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20th Jun '17 12:57:31 AM CaptEquinox
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*** Nonetheless, the whole fiasco would never had developed had HAL simply been programmed to respond with "I'm sorry, Dave, but that's classified" to any question that got too close. In a film made at the time of the Gemini and Apollo programs, the astronauts would almost certainly have been conceived as military men and would have taken that as an answer.

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*** Nonetheless, the whole fiasco would never had developed had HAL simply been programmed to respond with "I'm sorry, Dave, but that's classified" to any question that got too close. In a film made at the time of the Gemini and Apollo programs, the astronauts would almost certainly have been conceived as military men and would have taken that as an answer.answer.
* Creator/HarlanEllison asked:
** If they found the monolith on the moon, why didn't they find the one on Earth? Is it the same monolith, and it moves around?
** Why didn't the computer know Dullea would use the emergency exit to gain reentry into the ship?
** Why did Kubrick take endless time for the discovery of the monolith on the Moon, a sequence that would have been handled better in the teaser of the worst TV space opera?
29th Dec '16 4:50:10 PM Solicitr
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** It was a security issue. Dave and Frank had the whole mission to give something away to their relatives or reporters during conversations with Earth (of which we see several), and the higher-ups just decided that it would be impossible for them to give away anything if they didn't know their real mission. The scientific team was trained separately and put aboard already in hibernation so they couldn't give away anything to Dave and Frank as well. HAL was told the true mission because he had to be capable of continuing the mission if the rest of the crew were killed and he ''wasn't'' considered a security risk, because if he was ordered to then he would be incapable of giving anything away. Would knowledge of the true purpose of their mission have made the mission less boring? Well, maybe, but Dave and Frank weren't going to be the ones doing the investigating when they got to Jupiter either - that was going to be the survey team.

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** It was a security issue. Dave and Frank had the whole mission to give something away to their relatives or reporters during conversations with Earth (of which we see several), and the higher-ups just decided that it would be impossible for them to give away anything if they didn't know their real mission. The scientific team was trained separately and put aboard already in hibernation so they couldn't give away anything to Dave and Frank as well. HAL was told the true mission because he had to be capable of continuing the mission if the rest of the crew were killed and he ''wasn't'' considered a security risk, because if he was ordered to then he would be incapable of giving anything away. Would knowledge of the true purpose of their mission have made the mission less boring? Well, maybe, but Dave and Frank weren't going to be the ones doing the investigating when they got to Jupiter either - that was going to be the survey team.team.
*** Nonetheless, the whole fiasco would never had developed had HAL simply been programmed to respond with "I'm sorry, Dave, but that's classified" to any question that got too close. In a film made at the time of the Gemini and Apollo programs, the astronauts would almost certainly have been conceived as military men and would have taken that as an answer.
8th Aug '16 1:34:00 PM Bense
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* Why didn't the government tell Frank and Dave why they were going to Jupiter, and what ''did'' they tell them about the mission? Once they were away from Earth, if not earlier, there wasn't any reason to swear HAL to secrecy about the mission's purpose, and (of course) it would have prevented the computer's LogicBomb. Knowing that they're going to investigate evidence of alien life would have imbued the mission with a sense of purpose, with little drawback, and if nothing else, would have countered the boredom of the long flight with the anticipation of their goal.

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* Why didn't the government tell Frank and Dave why they were going to Jupiter, and what ''did'' they tell them about the mission? Once they were away from Earth, if not earlier, there wasn't any reason to swear HAL to secrecy about the mission's purpose, and (of course) it would have prevented the computer's LogicBomb. Knowing that they're going to investigate evidence of alien life would have imbued the mission with a sense of purpose, with little drawback, and if nothing else, would have countered the boredom of the long flight with the anticipation of their goal.goal.
** It was a security issue. Dave and Frank had the whole mission to give something away to their relatives or reporters during conversations with Earth (of which we see several), and the higher-ups just decided that it would be impossible for them to give away anything if they didn't know their real mission. The scientific team was trained separately and put aboard already in hibernation so they couldn't give away anything to Dave and Frank as well. HAL was told the true mission because he had to be capable of continuing the mission if the rest of the crew were killed and he ''wasn't'' considered a security risk, because if he was ordered to then he would be incapable of giving anything away. Would knowledge of the true purpose of their mission have made the mission less boring? Well, maybe, but Dave and Frank weren't going to be the ones doing the investigating when they got to Jupiter either - that was going to be the survey team.
29th Jun '16 12:18:54 PM HeraldAlberich
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* Why didn't the government tell Frank and Dave why they were going to Jupiter, and what ''did'' they tell them about the mission? Once they were away from Earth, if not earlier, there wasn't any reason to swear HAL to secrecy about the mission's purpose, and (of course) it would have prevented the computer's LogicBomb. Knowing that they're going to investigate evidence of alien life would have imbued the mission with a sense of purpose, with little drawback, and if nothing else, would have countered the boredom of the long flight with the anticipation of their goal.
28th Oct '15 11:11:11 PM KarMann
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* Why didn't HAL just cut off the oxygen in the entire ship and kill everybody on board, instead of the overly-contrived mechanics of lying about a malfunctioning piece of equipment and sending someone out on a spacewalk so he could do it physically and singly (and with no plan as-of-yet for the other remaining member); I can understand him not having any moveable "weapons" to do it with inside the ship (hence why he'd require them to be outside)... but he shouldn't need to bother with *ANY* of that if the oxygen supply control is under his command(which it almost definitely certainly is)?

