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->''So many terrible things happen in this comic: Roy ranking how good the girls he dated are in bed, beating a woman with an extension cord because ''"she likes it rough,"'' impotence, heroin, and beating up junkies to protect a dead cat that Roy thought was his dead daughter. It's like [[DorkAge the absurdity of the '90s]] fucked [[DarkerAndEdgier the grittiness of the '80s]] and then they both doubled-teamed decency until...you know, I could go on here but then I'd be getting as graphically vile as this title itself.''

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->''So many terrible things happen in this comic: Roy ranking how good the girls he dated are in bed, beating a woman with an extension cord because ''"she likes it rough,"'' impotence, heroin, and beating up junkies to protect a dead cat that Roy thought was his dead daughter. It's ->''It's like [[DorkAge the absurdity of the '90s]] fucked [[DarkerAndEdgier [[TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks the grittiness of the '80s]] and then they both doubled-teamed decency until...you know, I could go on here but then I'd be getting as graphically vile as this title itself.''



'''''Second Important Note:''''' It is not a Horrible comic just because [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] or any other CausticCritic reviewed it. There needs to be independent evidence to list it. (Though once it is listed, they can provide the detailed review.)

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'''''Second Important Note:''''' It is not a Horrible comic just because [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] (who has reviewed most the ones listed) or any other CausticCritic reviewed it.declared it so. There needs to be independent evidence to list it. (Though once it is listed, they can provide the detailed review.)



* The miniseries ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' was thrown together last-minute to cover delays in ''Franchise/WonderWoman'', and was nothing more than CharacterDerailment for the entire Amazon people, turning them either into {{Straw Feminist}}s or complete morons by way of IdiotPlot, with {{plot hole}}s aplenty. The initial attack is because Franchise/WonderWoman was tortured; later, it's stated that they decided to do it because they hate men. The reason Wonder Woman was tortured was to learn the Amazon secret technology; later, the heroes figure out that the Amazons aren't behind a certain attack ''because'' it's high-tech. Wonder Woman herself is presented as [[FauxActionGirl absolutely helpless throughout]]; she confronts her clearly-brainwashed mother at least ''thrice'' without thinking to use her lasso, which has previously been shown in-canon as ''able to break brainwashing''. The US Army is [[RockBeatsLaser challenged by spears and bows and arrows]] — an arrow pierces a cockpit at one point; Air Force One is chased down by women on flying horses. Also, unless you read the tie-ins, the characters who ''are'' Amazons (Wonder Woman and Donna Troy) or affiliated with the Amazons (Wonder Girl and Super Girl) barely appear for the first half of the series. Icing on the cake? Those tie-ins, where most of the big plot points happen, got left out of the trade paperback collection. It's obvious that the creators didn't research the characters' past or the history of Franchise/{{the DCU}} Amazons at all. Oh, and the Amazons' secret weapon is [[BeeBeeGun bees. My God.]] To make matters worse, the entire series was a lead-in to ''Countdown''... which is at least as reviled as ''Amazons Attack''. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] has [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/5273-amazons-attack-1-and-2 reviewed the]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/5425-amazons-attack-3-and-4 entire]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/5595-amazons-attack-5-and-6 miniseries.]]
* ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' (nicknamed "Gay for Justice" by readers, thanks to some unfortunate lettering styles), a DC miniseries by James Robinson that featured [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] trying to create a [[HeroesActVillainsHinder proactive]] Justice League (because that always ends well). The series features gratuitous gore and violence, characters being dismembered, horrible writing and gross characterization, and everyone constantly shouting "[[ForGreatJustice For justice]]!" Put it this way — when the author directly and explicitly apologizes to the fans over the quality of the work, ''twice'', '''before the series has finished''', then you know you're dealing with something '''awful'''. It was pointlessly DarkerAndEdgier, even killing off Lian Harper last-minute for no real reason, and that was just one among a great almighty ''fuckload'' of senseless deaths. Robinson got himself under all manner of fire for its release, despite the fact that he fought tooth-and-nail against the editors, who wanted much, much more in the pointless death and destruction departments. Not two years later, it and both of its follow-ups were retconned in full. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/29265-justice-league-cry-for-justice-1-2 It]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/29356-justice-league-cry-for-justice-3-4 got]] [[http://at4w.blip.tv/file/4674807/ featured]] on ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall,'' if you're interested, and it features Linkara, who is normally one of the most dedicated TGWTG reviewers when it comes to maintaining his character, breaking character and growling with ''legitimate'' rage during the aforementioned murder of Lian Harper.

