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*** Don's situation was unique. He had just turned at that point, and his last thought before turning was his guilt for having abandoned her--but it's guilt tinged with anger and resentment, which the "rage" part of him immediately taps into (notice that the moment he turns it quickly flashes back to the image he had of her banging on the window as he ran from the house), inducing his deadly attack on her.

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*** Don's situation was unique. He had just turned at that point, and his last thought before turning was his guilt for having abandoned her--but it's guilt tinged with anger and resentment, which the "rage" part of him immediately taps into (notice that the moment he turns it quickly flashes back to the image he had of her banging on at the window as he ran from the house), inducing his deadly attack on her.
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*** Don's situation was unique. He had just turned at that point, and his last thought before turning was his guilt for having abandoned her--but it's guilt tinged with anger and resentment, which the "rage" part of him immediately taps into (notice that the moment he turns it quickly flashes back to the image he had of her banging on the window as he ran from the house), inducing his deadly attack on her.
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** The movies make a case for why gun control is a suicidally bad idea in a world where zombies (or rage virus infectees, if you prefer) exist. Since they don't in the real world, if proving that point was the movie's goal (which I don't think it was) it would be a great example of a SpaceWhaleAesop. The movie no more "proves" that gun control is a suicidally bad idea than werewolf movies "prove" that not silver-plating everything is a suicidally bad idea, or the average slasher movie "proves" that [[DeathBySex having sex]] is a suicidally bad idea.

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** The movies make a case for why gun control is a suicidally bad idea in a world where zombies (or rage virus infectees, if you prefer) exist. Since they don't in the real world, if proving that point was the movie's goal (which I don't think it was) it would be a great example of a SpaceWhaleAesop. The movie no more "proves" that gun control is a suicidally bad idea than werewolf movies "prove" that not silver-plating everything is a suicidally bad idea, or the average slasher movie "proves" that [[DeathBySex having sex]] sex is a suicidally bad idea.
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*** I'm pretty sure that the military general in charge of the recolonization zone actually ordered her to be killed, over the protests of the medical officer, because she's too much of a security risk. Which just adds to the IdiotPlot, because the man ''acknowledges'' the massive risk and yet still leaves her unguarded.

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*** I'm pretty sure that the military general in charge of the recolonization zone actually ordered her to be killed, over the protests of the medical officer, because she's too much of a security risk. Which just adds to the IdiotPlot, absurdity, because the man ''acknowledges'' the massive risk and yet still leaves her unguarded.
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*** You're missing the point. The NATO forces supervising the repatriation and protection of the British civilians had a plan in case of the worst case scenario: [[KillEmAll Code Red.]] If things got really bad, they were given clearance to give the order to kill everything moving. Arming a populace that you may be killing later on would allow them to kill you back. Not smart.

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*** You're missing the point. The NATO forces supervising the repatriation and protection of the British civilians had a plan in case of the worst case scenario: [[KillEmAll Code Red.]] Red. If things got really bad, they were given clearance to give the order to kill everything moving. Arming a populace that you may be killing later on would allow them to kill you back. Not smart.
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** Questions like this always frustrate me, where people make assumptions about what ''a movie'' is saying, simply because of what characters in a movie may think. What evidence do you have that ''the movie'' depicts Don as a coward? The movie makes it very clear that it he hadn't abandoned his wife at that moment, he would have died. There are people who might call it an act of cowardice, but there's absolutely zero evidence that the film itself is pushing that interpretation; it's left entirely up to the viewer how to judge Don's actions morally. Even Don's kids aren't necessarily viewing him as a coward, they're just upset that he told them she died then turns out to have been alive. In any case, there's no reason to assume the movie is necessarily agreeing with the kids' perspective, they're simply reacting pretty much the way they'd be expected to react given the limited information they receive about what their father went through and the generally black-and-white perspective that children often have of the world. Now, there's no question that Don himself carries guilt over it, but, again, that's completely plausible and well in line with real-life situations where people were forced to abandon loved ones to save themselves; no matter how true it may be that they had no choice if they wanted to survive, they're still likely to carry guilt. Again, there's zero evidence--nada, zip--that the movie wants us to believe Don is a coward. Any viewer who judges him that way is pushing their beliefs on the film, nothing more.
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*** I thought about the exact situation he was in a few times; at the exact moment he made the choice, there were only two zombies in the room. More would enter in seconds (if that), but if he'd charged them full-tilt, he might be able to distract them long enough for his wife and the child to run past and go out the window. Hell, with a lot, but not-unprecedented-in-zombie-fiction amount of PlotArmor, maybe all three of them could have gotten out. Basically, fate was asking him to pull a HeroicSacrifice for a chance at saving his wife and a little boy; extremely high risk, but also high reward. His choice doesn't necescarily make him a coward, just not the bravest and most selfless and optimistic person ever.

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*** They knew what the virus was and what it could do, it was released from a laboratory.
*** Yes, but the additional backstory tells us that the creation of the Rage Virus was an unintended accident. Even then, a virus running free in the outside world is totally different from it being tested in a sterile lab.

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*** ** They knew what the virus was and what it could do, it was released from a laboratory.
*** ** Yes, but the additional backstory tells us that the creation of the Rage Virus was an unintended accident. Even then, a virus running free in the outside world is totally different from it being tested in a sterile lab.



*** What is the deal with needing refugee camps anyway? There wasn't enough time for any meaningful evacuation before the borders were closed with extreme prejudice, most of the people that were out of the UK would have been out of it anyway. There is more than enough British Ex-pats out there to put up the few tourists that would have been caught out the country. And even if there was the need for refugee camps, why tents? There are huge caravan(trailer parks) sites and hotel complexes that do nothing but hold UK tourists in the summer seasons. All plumbed and with all mod cons, assuming that there were need for refugee camps then you could house all the tourists in those complexes with room to spare. Especially in Spain where the kids were mentioned as having spent the time.
*** It's unclear how many people became Infected, but it doesn't seem anywhere close to a majority of the island-even if 10% of London's population were Infected, that would be 755,000 people running around-so where are they? 10% of Great Britain would be 6 million people-where are they all? Did they all run out into the country? And if it was a majority of the population, where did 30 million+ Infected ''go''? It's a bit of a catch-22, because if they didn't get Infected, they must have evacuated...but how did millions of people get clear of Great Britain in less than a month?
*** Boats. In 1940 Operation Dynamo evacuated over 338,000 men from the beaches of Dunkirk in 9 days. The infection began in the South East of England and even at a fast run it would take several weeks to spread North and West. There are a lot of ports in Britain.
*** Those aren't good reasons to bring civilians back in to settle so soon. Commando teams/military to retrieve information, secure important locations, etc, sure, but not families.