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* Why didn't HAL just cut off the oxygen in the entire ship and kill everybody on board, instead of the overly-contrived mechanics of lying about a malfunctioning piece of equipment and sending someone out on a spacewalk so he could do it physically and singly (and with no plan as-of-yet for the other remaining member); I can understand him not having any moveable movable "weapons" to do it with inside the ship (hence why he'd require them to be outside)... but he shouldn't need to bother with *ANY* of that if the oxygen supply control is under his command(which it almost definitely certainly is)?



** Who's to say there wasn't? There could have been any number of satellites orbiting the Moon, Jupiter, or both at the time. And why do you believe that the signal "wouldn't have been aimed anywhere in particular"? What would be the point in sending a signal off in a random direction into deep space? Finally, presumably the monolith would have just waited until Jupiter rose to transmit its signal; keep in mind that the monolith had already been unearthed for some time by the time Floyd et al got to it.

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** Who's to say there wasn't? There could have been any number of satellites orbiting the Moon, Jupiter, or both at the time. And why do you believe that the signal "wouldn't have been aimed anywhere in particular"? What would be the point in sending a signal off in a random direction into deep space? Finally, presumably the monolith would have just waited until Jupiter rose to transmit its signal; keep in mind that the monolith had already been unearthed for some time by the time Floyd et al al. got to it.



**** The beam had 2 purposes. 1) alert TMA-2 that an intelligent species had evolved and developed technology to a level needed to find and unearth TMA-1 2) Force said species to figure out where TMA-2 was by tracking the beam. An omnidirectional beam doesn't fulfil the second objective. Possibly the Monolith would rebroadcast the signal every few years if the species wasn't able to figure out where TMA-2 was due to not having satellites in the right position to track the signal or rebury itself if it had been unearthed by something like an asteroid impact.

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**** The beam had 2 purposes. 1) alert TMA-2 that an intelligent species had evolved and developed technology to a level needed to find and unearth TMA-1 2) Force said species to figure out where TMA-2 was by tracking the beam. An omnidirectional beam doesn't fulfil fulfill the second objective. Possibly the Monolith would rebroadcast the signal every few years if the species wasn't able to figure out where TMA-2 was due to not having satellites in the right position to track the signal or rebury itself if it had been unearthed by something like an asteroid impact.



** It doesn't quite match up correctly in execution, but the stewardess has to do her little walk upside-down because the bridge of the lunar ship is facing forward, alowing the pilot to look out the front, while the passenger section is oriented so that when the ship lands they are upright. The pilots aren't "strapped to the ceiling" - they are, in affect, strapped to the ''floor'' when the ship lands on the moon, facing upward out the windows.
** And there is no artificial gravity - there would be no need for the centerfuge (the big wheel set) in ''Discovery'' if they had artificial gravity. Dave and Frank never actually walk around on the bridge. They do move around a little too freely in the pod bay, which should be in zero-G, but the idea is that they are sticking to the floor with grip-shoes (there are velcro strips carpeting the set for that very reason). Maybe they're just better at using their grippy shoes than the stewardess earlier in the film was.

