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* So...The Turtles and TheMultiverse, eh? What about Dimension X? The Battle Nexus? Are there Ninja Turtles there, too?
** No, but Mikey is '''[[RunningGag Battle Nexus CHAMPION!]]'''
*** Dimension X isn't a completely separate universe, "just" another dimension that's attached to the "main" 1987 universe. Like how Marvel's Dark Dimension is not a separate alternate universe, but more of a parasite universe.
** Try watching this movie right after ''Back to the Sewers''' last episode. With the Technodrome's rampage on modern New York, you had to wonder...where is the Justice Force?
** Why is Bebop's human form shown walking the streets of the 87 TMNT universe?
*** [[FridgeBrilliance Perhaps as a]] ShoutOut [[FridgeBrilliance to the animation errors in the earlier seasons of the cartoon series]]?
*** Where the heck is Serling? And Dr. Chapman?
*** Probably back in 2105. ''Wedding Bells and Bytes'' shows that Cody fixed the time window again, so he probably used it to bring Serling back into the future after the wedding. Also, it's Chaplin. No idea about him though.
*** Chaplin was never seen during ''Back to the Sewer'' and was seen walking away from the Foot Clan with Karai at the end of the 2003 series' fourth season (before ''Fast Forward'' and a year before the events of ''Back to the Sewer''.) It seems like he just left the Foot Clan and never looked back.
*** Chaplin appears in the final episode, "Wedding Bells and Bytes". He's Karai's date to Casey and April's wedding.
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* Turtles Forever: aren't the '87 Turtles supposed to have distinct personalities? I mean, what happened to "Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines/Raphael is cool but crude, Michelangelo is a party dude"?

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* Turtles Forever: aren't Aren't the '87 Turtles supposed to have distinct personalities? I mean, what happened to "Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines/Raphael is cool but crude, Michelangelo is a party dude"?



** The CharacterExaggeration of the '87 Turtles really bugged me too. Sure they threw the old series a bone every now and then, but to me it seemed like most of the time the '87 turtles were only there to be made fun of, so everyone could see how much more "awesome" the 2003 series apparently is. I did enjoy seeing the ''original'' turtles from the comics wipe the smug looks off the 2003 turtles faces though.

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** The CharacterExaggeration of the '87 Turtles really bugged me too. ** Sure they threw the old series a bone every now and then, but to me it seemed like most of the time the '87 turtles were only there to be made fun of, so everyone could see how much more "awesome" the 2003 series apparently is. I did enjoy seeing the ''original'' turtles from the comics wipe the smug looks off the 2003 turtles faces though.
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*** This can best be explained when you remember that one of the co-creators of the original comics, Peter Laird, helped produce the 2003 series, and Laird has gone on record as saying that he did not like how the 87 series turned out. In particular, the overall goofy/childish nature of the show and its deviation from the original source. So the flanderization of the 87 turtles in this film and turning most of the characters from their universe into jokes, is most likely because of Peter Laird's own disdain for the series they come from.

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*** This can best be explained when you remember that one of the co-creators of the original comics, Peter Laird, helped produce the 2003 series, and Laird has gone on record as saying that [[DisownedAdaptation he did not like how the 87 series turned out.out]]. In particular, the overall goofy/childish nature of the show and its deviation from the original source. So the flanderization of the 87 turtles in this film and turning most of the characters from their universe into jokes, is most likely because of Peter Laird's own disdain for the series they come from.
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*** This can best be explained when you remember that one of the co-creators of the original comics, Peter Laird, helped produce the 2003 series, and Laird has gone on record as saying that he did not like how the 87 series turned out. In particular, the overall goofy/childish nature of the show and its deviation from the original source. So the flanderization of the 87 turtles in this film and turning most of the characters from their universe into jokes, is most likely because of Peter Laird's own disdain for the series they come from.

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** Going off speculation in some of the earlier entries, it likely has to do with how the Mirage Turtles were less heroic and more bloodthirsty than most incarnations. This is also the first issue moment of those Turtles that is being presented, where they were less distinct and mostly spent the issue killing. While it could be chalked up to Flanderization, it’s likely the gritty Turtles viewed two sets of Ninja Turtles as a trick from the invading Technodrome to kill them and reacted as such. The other Ninja Turtles are pretty different in many ways, so it’s only natural the more ruthless Mirage Turtles react with such hostility to what seems like a bunch of pale imitations.

