton administration.[[/note]] RichardNixon UsefulNotes/RichardNixon filled the same role for Eisenhower. Prior to Mondale and Nixon the vice-presidency was little more than a ceremonial posting, and usually a dead end for a political career.
* Vice President Dick Cheney was widely lampooned as TheManBehindTheMan to President GeorgeWBush UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush and is thought to have been the architect of a lot of his foreign policy.



* Nixon had his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

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* Stunt doubles, in general. They often work harder than the star they're standing in for, and are on screen during most of the best parts. In a particularly action-heavy movie, it could be said that the stuntman is the real star, and the other guy is just his "face double."
** This claim has very little merit though. The stuntmen usually cant act well themselves and thus couldnt replace the actor in the first place. They are only chosen and paid for their ability to avoid damaging themselves. And because nobody knows their face, they can be easily replaced, a very important property for a movie set for which every day of not shooting is most extremely expensive. So this really not a good example.

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* Stunt doubles, in general. They often work harder than the star they're standing in for, and are on screen during most of the best parts. In a particularly action-heavy movie, it could be said that the stuntman is the real star, and the other guy is just his "face double."
** This claim has very little merit though. The stuntmen usually cant act well themselves and thus couldnt replace the actor in the first place. They are only chosen and paid for their ability to avoid damaging themselves. And because nobody knows their face, they can be easily replaced, a very important property for a movie set for which every day of not shooting is most extremely expensive. So this really not a good example.
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** This claim has very little merit though. The stuntmen usually cant act well themselves and thus couldnt replace the actor in the first place. They are only chosen and paid for their ability to avoid damaging themselves. And because nobody knows their face, they can be easily replaced, a very important property for a movie set for which every day of not shooting is most extremely expensive. So this really not a good example.
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*** Ivan Konev was in turn Zhukov's HypercompetentSidekick, being just as talented and more intimately involved with the actual fighting.
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** It was even common among Americans who did not think well of the Bush Administration to insinuate that it was, in fact, the Cheney Administration.
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** Pretty much the entire civil service in the United States operates this way: agencies and departments are nominally run by political appointees but the day-to-day work is done by career professionals, some of whom have served through multiple administrations and even more appointees.
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* Stunt doubles, in general. They often work harder than the star they're standing in for, and are on screen during most of the best parts. In a particularly action-heavy movie, it could be said that the stuntman is the real star, and the other guy is just his "face double."
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** Much the same in Russian Empire also. The nominal commanders-in-chief were either the Tsar or his close relative. The trouble is that Russians often did not have a competent general who would act as the de facto commander. (Soviet Union continued this trend during World War II: Stalin (at least in the latter half of the war, when the Soviets were really winning) was the nominal commander-in-chief. The actual military command was exercised by Zhukov, as the Chief of General Staff.)

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** Much the same in Russian Empire also. The nominal commanders-in-chief were was either the Tsar himself or one of his close relative.relatives (e.g. Grand Duke Nicholas, a cousin of the Tsar Nicholas II, at the beginning of World War I). The trouble is that Russians often did not have a competent general who would act as the de facto commander. (Soviet Union continued this trend during World War II: Stalin (at least in the latter half of the war, when the Soviets were really winning) was the nominal commander-in-chief. The actual military command was exercised by Zhukov, as the Chief of General Staff.)
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** Much the same in Russian Empire also. The nominal commanders-in-chief were either the Tsar or his close relative. The trouble is that Russians often did not have a competent general who would act as the de facto commander. (Soviet Union continued this trend during World War II: Stalin (at least in the latter half of the war, when the Soviets were really winning) was the nominal commander-in-chief. The actual military command was exercised by Zhukov, as the Chief of General Staff.)
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* This is the typical situation in many modern militaries when you have wet-behind-the-ears [[EnsignNewbie junior officers]] fresh out of training placed in charge of units with [=NCO=]s who sometimes have been [[OldSoldier serving longer than the officer has been alive]]. The general wisdom is that while the officer makes the decisions (and [[ChainsOfCommanding bears the responsibility for those decisions]]) and can overrule the sergeant appointed under him, a ''good'' officer will consider the sergeant's advice whenever possible.

