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If you\'re going to include it then it should be in the DC section. Don\'t think it should anyway, since it has a cult following and the entry seems to defend it if anything.


* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to the anti-fascist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]].'' Linkara reviewed it as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[CreatorKiller the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
** ...However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to the anti-fascist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]].'' Linkara reviewed it as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[CreatorKiller the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most more readable than most of the works listed here.
** ...However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''.
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Going a bit overboard with the \"snark\" here. There\'s no need to use this to rail against DC (which isn\'t a hivemind entity, by the way)


** ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his aforementioned daughter Lian in the attack on Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed over the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because [[{{RetGone}} who's Lian?]]

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** ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that {{Poe|slaw}}, but it's hard to tell. The story begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his aforementioned daughter Lian in the attack on Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition).City. ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), S&M, whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed over the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because [[{{RetGone}} who's Lian?]]
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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done) and attributed Mideast policy to [[AlwaysChaoticEvil pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil]] (not even ''realpolitik'', lingering Cold War sentiment or monopolization of energy reserves! Just Xenomorphs in three-piece suits!) Virtually everyone who opposes them is made out to be a hero, from communists on the left to Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sexual imagery used to reinforce his "points", and his nadir: his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed, arguably making him an accessory to murder and numerous terrorist bombings. But that's a free speech debate for another time; suffice to say it wasn't a career-booster so it gets a mention here.

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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done) and attributed Mideast policy to [[AlwaysChaoticEvil pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil]] (not even ''realpolitik'', lingering Cold War sentiment or monopolization of energy reserves! Just Xenomorphs in three-piece suits!) Virtually everyone who opposes them is made out to be a hero, from communists on the left to Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sexual imagery used to reinforce his "points", and his nadir: his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed, arguably making him an accessory to murder and numerous terrorist bombings.several murders. But that's a free speech debate for another time; suffice to say it wasn't a career-booster so it gets a mention here.
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* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion, true, but how to describe man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] that he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film? Plus his politics make Rosie O'Donnell look like Newt Gingrich. Avoid at all costs.

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* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion, true, but how to describe the man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] that he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film? Plus his politics make Rosie O'Donnell look like Newt Gingrich. Avoid at all costs.
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* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion but it's difficult to come up with a more deserving one. He's the Rosie O'Donnell of the west coast, [[StopBeingStereotypical an embarrassment]] to liberals everywhere and man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] that he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film.

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* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion opinion, true, but it's difficult how to come up with a more deserving one. He's the Rosie O'Donnell of the west coast, [[StopBeingStereotypical an embarrassment]] to liberals everywhere and describe man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] that he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film.film? Plus his politics make Rosie O'Donnell look like Newt Gingrich. Avoid at all costs.
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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done attributed to [[ForTheEvulz pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil.]]). Virtually everyone who opposes them is made out to be a hero, from communists on the left to Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sexual imagery used to reinforce his "points", and his nadir: his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed, arguably making him an accessory to murder and numerous terrorist bombings. But that's a free speech debate for another time; suffice to say it wasn't a career-booster so it gets a mention here.

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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done done) and attributed Mideast policy to [[ForTheEvulz [[AlwaysChaoticEvil pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil.]]). evil]] (not even ''realpolitik'', lingering Cold War sentiment or monopolization of energy reserves! Just Xenomorphs in three-piece suits!) Virtually everyone who opposes them is made out to be a hero, from communists on the left to Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sexual imagery used to reinforce his "points", and his nadir: his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed, arguably making him an accessory to murder and numerous terrorist bombings. But that's a free speech debate for another time; suffice to say it wasn't a career-booster so it gets a mention here.
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** It acted as a massive ResetButton on the Spider-Books as a whole, retconning not just Peter and MJ's marriage (which might have been tolerable), but Spidey's ''[[TheUnmasking public unmasking]]'' during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' arc (which they expressly stated would not be undone, [=LOLno=]). This is the kind of ham-fisted revisionism you normally see in DC Comics, rebooting the entire universe every time a new movie is announced.