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* The miniseries ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' was thrown together last-minute to cover delays in ''Franchise/WonderWoman'', and was nothing more than CharacterDerailment for the entire Amazon people, turning them either into {{Straw Feminist}}s or complete morons by way of IdiotPlot, with {{plot hole}}s aplenty. The initial attack is because Franchise/WonderWoman was tortured; later, it's stated that they decided to do it because they hate men. The reason Wonder Woman was tortured was to learn the Amazon secret technology; later, the heroes figure out that the Amazons aren't behind a certain attack ''because'' it's high-tech. Wonder Woman herself is presented as [[FauxActionGirl absolutely helpless throughout]]; she confronts her clearly-brainwashed mother at least ''thrice'' without thinking to use her lasso, which has previously been shown in-canon as ''able to break brainwashing''. The US Army is [[RockBeatsLaser challenged by spears and bows and arrows]] — an arrow pierces a cockpit at one point; Air Force One is chased down by women on flying horses. Also, unless you read the tie-ins, the characters who ''are'' Amazons (Wonder Woman and Donna Troy) or affiliated with the Amazons (Wonder Girl and Super Girl) barely appear for the first half of the series. Icing on the cake? Those tie-ins, where most of the big plot points happen, got left out of the trade paperback collection. It's obvious that the creators didn't research the characters' past or the history of Franchise/{{the DCU}} Amazons at all. Oh, and the Amazons' secret weapon is [[BeeBeeGun bees. My God.]] To make matters worse, the entire series was a lead-in to ''Countdown''... which is at least as reviled as ''Amazons Attack''. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] has [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/5273-amazons-attack-1-and-2 reviewed the]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/5425-amazons-attack-3-and-4 entire]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/5595-amazons-attack-5-and-6 miniseries.]]
Attack''.
* ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' (nicknamed "Gay for Justice" by readers, thanks to some unfortunate lettering styles), a DC miniseries by James Robinson that featured [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] trying to create a [[HeroesActVillainsHinder proactive]] Justice League (because that always ends well). The series features gratuitous gore and violence, characters being dismembered, horrible writing and gross characterization, and everyone constantly shouting "[[ForGreatJustice For justice]]!" Put it this way — when the author directly and explicitly apologizes to the fans over the quality of the work, ''twice'', '''before the series has finished''', then you know you're dealing with something '''awful'''. It was pointlessly DarkerAndEdgier, laughably "edgy", even killing off Lian Harper last-minute for no real reason, and that at the eleventh hour, which was just one among a great almighty ''fuckload'' of many senseless deaths.deaths that didn't advanced the storyline. Robinson got himself under all manner of fire for its release, despite the fact that he fought tooth-and-nail against the editors, who wanted much, much more in the pointless death and destruction departments. Not two years later, it and both of its follow-ups were retconned in full. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/29265-justice-league-cry-for-justice-1-2 It]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/29356-justice-league-cry-for-justice-3-4 got]] [[http://at4w.blip.tv/file/4674807/ featured]] on ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall,'' if you're interested, and it features Linkara, who is normally one of the most dedicated TGWTG reviewers more conservative Channel Awesome personalities, broke character and growled with ''visceral'' rage during the murder of Lian Harper.
* ''Arsenal Rising'' is a odd example to cover because it may very well be a {{Poe|slaw}}. The trouble is DC is so tone-deaf
when it comes to maintaining this sort of content that it's hard to tell. The story actual begins in ''FinalCrisis'', after the protagonist loses his character, breaking character and growling daughter in the annihilation of his hometown Star City (a knock-off of Hal Jordan's madness after the nuking of Coast City, but the comics business is one of repetition). ComicBook/GreenArrow's former sidekick Roy Harper, who was the subject of an acclaimed drug awareness plotline in the seventies (when he was known as "Speedy"), fell {{off the wagon}} after losing his arm. Harper, currently known as Arsenal, began a rampant pill addiction to cope with ''legitimate'' rage during the aforementioned murder phantom pains of his missing limb. All well and good, but Roy decides to take a walk on the wild wide by indulging in mild S&M (as usual, DC is at sea when it come to believable kinky sex), whipping his late daughter's mother with an extension cord, coping with [[strike:erectile dysfunction]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything nanite poisoning]], hallucinating that his daughter is alive and carrying her around town without realizing it's actually a moldy dead cat, and Batman playing some sweet chin music on Roy (the highlight of the book), but not before Roy brutally tortures and kills a man tangentially responsible for Star City. Anyway, like most of the boners DC has printed of the years it got {{cosmic retcon}}ned the following year, this time in ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''. Now Roy never lost his arm and his daughter Lian Harper. didn't die because who's Lian?
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->''So many terrible things happen in this comic: Roy ranking how good the girls he dated are in bed, beating a woman with an extension cord because ''"she likes it rough,"'' impotence, heroin, and beating up junkies to protect a dead cat that Roy thought was his dead daughter. It's like [[DorkAge the absurdity of the '90s]] fucked [[DarkAndEdgier the grittiness of the '80s and then they both doubled-teamed decency until...you know, I could go on here but then I'd be getting as graphically vile as this title itself.''

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->''So many terrible things happen in this comic: Roy ranking how good the girls he dated are in bed, beating a woman with an extension cord because ''"she likes it rough,"'' impotence, heroin, and beating up junkies to protect a dead cat that Roy thought was his dead daughter. It's like [[DorkAge the absurdity of the '90s]] fucked [[DarkAndEdgier [[DarkerAndEdgier the grittiness of the '80s '80s]] and then they both doubled-teamed decency until...you know, I could go on here but then I'd be getting as graphically vile as this title itself.''
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->''"I '''hate''' this comic. I hate '''everything''' about this comic! I never want to see it ever again! I don't want to remember that it exists! Creator/JoeQuesada, '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis You! Are! A! HACK!!!]]"'''''
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]''', explaining why he refused to review ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' for so long.