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*** What is the deal with needing refugee camps anyway? There wasn't enough time for any meaningful evacuation before the borders were closed with extreme prejudice, most of the people that were out of the UK would have been out of it anyway. There is more than enough British Ex-pats expats out there to put up the few tourists that would have been caught out the country. And even if there was the need for refugee camps, why tents? There are huge caravan(trailer caravan (trailer parks) sites and hotel complexes that do nothing but hold UK tourists in the summer seasons. All plumbed and with all mod cons, assuming that there were need for refugee camps then you could house all the tourists in those complexes with room to spare. Especially in Spain where the kids were mentioned as having spent the time.
*** ** It's unclear how many people became Infected, infected, but it doesn't seem anywhere close to a majority of the island-even island- even if 10% of London's population were Infected, infected, that would be 755,000 people running around-so where are they? 10% of Great Britain would be 6 million people-where are they all? Did they all run out into the country? And if it was a majority of the population, where did 30 million+ Infected ''go''? It's a bit of a catch-22, because if they didn't get Infected, infected, they must have evacuated...but how did millions of people get clear of Great Britain in less than a month?
*** ** Boats. In 1940 Operation Dynamo evacuated over 338,000 men from the beaches of Dunkirk in 9 days. The infection began in the South East of England and even at a fast run it would take several weeks to spread North and West. There are a lot of ports in Britain.
*** ** Also, given answers on both movies' headscratcher pages, it looks like someone infected with Rage can only really have a lifespan of a few days before they vomit up so much blood they completely dehydrate and die. This would explain why by the time of the first movie there are ''relatively'' few left; waves of Infected populations arise, die and leave behind other waves, so you never really have a majority of a population both alive and infected, that is until the end when there are so very few uninfected left.
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Those aren't good reasons to bring civilians back in to settle so soon. Commando teams/military to retrieve information, secure important locations, etc, sure, but not families.



*** There is plenty of info that is not backed up because it is sensitive, copyrighted, or it's too expensive (small businesses, anyone?). And it's not just London-a country has plenty of information that is backed up only within the country itself. You think the British back up all of their data in Northern Ireland or Gibraltar? And if you're sending in troops to loot, then why not have them clean up since it's apparently safe enough for them to be there in the first place? And what about the refugees? Their homes still exist, yet they're in cramped, dirty refugee camps. They'd want to go home at the earliest opportunity, especially when they hear that US troops are running around on the ground with impunity. The countries spending billions of dollars to support them would want them gone, too.
*** Sensitive/copyrighted information would be backed up with the same security. Anyone who thinks backups are too expensive for businesses of any size needs to extract their cranium from their hindquarters as that cost is inherently minuscule in comparison to the cost of losing vital data (and for that matter, the government would have taken as much of that data with them as possible). Sending in troops (which should be geared appropriately for the various transmission possibilities) generally means the opposite of "it's safe for everyone". Just because people WANT to go back doesn't mean you let them risk wiping out the vast majority of the world's population. There was absolutely no valid reason to resettle that early. And for that matter, they should have had ships off the island for most people, and especially some quarantine vessels for research purposes.
*** This troper has actually ''worked'' for the kind of organizations that work with sensitive information. Yes, backups are made, but as someone else already pointed out, these backups are usually confined to the same country. There are things that are ''legally'' restricted from being backed up or transmitted offshore in many countries, ''especially financial data''. I'd also guess that stuff from the [=MoD=] would also remain within the UK, with maaaybe some backups in Scotland or Wales. Unless HMG has taken the precaution of backing up everything in Northern Ireland and Gibraltar (or even Falklands?), there's a good chance that everything has gone poof.

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*** ** There is plenty of info that is not backed up because it is sensitive, copyrighted, or it's too expensive (small businesses, anyone?). And it's not just London-a London- a country has plenty of information that is backed up only within the country itself. You think the British back up all of their data in Northern Ireland or Gibraltar? And if you're sending in troops to loot, then why not have them clean up since it's apparently safe enough for them to be there in the first place? And what about the refugees? Their homes still exist, yet they're in cramped, dirty refugee camps. They'd want to go home at the earliest opportunity, especially when they hear that US troops are running around on the ground with impunity. The countries spending billions of dollars to support them would want them gone, too.
*** ** Sensitive/copyrighted information would be backed up with the same security. Anyone who thinks backups are too expensive for businesses of any size needs to extract their cranium from their hindquarters as that cost is inherently minuscule in comparison to the cost of losing vital data (and for that matter, the government would have taken as much of that data with them as possible). Sending in troops (which should be geared appropriately for the various transmission possibilities) generally means the opposite of "it's safe for everyone". Just because people WANT to go back doesn't mean you let them risk wiping out the vast majority of the world's population. There was absolutely no valid reason to resettle that early. And for that matter, they should have had ships off the island for most people, and especially some quarantine vessels for research purposes.
*** This troper has ** I have actually ''worked'' for the kind of organizations that work with sensitive information. Yes, backups are made, but as someone else already pointed out, these backups are usually confined to the same country. There are things that are ''legally'' restricted from being backed up or transmitted offshore in many countries, ''especially financial data''. I'd also guess that stuff from the [=MoD=] would also remain within the UK, England, with maaaybe some backups in Scotland or Wales. Unless HMG has taken the precaution of backing up everything in Northern Ireland and Gibraltar (or even Falklands?), there's a good chance that everything has gone poof.



** It's entirely likely that there were asymptomatic carriers during the original outbreak, however they may not have been as fortunate as Alice in evading the infected and ended up dead anyway, so on the basis of available evidence they may indeed have assumed that asymptomatic carriers are simply not a thing with this virus. Until Alice showed up.



*** Or an eye...
*** Well the infection spreads at near light speed, so if you get blood spattering your face and a few seconds later you are still you then it is probably best not to go wiping it around risking it reaching an open wound or eye. Plus blood dries fairly quickly, when it is wet is when you are still fighting the infected which is not the time to worry about personal cleanliness, and once you've stopped fighting them you are probably focusing on staying hidden from them so it drops down the to-do list.

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*** ** Or an eye...
*** ** Well the infection spreads at near light speed, so if you get blood spattering your face and a few seconds later you are still you then it is probably best not to go wiping it around risking it reaching an open wound or eye. Plus blood dries fairly quickly, when it is wet is when you are still fighting the infected which is not the time to worry about personal cleanliness, and once you've stopped fighting them you are probably focusing on staying hidden from them so it drops down the to-do list.



** Assume the infected ran full speed the whole way there (due to the virus making them unable to be tired or some random idea) and give them a speed of say...15mph. That 90-ish miles could have took them about 6 hours to run it. Could they have properly sealed of the Chunnel in that time? Probably, but let's say they were just carrying the IdiotBall and filled it with soldiers with shoot to kill orders. Zombie Movies 101 says that ends badly.
*** You're both forgetting one important thing- Andy is technically infected too, and since the ending is 28 days after the kids and Flynn escape London, that's plenty of time for Typhoid Andy to accidentally spread the infection all over again. This of course assumes you're okay with the chopper getting across the Channel.

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** Assume the infected ran full speed the whole way there (due to the virus making them unable to be tired or some random idea) and give them a speed of say... 15mph. That 90-ish miles could have took them about 6 hours to run it. Could they have properly sealed of off the Chunnel in that time? Probably, but let's say they were just carrying the IdiotBall and filled it with soldiers with shoot to kill orders. Zombie Movies 101 says that ends badly.
*** ** You're both forgetting one important thing- Andy is technically infected too, and since the ending is 28 days after the kids and Flynn escape London, that's plenty of time for Typhoid Andy to accidentally spread the infection all over again. This of course assumes you're okay with the chopper getting across the Channel.