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** It acted as a massive ResetButton on the Spider-Books as a whole, retconning not just Peter and MJ's marriage (which might have been tolerable), but Spidey's ''[[TheUnmasking public unmasking]]'' during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' arc (which they expressly stated would not be undone, [=LOLno=]). This is the kind of ham-fisted shameless revisionism you normally see in Marvel fans (rightly) mock DC Comics, Comics for: rebooting the entire universe every each time a new movie is announced.

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* The ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' storyline ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' is perhaps the most infamous case of ExecutiveMeddling since ComicBook/TheCloneSaga. ''Decades'' of continuity and characterization were DiabolusExMachina'd out of existence because Creator/JoeQuesada, Marvel's editor-in-chief at the time, hated the more modern aspects of Spidey's character. (Interestingly, The Clone Saga was conceived for the exact same reason, but that's another can of worms...) Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, the writer for this storyline, hated every minute of it and tried hard to get himself disassociated with it. It goes like this--Spider Man's aunt May takes a bullet and is about to die. [[ReedRichardsIsUseless Somehow, nobody in the Marvel Universe can do anything to change that.]] So, in a move wholly detached from reality and maturity, he makes a DealWithTheDevil to save Aunt May's life (against her wishes, by the way)... in exchange for his marriage and much of his relationship with Mary-Jane being erased from history. It was contrived to the point of stupidity, worse in that Quesada claimed that having them just plain divorce would make the audience feel cheated. More likely, Joe no longer recognized the Spider-Man from his youth and wanted to [[NostalgiaFilter return to a simpler time.]]

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* The ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' storyline ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' is perhaps the most infamous case of ExecutiveMeddling since ComicBook/TheCloneSaga. ''Decades'' ComicBook/TheCloneSaga (which was merely [[ShaggyDogStory a waste of time]], and not a slow-motion midlife crisis which rendered thirty years of ''reading comics'' a waste of time).
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of continuity and characterization were DiabolusExMachina'd blinked out of existence because Creator/JoeQuesada, Marvel's editor-in-chief at the time, hated the more modern aspects of Spidey's character. (Interestingly, The the Clone Saga was conceived for the exact same a similar reason, but that's another can of worms...proving that Marvel never learns anything.) Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, the writer for this storyline, hated every minute of it and tried hard to get himself disassociated with it. It goes like this--Spider Man's aunt May takes a bullet and is about to die. [[ReedRichardsIsUseless Somehow, nobody in the Marvel Universe can do anything to change that.]] So, in a move wholly detached from reality and maturity, he makes a DealWithTheDevil to save Aunt May's life (against her wishes, by the way)... in exchange for his marriage and much of his relationship with Mary-Jane being erased from history. It was contrived to the point of stupidity, worse in that Quesada claimed that having them just plain divorce would make the audience feel cheated. More likely, Joe no longer recognized the Spider-Man from his youth and wanted to [[NostalgiaFilter return to a simpler time.]]
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** ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his aforementioned daughter Lian in the attack on Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed over the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because [[{{RetGone}} who's Lian?]]

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** ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his aforementioned daughter Lian in the attack on Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed over the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because [[{{RetGone}} who's Lian?]]
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* ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his daughter in the annihilation of his hometown Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed over the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because who's Lian?

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* ** ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his aforementioned daughter Lian in the annihilation of his hometown attack on Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed over the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because [[{{RetGone}} who's Lian? Lian?]]
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* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion but it's difficult to come up with a more deserving one. He's the Rosie O'Donnell of the west coast, [[StopBeingStereotypical an embarrassment]] to liberals everywhere and man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] than he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film.

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* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion but it's difficult to come up with a more deserving one. He's the Rosie O'Donnell of the west coast, [[StopBeingStereotypical an embarrassment]] to liberals everywhere and man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] than that he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film.
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* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion but it's difficult to come up with a more deserving one. He's the Rosie O'Donnell of the west coast, an embarrassment to liberals everywhere a man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] than he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film.