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->''"I '''hate''' ->''So many terrible things happen in this comic. comic: Roy ranking how good the girls he dated are in bed, beating a woman with an extension cord because ''"she likes it rough,"'' impotence, heroin, and beating up junkies to protect a dead cat that Roy thought was his dead daughter. It's like [[DorkAge the absurdity of the '90s]] fucked [[DarkAndEdgier the grittiness of the '80s and then they both doubled-teamed decency until...you know, I hate '''everything''' about could go on here but then I'd be getting as graphically vile as this comic! I never want to see it ever again! I don't want to remember that it exists! Creator/JoeQuesada, '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis You! Are! A! HACK!!!]]"'''''
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]''', explaining why he refused to review ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' for so long.
title itself.''
-->--'''''Blog/ToplessRobot''''' on ''Arsenal Rising'', [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/12/the_5_best_and_5_worst_comics_of_2010.php?page=2 "The 5 Best and Worst Comics of 2010"]]
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** And then there's ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}''. A sickening capstone to a once-promising line of comics, a capitulation by Marvel Comics that could give two craps about the ''X-Men'' any more, an incoherent clusterfuck which confirms every negative stereotype about [[CrisisCrossover crossover]]s, filled to bursting with [[CListFodder meaningless and cruel deaths]], [[ContemplateOurNavels leaden dialogue]], bad artwork, and all for no apparent purpose other than to "[[RocksFallEveryoneDies wipe the slate clean.]]"

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** And then there's ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}''. A sickening capstone to a once-promising line of comics, a capitulation by Marvel Comics that they could give two craps about the ''X-Men'' any more, an incoherent clusterfuck which confirms every negative stereotype about [[CrisisCrossover crossover]]s, filled to bursting with [[CListFodder meaningless and cruel deaths]], [[ContemplateOurNavels leaden dialogue]], bad artwork, and all for no apparent purpose other than to "[[RocksFallEveryoneDies wipe the slate clean.]]"

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** And then there's ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}'', a CrisisCrossover which is filled to the brim with [[DroppedABridgeOnHim meaningless and cruel deaths]], [[ContemplateOurNavels pretentious dialogue]], the same characterization flaws as ''Ultimates 3'', ArtisticLicensePhysics, and all kinds of [[BloodierAndGorier violent, gory]] deaths that served no purpose other than to apparently "wipe the slate clean." Once again, watch Linkara rip it to shreds, [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-1-2.html here]], [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-3-4.html here]], and [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-5.html here]].

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** And then there's ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}'', ''Comicbook/{{Ultimatum}}''. A sickening capstone to a CrisisCrossover once-promising line of comics, a capitulation by Marvel Comics that could give two craps about the ''X-Men'' any more, an incoherent clusterfuck which is confirms every negative stereotype about [[CrisisCrossover crossover]]s, filled to the brim bursting with [[DroppedABridgeOnHim [[CListFodder meaningless and cruel deaths]], [[ContemplateOurNavels pretentious leaden dialogue]], the same characterization flaws as ''Ultimates 3'', ArtisticLicensePhysics, bad artwork, and all kinds of [[BloodierAndGorier violent, gory]] deaths that served for no apparent purpose other than to apparently "wipe "[[RocksFallEveryoneDies wipe the slate clean." ]]"
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Once again, watch Linkara rip it to shreds, [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-1-2.html here]], [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-3-4.html here]], and [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/05/ultimatum-5.html here]].
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** It acted as a massive ResetButton on the Spider-Books as a whole, retconning not just Peter and MJ's marriage (which might have been tolerable), but Spidey's ''[[TheUnmasking public unmasking]]'' during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' arc (which they expressly stated would not be undone, [=LOLno=]). This is the kind of ham-fisted reivisonism you'd normally see in DC Comics, which reboots the entire universe every time a movie comes out.

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** It acted as a massive ResetButton on the Spider-Books as a whole, retconning not just Peter and MJ's marriage (which might have been tolerable), but Spidey's ''[[TheUnmasking public unmasking]]'' during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' arc (which they expressly stated would not be undone, [=LOLno=]). This is the kind of ham-fisted reivisonism you'd revisionism you normally see in DC Comics, which reboots rebooting the entire universe every time a new movie comes out.is announced.
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* The ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' storyline ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' is perhaps the most infamous case of ExecutiveMeddling since ComicBook/TheCloneSaga. ''Decades'' of continuity and characterization were DiabolusExMachina'd out of existence because Creator/JoeQuesada, Marvel's editor-in-chief at the time, hated the darker aspects of Spidey's character. (Interestingly, The Clone Saga was conceived for the exact same reason, but that's another can of worms...) Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, the writer for this storyline, hated every minute of it and tried hard to get himself disassociated with it. It goes like this--Spider Man's aunt May takes a bullet and is about to die. [[ReedRichardsIsUseless Somehow, nobody in the Marvel Universe can do anything to change that.]] So, in a move wholly detached from reality and maturity, he makes a DealWithTheDevil to save Aunt May's life (against her wishes, by the way)... in exchange for his marriage and much of his relationship with Mary-Jane being erased from history. It was contrived to the point of stupidity, worse in that Quesada claimed having them just plain divorce would piss people off and made only the flimsiest attempts to justify his actions (he was even accused of [[DidntThinkThisThrough wholly disregarding any impact]] this would have on anything).

