History HoYay / StarTrek

29th Dec '17 1:39:41 PM CaptEquinox
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** Kirk/Spock is in fact [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash#History_of_the_Term where the term "slash" comes from]] and one of the most famous examples of SlashFic. They didn't really start the whole thing -- Holmes and Watson have been slashed for decades, and Dr. Fredric Wertham confirmed he'd interviewed gay men who took it for granted that [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce and Dick]] were intended as a gay couple. Such stories were likely written about [[Series/TheManFromUncle Napoleon and Ilya]] and [[Series/TheWildWildWest Artemus & James]], among others. But they were clandestine -- what's known as "drawerfic", at best mailed privately to a handful of friends. Kirk/Spock slash stories were the first to be circulated among fans in actual fanzines. They were taking a huge risk by doing so, since homosexuality in fiction was considered pornographic in most states even if nothing explicit happened, and using the U.S. Mail to distribute pornography is still a federal crime.

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** Kirk/Spock is in fact [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash#History_of_the_Term where the term "slash" comes from]] and one of the most famous examples of SlashFic. They didn't really start the whole thing -- Holmes and Watson have been slashed for decades, and Dr. Fredric Wertham confirmed he'd interviewed gay men who took it for granted that [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce and Dick]] were intended as a gay couple. Creator/RobertCrumb's brother Charles used to create gay fantasy illustrations based on ''Film/TreasureIsland1950''. Such stories were likely written about [[Series/TheManFromUncle Napoleon and Ilya]] and [[Series/TheWildWildWest Artemus & James]], among others. But they were clandestine -- what's known as "drawerfic", at best mailed privately to a handful of friends. Kirk/Spock slash stories were the first to be circulated among fans in actual fanzines. They were taking a huge risk by doing so, since homosexuality in fiction was considered pornographic in most states even if nothing explicit happened, and using the U.S. Mail to distribute pornography is still a federal crime.
9th Dec '17 5:10:41 PM Fiendish
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** It helps that Garrett Wang, Harry Kim's actor, reportedly wanted his character to be gay (like Wang himself), though [[ExecutiveMeddling the producers refused]].

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** It helps that Garrett Wang, Harry Kim's actor, reportedly wanted his character to be gay (like Wang himself), gay, though [[ExecutiveMeddling the producers refused]].
24th Nov '17 5:07:32 AM CaptEquinox
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** Kirk/Spock is in fact [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash#History_of_the_Term where the term "slash" comes from]] and one of the most famous examples of SlashFic. They didn't really start the whole thing -- Holmes and Watson have been slashed for decades, and Dr. Fredric Wertham confirmed he'd interviewed gay men who took it for granted that [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce and Dick]] were intended as a gay couple. Such stories were likely written about [[Series/TheManFromUncle Napoleon and Ilya]] and [[Series/TheWildWildWest Artemus James, among others. But they were clandestine -- what's known as "drawerfic", at best mailed privately to a handful of friends. Kirk/Spock slash stories were the first to be circulated among fans in actual fanzines. They were taking a huge risk by doing so, since homosexuality in fiction was considered pornographic even if nothing explicit happened, and using the U.S. Mail to distribute pornography is still a federal crime.

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** Kirk/Spock is in fact [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash#History_of_the_Term where the term "slash" comes from]] and one of the most famous examples of SlashFic. They didn't really start the whole thing -- Holmes and Watson have been slashed for decades, and Dr. Fredric Wertham confirmed he'd interviewed gay men who took it for granted that [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce and Dick]] were intended as a gay couple. Such stories were likely written about [[Series/TheManFromUncle Napoleon and Ilya]] and [[Series/TheWildWildWest Artemus James, & James]], among others. But they were clandestine -- what's known as "drawerfic", at best mailed privately to a handful of friends. Kirk/Spock slash stories were the first to be circulated among fans in actual fanzines. They were taking a huge risk by doing so, since homosexuality in fiction was considered pornographic in most states even if nothing explicit happened, and using the U.S. Mail to distribute pornography is still a federal crime.
24th Nov '17 5:06:35 AM CaptEquinox
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** Kirk/Spock is in fact where the term "slash" comes from. [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash#History_of_the_Term]]
*** Kirk/Spock pairing is also one of the most famous examples of SlashFic. This would make sense, because (with the exception of some mostly-clandestine speculation about Holmes & Watson and [[Series/TheManFromUncle Napoleon & Ilya]]) they started the whole thing.

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** Kirk/Spock is in fact [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash#History_of_the_Term where the term "slash" comes from. [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Slash#History_of_the_Term]]
*** Kirk/Spock pairing is also
from]] and one of the most famous examples of SlashFic. This would make sense, because (with They didn't really start the exception of some mostly-clandestine speculation about whole thing -- Holmes & and Watson have been slashed for decades, and Dr. Fredric Wertham confirmed he'd interviewed gay men who took it for granted that [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce and Dick]] were intended as a gay couple. Such stories were likely written about [[Series/TheManFromUncle Napoleon & Ilya]]) and Ilya]] and [[Series/TheWildWildWest Artemus James, among others. But they started were clandestine -- what's known as "drawerfic", at best mailed privately to a handful of friends. Kirk/Spock slash stories were the whole thing.first to be circulated among fans in actual fanzines. They were taking a huge risk by doing so, since homosexuality in fiction was considered pornographic even if nothing explicit happened, and using the U.S. Mail to distribute pornography is still a federal crime.