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* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion but it's difficult to come up with a more deserving one. He's the Rosie O'Donnell of the west coast, [[StopBeingStereotypical an embarrassment embarrassment]] to liberals everywhere a and man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] than he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film.

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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done attributed to [[ForTheEvulz pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil.]]). Virtually everyone who opposes them is made out to be a hero, from communists on the left to Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sexual imagery used to reinforce his "points", and his Dethroning Moment of Suck: his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed. He's also quick to jump on the boat when there is any kind of tragedy in the Middle East, but whenever there's a tragedy in the West, he still regards it as the result of flaws in the country, and his art sometimes seem so simple that it's like he's doing it because he has to. He's also said to be incredibly rude, deleting any comment on his art that doesn't agree with him exactly, including, presumably, people who try to be voices of reason offering constructive criticism. Which is a shame, as he has drawn some surprisingly heartwarming cartoons advocating peace in the Middle East or at the very least showing individual Israelis in positive light. It certainly doesn't help that some of his depictions are completely inaccurate.

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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done attributed to [[ForTheEvulz pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil.]]). Virtually everyone who opposes them is made out to be a hero, from communists on the left to Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sexual imagery used to reinforce his "points", and his Dethroning Moment of Suck: nadir: his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed. Mohammed, arguably making him an accessory to murder and numerous terrorist bombings. But that's a free speech debate for another time; suffice to say it wasn't a career-booster so it gets a mention here.
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He's also quick to jump on the boat when there is any kind of tragedy in the Middle East, but whenever there's a tragedy in the West, he still regards it as the result of flaws in the country, and his art sometimes seem so simple that it's like he's doing it because he has to. He's also said to be incredibly rude, deleting any comment on his art that doesn't agree with him exactly, including, presumably, people who try to be voices of reason offering constructive criticism. Which is a shame, as he has drawn some surprisingly heartwarming cartoons advocating peace in the Middle East or at the very least showing individual Israelis in positive light. It certainly doesn't help that some of his depictions are completely inaccurate.inaccurate.
* Ted Rall is a dickbag. It's not an objective opinion but it's difficult to come up with a more deserving one. He's the Rosie O'Donnell of the west coast, an embarrassment to liberals everywhere a man so serene in his [[SmallNameBigEgo unjustified self-importance]] than he trashed ''Film/BladeRunner'' and later celebrated Creator/RogerEbert's death because the man disagreed with him over the film.
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* ''ComicBook/TheUnfunnies'' by Creator/MarkMillar. You know something is wrong when the ads tell you to "leave good taste at the door". The comic tries for RefugeInAudacity and is obviously trying to balance funny with drama, but fails to be funny and thus misses the refuge. The main villain is a KarmaHoudini who has more depth than any of the other characters. The comic attempts to mix real life photography and a cartoony style to get a RogerRabbitEffect, but screws that up massively thanks to SpecialEffectsFailure.

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* ''ComicBook/TheUnfunnies'' by Creator/MarkMillar. You know something is wrong when the ads tell you to "leave good taste at the door". The comic tries for RefugeInAudacity and is obviously trying to balance funny with drama, but fails to be funny and thus misses the refuge. refuge, becoming little more than a social experiment in depravity (like most of Millar's works, come to think of it). The main villain is a child-murdering KarmaHoudini who ironically has more depth than any of the other cartoon characters. The In addition to injecting pedophilia and bloodshed into Hanna-Barbera, the comic attempts to mix real life photography and a cartoony style to get a RogerRabbitEffect, but screws thereby ruining that up massively thanks to SpecialEffectsFailure.movie for everyone also.
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** Just in case you need any more convincing, Mark Millar's wife herself read about six pages and tossed the book at his head. He probably made it up to her with a 1-carat blood diamond paid for by the proceeds of his gorn factory.

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** Just in case you need any more convincing, Mark Millar's wife herself read about six pages and tossed the book at his head. He probably made it up to her with a 1-carat blood diamond paid for by the proceeds of his [[CashCowFranchise gorn factory.factory]].
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** Just in case you need any more convincing, Mark Millar's wife herself read about six pages and tossed the book at his head. He probably made it up to her with a 24-karat blood diamond paid for by the proceeds of his gorn factory.