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* This is the typical situation in many modern militaries when you have wet-behind-the-ears [[EnsignNewbie junior officers]] fresh out of training placed in charge of units with [=NCO=]s who sometimes have been [[OldSoldier serving longer than the officer has been alive]]. The general wisdom is that while the officer makes the decisions (and [[ChainsOfCommanding [[TheChainsOfCommanding bears the responsibility for those decisions]]) and can overrule the sergeant appointed under him, a ''good'' officer will consider the sergeant's advice whenever possible.
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* This is the typical situation in many modern militaries when you have wet-behind-the-ears [[EnsignNewbie junior officers]] fresh out of training placed in charge of units with [=NCO=]s who sometimes have been [[OldSoldier serving longer than the officer has been alive]]. The general wisdom is that while the officer makes the decisions and can overrule the sergeant appointed under him, a ''good'' officer will consider the sergeant's advice whenever possible.

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* This is the typical situation in many modern militaries when you have wet-behind-the-ears [[EnsignNewbie junior officers]] fresh out of training placed in charge of units with [=NCO=]s who sometimes have been [[OldSoldier serving longer than the officer has been alive]]. The general wisdom is that while the officer makes the decisions (and [[ChainsOfCommanding bears the responsibility for those decisions]]) and can overrule the sergeant appointed under him, a ''good'' officer will consider the sergeant's advice whenever possible.
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** This trope is averted with President Barrack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden since neither one of them are particularly competent.
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** It's worth noting that the famous photograph from the summit of Mt. Everest is, in fact, a photo of Norgay since Hillary was the only one who knew who to operate the camera, and standing on a mountain peak at 29,000 feet is not the time or place to try and give photography lessons.

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** It's worth noting that the famous photograph from the summit of Mt. Everest is, in fact, a photo of Norgay since Hillary was the only one who knew who how to operate the camera, and standing on a mountain peak at 29,000 feet is not the time or place to try and give photography lessons.
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** It's worth noting that the famous photograph from the summit of Mt. Everest is, in fact, a photo of Norgay since Hillary was the only one who knew who to operate the camera, and standing on a mountain peak at 29,000 feet is not the time or place to try and give photography lessons.
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** This trope is averted with President Barrack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden since neither one of them are particularly competent.
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* Australian deputy Prime Minister Paul Keating was arguably this to Prime Minister Bob Hawke. Despite bring a high school drop out, he was the architect of far reaching economic reforms that changed the entire way the economy functioned. He did all this while the Rhodes scholar Hawke acted as the lovable, yard glass chugging head of the Labor party.

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* This is the typical situation in many modern militaries when you have wet-behind-the-ears junior officers fresh out of training placed in charge of units with [=NCO=]s who sometimes have been serving longer than the officer has been alive.

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* This is the typical situation in many modern militaries when you have wet-behind-the-ears [[EnsignNewbie junior officers officers]] fresh out of training placed in charge of units with [=NCO=]s who sometimes have been [[OldSoldier serving longer than the officer has been alive.alive]]. The general wisdom is that while the officer makes the decisions and can overrule the sergeant appointed under him, a ''good'' officer will consider the sergeant's advice whenever possible.
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** Another notable case was Hellmuth von Moltke, the Prussian Chief of General Staff in the wars against Austria (1866) and France (1870-1871), when the nominal commander-in-chief was Wilhelm I of Prussia. In fact, a number of pundits and experts (including Friedrich Engels) had tipped the Austrians as most likely to win the war of 1866 because the Prussian army was led in the field by its uninspiring and militarily unremarkable king, while the Austrian was led by a general of proven worth.