*** If the helicopter crashed, maybe a first-responder tried giving him CPR, and then got infected via the saliva?
** I'll bet the moment the Infection in 28 Days Later was known, the Chunnel was blown away, flooding entirely, to prevent the only form for Infected to cross to the mainland. Even if they couldn't make it through the tunnel, one could have got on the Eurostar by accident. Most likely, the Infected had come out of a Metro station, having already being spawned days earlier from Andy spitting/kissing/bleeding on his sister/doctor/pilot near Calais...

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*** ** If the helicopter crashed, maybe a first-responder tried giving him CPR, and then got infected via the saliva?
** I'll bet the moment the Infection infection in 28 Days Later was known, the Chunnel was blown away, flooding entirely, to prevent the only form route for Infected to cross to the mainland. Even if they couldn't make it through the tunnel, one could have got on the Eurostar by accident. Most likely, the Infected had come out of a Metro station, having already being spawned days earlier from Andy spitting/kissing/bleeding on his sister/doctor/pilot near Calais...



*** Actually, that was confirmed to be false reporting. It's only in Britian.
*** Given how much fear the news of what was happening in Britain must've stirred up in the rest of the world, people in uninfected countries were probably reporting "infected" ''everywhere''. Heck, there were probably uninfected folks who were shot and killed because somebody spotted them staggering around drunk and frightened police ''thought'' they were.
** The whole point of the end of the movie was the the little guy was infected, but was asymptomatic. It was kinda the point.

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*** ** Actually, that was confirmed to be false reporting. It's only in Britian.
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Given how much fear the news of what was happening in Britain must've stirred up in the rest of the world, people in uninfected countries were probably reporting "infected" ''everywhere''. Heck, there were probably uninfected folks who were shot and killed because somebody spotted them staggering around drunk and frightened police ''thought'' they were.
** The whole point of the end of the movie was the that the little guy was infected, but was asymptomatic. It was kinda the point.



* You know, most of this stuff I either ignore, didn't notice, or can rationalize away. That's fine. What's not fine is the fact that this page doesn't have a listing for that absolutely retarded sequence where Flynn uses his chopper to puree the infected. I'm not even sure that's physically POSSIBLE- maybe one or two, sure, but a whole heaping horde of them? What? No. What? Goddammit.

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** In terms of what drove them to the tunnel, my theory is that it was guarded by military blockade at either end (it was useful to remain open to funnel certain supplies and personnel through) and the new infected chased a survivor to the British end, meatgrinded their way through the defences and then chased another survivor partway down the tunnel, then carried on to the French end.
* You know, most of this stuff I either ignore, didn't notice, or can rationalize away. That's fine. What's not fine is the fact that this page doesn't have a listing for that absolutely retarded ludicrous sequence where Flynn uses his chopper to puree the infected. I'm not even sure that's physically POSSIBLE- maybe one or two, sure, but a whole heaping horde of them? What? No. What? Goddammit.



*** It's made even worse when you consider that the whole reason he was doing it was to try and kill the innocent civilian hanging onto his helicopter. The infected he managed to kill were just a bonus.
*** No it wasn't. Before the aforementioned HelicopterBlender moment, Doyle clearly says "Flynn, we're gonna die down here! Do somethin'!" And, while Flynn doesn't want to take the other people, he IS trying to save Doyle. The helicopter had no weapons on board, so he tore the infected apart with the primary rotor.
*** What always got me was, it is known that the infection is spread by a single drop of blood getting into the human body by open wounds, eye fluids, mouths, etc. So what do you do? Turn the air into an infectious blood fog while piloting an open-sided helicopter. Was he trying to get himself and his buddy infected?
*** According to this [[http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0463854/board/thread/192522402?d=212115117&p=1#212115117 message]] you might not be entirely correct. I feel that the scene as depicted in the movie is plausible. The point about not wanting infectious gore mist all around you is still valid, though.
*** Above link no longer active. However, the original response is correct: this would fail miserably in real life. Aerospatiale Gazelles have lightweight fiberglass rotor blades. Even a bird strike can critically damage one if it's a heavy bird. Slamming those blades into a dozen or more rage-zombies means that chopper is out of control and crashing pretty much right away. [[note]] Light helicopters are particularly susceptible to rotor damage or even imbalances. Stray balloons can imbalance the main rotor of a light chopper like an MD-500 - not enough to cause it to crash, but enough that a pilot will set it down in a hurry because it's unstable. Heavy blades like those found on a UH-1 or modern heavy blades like those on a CH-47 or -53 can also take more of a beating, but that's because there's heavier (and more) material to absorb impact energy. Advanced rotors like those on an AH-64 are multilayer laminates designed so that impacts are very unlikely to break the blade completely. The Gazelle has none of these features.[[/note]] So in addition to aerosolized rage blood, they'd also have a flaming chopper wreck to deal with - essentially the definition of "bad plan."

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*** ** It's made even worse when you consider that the whole reason he was doing it was to try and kill the innocent civilian hanging onto his helicopter. The infected he managed to kill were just a bonus.
*** ** No it wasn't. Before the aforementioned HelicopterBlender moment, Doyle clearly says "Flynn, we're gonna die down here! Do somethin'!" And, while Flynn doesn't want to take the other people, he IS trying to save Doyle. The helicopter had no weapons on board, so he tore the infected apart with the primary rotor.
*** ** What always got me was, it is known that the infection is spread by a single drop of blood getting into the human body by open wounds, eye fluids, mouths, etc. So what do you do? Turn the air into an infectious blood fog while piloting an open-sided helicopter. Was he trying to get himself and his buddy infected?
*** ** According to this [[http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0463854/board/thread/192522402?d=212115117&p=1#212115117 message]] you might not be entirely correct. I feel that the scene as depicted in the movie is plausible. The point about not wanting infectious gore mist all around you is still valid, though.
*** ** Above link no longer active. However, the original response is correct: this would fail miserably in real life. Aerospatiale Gazelles have lightweight fiberglass rotor blades. Even a bird strike can critically damage one if it's a heavy bird. Slamming those blades into a dozen or more rage-zombies means that chopper is out of control and crashing pretty much right away. [[note]] Light helicopters are particularly susceptible to rotor damage or even imbalances. Stray balloons can imbalance the main rotor of a light chopper like an MD-500 - not enough to cause it to crash, but enough that a pilot will set it down in a hurry because it's unstable. Heavy blades like those found on a UH-1 or modern heavy blades like those on a CH-47 or -53 can also take more of a beating, but that's because there's heavier (and more) material to absorb impact energy. Advanced rotors like those on an AH-64 are multilayer laminates designed so that impacts are very unlikely to break the blade completely. The Gazelle has none of these features.[[/note]] So in addition to aerosolized rage blood, they'd also have a flaming chopper wreck to deal with - essentially the definition of "bad plan."



*** Which causes another {{Plothole}}, because as mentioned near the top, how the hell did Alice escape the cottage without being horribly killed by the dozens of infected surrounding the building? If she escaped because she 'passes' as one of them, then Don had no reason to kill her. If Don kills her because she doesn't 'pass', then she should have been killed in the cottage. Nice one, writers.
*** It could be that the ability to tell the difference between an infected and a non-infected doesn't come until later on, because the virus is still working to take over.