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** Just in case you need any more convincing, Mark Millar's wife herself read about six pages and tossed the book at his head. He probably made it up to her with a 24-karat 1-carat blood diamond paid for by the proceeds of his gorn factory.
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** Just in case you need any more convincing, Mark Millar's wife herself read about six pages and tossed the book at his head. He probably made it up to her with a 24-karat diamond paid for from the proceeds of his gorn factory.

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** Just in case you need any more convincing, Mark Millar's wife herself read about six pages and tossed the book at his head. He probably made it up to her with a 24-karat blood diamond paid for from by the proceeds of his gorn factory.
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** Just in case you need any more convincing, Mark Millar's wife herself read about six pages and tossed the book at his head.

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** Just in case you need any more convincing, Mark Millar's wife herself read about six pages and tossed the book at his head. He probably made it up to her with a 24-karat diamond paid for from the proceeds of his gorn factory.
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]].'' Linkara reviewed it as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[CreatorKiller the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist the anti-fascist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]].'' Linkara reviewed it as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[CreatorKiller the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]].'' Linkara reviewed it as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]].'' Linkara reviewed it as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator [[CreatorKiller the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]'' [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]'' [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode love]].'' Linkara reviewed it]] it as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]'' [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
** ...However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back with regard to Miller's glorious and grisly career. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]'' [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', glorious and grisly career, though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
** ...However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back with regard to Miller's glorious and grisly career.back. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''.
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]'' [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]'' [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end]] of the spectrum]]), spectrum), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
** ...However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back with regard to Miller's glorious and grisly career. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (not true) and morally repugnant, which strongly suggests the satire (however misguided) went over his head.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoon}}s. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]''. love]]'' [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (quite a statement) and morally repugnant. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end end]] of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.
** ...However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back with regard to Miller's glorious and grisly career. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (not true) and morally repugnant, which strongly suggests the satire (however misguided) went over his head.
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an unapologetically racist tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of Batman and Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoons}}. (The book was actually, in fact, supposed to be a Batman comic at first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically it is the most readable of the works listed here. However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back with regard to his glorious and grisly career. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (not true) and morally repugnant, which strongly suggests the satire (however misguided) went over his head.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly unapologetically racist AuthorTract tract against Islamic terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. Catwoman expies. Miller defended it by comparing it to anti-facist cartoons printed in World War II, willfully ignorant about the bigoted and quasi-white supremacist overtones of those {{wartime cartoons}}. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], first, but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing itself is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. event. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, terrorists-in-making, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. as ''[[WhiteMansBurden tough love]]''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically it ''ASBAR'' is the most readable of the works listed here. here.
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However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back with regard to his Miller's glorious and grisly career. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave it was certainly worthy of an anniversary. However, he would later up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read (not true) and morally repugnant, which strongly suggests the satire (however misguided) went over his head.

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* DC Comics' weekly series ''Comicbook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', by most accounts. Bad Writing, bad art, bad characterization, three different names (it started as ''Countdown'', then ''Countdown to Final Crisis'', and the final issue was titled ''DC Universe Zero''), three alternate Earths destroyed to prop up villains fans don't like, tie-in mini-series that explain key plot points that are equally horrible, and an ending that completely contradicted the events that it was created to build up. Shortly after ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' was finished, Dan Didio asked Creator/GrantMorrison to give some of his (work in progress) scripts of the first several issues of ''Final Crisis''; other than that, it was pretty much controlled by Didio. It also pulled away advertising from the infinitely better ''SinestroCorpsWar'' story that was going on at the same time. The whole thing was declared CanonDiscontinuity the minute it was finished, but it still didn't erase the horrible taste it left in readers' mouths. It was so bad that the intended final issue, ''DC Universe #0'', written by Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns, essentially replaced ''Countdown'' as the real lead-up to ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' (the only thing that was acknowledged from ''Countdown'' was Darkseid's death, fall, and reincarnation into a human body as seen in ''SevenSoldiers''). It was built up to be the spine of the DCU, but quickly became the appendix. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] goes over its [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/8982-countdown conception]], all [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/9246-cdp1 52]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/9479-countdown2 issues]], and made a [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/9725-top15count top 15 list]] of the worst moments in the miniseries.