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* The ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' storyline ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' is perhaps the most infamous case of ExecutiveMeddling since ComicBook/TheCloneSaga. ''Decades'' of continuity and characterization were DiabolusExMachina'd out of existence because Creator/JoeQuesada, Marvel's editor-in-chief at the time, hated the darker more modern aspects of Spidey's character. (Interestingly, The Clone Saga was conceived for the exact same reason, but that's another can of worms...) Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, the writer for this storyline, hated every minute of it and tried hard to get himself disassociated with it. It goes like this--Spider Man's aunt May takes a bullet and is about to die. [[ReedRichardsIsUseless Somehow, nobody in the Marvel Universe can do anything to change that.]] So, in a move wholly detached from reality and maturity, he makes a DealWithTheDevil to save Aunt May's life (against her wishes, by the way)... in exchange for his marriage and much of his relationship with Mary-Jane being erased from history. It was contrived to the point of stupidity, worse in that Quesada claimed that having them just plain divorce would piss people off make the audience feel cheated. More likely, Joe no longer recognized the Spider-Man from his youth and made only the flimsiest attempts wanted to justify his actions (he was even accused of [[DidntThinkThisThrough wholly disregarding any impact]] this would have on anything). [[NostalgiaFilter return to a simpler time.]]

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* The ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' storyline ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' is perhaps the most hated case of ExecutiveMeddling since Michael Grade's tenure on ''Series/DoctorWho''. ''Decades'' of continuity and characterization were DiabolusExMachina'd out of existence because Creator/JoeQuesada, Marvel's editor-in-chief at the time, hated certain aspects of Spidey's character. Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, the writer for this storyline, hated every minute of it and tried hard to get himself disassociated with it. It goes like this--Spider Man's aunt May takes a bullet and is about to die. [[ReedRichardsIsUseless Somehow, nobody in the Marvel Universe can do anything to change that.]] So, in a move wholly detached from reality and maturity, he makes a DealWithTheDevil to save Aunt May's life (against her wishes, by the way)... in exchange for his marriage and much of his relationship with Mary-Jane being erased from history. It was contrived to the point of stupidity, worse in that Quesada claimed having them just plain divorce would piss people off and made only the flimsiest attempts to justify his actions (he was even accused of [[DidntThinkThisThrough wholly disregarding any impact]] [[TheyJustDidntCare this would have on anything]]). It essentially created its own ContinuitySnarl by re-introducing elements that were never relevant in the first place, was full of {{Voodoo Shark}}s, retcons (the biggest of all being Spidey's ''[[Comicbook/CivilWar public unmasking]],'' which they expressly stated would ''not'' be undone) and overall stupidity on the part of all involved. Linkara finally reviewed it for his [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/36077-at4w-200th-episode 200th episode.]]
** It should probably be noted that the reason Straczynski objected to the story to the degree that he did was not actually due to the story's quality and more to do with the fact that his original proposal for it (which would have had Peter help Harry Osborn through his drug problems) had been turned down, a proposal that would've jettisoned ''three and a half'' decades of continuity (as opposed to the two that that final product did away with). Whether this would've been better or worse than what we got is [[BrokenBase debatable]], and that three and a half decades would've included nearly every infamously-awful ''Spider-Man'' story ever told, such as ComicBook/TheCloneSaga and ''[[CharacterDerailment Sins]] [[{{Squick}} Past]]'', which remained in-continuity in the story that ended up being told.

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* The ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' storyline ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' is perhaps the most hated infamous case of ExecutiveMeddling since Michael Grade's tenure on ''Series/DoctorWho''. ComicBook/TheCloneSaga. ''Decades'' of continuity and characterization were DiabolusExMachina'd out of existence because Creator/JoeQuesada, Marvel's editor-in-chief at the time, hated certain the darker aspects of Spidey's character. (Interestingly, The Clone Saga was conceived for the exact same reason, but that's another can of worms...) Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, the writer for this storyline, hated every minute of it and tried hard to get himself disassociated with it. It goes like this--Spider Man's aunt May takes a bullet and is about to die. [[ReedRichardsIsUseless Somehow, nobody in the Marvel Universe can do anything to change that.]] So, in a move wholly detached from reality and maturity, he makes a DealWithTheDevil to save Aunt May's life (against her wishes, by the way)... in exchange for his marriage and much of his relationship with Mary-Jane being erased from history. It was contrived to the point of stupidity, worse in that Quesada claimed having them just plain divorce would piss people off and made only the flimsiest attempts to justify his actions (he was even accused of [[DidntThinkThisThrough wholly disregarding any impact]] [[TheyJustDidntCare this would have on anything]]). anything).
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It essentially created its own ContinuitySnarl by re-introducing elements that were never relevant in acted as a massive ResetButton on the first place, was full of {{Voodoo Shark}}s, retcons (the biggest of all being Spider-Books as a whole, retconning not just Peter and MJ's marriage (which might have been tolerable), but Spidey's ''[[Comicbook/CivilWar ''[[TheUnmasking public unmasking]],'' which unmasking]]'' during the ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' arc (which they expressly stated would ''not'' not be undone) and overall stupidity on undone, [=LOLno=]). This is the part kind of all involved. Linkara finally reviewed it for his [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/36077-at4w-200th-episode 200th episode.]]
ham-fisted reivisonism you'd normally see in DC Comics, which reboots the entire universe every time a movie comes out.
** It should probably be noted that the reason Straczynski objected to the story to the degree that he did was not actually due to the story's quality and more to do with the fact that his original proposal for it (which would have had Peter help Harry Osborn through his drug problems) had been turned down, a proposal that would've jettisoned ''three and a half'' decades of continuity (as opposed to the two that that final product did away with). Whether this would've been better or worse than what we got is [[BrokenBase debatable]], and that three and a half decades would've included nearly every infamously-awful ''Spider-Man'' story ever told, such as ComicBook/TheCloneSaga and ''[[CharacterDerailment Sins]] [[{{Squick}} Past]]'', which remained in-continuity in no matter how disgusted writers/readers were with the story that ended up being told.results.
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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]]. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal. He would later go on to call it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing morally repugnant.