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*** ** Which causes another {{Plothole}}, because as mentioned near the top, how the hell did Alice escape the cottage without being horribly killed by the dozens of infected surrounding the building? If she escaped because she 'passes' as one of them, then Don had no reason to kill her. If Don kills her because she doesn't 'pass', then she should have been killed in the cottage. Nice one, writers.
*** ** It could be that the ability to tell the difference between an infected and a non-infected doesn't come until later on, because the virus is still working to take over.



** Suddenly it dawns on me. The infected don't attack he each other but he kills his infected wife? So this rule is only in effect if you've got the disease or could you bull rush a bunch of zombies in a berzerker rage and they'd leave

* Where are the main characters from the first movie? I know its George A. Romero tradition to simply ignore each cast of characters in each new installment, but why not even give them a cameo or something here?
** Because then we can assume they live happily ever after and far away from the zombies. I'm betting that as some of the few survivors of the zombie apocalypse they were given citizenship and refuge in another country rather than resettled in England, so that they could be debriefed and give useful ways to survive/stop the plague. Plus, the actors don't get the sequel dragging their reputations down.

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** Suddenly it dawns on me. The infected don't attack he each other but he kills his infected wife? So is this rule is only in effect if you've got the disease or could you bull rush a bunch of zombies in a berzerker rage and they'd leave

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** Probably not, no. It's also likely that infected emit a pheromone as a symptom, which helps to allow them to identify each other in combination with the rage.
* Where are the main characters from the first movie? I know its George A. Romero tradition to simply ignore each cast of characters in each new installment, instalment, but why not even give them a cameo or something here?
** Because then we can assume they live happily ever after and far away from the zombies. I'm betting that as some of the few survivors of the zombie apocalypse they were given citizenship and refuge in another country rather than resettled in England, so that they could be debriefed and give provide the resettlement teams useful ways to survive/stop the plague. Plus, the actors don't get the sequel dragging their reputations down.



** Fridge Brilliance^
*** It was later explained in the comic that they were arrested for killing the rapist soldiers. Selena and Hannah were eventually released(the comic states Selena and Hannah are in protective custody), but Jim wasn't and is currently awaiting execution by firing squad. The series ''really'' seems to have a hard-on for wanting Jim dead. First the alternate endings (one of which is stated to be the "real" ending) and then this. Wow.
*** Why the hell would people want to execute someone who was clearly defending himself and others from ''insane rapist soldiers?'' Just because they're soldiers doesn't make them automatically immune from legal repercussions. "Hard-on for killing Jim" indeed.

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** Fridge Brilliance^
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^Fridge Brilliance.
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It was later explained in the comic that they were arrested for killing the rapist soldiers. Selena and Hannah were eventually released(the released (the comic states Selena and Hannah are in protective custody), but Jim wasn't and is currently awaiting execution by firing squad. The series ''really'' seems to have a hard-on for wanting Jim dead. First the alternate endings (one of which is stated to be the "real" ending) and then this. Wow.
*** ** Why the hell would people want to execute someone who was clearly defending himself and others from ''insane rapist soldiers?'' Just because they're soldiers doesn't make them automatically immune from legal repercussions. "Hard-on for killing Jim" indeed.



** True - but there would be some people who obviously won't listen and try to investigate on their own, putting themselves in potential danger.
*** So? Let them. As long as the majority of people lock themselves out of harm's way, the infection will be be much easier to contain. If some idiot wants to find out what's going on and gets himself infected, the rest of the population smart enough to isolate themselves will be in only slightly greater danger than before.

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** True - True- but there would be some people who obviously won't listen and try to investigate on their own, putting themselves in potential danger.
*** ** So? Let them. As long as the majority of people lock themselves out of harm's way, the infection will be be much easier to contain. If some idiot wants to find out what's going on and gets himself infected, the rest of the population smart enough to isolate themselves will be in only slightly greater danger than before.



*** Even if the Infected can break down doors, having everyone barricade themselves in small groups in separate apartments means that the Infected would have to break down fifty doors to infect everyone rather than just one as in the movie. It would give the military lots more time to evaluate the situation (especially if they're in contact with each small group and know where each is) and pick the best course of action. And the Isle of Dogs is a military-occupied safe zone, so would it be too much to ask for fortified shelters? Even a simple windowless room with a steel-bolted door would suffice. Have one or two per floor per building, and you've got a quarantined population.
*** I suspect that internal politics and cost cutting determined the provision, or rather lack of, shelters from the infected.
*** How did they fit 15,000+ people in one room, and so quickly for that matter?
* Given, herding people into the big room was a problem, but they knew of the quarantine plans in the first place. These people know how dangerous the infected are, how fast it spreads, and have almost certainly been shown footage of the infected. So naturally the second the military says "There's a breach! This is not a drill! Everyone to the quarantine zone!" what does everyone do? [[RuleOfDrama COMPLAIN!]]
* Maybe it was left out for pacing reasons, but this troper got the impression there was no training for the settlers on what to do in the case of an outbreak. It seemed like the 'tour guide' talk on the DLR was all they got. There should've been so much training and so many drills it was burnt into their brains. The kids should've been terrified of crossing the boundary, but instead, they seemed to have no idea why it might be stupid.

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*** ** Even if the Infected can break down doors, having everyone barricade themselves in small groups in separate apartments means that the Infected would have to break down fifty doors to infect everyone rather than just one as in the movie. It would give the military lots more time to evaluate the situation (especially if they're in contact with each small group and know where each is) and pick the best course of action. And the Isle of Dogs is a military-occupied safe zone, so would it be too much to ask for fortified shelters? Even a simple windowless room with a steel-bolted door would suffice. Have one or two per floor per building, and you've got a quarantined population.
*** ** I suspect that internal politics and cost cutting determined the provision, or rather lack of, shelters from the infected.
*** ** How did they fit 15,000+ people in one room, and so quickly for that matter?
* ** Given, herding people into the big room was a problem, but they knew of the quarantine plans in the first place. These people know how dangerous the infected are, how fast it spreads, and have almost certainly been shown footage of the infected. So naturally the second the military says "There's a breach! This is not a drill! Everyone to the quarantine zone!" what does everyone do? [[RuleOfDrama COMPLAIN!]]
* Maybe it was left out for pacing reasons, but this troper I got the impression there was no training for the settlers on what to do in the case of an outbreak. It seemed like the 'tour guide' talk on the DLR was all they got. There should've been so much training and so many drills it was burnt into their brains. The kids should've been terrified of crossing the boundary, but instead, they seemed to have no idea why it might be stupid.



** Quite likely there would have been more training, but the kids ran away basically on the following day, and the military would have expected Don to brief them prior to their training drills.



*** Don would still have kissed her (probably), no matter when or how she was found. Even if the kids hadn't escaped the safe zone and found her, the soldiers eventually would have. All it might have done was delay the inevitable, since apparently Don's kind of a moron. (As are the military, for not posting a frickin' guard at her door.)

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*** ** Don would still have kissed her (probably), no matter when or how she was found. Even if the kids hadn't escaped the safe zone and found her, the soldiers eventually would have. All it might have done was delay the inevitable, since apparently Don's kind of a moron. moron (As are the military, for not posting a frickin' guard at her door.)door).