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* DC Comics' weekly series ''Comicbook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', by most accounts. Bad Writing, bad art, bad characterization, three different names (it started as ''Countdown'', then ''Countdown to Final Crisis'', and the final issue was titled ''DC Universe Zero''), three alternate Earths destroyed to prop up villains fans don't like, tie-in mini-series that explain key plot points that are equally horrible, and an ending that completely contradicted the events that it was created to build up. Shortly after ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' was finished, Dan Didio asked Creator/GrantMorrison to give some of his (work in progress) scripts of the first several issues of ''Final Crisis''; other than that, it was pretty much controlled by Didio. It also pulled away advertising from the infinitely better ''SinestroCorpsWar'' story that was going on at the same time. The whole thing was declared CanonDiscontinuity the minute it was finished, but it still didn't erase the horrible taste it left in readers' mouths. It was so bad that the intended final issue, ''DC Universe #0'', written by Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns, essentially replaced ''Countdown'' as the real lead-up to ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' (the only thing that was acknowledged from ''Countdown'' was Darkseid's death, fall, and reincarnation into a human body as seen in ''SevenSoldiers''). It was built up to be the spine of the DCU, but quickly became the appendix. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] goes over its [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/8982-countdown conception]], all [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/9246-cdp1 52]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/9479-countdown2 issues]], and made a [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/9725-top15count top 15 list]] of the worst moments in the miniseries.



** [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/3252-superman-at-earths-end At least two good things came out of it]]: "[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall I AM]] [[CatchPhrase A MAN!]]" and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgR3N8y4boQ "Of course! Don't you know anything about science?"]]

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** [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/3252-superman-at-earths-end At least two good things came out of it]]: "[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall "'''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall I AM]] [[CatchPhrase A MAN!]]" MAN!]]'''" and [[http://www."'''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgR3N8y4boQ "Of course! Don't you know anything about science?"]]science?!]]'''"



* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'', written by Bill Jemas, was created on a bet between him and Creator/PeterDavid to see who could write a better selling comic. The problem here is that at the time he worked for Marvel, Jemas was an '''editor'''. And boy, does it show. The book is filled with terrible jokes that feel like they were stolen from a rejected Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg script, ham-fisted political commentary, characters from the mainline Marvel universe showing up just to act out of character and do unfunny things, heaping piles of CriticalResearchFailure and countless plotholes, and tons of [[TakeThat mean-spirited digs at DC and Peter David]] while Marvel got off scot-free. Eventually, this fell in favor of what read like a ComicBook/ChickTract... as adapted à la ''ShoggothOnTheRoof'' by a schizophrenic primary-schooler. For instance, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} evolved from an otter (it's apparently an oblique, and rather unflattering, reference to a scrapped backstory for the character) and, through some reason or another, either becomes immortal or gets a long line of {{Identical Grandson}}s (the comic can't pick one). In the same issue, {{Jesus}} Christ is called "the first superhero"[[note]]for those not in the know, this is completely untrue on so many levels, no matter how you interpret Jesus[[/note]]. The last two issues were a recap of the series and a guide on how to submit scripts to a now-defunct comic line. Bonus points: the third issue had no speech bubbles, with the text pushed to either end of the panel, script style. Also, the ContemptibleCover art featuring a red-haired woman [[CoversAlwaysLie (who appeared nowhere in the comic)]] in various states of undress when Jemas was certain he'd lose the bet (he did), with the last issues moving these to variants and using [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine-themed covers]]. Along with a blog recapping it as "[[http://4thletter.net/2009/03/the-marville-horror-part-1-better-sales-through-self-immolation/ The Marville Horror]]", [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2012/01/marville-1.html Linkara]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2012/04/marville-2.html has]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2012/09/marville-3.html also]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2013/02/marville-4.html ripped]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2013/07/marville-5.html it]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/marville-6-7.html apart]].
** Possibly the most disturbing part of the entire comic is centered around how Bill Jemas not only thinks, [[CannotTellFictionFromReality but BELIEVES everything he's written in the comic]] (Issue 6 flat out says the entire miniseries' purpose was to "explore the origin and meaning of life"), meaning that he genuinely believes that [[ItMakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext duckbilled dinosaurs spoke English and were Jewish, Wolverine was the first human being, and that he evolved from an otter.]] Not only did he major in '''history''', but he was also the vice president of Marvel at the time of the series' making (which was also a time of financial difficulty, mind you), making the resulting product all the more baffling and horrifying to think about.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'', written by Bill Jemas, was created on a bet between him and Creator/PeterDavid to see who could write a better selling comic. The problem here is that at the time he worked for Marvel, Jemas was an '''editor'''. And boy, does it show. The book is filled with terrible jokes that feel like they were stolen from a rejected Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg script, ham-fisted political commentary, characters from the mainline Marvel universe showing up just to act out of character and do unfunny things, heaping piles of CriticalResearchFailure and countless plotholes, and tons of [[TakeThat mean-spirited digs at DC and Peter David]] while Marvel got off scot-free. Eventually, this fell in favor of what read like a ComicBook/ChickTract... as adapted à la ''ShoggothOnTheRoof'' by a schizophrenic primary-schooler. For instance, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} evolved from an otter (it's apparently an oblique, and rather unflattering, reference to a scrapped backstory for the character) and, through some reason or another, either becomes immortal or gets a long line of {{Identical Grandson}}s (the comic can't pick one). In the same issue, {{Jesus}} Christ is called "the first superhero"[[note]]for those not in the know, this is completely untrue on so many levels, no matter how you interpret Jesus[[/note]]. The last two issues were a recap of the series and a guide on how to submit scripts to a now-defunct comic line. Bonus points: the third issue had no speech bubbles, with the text pushed to either end of the panel, script style. Also, the ContemptibleCover art featuring a red-haired woman [[CoversAlwaysLie (who appeared nowhere in the comic)]] in various states of undress when Jemas was certain he'd lose the bet (he did), with the last issues moving these to variants and using [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine-themed covers]]. Along with a Unsurprisingly, Linkara said 'bring in the Gimp' and trashed it, as did an entertaining blog recapping it as series titled "[[http://4thletter.net/2009/03/the-marville-horror-part-1-better-sales-through-self-immolation/ The Marville Horror]]", [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2012/01/marville-1.html Linkara]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2012/04/marville-2.html has]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2012/09/marville-3.html also]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2013/02/marville-4.html ripped]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2013/07/marville-5.html it]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/marville-6-7.html apart]].
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** Possibly the most disturbing part of the entire comic is centered around how Bill Jemas not only thinks, [[CannotTellFictionFromReality but BELIEVES BELIEVES]] everything he's written in the comic]] comic (Issue 6 flat out says the entire miniseries' purpose was to "explore the origin and meaning of life"), meaning that he genuinely believes that [[ItMakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Masonic duckbilled dinosaurs spoke English existed, evolution is a farce, environmentalists are pussies, and were Jewish, Wolverine was the first human being, and that perhaps most incredulously, Creator/PeterDavid is a worse writer than he evolved from an otter.]] is. Not only did he this loon major in '''history''', but he was also the vice president of Marvel at the time of the series' making (which was also a time of financial difficulty, mind you), making the resulting product all the more baffling and horrifying to think about.