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** Going off speculation in some of the earlier entries, it likely has to do with how the Mirage Turtles were less heroic and more bloodthirsty than most incarnations. This is also the first issue moment of those Turtles that is being presented, where they were less distinct and mostly spent the issue killing. While it could be chalked up to Flanderization, it’s likely the gritty Turtles viewed two sets of Ninja Turtles as a trick from the invading Technodrome to kill them and reacted as such. The other Ninja Turtles are pretty different in many ways, so it’s only natural the more ruthless Mirage Turtles react with such hostility to what seems like a bunch of pale imitations.imitations.
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* The 2003 Turtles designs. Can I say "Ew?" I'm a fan of that series more then the 80s one, but their designs in this special put me off toward the others. Plus their personalities.. What happened? From what I recall of the 2003 series, they were different and less Flanderized.
** I may not have much to say about their personalities, but their designs were just fine, they were the designs from Back To The Sewer, but got rid of the visible eyes... There's not much that's different.
*** I skipped that series aside from an episode so that may be why it's odd. But if that's their design then... Ew.
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** The Mirage Turtles were most likely scoping out the situation. From their perspective, Ch'rell's Upgraded Technodrome was destroying the city and they, by themselves, had no way to tackle it. Only once they fight their assumed 'imitators' and are told the Shredder is involved with the attacking Technodrome do the Mirage Turtles readily listen to their counterparts and unite with them on a plan. In fact, Ch'rell expecting the Mirage Turtles to choose reckless heroism over pragmatic antiheroism may have served as a SpannerInTheWorks as he was ''clearly'' trying to draw the Mirage Turtles out by doing something that would have drawn the 2003 Turtles out.
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* Why were the Mirage-Turtles so eager to murder their counterparts in cold blood without giving them a chance to explain the situation? This happens again in the 2012 series episode, ''Trans-Dimensional Turtles''.

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* Why were the Mirage-Turtles so eager to murder their counterparts in cold blood without giving them a chance to explain the situation? This happens again in the 2012 series episode, ''Trans-Dimensional Turtles''.Turtles''.
** Going off speculation in some of the earlier entries, it likely has to do with how the Mirage Turtles were less heroic and more bloodthirsty than most incarnations. This is also the first issue moment of those Turtles that is being presented, where they were less distinct and mostly spent the issue killing. While it could be chalked up to Flanderization, it’s likely the gritty Turtles viewed two sets of Ninja Turtles as a trick from the invading Technodrome to kill them and reacted as such. The other Ninja Turtles are pretty different in many ways, so it’s only natural the more ruthless Mirage Turtles react with such hostility to what seems like a bunch of pale imitations.
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*** Keep in mind the Mirage shredder is far weaker than the 03 Utrom Shredder and even he was tougher than any of the Mirage turtles 1v1 and they had to gang up on him to beat him. The turtles weren't trying to fight the Mirage versions and Leo only deflected his blows. Considering the opposition the 03 Turtles had to fight vs the Mirage versions, and including the mystic season, the 2003 versions are the strongest and have the best track record. This troper just chalked that fight up to letting the Mirage turtles look cool since it was their only showing towards the end and they're the original turtles.

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*** Keep in mind the Mirage shredder is far weaker than the 03 Utrom Shredder and even he was tougher than any of the Mirage turtles 1v1 and they had to gang up on him to beat him. The turtles weren't trying to fight the Mirage versions and Leo only deflected his blows. Considering the opposition the 03 Turtles had to fight vs the Mirage versions, and including the mystic season, the 2003 versions are the strongest and have the best track record. This troper just chalked that fight up to letting the Mirage turtles look cool since it was their only showing towards the end and they're the original turtles.turtles.
* Why were the Mirage-Turtles so eager to murder their counterparts in cold blood without giving them a chance to explain the situation? This happens again in the 2012 series episode, ''Trans-Dimensional Turtles''.
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** They may have had different quirks, but their personalities in the original cartoon always had a fair amount of overlap. Think back to the five-episode pilot (which is apparently where the ''Turtles Forever'' producers got most of their cues from)--it had plenty of scenes where the turtles acted "goofy and cartoonish" (their scene at the pizza parlor, the scene at April's appartment). Now,this doesn't mean that the movie couldn't have done a better job of making them distinct--'88 Leo, in particular, got shafted by the fact that '03 turtles were calling the shots--but given the time constraints, I think the movie generally did an excellent job of portraying them.