*** Moreover, Don wouldn't have known to come looking for her if the kids hadn't told him they found her, meaning no one would have gotten around to reuniting with her family until later, when she'd resumed talking and her identity had been verified. By then, her blood would've identified her as a carrier and she'd either have been quietly killed, or (if the lady doctor had been more persuasive about her value as a possible cure) her family warned of the risk and kept at arms' length.

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*** ** Moreover, Don wouldn't have known to come looking for her if the kids hadn't told him they found her, meaning no one would have gotten around to reuniting with her family until later, when she'd resumed talking and her identity had been verified. By then, her blood would've identified her as a carrier and she'd either have been quietly killed, or (if the lady doctor had been more persuasive about her value as a possible cure) her family warned of the risk and kept at arms' length.



** The sister knew, or at least seemed aware of the possibility. When the pilot asks if they are safe to board, she purposefully tries to hide her little brother and the way it's shot implies she's trying to keep them from seeing his eyes. It would make no sense to hide him (especially right after being asked if they were 'safe' ie: not infected) unless she thought he was, and her awareness to hide his eyes really drives that home.

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** The sister knew, or at least seemed aware of the possibility. When the pilot asks if they are safe to board, she purposefully tries to hide her little brother and the way it's shot implies she's trying to keep them from seeing his eyes. It would make no sense to hide him (especially right after being asked if they were 'safe' ie: i.e. not infected) unless she thought he was, and her awareness to hide his eyes really drives that home.



** Northern Ireland has a troubled political history and even given the crisis shown in these movies, it may be a very tall order for the Republicans to swallow accepting both a British Government in exile and a huge (British) military presence in Ulster.



* What's the point of the Code Red protocol, besides showing US armed forces shooting and blowing up stuff? There is no real need to exterminate the infected, since it's known that they can't survive long on their own. A much smarter solution would be for the military to exfiltrate as fast as they could, leaving the civilians behind. Yeah, that would suck for the civies, but being shot on sight isn't exactly better.

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** A bad oversight by the military which cost them dearly.
* What's the point of the Code Red protocol, besides showing US armed forces shooting and blowing up stuff? There is no real need to exterminate the infected, since it's known that they can't survive long on their own. A much smarter solution would be for the military to exfiltrate as fast as they could, leaving the civilians behind. Yeah, that would suck for the civies, but being shot on sight isn't exactly better. better.
** If they had any hope of a relatively easier cleanup outside of Zone 1, they had to exterminate the infected. Moreover, to prevent the remote chance of infected managing to escape Great Britain.



** If you infer that the helicopter crash resulted in the death of one or both of the kids, but also that they infected people coming to their aid, then that could have contributed to the breakdown of France's defences. Presume that France wouldn't be so ruthless as to just shoot down an evaucee helicopter; maybe they greeted them on the ground with weapons ready, but they were still overwhelmed by the infected kids (and pilot too, potentially). Meanwhile, the ending shows that other infected ran from England through the Channel Tunnel. Now that's a chokepoint which is reasonably possible to defend at both ends... but it's still a chokepoint, meaning that if they overwhelm those defences (no matter how many infected they sacrifice to the gun turret emplacements etc), they can then funnel subsequent infected through the Tunnel and hence arrive into France and start to infect ''en masse''. Both the crash and the Tunnel attack together probably had the effect of overwhelming the French State, similarly to how the UK was originally overwhelmed.

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** If you infer that the helicopter crash resulted in the death of one or both of the kids, but also that they infected people coming to their aid, then that could have contributed to the breakdown of France's defences. Presume that France wouldn't be so ruthless as to just shoot down an evaucee evaucation helicopter; maybe they greeted them on the ground with weapons ready, but they were still overwhelmed by the infected kids (and pilot too, potentially). Meanwhile, the ending shows that other infected ran from England through the Channel Tunnel. Tunnel and eventually made it to Calais, then more inland into France. Now that's that tunnel is a chokepoint which is reasonably possible to defend at both ends... but it's still a chokepoint, meaning that if they overwhelm those defences (no matter how many infected they sacrifice to the gun turret emplacements etc), they can then funnel subsequent infected through the Tunnel and hence arrive into France and start to infect ''en masse''. Both the crash and the Tunnel attack together probably had the effect of overwhelming the French State, similarly to how the UK was originally overwhelmed.

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*** Seriously. When the alarms go off, everyone goes to the nearest windowless room (or even preprepared saferooms) and locks the door. They form a roster, communicate to central command and wait for the all-clear. Boom. Nice, isolated population, and you can determine who the Infected are by the process of elimination, so you can communicate back who exactly to watch out for. Problem solved.
*** One would think the first three rules for re-settlement would be this: 1: Ensure all living quarters are isolated and able to be completely secureable, 2: Have each of these quarters stocked with enough emergency supplies to keep the occupant alive for a few weeks, and 3: when alarm sounds, everyone goes back home and locks themselves in until further notice. Then all the army has to do is use a check-in system or physically check each room to see who survived and who didn't after everything is relatively secure.
* For such a horrible disease that they contained to a single island why not hit it with a neutron bomb or give it a mass chemical weapon bath to ensure it wouldn't get to the rest of world. Gee look a virus that spreads so fast its overtaken a whole nation and then some. Nuke the island bet the virus dies in the atomic fireball.

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*** ** Seriously. When the alarms go off, everyone goes to the nearest windowless room (or even preprepared saferooms) and locks the door. They form a roster, communicate to central command and wait for the all-clear. Boom. Nice, isolated population, and you can determine who the Infected are by the process of elimination, so you can communicate back who exactly to watch out for. Problem solved.
*** ** One would think the first three rules for re-settlement would be this: 1: Ensure all living quarters are isolated and able to be completely secureable, securable, 2: Have each of these quarters stocked with enough emergency supplies to keep the occupant alive for a few weeks, and 3: when alarm sounds, everyone goes back home and locks themselves in until further notice. Then all the army has to do is use a check-in system or physically check each room to see who survived and who didn't after everything is relatively secure.
* For such a horrible disease that they contained to a single island why not hit it with a neutron bomb or give it a mass chemical weapon bath to ensure it wouldn't get to the rest of world. Gee look a virus that spreads so fast its it's overtaken a whole nation and then some. Nuke the island bet the virus dies in the atomic fireball.



** Clearly they invented bombs; firebombs, at least.



*** Fallout from a high enough airburst is minimal, but then again, try explaining that to the politicians.
*** Maybe fuel bombs then?
*** Fallout from a single bomb is much better than a worldwide pandemic. Plus, if done high enough (where it should be done anyway, because it increases the effective radius) little to no fallout is produced at all.
*** May I point out that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are thriving urban centers today?
** And a slight increase in thyroid cancer rates downwind of Britian is so much worse than inevitable zombie apocalyse.

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*** ** Fallout from a high enough airburst is minimal, but then again, try explaining that to the politicians.
*** ** Maybe fuel bombs then?
*** ** Fallout from a single bomb is much better than a worldwide pandemic. Plus, if done high enough (where it should be done anyway, because it increases the effective radius) little to no fallout is produced at all.
*** ** May I point out that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are thriving urban centers centres today?
** And a slight increase in thyroid cancer rates downwind of Britian Britain is so much worse than inevitable zombie apocalyse.apocalypse.