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** It doesn't quite match up correctly in execution, but the stewardess has to do her little walk upside-down because the bridge of the lunar ship is facing forward, alowing allowing the pilot to look out the front, while the passenger section is oriented so that when the ship lands they are upright. The pilots aren't "strapped to the ceiling" - they are, in affect, strapped to the ''floor'' when the ship lands on the moon, facing upward out the windows.
** And there is no artificial gravity - there would be no need for the centerfuge centrifuge (the big wheel set) in ''Discovery'' if they had artificial gravity. Dave and Frank never actually walk around on the bridge. They do move around a little too freely in the pod bay, which should be in zero-G, but the idea is that they are sticking to the floor with grip-shoes (there are velcro strips carpeting the set for that very reason). Maybe they're just better at using their grippy shoes than the stewardess earlier in the film was.
28th Oct '15 11:02:28 PM KarMann
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* Why didn't HAL just cut off the oxygen in the entire ship and kill everybody on board, instead of the overly-contrived mechanics of lying about a malfunctioning piece of equipment and sending someone out on a spacewalk so he could do it physically and singly(and with no plan as-of-yet for the other remaining member); I can understand him not having any moveable "weapons" to do it with inside the ship(hence why he'd require them to be outside)...but he shouldn't need to bother with *ANY* of that if the oxygen supply control is under his command(which it almost definitely certainly is)?

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* Why didn't HAL just cut off the oxygen in the entire ship and kill everybody on board, instead of the overly-contrived mechanics of lying about a malfunctioning piece of equipment and sending someone out on a spacewalk so he could do it physically and singly(and singly (and with no plan as-of-yet for the other remaining member); I can understand him not having any moveable "weapons" to do it with inside the ship(hence ship (hence why he'd require them to be outside)...outside)... but he shouldn't need to bother with *ANY* of that if the oxygen supply control is under his command(which it almost definitely certainly is)?
24th Aug '15 8:43:43 AM Bense
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** The cockpit seats are set so that while the ''Discovery'' is firing her engines they will be pushed down into their seats instead of in some other direction.
3rd Apr '14 2:02:26 PM JoeBentley
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* What was the original plan for HAL? In the original novel the Discovery lacked the fuel for a return trip. If everything had gone according to plan at the end of their mission the 5 astronauts would have all gone into hibernation and leave HAL in charge of the ship until a second vessel was sent to retrieve them. But in 2010 we learn that HAL is pretty much hardwired into the Discovery, with the crew of Lenov having to leave HAL behind to perish in the explosion of Jupiter. So was the plan to maroon HAL out in space the plan all along?
3rd Apr '14 2:00:44 PM JoeBentley
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** The apparent Earth-level gravity on Clavius is a production oversight, similar to how Dave leans on HAL's console in the pod bay which is a zero-g environment. As for the quicker movement with the grip shoes by Dave and Frank, a possible in universe explanation is that in the time between the "Blue Danube" sequence and the flight of Discovery the technology had been improved to allow for more freeform movement (remember the Monolith was found on the Moon in 1999, and Discovery is sent off to Jupiter 18 months later in 2001). Also if you look at the bridge for Discovery, the two cockpit seats are actually angled downward due to it being a zero-g environment.

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** The apparent Earth-level gravity on Clavius is a production oversight, similar to how Dave leans on HAL's console in the pod bay which is a zero-g environment. As for the quicker movement with the grip shoes by Dave and Frank, a possible in universe explanation is that in the time between the "Blue Danube" sequence and the flight of Discovery the technology had been improved to allow for more freeform movement (remember the Monolith was found on the Moon in 1999, and Discovery is sent off to Jupiter 18 months later in 2001). Also if you look at the bridge for Discovery, the two cockpit seats are actually angled downward due to it being a zero-g environment.environment.
* What was the original plan for HAL? In the original novel the Discovery lacked the fuel for a return trip. If everything had gone according to plan at the end of their mission the 5 astronauts would have all gone into hibernation and leave HAL in charge of the ship until a second vessel was sent to retrieve them. But in 2010 we learn that HAL is pretty much hardwired into the Discovery, with the crew of Lenov having to leave HAL behind to perish in the explosion of Jupiter. So was the plan to maroon HAL out in space the plan all along?
11th Feb '14 10:32:22 AM HeliosPhoenix
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** The real puzzle is why everyone in Clavius base on the Moon is walking around in what is obviously Earth-normal gravity.

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** The real puzzle is why everyone in Clavius base on the Moon is walking around in what is obviously Earth-normal gravity.gravity.
** The apparent Earth-level gravity on Clavius is a production oversight, similar to how Dave leans on HAL's console in the pod bay which is a zero-g environment. As for the quicker movement with the grip shoes by Dave and Frank, a possible in universe explanation is that in the time between the "Blue Danube" sequence and the flight of Discovery the technology had been improved to allow for more freeform movement (remember the Monolith was found on the Moon in 1999, and Discovery is sent off to Jupiter 18 months later in 2001). Also if you look at the bridge for Discovery, the two cockpit seats are actually angled downward due to it being a zero-g environment.
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