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** Another notable case was Hellmuth Helmuth von Moltke, the Prussian Chief of General Staff in the wars against Austria (1866) and France (1870-1871), when the nominal (nominal) commander-in-chief was Wilhelm I of Prussia. In fact, a number of pundits and experts (including Friedrich Engels) had tipped the Austrians as most likely to win the war of 1866 because the Prussian army was led in the field by its uninspiring and militarily unremarkable king, while the Austrian was led by a general of proven worth. (Another factor that led people to fatally underestimate the Prussian high command was Moltke's age - he was born in 1800).
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** Another notable case was Hellmuth von Moltke, the Prussian Chief of General Staff in the wars against Austria (1866) and France (1870-1871), when the nominal commander-in-chief was Wilhelm I of Prussia. In fact, a number of pundits and experts (including Friedrich Engels) had tipped the Austrians as most likely to win the war of 1866 because the Prussian army was led in the field by its uninspiring and militarily unremarkable king, while the Austrian was led by a general of proven worth.

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* A frequent occurrence in Prussia/the German Empire from 1814-1918. Field commands were traditionally given to high-ranking nobles, who were raised for the task but nevertheless had varying levels of competence. After Prussia's crushing defeat to Napoleon at the Battle of Jena (1806), [[TheChessmaster Gerhard von Scharnhorst]] was put in charge of reforming the Prussian military, and came up with the idea of retaining the contemporary social structure, while cleverly undermining it by forcing the Field Marshals to co-operate with their Chiefs of Staff, who were appointed on Scharnhorst's advice. The most notable example of this was [[AccidentalHero Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg]], who became a national hero and public icon during WorldWarOne, even though most of his decisions were made by the obscure no-name [[ManBehindTheMan Erich Ludendorff]].

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* A frequent occurrence in Prussia/the German Empire from 1814-1918.1812-1918. Field commands were traditionally given to high-ranking nobles, who were raised for the task but nevertheless had varying levels of competence. After Prussia's crushing defeat to Napoleon at the Battle of Jena (1806), [[TheChessmaster Gerhard von Scharnhorst]] was put in charge of reforming the Prussian military, and came up with the idea of retaining the contemporary social structure, while cleverly undermining it by forcing the Field Marshals to co-operate with their Chiefs of Staff, who were appointed on Scharnhorst's advice. The most notable example of this was [[AccidentalHero Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg]], who became a national hero and public icon during WorldWarOne, even though most of his decisions were made by the obscure no-name [[ManBehindTheMan Erich Ludendorff]].


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** What Scharnhorst wanted to counteract most was the fact that especially in an army that went to war as infrequently as the Prussian one, high command tended to go to long-serving officers who had proved their bravery and gained some merit and done nothing wrong so bad to diminish their claim to command by virtue of their accumulated seniority. The system also allowed the commander and his chief of staff to complement each other. For instance in the Wars of Liberation General (later Field Marshal) Gehard Leberecht von Blücher supplied the more flashy courage, charisma and a natural talent to hold impromptu speeches to inspire his subordinates - including non-Prussian ones - with the strategic, tactical and administrative know-how of his chiefs of staff Scharnhorst and August Neithard von Gneisenau. There also was an interesting, effective synergy between the impulsive and audacious Blücher (it was an important factor that he was one of the few allied Generals who was not scared of Napoleon) and his somewhat more cautious chiefs of staff.
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* This can occur with examples of AssInAmbassador, since while (in the case of the United States) the actual ambassadors to friendly countries like France and England are given the jobs as political favors by the president, while the actual nitty-gritty day-to-day running of the embassies/consulates/what have you are done by career Foreign Service Officers. The career [=FSOs=], i.e. the ones who've made a long life out of doing the job, are often considered equivalent to high-ranking military officers in terms of authority and expertise.