*** Indeed. Which is why they used nerve gas in 28 Weeks Later. The thing that's throwing people here is that the Code Red would have worked, if not for a military pilot breaking orders and bringing a carrier over the channel.

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*** ** Indeed. Which is why they used nerve gas in 28 Weeks Later. The thing that's throwing people here is that the Code Red would have worked, if not for a military pilot breaking orders and bringing a carrier over the channel.



*** That's an extreme over-simplification. In reality, a Neutron Bomb is virtually indistinguishable from a normal nuclear weapon (it '''is''' a nuclear weapon) in effects - the only real difference is that heavily shielded people (such as those within a NBC-protected tank) would be lethally irradiated, even though they were protected from the blast.
** I agree that decontaminating Britain first would have been a real good idea. The problem is, Britain is '''huge'''. And nobody here seems to understand the problems that disinfecting a large area from a biological weapon (which Rage effectively is) presents. Neutron bombs would be useless (see the above explanation), because there's no indication that the Infected would be radiation-vulnerable. And the area affected by any sort of a Nuke is tiny, compared to the area of Britain as a whole. Nerve gas and other chemical weapons also ''might'' kill the Infected, but that's a big unknown, and the cleanup from them afterwards is ''even worse''. Frankly, about the only sane way would be to develop a specific anti-Rage virus compound, put it in an aerosol, and spray it over a (small) section of the country. The military would then occupy that section, run around and spray the anti-Rage on everything, wait a couple of weeks, then repeat that on an adjacent area. Frankly, disinfecting a country the size of Britain would almost certainly take '''decades'''. There's simply no quick-fix.

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*** ** That's an extreme over-simplification. In reality, a Neutron Bomb is virtually indistinguishable from a normal nuclear weapon (it '''is''' a nuclear weapon) in effects - the only real difference is that heavily shielded people (such as those within a NBC-protected tank) would be lethally irradiated, even though they were protected from the blast.
** I agree that decontaminating Britain first would have been a real good idea. The problem is, Britain is '''huge'''. And nobody here seems to understand the problems that disinfecting a large area from a biological weapon (which Rage effectively is) presents. Neutron bombs would be useless (see the above explanation), because there's no indication that the Infected would be radiation-vulnerable. And the area affected by any sort of a Nuke nuke is tiny, compared to the area of Britain as a whole. Nerve gas and other chemical weapons also ''might'' kill the Infected, but that's a big unknown, and the cleanup from them afterwards is ''even worse''. Frankly, about the only sane way would be to develop a specific anti-Rage virus compound, put it in an aerosol, and spray it over a (small) section of the country. The military would then occupy that section, run around and spray the anti-Rage on everything, wait a couple of weeks, then repeat that on an adjacent area. Frankly, disinfecting a country the size of Britain would almost certainly take '''decades'''. There's simply no quick-fix.



*** Not after the infection has wiped out/evicted the entire population.

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*** The British Channel is the last barrier between TheVirus and mainland Europe, Africa and maybe even Asia. At this point, having observed the events in the UK, everybody must be aware that this would lead to the near extinction of whole continents. I think, it can be safely assumed that the French would pursue a strategy of "shoot first, ask questions later" in that case.
*** Exactly. Cause a minor international incident, or possibly introduce the worst virus on the planet to your country? Hrm.
*** Yes, but would a French SAM missile battery operator necessarily know that the situation had so thoroughly deteriorated in the last day that they should fire at will at all helicopters coming over the channel? And wouldn't the military-trained pilot flying the helicopter specifically try to avoid being shot down? And isn't the whole point moot anyway, because the helicopter ''crashed''? They may have very well swatted it out of the sky.
*** The helicopter WAS shot down, hence the scene with the shot down helicopter.

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*** ** The British Channel is the last barrier between TheVirus and mainland Europe, Africa and maybe even Asia. At this point, having observed the events in the UK, everybody must be aware that this would lead to the near extinction of whole continents. I think, it can be safely assumed that the French would pursue a strategy of "shoot first, ask questions later" in that case.
*** ** Exactly. Cause a minor international incident, or possibly introduce the worst virus on the planet to your country? Hrm.
*** ** Yes, but would a French SAM missile battery operator necessarily know that the situation had so thoroughly deteriorated in the last day that they should fire at will at all helicopters coming over the channel? And wouldn't the military-trained pilot flying the helicopter specifically try to avoid being shot down? And isn't the whole point moot anyway, because the helicopter ''crashed''? They may have very well swatted it out of the sky.
*** ** The helicopter WAS shot down, hence the scene with the shot down helicopter.helicopter.
** Actually it's not really possible to say it was shot down or otherwise. What's the "otherwise" in this case? Well if either of the children succumbed to the infection over French soil (one fan theory is that because of Andy showing heterochromia i.e. different coloured eyes like his mother, so too would be be an asymptomatic carrier) e.g. by some of Andy's blood getting into a scratch on Tammy's body, then of course they would surely attack Flynn and cause a crash that way. Indeed, at least one version of the screenplay indicates that it happened this way. Furthermore, the level of crash damage arguably isn't consistent with SAM damage; one would have to cross reference all French SAM types used around 2007 and the type of destruction they can cause to see if this could be possible.



** A room secured only by a standard set of fire doors, no less. Oh and kept in darkness, to keep them nice and panicy. At least if it had been a reinforced bunker, then maybe it wouldn't have been such a wall banger.

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** A room secured only by a standard set of fire doors, no less. Oh and kept in darkness, to keep them nice and panicy.panicky. At least if it had been a reinforced bunker, then maybe it wouldn't have been such a wall banger.
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*** The majority of water the body loses is lost through excretion (feces and urine), so if the infection simply stops the digestive process altogether it'd slow down dehydration while also making the victim unable to process food and drink.
*** Not eating would only slow down defecation, reducing water loss by about 4%. Urination is a separate physiological process; shutting ''that'' down would cause death from accumulated blood toxins within days, especially in a starving subject. The Infected must've been slurping up water from puddles and so forth on the sly.
*** The infected were shown to be vomiting blood so frequently in 28 Days Later, they should have been at risk of dying of dehydration in less than 24 hours.
** Remember, the virus was Rage, eating the victim wasn't their goal, just killing them to satisfy their rage, though the food was just a bonus. WordOfGod (28 Days Later: The Aftermath comic) states that Infected detect non-Infected by smells of deoderant, perfume etc, Infected aren't prone to splashing some on, given their somewhat dying, bloody bodies. Perhaps they simply don't feel the Rage towards their own kind?
*** But people fleeing and hiding from infected wouldn't be prone to splashing some on either. Sure the stuff you splashed on before the virus outbeak would take time to wear off but the same goes for the stuff the infectees splashed on before being infected. By the time an infectee stopped smelling like deoderant, the people hiding from him would have too. For that matter, most children and many sick people (including people who've been lying in hospital beds for [[Film/TwentyEightDaysLater 28 days]]), a good percentage of people who work at home, and, well, let's just say "the stereotypical science-fiction convention attendee" don't necessarily wear perfume, deoderant, cologne, etc., especially not every single day. There would be far more survivors if only people who'd applied perfume, deoderant, etc. were being targetted. Not to mention the fact that they'd either ignore any non-infected they see at a distance or through a glass window (because they couldn't smell them) or they'd charge anything they saw - including other infectees - until they got close enough to smell them.
*** Best evidence of all that the "infected target their victims because of deodorant" theory is a load of hooey? Because we saw them attacking freaking '''rats''' in the first movie. Not many of ''those'' are going to be wearing deodorant. Nibbling on it, conceivably, but not wearing it.
* The whole movie was written in the era of everyone blaming America for everything. The writers deftly managed to find a way to make a virus invented by British scientists America's fault. While not actually ret-conning it to being an American-made virus, they brought the US military in to be the idiots of the movie. Hopefully this helped the whiny far-left writers blow off some steam and maybe their next project won't be such a transparent "America Sucks"-a-thon

