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31st May '18 10:24:15 PM CommanderAce
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* Why were the Mirage-Turtles so eager to murder their counterparts in cold blood without giving them a chance to explain the situation? This happens again in the 2012 series episode, ''Trans-Dimensional Turtles''.

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* Why were the Mirage-Turtles so eager to murder their counterparts in cold blood without giving them a chance to explain the situation? This happens again in the 2012 series episode, ''Trans-Dimensional Turtles''.Turtles''.
** Going off speculation in some of the earlier entries, it likely has to do with how the Mirage Turtles were less heroic and more bloodthirsty than most incarnations. This is also the first issue moment of those Turtles that is being presented, where they were less distinct and mostly spent the issue killing. While it could be chalked up to Flanderization, itís likely the gritty Turtles viewed two sets of Ninja Turtles as a trick from the invading Technodrome to kill them and reacted as such. The other Ninja Turtles are pretty different in many ways, so itís only natural the more ruthless Mirage Turtles react with such hostility to what seems like a bunch of pale imitations.
26th May '18 12:35:20 AM ComicLover1995
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*** Keep in mind the Mirage shredder is far weaker than the 03 Utrom Shredder and even he was tougher than any of the Mirage turtles 1v1 and they had to gang up on him to beat him. The turtles weren't trying to fight the Mirage versions and Leo only deflected his blows. Considering the opposition the 03 Turtles had to fight vs the Mirage versions, and including the mystic season, the 2003 versions are the strongest and have the best track record. This troper just chalked that fight up to letting the Mirage turtles look cool since it was their only showing towards the end and they're the original turtles.

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*** Keep in mind the Mirage shredder is far weaker than the 03 Utrom Shredder and even he was tougher than any of the Mirage turtles 1v1 and they had to gang up on him to beat him. The turtles weren't trying to fight the Mirage versions and Leo only deflected his blows. Considering the opposition the 03 Turtles had to fight vs the Mirage versions, and including the mystic season, the 2003 versions are the strongest and have the best track record. This troper just chalked that fight up to letting the Mirage turtles look cool since it was their only showing towards the end and they're the original turtles.turtles.
* Why were the Mirage-Turtles so eager to murder their counterparts in cold blood without giving them a chance to explain the situation? This happens again in the 2012 series episode, ''Trans-Dimensional Turtles''.
14th Dec '15 6:32:09 AM lepouvantail
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** They may have had different quirks, but their personalities in the original cartoon always had a fair amount of overlap. Think back to the five-episode pilot (which is apparently where the ''Turtles Forever'' producers got most of their cues from)--it had plenty of scenes where the turtles acted "goofy and cartoonish" (their scene at the pizza parlor, the scene at April's appartment). Now,this doesn't mean that the movie couldn't have done a better job of making them distinct--'88 Leo, in particular, got shafted by the fact that '03 turtles were calling the shots--but given the time constraints, I think the movie generally did an excellent job of portraying them.

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** They may have had different quirks, but their personalities in the original cartoon always had a fair amount of overlap. Think back to the five-episode pilot (which is apparently where the ''Turtles Forever'' producers got most of their cues from)--it had plenty of scenes where the turtles acted "goofy and cartoonish" (their scene at the pizza parlor, the scene at April's appartment).apartment). Now,this doesn't mean that the movie couldn't have done a better job of making them distinct--'88 Leo, in particular, got shafted by the fact that '03 turtles were calling the shots--but given the time constraints, I think the movie generally did an excellent job of portraying them.
26th Jul '15 10:38:08 PM Warwolf
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*** Bear in mind as well that Krang's species was actually ''shown'' in the original show when they jumped to CBS when he created a number of clones that grew bodies of their own, and they looked like twelve foot tall lizard-men with ridged spines down their backs and extended tails. In short, Krang not only wouldn't have considered Ch'Rell to be a member of his species, he wouldn't even consider him to be a ''brain''. Mainly because in all truth, he's '''''not'''''. He's basically a blobby mass with tentacles.
28th Jun '15 7:46:04 AM TheCMaster
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** In addition to the above Ch'rell isn't that much more talented than Leonardo. Given the completely onesided beating the Mirage Turtles gave the combined 2k3 and '87 (I know the '87 turtles were largely incompetent) I would not take odds on Ch'rell 1v1 vs any of the turtles and certainly not as a group. Finally even if he did survive his suit certainly didn't. I haven't read a Turtle comic since the mid 90's, is access to the technology needed for a suit something realistic to put together with limited resources there? Without his suit he wouldn't even be a nuisance to those hard shelled blokes.