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** They may have had different quirks, but their personalities in the original cartoon always had a fair amount of overlap. Think back to the five-episode pilot (which is apparently where the ''Turtles Forever'' producers got most of their cues from)--it had plenty of scenes where the turtles acted "goofy and cartoonish" (their scene at the pizza parlor, the scene at April's appartment).apartment). Now,this doesn't mean that the movie couldn't have done a better job of making them distinct--'88 Leo, in particular, got shafted by the fact that '03 turtles were calling the shots--but given the time constraints, I think the movie generally did an excellent job of portraying them.
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*** Bear in mind as well that Krang's species was actually ''shown'' in the original show when they jumped to CBS when he created a number of clones that grew bodies of their own, and they looked like twelve foot tall lizard-men with ridged spines down their backs and extended tails. In short, Krang not only wouldn't have considered Ch'Rell to be a member of his species, he wouldn't even consider him to be a ''brain''. Mainly because in all truth, he's '''''not'''''. He's basically a blobby mass with tentacles.
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** In addition to the above Ch'rell isn't that much more talented than Leonardo. Given the completely onesided beating the Mirage Turtles gave the combined 2k3 and '87 (I know the '87 turtles were largely incompetent) I would not take odds on Ch'rell 1v1 vs any of the turtles and certainly not as a group. Finally even if he did survive his suit certainly didn't. I haven't read a Turtle comic since the mid 90's, is access to the technology needed for a suit something realistic to put together with limited resources there? Without his suit he wouldn't even be a nuisance to those hard shelled blokes.

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** In addition to the above Ch'rell isn't that much more talented than Leonardo. Given the completely onesided beating the Mirage Turtles gave the combined 2k3 and '87 (I know the '87 turtles were largely incompetent) I would not take odds on Ch'rell 1v1 vs any of the turtles and certainly not as a group. Finally even if he did survive his suit certainly didn't. I haven't read a Turtle comic since the mid 90's, is access to the technology needed for a suit something realistic to put together with limited resources there? Without his suit he wouldn't even be a nuisance to those hard shelled blokes.blokes.
*** Keep in mind the Mirage shredder is far weaker than the 03 Utrom Shredder and even he was tougher than any of the Mirage turtles 1v1 and they had to gang up on him to beat him. The turtles weren't trying to fight the Mirage versions and Leo only deflected his blows. Considering the opposition the 03 Turtles had to fight vs the Mirage versions, and including the mystic season, the 2003 versions are the strongest and have the best track record. This troper just chalked that fight up to letting the Mirage turtles look cool since it was their only showing towards the end and they're the original turtles.
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** Well he wouldn't have access to the Technodrome's resources anymore. Even if he found the Mirage Utroms, the fact that he's an actual color would tip them off.

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** Well he wouldn't have access to the Technodrome's resources anymore. Even if he found the Mirage Utroms, the fact that he's an actual color would tip them off.off.
**In addition to the above Ch'rell isn't that much more talented than Leonardo. Given the completely onesided beating the Mirage Turtles gave the combined 2k3 and '87 (I know the '87 turtles were largely incompetent) I would not take odds on Ch'rell 1v1 vs any of the turtles and certainly not as a group. Finally even if he did survive his suit certainly didn't. I haven't read a Turtle comic since the mid 90's, is access to the technology needed for a suit something realistic to put together with limited resources there? Without his suit he wouldn't even be a nuisance to those hard shelled blokes.
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* Karai's line at the end implies that 2003 Shredder could still be alive. He does have this annoying habit of surviving his battles. If he is alive, then he is stuck in the mirage world. What's stopping him from trying to kill the mirage turtles again?

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* Karai's line at the end implies that 2003 Shredder could still be alive. He does have this annoying habit of surviving his battles. If he is alive, then he is stuck in the mirage world. What's stopping him from trying to kill the mirage turtles again?again?
** Well he wouldn't have access to the Technodrome's resources anymore. Even if he found the Mirage Utroms, the fact that he's an actual color would tip them off.
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* Karai's line at the end implies that 2003 Shredder could still be alive. He does have this annoying habit of surviving his battles. If he is alive, then he is stuck in the mirage world. What's stopping him from trying to kill the mirage turtles again?
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** It's not paranoia, it's irrational hatred. Honestly if he hadn't been driven mad by the revelation (so much so that starting with Karai but eventually even Hun turn on him) he would have come to the much more logical and (if not for the fact that villains can't win) successful plan of uniting the Multiverse of Shredders most of whom are quite capable of defeating their respective Turtles in a fair fight.
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* Is Ch'rell paranoid or what? Yes he saw turtles from other worlds, but they should be no concern to him. There are like a million other universes out there they could enter, what are the odds that some of them will show up in the 2003 universe to fight Ch'rell? Pretty slim.