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* This can occur with examples of AssInAmbassador, since while (in the case of the United States) the actual ambassadors to friendly countries like France and England are given the jobs as political favors by the president, while the actual nitty-gritty day-to-day running of the embassies/consulates/what have you are done by career Foreign Service Officers. The career [=FSOs=], i.e. the ones who've made a long life out of doing the job, are often considered equivalent to high-ranking military officers in terms of authority and expertise.
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* This can occur with examples of AssInAmbassador, since while (in the case of the United States) the actual ambassadors to friendly countries like France and England are given the jobs as political favors by the president, while the actual nitty-gritty day-to-day running of the embassies/consulates/what have you are done by career Foreign Service Officers. The career [=FSOs=], i.e. the ones who've made a long life out of doing the job, are often considered equivalent to high-ranking military officers in terms of authority and expertise.
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* Sherpas for mountaineersm, especially Tenzing Norgay for Sir Edmund Hillary, as noted elsewhere. Small subversion in that Norgay DID become famous, and Hillary gave him all possible credit.

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* Sherpas for mountaineersm, especially Tenzing Norgay for Sir Edmund Hillary, as noted elsewhere. Small subversion in that Norgay DID become famous, and Hillary gave him all possible credit.
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* A frequent occurrence in Prussia/the German Empire from 1814-1918. Field commands were traditionally given to high-ranking nobles, who were raised for the task but nevertheless had varying levels of competence. After Prussia's crushing defeat to Napoleon at the Battle of Jena (1806), [[TheChessmaster Gerhard von Scharnhorst]] was put in charge of reforming the Prussian military, and came up with the idea of retaining the contemporary social structure, while cleverly undermining it by forcing the Field Marshals to co-operate with their Chiefs of Staff, who were appointed on Scharnhorst's advice. The most notable example of this was [[AccidentalHero Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg]], who became a national hero and public icon during WorldWarOne, even though most of his decisions were made by the obscure no-name [[ManBehindTheMan Erich Ludendorff]].
** In practice, Hindenburg had never been a very competent officer, and he had already been retired in 1911. The [[TheChessmaster master strategist]] behind him and true brain behind the victory at Tannenberg was Colonel (future General) [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hoffmann Max Hoffmann]]. Both had been decorated for the battle, Hoffmann promoted to General and Chief of Staff for Eastern Front Armies, yet the propaganda system gave the full credit to the old Prussian General and turned him into a national hero.
* This happened a lot during the later parts of the Roman Empire, especially in the 5th Century West, where ineffectual emperors were backed by military strongmen. Not all of them were constructive, but a few of them pretty much kept the West from falling apart immediately, most notably Aetius and Stilicho. Their deaths didn't bode well for Rome. Even the East had this. Belisarius was the famed general of Justinian and a fantastic commander.
* Claudius was this to Caligula. At least for the first six months, when Caligula was sane. The jury's still out on after that; but it was only by accident that Claudius became emperor at all.
* Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa was this for Octavian, later EmperorAugustus. While Octavian was a highly competent administrator, he needed someone who could match wits with Mark Antony on the battlefield and come out on top. That was Agrippa. He managed to absolutely crush not only the remnants of the conservative resistance to the Second Triumvirate, but also obliterate Antony's forces both at sea and on land. It is widely accepted that Octavian may never have become emperor if he did not have Agrippa handling the military side of things.
* In a rather vile example of this; Heinrich Himmler, the man who supposedly carried out the Holocaust, had Reinhard Heydrich who carried out and created many of the ideas of the Holocaust. He was so vicious, it is said some of the Nazi officials who were his subordinates were more afraid of him than Hitler. This makes sense, as he created the concentration camps and the rest of the Final Solution.
* Vice President Walter Mondale was this to JimmyCarter, serving as Carter's troubleshooter (particularly in foreign affairs).[[note]]Mondale's foreign affairs experience later earned him an appointment as ambassador to Japan under the Clinton administration.[[/note]] RichardNixon filled the same role for Eisenhower. Prior to Mondale and Nixon the vice-presidency was little more than a ceremonial posting, and usually a dead end for a political career.
* Vice President Dick Cheney was widely lampooned as TheManBehindTheMan to President GeorgeWBush and is thought to have been the architect of a lot of his foreign policy.
* Nixon had his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
* This is the typical situation in many modern militaries when you have wet-behind-the-ears junior officers fresh out of training placed in charge of units with [=NCO=]s who sometimes have been serving longer than the officer has been alive.
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