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*** ** The majority of water the body loses is lost through excretion (feces and urine), so if the infection simply stops the digestive process altogether it'd slow down dehydration while also making the victim unable to process food and drink.
*** ** Not eating would only slow down defecation, reducing water loss by about 4%. Urination is a separate physiological process; shutting ''that'' down would cause death from accumulated blood toxins within days, especially in a starving subject. The Infected must've been slurping up water from puddles and so forth on the sly.
*** ** The infected were shown to be vomiting blood so frequently in 28 Days Later, they should have been at risk of dying of dehydration in less than 24 hours.
** Remember, the virus was Rage, eating the victim wasn't their goal, just killing them to satisfy their rage, though the food was just a bonus. WordOfGod (28 Days Later: The Aftermath comic) states that Infected detect non-Infected by smells of deoderant, deodorant, perfume etc, etc. Infected aren't prone to splashing some on, given their somewhat dying, bloody bodies. Perhaps they simply don't feel the Rage towards their own kind?
*** ** But people fleeing and hiding from infected wouldn't be prone to splashing some on either. Sure the stuff you splashed on before the virus outbeak outbreak would take time to wear off but the same goes for the stuff the infectees infected splashed on before being infected. By the time an infectee infected stopped smelling like deoderant, deodorant, the people hiding from him would have too. For that matter, most children and many sick people (including people who've been lying in hospital beds for [[Film/TwentyEightDaysLater 28 days]]), a good percentage of people who work at home, and, well, let's just say "the stereotypical science-fiction convention attendee" don't necessarily wear perfume, deoderant, deodorant, cologne, etc., etc, especially not every single day. There would be far more survivors if only people who'd applied perfume, deoderant, etc. deodorant, etc were being targetted. Not to mention the fact that they'd either ignore any non-infected they see at a distance or through a glass window (because they couldn't smell them) or they'd charge anything they saw - including other infectees infected - until they got close enough to smell them.
*** ** Best evidence of all that the "infected target their victims because of deodorant" theory is a load of hooey? Because we saw them attacking freaking '''rats''' in the first movie. Not many of ''those'' are going to be wearing deodorant. Nibbling on it, conceivably, but not wearing it.
* The whole movie was written in the era of everyone blaming America for everything. The writers deftly managed to find a way to make a virus invented by British scientists America's fault. While not actually ret-conning retconning it to being an American-made virus, they brought the US military in to be the idiots of the movie. Hopefully this helped the whiny far-left writers blow off some steam and maybe their next project won't be such a transparent "America Sucks"-a-thonSucks"-a-thon.



*Seconded. Really though, what was so unAmerican about the portrayal of the US military? Do you really think that if this situation happened that the military wouldn't take the actions that they did? They were in a hopeless situation. Giving the final kill order was the only option that they had left.
** Just to explain how the American Military was portrayed as idiots we can start with the part where two children were able to escape the protection zone, the way they gathered the population in a room with one entrance, the overall lack of guards.....anywhere. While the "British" characters might have been stupid, a lot of their actions were motivated by emotional content. The American stupidity came from straight up stupidity.
*** Also, far-left? I must have fallen asleep during the bits where Robert Carlyle advocated collective ownership of means of production.
*** Both movies make a pretty good case for why gun control is a suicidal bad idea. Or as Jim from Film/TwentyEightDaysLater would put it, "This is a really '''shit''' idea. And you know how I know? because it's a ''really obviously '''shit''' idea."
*** The movies make a case for why gun control is a suicidally bad idea in a world where zombies (or rage virus infectees, if you prefer) exist. Since they don't in the real world, if proving that point was the movie's goal (which I don't think it was) it would be a great example of a SpaceWhaleAesop. The movie no more "proves" that gun control is a suicidally bad idea than werewolf movies "prove" that not silver-plating everything is a suicidally bad idea, or the average slasher movie "proves" that [[DeathBySex having sex]] is a suicidally bad idea.

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*Seconded.** Seconded. Really though, what was so unAmerican about the portrayal of the US military? Do you really think that if this situation happened that the military wouldn't take the actions that they did? They were in a hopeless situation. Giving the final kill order was the only option that they had left.
** Just to explain how the American Military military was portrayed as idiots we can start with the part where two children were able to escape the protection zone, the way they gathered the population in a room with one entrance, the overall lack of guards.....guards... anywhere. While the "British" characters might have been stupid, a lot of their actions were motivated by emotional content. The American stupidity came from straight up stupidity.
*** ** Also, far-left? I must have fallen asleep during the bits where Robert Carlyle advocated collective ownership of means of production.
*** ** Both movies make a pretty good case for why gun control is a suicidal bad idea. Or as Jim from Film/TwentyEightDaysLater would put it, "This is a really '''shit''' idea. And you know how I know? because it's a ''really '''really obviously '''shit''' shit''' idea."
*** ** The movies make a case for why gun control is a suicidally bad idea in a world where zombies (or rage virus infectees, if you prefer) exist. Since they don't in the real world, if proving that point was the movie's goal (which I don't think it was) it would be a great example of a SpaceWhaleAesop. The movie no more "proves" that gun control is a suicidally bad idea than werewolf movies "prove" that not silver-plating everything is a suicidally bad idea, or the average slasher movie "proves" that [[DeathBySex having sex]] is a suicidally bad idea.



* Why are only American troops shown in the movie if US and NATO forces are involved? Where are Britain's Continental neighbors? Why don't they send troops?
** Because the U.S. is the single-largest NATO member and have always taken point in NATO operations. More than anyone else, they have the manpower, resources, and organization to pull of something as monumental as the quarantine and eventual repatriation of Britain; on a more cynical note Britain's continental neighbors probably preferred to let the Americans assume the risk of dealing with potential Rage infectees. Furthermore, those neighbors were all probably not only knee-deep in refugees, but were more concerned with keeping their own forces back in case Rage somehow jumped the Channel.