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* Is Ch'rell paranoid or what? Yes he saw turtles from other worlds, but they should be no concern to him. There are like a million other universes out there they could enter, what there. What are the odds that some of them the other million turtles will show up in the 2003 universe to fight Ch'rell? Pretty slim.
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* Is Ch'rell paranoid or what? Yes he saw turtles from other worlds, but they should be no concern to him. Let's say Ch'rell succeeds in conquering the 2003 world, what are the odds of the other million turtles accidently entering the 2003 universe? Even if 2012 Donny was smart enough to create a dimensional hopping device, the chance of them showing in the 03 universe is slim.

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* Is Ch'rell paranoid or what? Yes he saw turtles from other worlds, but they should be no concern to him. Let's say Ch'rell succeeds in conquering the 2003 world, There are like a million other universes out there they could enter, what are the odds that some of the other million turtles accidently entering them will show up in the 2003 universe? Even if 2012 Donny was smart enough to create a dimensional hopping device, the chance of them showing in the 03 universe is slim. to fight Ch'rell? Pretty slim.
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*** If disembodying criminals was a common thing among Krang's species, then as far as Krang knows Ch'rell could have been the disembodied brain of any member of any species who crossed Krang's people. Or he could've lost his body in a freak sci-fi accident. Or his species could, y'know, just naturally look like that (as is the case). Krang does remark on the resemblance, but he can't really know what's going on with the information he has. One could assume Shredder and Krang were going to question Ch'rell, but they weren't prepared for him being such a violent maniac. If anything, Ch'rell's resemblance to Krang made them underestimate him, since they probably assumed Ch'rell in his current state would be as useless as Krang is without his android body.

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*** If disembodying criminals was a common thing among Krang's species, then as far as Krang knows Ch'rell could have been the disembodied brain of any member of any species who crossed Krang's people. Or he could've lost his body in a freak sci-fi accident. Or his species could, y'know, just naturally look like that (as is the case). Krang does remark on the resemblance, but he can't really know what's going on with the information he has. One could assume Shredder and Krang were going to question Ch'rell, but they weren't prepared for him being such a violent maniac. If anything, Ch'rell's resemblance to Krang made them underestimate him, since they probably assumed Ch'rell in his current state would be as useless as Krang is without his android body.body.
* Is Ch'rell paranoid or what? Yes he saw turtles from other worlds, but they should be no concern to him. Let's say Ch'rell succeeds in conquering the 2003 world, what are the odds of the other million turtles accidently entering the 2003 universe? Even if 2012 Donny was smart enough to create a dimensional hopping device, the chance of them showing in the 03 universe is slim.
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*** Considering the differences between the turtles and even the humans Shredder and Krang should still have recognized Ch'rell as a member of Krang's species who had been sentenced to the same punishment sometime prior to being exiled to space. It's even odder given the scene. Shredder and Krang figure out fairly quickly that if there are Ninja Turtles there must be a Shredder fighting them, they then look up Krang and find no such being. Upon summoning Shredder they summon something that given the differences in appearance between '87 and 2K3 verses should look similar enough to Krang to make the connection.

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*** Considering the differences between the turtles and even the humans Shredder and Krang should still have recognized Ch'rell as a member of Krang's species who had been sentenced to the same punishment sometime prior to being exiled to space. It's even odder given the scene. Shredder and Krang figure out fairly quickly that if there are Ninja Turtles there must be a Shredder fighting them, they then look up Krang and find no such being. Upon summoning Shredder they summon something that given the differences in appearance between '87 and 2K3 verses should look similar enough to Krang to make the connection.connection.
*** If disembodying criminals was a common thing among Krang's species, then as far as Krang knows Ch'rell could have been the disembodied brain of any member of any species who crossed Krang's people. Or he could've lost his body in a freak sci-fi accident. Or his species could, y'know, just naturally look like that (as is the case). Krang does remark on the resemblance, but he can't really know what's going on with the information he has. One could assume Shredder and Krang were going to question Ch'rell, but they weren't prepared for him being such a violent maniac. If anything, Ch'rell's resemblance to Krang made them underestimate him, since they probably assumed Ch'rell in his current state would be as useless as Krang is without his android body.
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** There are no Utroms in the '87 turtleverse, so Shredder and Krang wouldn't be able to recognize Ch'rell as one. Krang's species don't actually look like him, since Krang is a disembodied brain who's lost his original body.