* Creator/JephLoeb's ''TheUltimates 3'' is accused of having exceptionally-poor writing and {{Flanderization}} ''en masse''. Many critics argue that Loeb doesn't seem to have bothered reading any of the other books in the UltimateUniverse or familiarizing himself with their characters, and has merely made the characters caricatures of their counterparts in Earth-616 regardless of whether this is appropriate. It was loaded with {{Plot Hole}}s, DarthWiki/{{WallBanger}}s, and stupid, ''stupid'' writing mistakes. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] has reviewed [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/01/ultimates-3-1-and-2.html all]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/02/ultimates-3-3-and-4.html five]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/02/ultimates-3-5.html issues]].
** And then there's ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}''. A sickening capstone to a once-promising line of comics, a capitulation by Marvel Comics that they could give two craps about ''X-Men'' any more, an incoherent clusterfuck which confirms every negative stereotype about [[CrisisCrossover crossover]]s, filled to bursting with [[CListFodder meaningless and cruel deaths]], [[ContemplateOurNavels leaden dialogue]], bad artwork, and all for no apparent purpose other than to "[[RocksFallEveryoneDies wipe the slate clean.]]"
** Once again, watch Linkara rip it to shreds, [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-1-2.html here]], [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-3-4.html here]], and [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-5.html here]].

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* Creator/JephLoeb's ''TheUltimates 3'' is accused of having exceptionally-poor writing and {{Flanderization}} ''en masse''. Many critics argue that Loeb doesn't seem to have bothered reading any of the other books in the UltimateUniverse or familiarizing himself with their characters, and has merely made the characters caricatures of their counterparts in Earth-616 regardless of whether this is appropriate. It was loaded with {{Plot Hole}}s, DarthWiki/{{WallBanger}}s, and stupid, ''stupid'' writing mistakes. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] has reviewed [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/01/ultimates-3-1-and-2.html all]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/02/ultimates-3-3-and-4.html five]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/02/ultimates-3-5.html issues]].
mistakes.
** And then there's ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}''. A sickening capstone to a once-promising line of comics, a capitulation by Marvel Comics that they could give two craps about ''X-Men'' any more, an incoherent clusterfuck which confirms every negative stereotype about [[CrisisCrossover crossover]]s, filled to bursting with [[CListFodder meaningless and cruel deaths]], [[ContemplateOurNavels leaden dialogue]], bad artwork, and all for no apparent purpose other than to "[[RocksFallEveryoneDies wipe the slate clean.]]"
** Once again, watch Linkara rip it to shreds, [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-1-2.html here]], [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-3-4.html here]], and [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-5.html here]].
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]]. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal. He would later go on to call it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing morally repugnant.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end end]] of Frankie's ''oeuvre'', though ironically it is the most readable of the works listed here. However we're including it for the sake of completion, since it proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back with regard to his glorious and insane career]]. grisly career. The books are essentially Miller taking the piss out of the comics community for their wholesale indoctrination into TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks which he himself co-originated, with sideswipes at Creator/AlanMoore, Creator/MarkMillar, and even his own product. Admittedly, the line between satire and sincerity with Miller can be difficult to spot. However with lines like "Outta my way, sperm bank" and "I’m the goddamn Batman and I can call my goddamn car whatever the hell I want to call it", it's more likely that Miller just wants to move on and stop being reminded of ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns''. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one it was certainly worthy of his most brutal. He an anniversary. However, he would later go on to call up the ante by calling it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing read (not true) and morally repugnant.repugnant, which strongly suggests the satire (however misguided) went over his head.
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* ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his daughter in the annihilation of his hometown Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed of the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because who's Lian?

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* ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his daughter in the annihilation of his hometown Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed of over the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because who's Lian?
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* ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his daughter in the annihilation of his hometown Star City (a knock-off of Hal Jordan's madness after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed of the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because who's Lian?

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* ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his daughter in the annihilation of his hometown Star City (a knock-off of [[ComicBook/ZeroHour Hal Jordan's madness madness]] after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed of the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because who's Lian?
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* ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his daughter in the annihilation of his hometown Star City (a knock-off of Hal Jordan's madness after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild wide by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed of the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because who's Lian?

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* ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf when it comes to this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his daughter in the annihilation of his hometown Star City (a knock-off of Hal Jordan's madness after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with the phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild wide side by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed of the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian didn't die because who's Lian?

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