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* Why are only American troops shown in the movie if US and NATO forces are involved? Where are Britain's Continental neighbors? neighbours? Why don't they send troops?
** Because the U.S. is the single-largest NATO member and have always taken point in NATO operations. More than anyone else, they have the manpower, resources, and organization to pull of off something as monumental as the quarantine and eventual repatriation of Britain; on a more cynical note Britain's continental neighbors neighbours probably preferred to let the Americans assume the risk of dealing with potential Rage infectees. infected. Furthermore, those neighbors neighbours were all probably not only knee-deep in refugees, but were more concerned with keeping their own forces back in case Rage somehow jumped the Channel.
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** It's probably because, for all intents and purposes, they really are almost exactly like other 'fast' class zombies. Maybe it the movies had actually done something to illustrate the differences, people would see them as something separate from the undead.
*** Like what? Have the father follow his children without attacking them? That happened. Killing the infected in conventional ways that would kill the average human? That happened. Have them actually die of natural causes and starvation? That happened. Have them retain a level of their intelligence?with immunities to the virus? That happened. The only thing even remotely zombie-like was that the infected could infect others, but the same is true for most viruses and diseases. They are people, alive and intelligent as ever, just really, really angry. If being angry makes a zombie, then most people on earth are zombies.
*** You say follow without attacking, I say stalk, which some zombies do. As for killing zombies in ways that would kill humans, most 'fast class' zombies are fragile like that to make up for their speed. I have no idea where you're getting the 'they have intelligence' bit, though plenty of zombies, fast and slow, retain intelligence (heck, I can recall one that learns how to use a gun). And normal zombies do the whole 'some people are immune' thing as well. These are all zombie traits.
*** Sigh. In the film, Don follows his kids around, not doing anything until the very end. Even then, he does not attack the children straight away. There is even one point where he watches from afar and then leaves. If he was a zombie, he would not just stand around doing nothing whilst someone was a short distance away, he would journey towards the food. As for intelligence? WordOfGod. And zombies don't retain intelligence; they aren't sick people, they are '''dead'''. Dead people do not retain intelligence or memories. What examples do you have of other so-called 'fast' zombies being killed by something as simple as being gassed? And what zombie movies have people who are immune? Don't say Resident Evil; Alice's strain was mutated. She is infected, but in a different way. The virus works in the way in which it was originally intended. She had no natural immunity.
*** On the 'dead people do not retain memories' bit, ''Day of the Dead'' and ''Land of the Dead'' would like to have a word with you. Both by modern-zombie codifier [[Creator/GeorgeRomero George Friggin Romero]].
*** They're called zombies because zombies have an entire genre of movie dedicated to them and Rage virus victims don't. It's an imprecise way to classify the film, but it works for some people because of the similarities in tone, implications and setting.
*** "Zombie" does not mean "undead" or "dead"; it means a mindless person. Under voodooism (you know, where the word "zombie" comes from) a zombie was just a regular person under the domination of a Bokor's magic. In the truest sense of the word then, the only modern movie that could be called a true "zombie movie" is ''The Serpent and the Rainbow''. The Romero model of zombie (which Romero took mostly from VAMPIRE folklore) is NOT the only model of zombie. People can try all of this genre gerrymandering that they like but it just looks laughably nitpicky.
*** Exactly. No, they're truely undead zombies, but it's a zombie movie ''in spirit'' and more-or-less fits the genre.
*** And to be honest, if I was in the position that those guys are in, I'd want something pretty simple to call the enemy- 'mindless and really angry people' doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
*** How about "Infected" Its short and sounds better than zombie.
*** Since 28 Days Later, I think that Infected has become the de-facto name for zombies-that-are-not-zombies-because-they-are-alive, it worked for VideoGame/Left4Dead.

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** It's probably because, for all intents and purposes, they really are almost exactly like other 'fast' class zombies. Maybe it if the movies had actually done something to illustrate the differences, people would see them as something separate from the undead.
*** ** Like what? Have the father follow his children without attacking them? That happened. Killing the infected in conventional ways that would kill the average human? That happened. Have them actually die of natural causes and starvation? That happened. Have them retain a level of their intelligence?with intelligence? With immunities to the virus? That happened. The only thing even remotely zombie-like was that the infected could infect others, but the same is true for most viruses and diseases. They are people, alive and intelligent as ever, just really, really angry. If being angry makes a zombie, then most people on earth are zombies.
*** ** You say follow without attacking, I say stalk, which some zombies do. As for killing zombies in ways that would kill humans, most 'fast class' zombies are fragile like that to make up for their speed. I have no idea where you're getting the 'they have intelligence' bit, though plenty of zombies, fast and slow, retain intelligence (heck, I can recall one that learns how to use a gun). And normal zombies do the whole 'some people are immune' thing as well. These are all zombie traits.
*** ** Sigh. In the film, Don follows his kids around, not doing anything until the very end. Even then, he does not attack the children straight away. There is even one point where he watches from afar and then leaves. If he was a zombie, he would not just stand around doing nothing whilst someone was a short distance away, he would journey towards the food. As for intelligence? WordOfGod. And zombies don't retain intelligence; they aren't sick people, they are '''dead'''. Dead people do not retain intelligence or memories. What examples do you have of other so-called 'fast' zombies being killed by something as simple as being gassed? And what zombie movies have people who are immune? Don't say Resident Evil; Alice's strain was mutated. She is infected, but in a different way. The virus works in the way in which it was originally intended. She had no natural immunity.
*** ** On the 'dead people do not retain memories' bit, ''Day of the Dead'' and ''Land of the Dead'' would like to have a word with you. Both by modern-zombie codifier [[Creator/GeorgeRomero George Friggin Romero]].
*** ** They're called zombies because zombies have an entire genre of movie dedicated to them and Rage virus victims don't. It's an imprecise way to classify the film, but it works for some people because of the similarities in tone, implications and setting.
*** ** "Zombie" does not mean "undead" or "dead"; it means a mindless person. Under voodooism (you know, where the word "zombie" comes from) a zombie was just a regular person under the domination of a Bokor's magic. In the truest sense of the word then, the only modern movie that could be called a true "zombie movie" is ''The Serpent and the Rainbow''. The Romero model of zombie (which Romero took mostly from VAMPIRE folklore) is NOT the only model of zombie. People can try all of this genre gerrymandering that they like but it just looks laughably nitpicky.
*** ** Exactly. No, they're truely not truly undead zombies, but it's a zombie movie ''in spirit'' and more-or-less fits the genre.
*** ** And to be honest, if I was in the position that those guys are in, I'd want something pretty simple to call the enemy- 'mindless and really angry people' doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
*** ** How about "Infected" Its "Infected"? It's short and sounds better than zombie.
*** ** Since 28 Days Later, I think that Infected has become the de-facto name for zombies-that-are-not-zombies-because-they-are-alive, it worked for VideoGame/Left4Dead.



** While not addressed in the film it is possible that the flesh of the infected is toxic and would be pretty undigestable. That and the virus might cause the victim to emit a scent that makes a victim not want to eat another infected to allow for better spread. If that's the case that's a pretty nasty virus.

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** While not addressed in the film it is possible that the flesh of the infected is toxic and would be pretty undigestable.indigestible. That and the virus might cause the victim to emit a scent that makes a victim not want to eat another infected to allow for better spread. If that's the case that's a pretty nasty virus.
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** As the track on the soundtrack says aptly, Abandon Selective Targeting. Even their own soldiers on the ground were targets, remember poor Doyle?

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** As the track on the soundtrack says aptly, aptly says, Abandon Selective Targeting. Even their own soldiers on the ground were targets, remember poor Doyle?

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