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* ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]]. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal. He would later go on to call it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing morally repugnant.
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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While whether one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done attributed to [[ForTheEvulz pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil.]]), virtually everyone who opposes them made out to be a hero from communists on the left and Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who are support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sezual imagery are used to reinforce his "points", and his Dethroning Moment of Suck was his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed. He's also quick to jump on the boat when there is any kind of tragedy in the Middle East, but whenever there's a tragedy in the West, he still regards it as the restul of flaws in the country, and are sometimes seem so simple that is like he's doing because he has to. He's also said to be incredibly rude, deleting any comment on his art that doesn't agree with him exactly, including, presumably, people who try to be voices of reason offering constructive criticism. Which is a shame, as he has drawn some surprisingly heartwarming cartoons advocating peace in the Middle East or at the very least showing individual Israelis in positive light. It certainly doesn't help that some of his depictions are completely inaccurate.

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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While whether one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done attributed to [[ForTheEvulz pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil.]]), virtually ]]). Virtually everyone who opposes them is made out to be a hero hero, from communists on the left and to Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who are support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sezual sexual imagery are used to reinforce his "points", and his Dethroning Moment of Suck was Suck: his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed. He's also quick to jump on the boat when there is any kind of tragedy in the Middle East, but whenever there's a tragedy in the West, he still regards it as the restul result of flaws in the country, and are his art sometimes seem so simple that is it's like he's doing it because he has to. He's also said to be incredibly rude, deleting any comment on his art that doesn't agree with him exactly, including, presumably, people who try to be voices of reason offering constructive criticism. Which is a shame, as he has drawn some surprisingly heartwarming cartoons advocating peace in the Middle East or at the very least showing individual Israelis in positive light. It certainly doesn't help that some of his depictions are completely inaccurate.
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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]]. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal. He would later go on to call it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing morally repugnant.

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* ''Holy Terror'' ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]]. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal. He would later go on to call it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing morally repugnant.
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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal. He would later go on to call it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing morally repugnant.

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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]]. [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal. He would later go on to call it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing morally repugnant.
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The original entry was both better written and more neutral.


** It should be noted that the main reason Straczynski did what he did was due to the fact that he couldn't do ''his'' version of the story. While the final version just erased the marriage and left a good deal of continuity alone, JMS's version would have went ''too'' far - he would have had Peter help Harry Osborn through his drug problems, essentially rendering ''three-and-a-half decades of continuity'' for not only Spider-Man, but the ''entire Marvel Universe'', essentially creating an alternate timeline for the entire Marvel Universe.

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** It should probably be noted that the main reason Straczynski did what objected to the story to the degree that he did was not actually due to the story's quality and more to do with the fact that he couldn't do ''his'' version of the story. While the final version just erased the marriage and left a good deal of continuity alone, JMS's version would have went ''too'' far - he his original proposal for it (which would have had Peter help Harry Osborn through his drug problems, essentially rendering ''three-and-a-half problems) had been turned down, a proposal that would've jettisoned ''three and a half'' decades of continuity'' for not only Spider-Man, but continuity (as opposed to the ''entire Marvel Universe'', essentially creating an alternate timeline for two that that final product did away with). Whether this would've been better or worse than what we got is [[BrokenBase debatable]], and that three and a half decades would've included nearly every infamously-awful ''Spider-Man'' story ever told, such as ComicBook/TheCloneSaga and ''[[CharacterDerailment Sins]] [[{{Squick}} Past]]'', which remained in-continuity in the entire Marvel Universe.story that ended up being told.
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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal.

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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal. He would later go on to call it the worst comic he's ever read, calling the entire thing morally repugnant.
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You can change it back if you wish. I just feel it should be elaborated on.


** It should probably be noted that the reason Straczynski objected to the story to the degree that he did was not actually due to the story's quality and more to do with the fact that his original proposal for it had been turned down, a proposal that would've jettisoned ''three and a half'' decades of continuity (as opposed to the two that that final product did away with). Whether this would've been better or worse than what we got is [[BrokenBase debatable]], and that three and a half decades would've included nearly every infamously-awful ''Spider-Man'' story ever told, such as ComicBook/TheCloneSaga and ''[[CharacterDerailment Sins]] [[{{Squick}} Past]]'', which remained in-continuity in the story that ended up being told.

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** It should probably be noted that the main reason Straczynski objected to the story to the degree that did what he did was not actually due to the story's quality and more to do with the fact that his original proposal for it had been turned down, a proposal that would've jettisoned ''three he couldn't do ''his'' version of the story. While the final version just erased the marriage and left a half'' decades good deal of continuity (as opposed to the two that that final product did away with). Whether this would've been better or worse than what we got is [[BrokenBase debatable]], and that three and a half alone, JMS's version would have went ''too'' far - he would have had Peter help Harry Osborn through his drug problems, essentially rendering ''three-and-a-half decades would've included nearly every infamously-awful ''Spider-Man'' story ever told, such as ComicBook/TheCloneSaga and ''[[CharacterDerailment Sins]] [[{{Squick}} Past]]'', which remained in-continuity in of continuity'' for not only Spider-Man, but the story that ended up being told.''entire Marvel Universe'', essentially creating an alternate timeline for the entire Marvel Universe.
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* The artist of ''Minimum Security'' (see below) collaborated with another author to make ''As the World Burns'', a graphic novel starring the characters from ''Minimum Security'', who rant about how terrible modern society is. The graphic novel ends with a speech about how [[LuddWasRight humans should destroy everything and go back to being hunter-gatherers]].