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** There are no Utroms in the '87 turtleverse, so Shredder and Krang wouldn't be able to recognize Ch'rell as one. Krang's species don't actually look like him, since Krang is a disembodied brain who's lost his original body.body.
*** Considering the differences between the turtles and even the humans Shredder and Krang should still have recognized Ch'rell as a member of Krang's species who had been sentenced to the same punishment sometime prior to being exiled to space. It's even odder given the scene. Shredder and Krang figure out fairly quickly that if there are Ninja Turtles there must be a Shredder fighting them, they then look up Krang and find no such being. Upon summoning Shredder they summon something that given the differences in appearance between '87 and 2K3 verses should look similar enough to Krang to make the connection.
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* How different do the individuals of each universe actually look? I ask because several people, including Splinter who even given the poor lighting and quick look he got should have been able to tell the massive difference in height, clearly mistook the '87 turtles for the 2K3 turtles when they don't actually look enough alike for that. If they look as different to each other as they do to us I don't understand the mistaken identity. On the flip side as stupid as Shredder and Krang are why didn't either of them recognize Ch'rell as an Utrom? He looks enough like Krang that it wouldn't be a leap to assume they were the same species with similar superficial differences as there were between the different Turtle Teams.

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* How different do the individuals of each universe actually look? I ask because several people, including Splinter who even given the poor lighting and quick look he got should have been able to tell the massive difference in height, clearly mistook the '87 turtles for the 2K3 turtles when they don't actually look enough alike for that. If they look as different to each other as they do to us I don't understand the mistaken identity. On the flip side as stupid as Shredder and Krang are why didn't either of them recognize Ch'rell as an Utrom? He looks enough like Krang that it wouldn't be a leap to assume they were the same species with similar superficial differences as there were between the different Turtle Teams.Teams.
** There are no Utroms in the '87 turtleverse, so Shredder and Krang wouldn't be able to recognize Ch'rell as one. Krang's species don't actually look like him, since Krang is a disembodied brain who's lost his original body.
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** Quite possibly not. It's impossible to know but it's clearly a paradox when you consider that the mechanics of Turtle Prime is essentially Time Travel and Ch'rell is effectively attempting to murder his grand parents, great grand parents, great great grandparents. . .however you want to treat 2k3 in relationship to the live action trilogy and '87 cartoons.



** It's probably because '87 Shredder noticed when they first woke him up that Ch'rell was so dangerous, he posed a threat to even his allies. Wonder where he got that idea . . .

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** It's probably because '87 Shredder noticed when they first woke him up that Ch'rell was so dangerous, he posed a threat to even his allies. Wonder where he got that idea . . . .
* How different do the individuals of each universe actually look? I ask because several people, including Splinter who even given the poor lighting and quick look he got should have been able to tell the massive difference in height, clearly mistook the '87 turtles for the 2K3 turtles when they don't actually look enough alike for that. If they look as different to each other as they do to us I don't understand the mistaken identity. On the flip side as stupid as Shredder and Krang are why didn't either of them recognize Ch'rell as an Utrom? He looks enough like Krang that it wouldn't be a leap to assume they were the same species with similar superficial differences as there were between the different Turtle Teams.
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**** Not to mention the exploding throwing stars, and their efficiancy at taking out the original Foot robots.

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**** Not to mention the exploding throwing stars, and their efficiancy at taking out the original Foot robots. If you think about it, the wackiness of the '87 Turtles universe actually gave them something the 2k3's lacked: creativity.
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**** Not to mention the exploding throwing stars, and their efficiancy at taking out the original Foot robots.
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* Krang and 80's Shredder recruited the Utrom Shredder in hopes of destroying the 8 cartoon turtles, so why did they try poisoning him? To elaborate, after rescuing the Utrom Shredder from the ice asteroid, 80's Shredder takes him to the Technodrome's engine room, puts on a gas mask, seals all the door and tells Krang "the word is given", at that point, some gas comes out of the vents and eventually knocks the Utrom Shredder unconsious.

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* Krang and 80's Shredder recruited the Utrom Shredder in hopes of destroying the 8 cartoon turtles, so why did they try poisoning him? To elaborate, after rescuing the Utrom Shredder from the ice asteroid, 80's Shredder takes him to the Technodrome's engine room, puts on a gas mask, seals all the door and tells Krang "the word is given", at that point, some gas comes out of the vents and eventually knocks the Utrom Shredder unconsious.unconsious.
** It's probably because '87 Shredder noticed when they first woke him up that Ch'rell was so dangerous, he posed a threat to even his allies. Wonder where he got that idea . . .
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* Krang and 80's Shredder recruited the Utrom Shredder in hopes of destroying the 8 cartoon turtles, so why did they try poisoning him? To elaborate, after rescuing the Utrom Shredder from the ice asteroid, 80's Shredder takes him to the Technodrome's engine room, puts on a gas mask, seals all the door and tells Krang "the word is given", at that point, some gas comes out of the vents and eventually knocks the Utrom Shredder unconsious.

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