** Both of these episode were written by TheodoreSturgeon Coincidence?

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** Both of these episode were written by TheodoreSturgeon [[note]]and about six other people, along with contributions from the actors themselves[[/note]]. Coincidence?



--->'''Spock''' On your earth salmon, they must return to that one stream where they were born to spawn, or die in trying . . . the ancient drives are too strong, eventually they catch up with us, we are driven by forces we cannot control to return home and take a wife, or die."
** Every seven years, Vulcans must have sex or they will die of a fever.

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--->'''Spock''' On your earth the salmon, they must return to that one stream where they were born to spawn, or die in trying . . . the ancient drives are too strong, eventually they catch up with us, we are driven by forces we cannot control to return home and take a wife, or die."
** Every seven years, Vulcans must ''go home'' and have sex or they will die of a fever.



*** until T単ring reveals that she doesn稚 want to marry Spock and invokes her ancient right to choose a champion to fight Spock. The winner marries T単ring. Everyone thinks she is going to choose this guy who is obviously her boyfriend, but instead she chooses Kirk.

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*** until T単ring reveals that she doesn稚 want to marry Spock and invokes her ancient right to choose a champion to fight Spock. The winner marries T単ring.will claim T単ring as his property. Everyone thinks she is going to choose this guy who is obviously her boyfriend, but instead she chooses Kirk.



*** In 2016, D.C. Fontana angrily denied that gay subtext had been deliberately written into "Amok Time". She denounced these speculations as "nonsense". She is one of the closest sources we have to WordOfGod now that Gene's dead. Of course, since people believe what they want to believe, slash fans will just say "well, that's what she ''says''," and continue to call her a "K/S Fangirl" for her involvement as story editor on what they consider "obvious" episodes.



*** The point has also been made that if "lover" wasn't an important and relevant part of the definition, Roddenberry wouldn't have put it ''in'' the definition. Vulcan is, after all, a constructed language.

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*** The point has also been made that if "lover" wasn't an important and relevant part of the definition, Roddenberry wouldn't have put it ''in'' the definition. Vulcan is, after all, a constructed language. Plus ol'Gene wasn't about to completely deny anything that might attract more viewers; he was broke, and all his other projects had gone nowhere.



** A Hallmark Star Trek Christmas ornament uses this scene, complete with creepy dialogue. Its very giggle inducing.
** Then there is gem from Operation Annihilate:

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** A Hallmark Star Trek ''Star Trek'' Christmas ornament uses this scene, complete with creepy dialogue. Its very giggle inducing.
** Then there is gem from Operation Annihilate:"Operation Annihilate":



** Not to mention that Creator/GeorgeTakei really IS gay, though it's worth noting that he doesn't believe Sulu was.

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** Not to mention that Creator/GeorgeTakei really IS gay, though it's worth noting that he doesn't believe Sulu was.was and always intentionally played him as straight.
3rd Nov '17 2:42:33 PM GhostLad
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** It helps that Garrett Wang, Harry Kim's actor, reportedly wanted his character to be gay, though [[ExecutiveMeddling the producers refused]].

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** It helps that Garrett Wang, Harry Kim's actor, reportedly wanted his character to be gay, gay (like Wang himself), though [[ExecutiveMeddling the producers refused]].
3rd Nov '17 11:51:28 AM GhostLad
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** At one point, Hoshi accidentally hits on Reed, seemingly inviting him to have dinner in her quarters. His response is one of massive discomfort.
1st Nov '17 5:49:52 PM jogirard
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* Hoshi and T'pol in the episode "Sleeping Dogs" Hoshi says she wishes she could ignore her emotions. T'pol walks over, kneels and takes Hoshi's hands in hers; Hoshi seemed to enjoy it as well (Friendly reminder that the Vulcan kiss is two fingers touching two fingers, and that they are not the hand holding types because of their TouchTelepathy).

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* Hoshi and T'pol T'Pol in the episode "Sleeping Dogs" Hoshi says she wishes she could ignore her emotions. T'pol T'Pol walks over, kneels and takes Hoshi's hands in hers; Hoshi seemed to enjoy it as well (Friendly reminder that the Vulcan kiss is two fingers touching two fingers, and that they are not the hand holding types because of their TouchTelepathy).


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* Michael Burnham grew up fostered by Sarek on Vulcan, and predictably, is shown to be scandalized when Lieutenant Stamets hugs her in a slightly tipsy state. Now keep that in mind re-watching Michael being treated in Sickbay in episode 6, during which [[LesYay she holds Tilly's hand for comfort...]]
20th Oct '17 11:07:01 PM jogirard
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20th Oct '17 10:55:55 PM jogirard
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25th Sep '17 8:36:47 AM jogirard
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** For someone who verbally expresses his hatred for Hayes multiple times, he looked quite delighted to have his hands all over the Major's body.


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* Shran and Archer's vitriolic relationship hit this note for some who noticed that Shran inevitably keeps volunteering to run into Archer in spite of all danger. And then there's the inevitable parallels present between Amok Time and United.
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