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* The artist of ''Minimum Security'' (see below) collaborated with another author to make ''As the World Burns'', a graphic novel starring the characters from ''Minimum Security'', who rant about how terrible modern society is. The graphic novel ends with a speech about how [[LuddWasRight humans should destroy everything and go back to being hunter-gatherers]]. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Even if you do agree with their views]], the artwork is still atrocious -- everything is drawn with all the skill of a second-grader, humans look like either grotesque caricatures or creepy baby dolls, and animals look like furry blobs that only vaguely resemble what they're supposed to.
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* ''The Avengers #200'', the issue that had ComicBook/MsMarvel PutOnABus, is an IdiotPlot filled with UnfortunateImplications concerning its plot. It involves the sudden, inexplicable three day pregnancy of Ms. Marvel, which the other Avengers treat as is if were a regular pregnancy, ignorant of the abnormalities of the situation and the trauma it would bring to the woman. After the birth of the baby, and giving it access to their tools, it is revealed to the Avengers that it is actually an extradimensional being named Marcus that brought Ms. Marvel to Limbo for an instant and forcibly impregnated her so that he may escape the dimension. While this is supposed to portray Marcus as a victim of his environment as all the Avengers except Hawkeye sympathize with him, it doesn't change the fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic he raped someone for his own benefit]]. To add insult to the character of Ms. Marvel, she also sympathizes with him and decides to leave with him to limbo after his machine was destroyed. She didn't return to comics for a year until ''Avengers Annual #10'', the issue where Ms. Marvel [[FromBadToWorse loses her powers and memories to Rogue]]. Jim Shooter, one of the writers of the issue, [[http://www.jimshooter.com/2011/12/avengers-200.html regrets having been involved in it.]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/42795-avengers-200 Linkara]] also took a look at it.

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* ''The Avengers #200'', the issue that had ComicBook/MsMarvel PutOnABus, is an IdiotPlot filled with UnfortunateImplications concerning its plot. It involves the sudden, inexplicable three day pregnancy of Ms. Marvel, which the other Avengers treat as is if were a regular pregnancy, ignorant of the abnormalities of the situation and the trauma it would bring to the woman. After the birth of the baby, and giving it access to their tools, it is revealed to the Avengers that it is actually an extradimensional being named Marcus that brought Ms. Marvel to Limbo for an instant and forcibly impregnated her so that he may escape the dimension. While this is supposed to portray Marcus as a victim of his environment as all the Avengers except Hawkeye sympathize with him, it doesn't change the fact that [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic he raped someone for his own benefit]]. To add insult to the character of Ms. Marvel, she also sympathizes with him and decides to leave with him to limbo after his machine was destroyed. She didn't return to comics for a year until ''Avengers Annual #10'', the issue where Ms. Marvel [[FromBadToWorse loses her powers and memories to Rogue]]. Jim Shooter, one of the writers of the issue, [[http://www.jimshooter.com/2011/12/avengers-200.html regrets having been involved in it.]] [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/42795-avengers-200 Linkara]] also took a look at it.it, and has gone so far to say it is [[http://atopthefourthwall.com/the-top-15-worst-comics-ive-ever-reviewed/ the worst comic he's ever reviewed]] that was not ''Holy Terror''.
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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal

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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal

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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal.
* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.
com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal
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Obviously, but there are still plenty. The main problem is that it\'s a bad write up, anyway. About the art, I can point out reviews from major sites that claim the art is good. Also, there\'s a discussion page for a reason.


* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal

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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal
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How many comics here have truly atrrocious art? And the standards for posting here are not \"literally has no fans.\" Every entry here has SOME defenders. But

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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal
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Please use the discussion first. I gave reasons there. Even if you want to add it here, it definitely needs more than one line detailing other problems with the book other than \"it\'s offensive.\" (And the art is actually decent, so it reads like the person who wrote that is trying to hard to list other flaws so that it looks legit).


* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal.
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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal.
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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'', written by Bill Jemas, was created on a bet between him and Creator/PeterDavid to see who could write a better selling comic. The problem here is that at the time he worked for Marvel, Jemas was an '''editor'''. And boy, does it show. The book is filled with terrible jokes that feel like they were stolen from a rejected Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg script, ham-fisted political commentary, characters from the mainline Marvel universe showing up just to act out of character and do unfunny things, heaping piles of CriticalResearchFailure and countless plotholes, and tons of [[TakeThat mean-spirited digs at DC and Peter David]] while Marvel got off scot-free. Eventually, this fell in favor of what read like a ComicBook/ChickTract... as adapted à la ''ShoggothOnTheRoof'' by a schizophrenic primary-schooler. For instance, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} evolved from an otter (it's apparently an oblique, and rather unflattering, reference to a scrapped backstory for the character) and, through some reason or another, either becomes immortal or gets a long line of {{Identical Grandson}}s (the comic can't pick one). In the same issue, Jesus Christ is called "the first superhero"[[note]]for those not in the know, this is completely untrue on so many levels, no matter how you interpret Jesus[[/note]]. The last two issues were a recap of the series and a guide on how to submit scripts to a now-defunct comic line. Bonus points: the third issue had no speech bubbles, with the text pushed to either end of the panel, script style. Also, the ContemptibleCover art featuring a red-haired woman [[CoversAlwaysLie (who appeared nowhere in the comic)]] in various states of undress when Jemas was certain he'd lose the bet (he did), with the last issues moving these to variants and using [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine-themed covers]]. Along with a blog recapping it as "[[http://4thletter.net/2009/03/the-marville-horror-part-1-better-sales-through-self-immolation/ The Marville Horror]]", [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2012/01/marville-1.html Linkara]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2012/04/marville-2.html has]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2012/09/marville-3.html also]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2013/02/marville-4.html ripped]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2013/07/marville-5.html it]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/marville-6-7.html apart]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'', written by Bill Jemas, was created on a bet between him and Creator/PeterDavid to see who could write a better selling comic. The problem here is that at the time he worked for Marvel, Jemas was an '''editor'''. And boy, does it show. The book is filled with terrible jokes that feel like they were stolen from a rejected Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg script, ham-fisted political commentary, characters from the mainline Marvel universe showing up just to act out of character and do unfunny things, heaping piles of CriticalResearchFailure and countless plotholes, and tons of [[TakeThat mean-spirited digs at DC and Peter David]] while Marvel got off scot-free. Eventually, this fell in favor of what read like a ComicBook/ChickTract... as adapted à la ''ShoggothOnTheRoof'' by a schizophrenic primary-schooler. For instance, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} evolved from an otter (it's apparently an oblique, and rather unflattering, reference to a scrapped backstory for the character) and, through some reason or another, either becomes immortal or gets a long line of {{Identical Grandson}}s (the comic can't pick one). In the same issue, Jesus {{Jesus}} Christ is called "the first superhero"[[note]]for those not in the know, this is completely untrue on so many levels, no matter how you interpret Jesus[[/note]]. The last two issues were a recap of the series and a guide on how to submit scripts to a now-defunct comic line. Bonus points: the third issue had no speech bubbles, with the text pushed to either end of the panel, script style. Also, the ContemptibleCover art featuring a red-haired woman [[CoversAlwaysLie (who appeared nowhere in the comic)]] in various states of undress when Jemas was certain he'd lose the bet (he did), with the last issues moving these to variants and using [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine-themed covers]]. Along with a blog recapping it as "[[http://4thletter.net/2009/03/the-marville-horror-part-1-better-sales-through-self-immolation/ The Marville Horror]]", [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2012/01/marville-1.html Linkara]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2012/04/marville-2.html has]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2012/09/marville-3.html also]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2013/02/marville-4.html ripped]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2013/07/marville-5.html it]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/marville-6-7.html apart]].
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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While whether one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done attributed to Motiveless Malignity), virtually everyone who opposes them made out to be a hero from communists on the left and Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who are support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sezual imagery are used to reinforce his "points", and his Dethroning Moment of Suck was his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed. He's also quick to jump on the boat when there is any kind of tragedy in the Middle East, but whenever there's a tragedy in the West, he still regards it as the restul of flaws in the country, and are sometimes seem so simple that is like he's doing because he has to. He's also said to be incredibly rude, deleting any comment on his art that doesn't agree with him exactly, including, presumably, people who try to be voices of reason offering constructive criticism. Which is a shame, as he has drawn some surprisingly heartwarming cartoons advocating peace in the Middle East or at the very least showing individual Israelis in positive light. It certainly doesn't help that some of his depictions are completely inaccurate.

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* The works of Brazilian artist Carlos Latuff could aptly illustrate the entry for Anvilicious when the term enters the dictionary, but that trope still doesn't go halfway in describing his cartoons. While whether one's position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is their prerogative, Latuff's art is incredibly overt, and VERY biased. It's one thing to criticize and ridicule the policies of Israel and USA, but it's another to portray the USA and Israel entirely demonized (and literally everything controversial they've ever done attributed to Motiveless Malignity), [[ForTheEvulz pointless evil for the sake of pointless evil.]]), virtually everyone who opposes them made out to be a hero from communists on the left and Islamic fundamentalists on the right. (Also would it really hurt for him to at least show some Israelis and Americans who are support peace and oppose violent wars?) Not to mention the gratuitous amounts of violent and sezual imagery are used to reinforce his "points", and his Dethroning Moment of Suck was his participation in/shameless promotion of a contest held by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that called on artists to write cartoons about the Holocaust in rebuttal of the infamous Danish cartoon that pictured the prophet Mohammed. He's also quick to jump on the boat when there is any kind of tragedy in the Middle East, but whenever there's a tragedy in the West, he still regards it as the restul of flaws in the country, and are sometimes seem so simple that is like he's doing because he has to. He's also said to be incredibly rude, deleting any comment on his art that doesn't agree with him exactly, including, presumably, people who try to be voices of reason offering constructive criticism. Which is a shame, as he has drawn some surprisingly heartwarming cartoons advocating peace in the Middle East or at the very least showing individual Israelis in positive light. It certainly doesn't help that some of his depictions are completely inaccurate.
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That doesn\'t really matter here, since in this case it\'s more personal (at least initially).


** Another problem with it is that in ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis, the Amazons had left the Earthly plane rather than fight the OMACS, in self defense, to preserve their "legacy of peace" as WonderWoman put it.
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* Kirkman's run on ''UltimateXMen'' ended with him retconning almost every major change he had made. Still, sadly, not enough to wipe the long, dragging "Magician" arc from readers' memories. Kurt Wagner going batshit from his time in the Weapon X program could've been done as CharacterDevelopment; coupled with his sudden off-the-wall homophobia and super-creepy [[{{Misery}} Annie Wilkes-like]] behavior towards Dazzler, it just wound up being the [[CharacterDerailment final]] DarthWiki/WallBanger.