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** In addition to the above Ch'rell isn't that much more talented than Leonardo. Given the completely onesided beating the Mirage Turtles gave the combined 2k3 and '87 (I know the '87 turtles were largely incompetent) I would not take odds on Ch'rell 1v1 vs any of the turtles and certainly not as a group. Finally even if he did survive his suit certainly didn't. I haven't read a Turtle comic since the mid 90's, is access to the technology needed for a suit something realistic to put together with limited resources there? Without his suit he wouldn't even be a nuisance to those hard shelled blokes.blokes.
*** Keep in mind the Mirage shredder is far weaker than the 03 Utrom Shredder and even he was tougher than any of the Mirage turtles 1v1 and they had to gang up on him to beat him. The turtles weren't trying to fight the Mirage versions and Leo only deflected his blows. Considering the opposition the 03 Turtles had to fight vs the Mirage versions, and including the mystic season, the 2003 versions are the strongest and have the best track record. This troper just chalked that fight up to letting the Mirage turtles look cool since it was their only showing towards the end and they're the original turtles.
18th Aug '14 12:51:18 PM SeanRenaud
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** Well he wouldn't have access to the Technodrome's resources anymore. Even if he found the Mirage Utroms, the fact that he's an actual color would tip them off.

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** Well he wouldn't have access to the Technodrome's resources anymore. Even if he found the Mirage Utroms, the fact that he's an actual color would tip them off.off.
**In addition to the above Ch'rell isn't that much more talented than Leonardo. Given the completely onesided beating the Mirage Turtles gave the combined 2k3 and '87 (I know the '87 turtles were largely incompetent) I would not take odds on Ch'rell 1v1 vs any of the turtles and certainly not as a group. Finally even if he did survive his suit certainly didn't. I haven't read a Turtle comic since the mid 90's, is access to the technology needed for a suit something realistic to put together with limited resources there? Without his suit he wouldn't even be a nuisance to those hard shelled blokes.
18th Aug '14 10:24:32 AM MMTrigger
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* Karai's line at the end implies that 2003 Shredder could still be alive. He does have this annoying habit of surviving his battles. If he is alive, then he is stuck in the mirage world. What's stopping him from trying to kill the mirage turtles again?

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* Karai's line at the end implies that 2003 Shredder could still be alive. He does have this annoying habit of surviving his battles. If he is alive, then he is stuck in the mirage world. What's stopping him from trying to kill the mirage turtles again?again?
** Well he wouldn't have access to the Technodrome's resources anymore. Even if he found the Mirage Utroms, the fact that he's an actual color would tip them off.
17th Feb '14 1:26:10 AM Fredderp2013
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* Karai's line at the end implies that 2003 Shredder could still be alive. He does have this annoying habit of surviving his battles. If he is alive, then he is stuck in the mirage world. What's stopping him from trying to kill the mirage turtles again?
16th Feb '14 9:48:15 AM SeanRenaud
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** It's not paranoia, it's irrational hatred. Honestly if he hadn't been driven mad by the revelation (so much so that starting with Karai but eventually even Hun turn on him) he would have come to the much more logical and (if not for the fact that villains can't win) successful plan of uniting the Multiverse of Shredders most of whom are quite capable of defeating their respective Turtles in a fair fight.
15th Feb '14 11:01:39 PM Fredderp2013
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* Is Ch'rell paranoid or what? Yes he saw turtles from other worlds, but they should be no concern to him. There are like a million other universes out there they could enter, what are the odds that some of them will show up in the 2003 universe to fight Ch'rell? Pretty slim.

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* Is Ch'rell paranoid or what? Yes he saw turtles from other worlds, but they should be no concern to him. There are like a million other universes out there they could enter, what there. What are the odds that some of them the other million turtles will show up in the 2003 universe to fight Ch'rell? Pretty slim.
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