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* Kirkman's run on ''UltimateXMen'' ended with him retconning almost every major change he had made. Still, sadly, not enough to wipe the long, dragging "Magician" arc from readers' memories. Kurt Wagner going batshit from his time in the Weapon X program could've been done as CharacterDevelopment; coupled with his sudden off-the-wall homophobia and super-creepy [[{{Misery}} [[{{Literature/Misery}} Annie Wilkes-like]] behavior towards Dazzler, it just wound up being the [[CharacterDerailment final]] DarthWiki/WallBanger.
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I\'m not arguing against the inclusion of Bruce Jones\'s run on Checkmate here, but it needs to be more convincing than that. Holy Terror has its supporters, so it shouldn\'t be here. Also getting rid of Silent Hill. Those comics don\'t seem to be very well liked, but there still seem to be enough people who thought they were at least okay. Remember just because Linkara says something is bad, it doesn\'t mean it automatically belongs here.


* Bruce Jones' run on the once-spectacular ''ComicBook/{{Checkmate}}''. He knew the title was going to be canned when he took it, so he felt free to go insane. How bad was this? He took a gritty, realistic spy thriller and made it about a morphing, amnesiac animal man fighting giant porcupines.



* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal.



* The ''Comicbook/SilentHill'' comics, with the exception of ''Sinner's Reward'' and ''Past Life'', were an absolute disgrace to the franchise they were based on. The connections to the games are [[InNameOnly superficial at best]], the storylines read like they were being made up as they went along, the art was murky and cartoonish to the point where it was difficult to tell who was who... but the absolute low point was the introduction of [[CreatorsPet Christabella]]. [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2009/10/silent-hill-dying-inside-1-and-2.html Linkara]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2009/10/silent-hill-dying-inside-3-and-4.html reviewed]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2009/10/silent-hill-dying-inside-5.html all]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/10/silent-hill-deadalive-1-and-2.html of]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/10/silent-hill-deadalive-3-and-4.html Scott]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2010/10/silent-hill-deadalive-5.html Ciencin's]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2011/10/silent-hill-paint-it-black.html Silent]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2011/10/silent-hill-among-damned.html Hill]] [[http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.ca/2011/10/silent-hill-grinning-man.html comics]].
** The second lowest point was the villain Whateley. He gets a brief mention in ''Dying Inside'', a confusing cameo in ''The Grinning Man'', and a ludicrous connection in ''Dead/Alive''.
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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal.

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* ''Holy Terror'' by Creator/FrankMiller. The story is an incredibly racist AuthorTract against terrorism, starring a pair of blatant copies of Batman and Catwoman. (The book was actually, in fact, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed to be a Batman comic at first]], but then [[DivorcedInstallment turned into a standalone comic halfway through]].) The art and formatting is terrible while the writing is a mess, there's very little characterization and it takes half the book just to get past the first plot point. Furthermore, the book treats all Muslims as terrorists, gets basic facts about what terrorism is wrong and seems to treat the brutal treatment and torture of Islamic people ''as a good thing''. This, along with ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobin'' (which is actually [[SoBadItsGood on the opposite end of the spectrum]]), marked [[FallenCreator [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator the beginning of the end of Frankie's glorious and insane career]].[[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/43870-300th-episode Linkara reviewed it]] as the subject of his 300th episode, and the beatdown he gave is easily one of his most brutal.
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** Of all the spinoff miniseries, ''Countdown: Arena'' was easily the worst. The plot (Monarch kidnaps a bunch of {{Elseworlds}} characters and then makes them fight to the death so he can recruit the winners) is a [[ExcusePlot threadbare mess]], but it could have been saved by the coolness inherent in LetsYouAndHimFight. This... doesn't happen. Mediocre art, severe pacing issues, CharacterDerailment all round (especially for poor CaptainAtom, whose FaceHeelTurn still makes absolutely no sense), [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy a depressing tone,]] a near-total irrelevance to ''Countdown'' itself, and the fight results being decided by ''fan vote'' mean that ''Arena'' somehow manages to make three Batmen fighting each other boring and unpleasant. That it features characters from actual good Elseworlds comics getting brutally murdered is just the icing on this shit sundae. Comics Alliance [[http://comicsalliance.com/the-worst-comics-of-the-decade-part-2/ named it]] one of the worst comics of the decade.

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** Of all the spinoff miniseries, ''Countdown: Arena'' was easily the worst. The plot (Monarch kidnaps a bunch of {{Elseworlds}} characters and then makes them fight to the death so he can recruit the winners) is a [[ExcusePlot threadbare mess]], but it could have been saved by the coolness inherent in LetsYouAndHimFight. This... doesn't happen. Mediocre art, severe pacing issues, CharacterDerailment all round (especially for poor CaptainAtom, whose FaceHeelTurn still makes absolutely no sense), [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy a depressing tone,]] a near-total irrelevance to ''Countdown'' itself, and the fight results being decided by ''fan vote'' ''[[PopularityPower fan vote]]'' mean that ''Arena'' somehow manages to make three Batmen fighting each other boring and unpleasant. That it features characters from actual good Elseworlds comics getting brutally murdered is just the icing on this shit sundae. Comics Alliance [[http://comicsalliance.com/the-worst-comics-of-the-decade-part-2/ named it]] one of the worst comics of the decade.

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