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** Imagine trying to explain to a group of people that due to a lack of space to build (apparently UP was out of the question), you tell them that they will have to live underground. This would not go over well, even if explained logically. Every person would come up with a reason as to why they should get an above-ground dwelling. People can clearly see the sky, but you are telling them they will have to live Fallout-style? Again, this would not go over well.
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* One of the only things I find truly unbelievable about this movie is Quaid and Lori referring to their apartment as if it was some little closet barely big enough for a single bed and a toilet, instead of a fairly spacious and awesome area that looks like it was designed by a well-known architect. I mean, I get that Hollywood is often out of touch with common people's housing, but c'mon.
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* One of the only things I find truly unbelievable about this movie is Quaid and Lori referring to their apartment as if it was some little closet barely big enough for a single bed and a toilet, instead of a fairly spacious and awesome area that looks like it was designed by a well-known architect. I mean, I get that Hollywood is often out of touch with common people's housing, but c'mon.c'mon.
*The biggest headscratcher of all has to be, why do I care that the big bad wants to invade the 'colony' in the first place? Nothing is done to make the colony sympathetic in any way, besides the fact the nominal 'hero' of the piece lives there(and even that doesn't help). After this troper watched a lot of fisticuffs, loud car chases and some other stuff I forget, the movie reminded me I was supposed to be rooting for Quaid because of the planned invasion-I still wasn't able to care whether he invaded or not. The colony is oppressed didnt work since it really didn't seem all the different from Britain except they had nicer teeth and perfect hair in the Federation.
*The biggest headscratcher of all has to be, why do I care that the big bad wants to invade the 'colony' in the first place? Nothing is done to make the colony sympathetic in any way, besides the fact the nominal 'hero' of the piece lives there(and even that doesn't help). After this troper watched a lot of fisticuffs, loud car chases and some other stuff I forget, the movie reminded me I was supposed to be rooting for Quaid because of the planned invasion-I still wasn't able to care whether he invaded or not. The colony is oppressed didnt work since it really didn't seem all the different from Britain except they had nicer teeth and perfect hair in the Federation.
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** Simplify the explanation. They were worried about Hauser's loyalty enough that they made a loyal backup of his mind. Thus they told him there was a killcode when there wasn't, just in case.
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** There may be laws against it, specifically to keep too many people from being put out of jobs. Also depending on the sheer amount of labor, someone might have crunched the numbers and found out it was actually cheaper in the long run to hire a bunch of underpaid Colony workers than develop, build, and maintain the necessary building robots (who would, after all, still need someone to build them first).
** Because Quaid's going through the equivalent of a red-light district, and prostitutes like to do things to make themselves stand out and attract customers.
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* A big deal is made of the overpopulation in the United Federation of Britain. So why do they hire manual laborers who have to commute from the other side of the planet?
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** Because the people from the Colony will work for less, and their employers often feel less bad if they're injured, overworked, or denied proper compensation than if they were locals, and because the British have been taught from childhood that they're "too good" for those sorts of jobs. The same reason most people hire illegal immigrants even with a high unemployment rate of natives.
* One of the only things I find truly unbelievable about this movie is Quaid and Lori referring to their apartment as if it was some little closet barely big enough for a single bed and a toilet, instead of a fairly spacious and awesome area that looks like it was designed by a well-known architect. I mean, I get that Hollywood is often out of touch with common people's housing, but c'mon.
** Because the people from the Colony will work for less, and their employers often feel less bad if they're injured, overworked, or denied proper compensation than if they were locals, and because the British have been taught from childhood that they're "too good" for those sorts of jobs. The same reason most people hire illegal immigrants even with a high unemployment rate of natives.
* One of the only things I find truly unbelievable about this movie is Quaid and Lori referring to their apartment as if it was some little closet barely big enough for a single bed and a toilet, instead of a fairly spacious and awesome area that looks like it was designed by a well-known architect. I mean, I get that Hollywood is often out of touch with common people's housing, but c'mon.
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** It seems people of the future are desirous of exotic things. Presumably the extra-breast was done via cosmetic surgery.
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* A big deal is made of the overpopulation in the United Federation of Britain. So why do they hire manual laborers who have to commute from the other side of the planet?
* A big deal is made of the overpopulation in the United Federation of Britain. So why do they hire manual laborers who have to commute from the other side of the planet?
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* Unlike the original, this movie isn't set on Mars. So for what logical reason is there a three-breasted woman, ''except'' as an blatant reminder that yes, this is supposed to be ''Total Recall''?
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* Unlike the original, this movie isn't set on Mars. So for what logical reason is there a three-breasted woman, ''except'' as an blatant reminder that yes, this is supposed to be ''Total Recall''?Recall''?
** It seems people of the future are desirous of exotic things. Presumably the extra-breast was done via cosmetic surgery.
** It seems people of the future are desirous of exotic things. Presumably the extra-breast was done via cosmetic surgery.
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* The whole concept of the Fall is wonky. Leaving aside the impossible physics, just boring such a tunnel would have been the most expensive undertaking ever made by mankind by several orders of magnitude, and the energy needed for the journey can't come cheaply either. It's nice to go from one side of the world to the other in 15 minutes, but there is no situation where this particular transit method would be economically feasible, let alone profitable. Just making a round-the-world straight-line train track would be much, much cheaper; sure, it'd take a lot longer to do the trip, but you wouldn't bankrupt the human race to achieve it.
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* Unlike the original, this movie isn't set on Mars. So for what logical reason is there a three-breasted woman, ''except'' as an blatant reminder that yes, this is supposed to be ''Total Recall''?
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****Was he the Number Two man? He revamped the Resistance, but he hadn't ever met Matthias. A lot of other people knew where Matthias was including Melina, but Hauser specifically states he ''never'' met Matthias, so that speaks more to him being Head Tactician sending plans up the ranks rather than being the Number Two guy. Number Two has usually met Number One vs. all the other underlings knowing where he is, but Quaid/Hauser hadn't.
*** Added to the fact that the colony is an island. The only way to get there is through the Fall. To build a new elevator, you need cooperation on both sides, so if the Colony guards the entrance to the Fall well, then they can prevent occupation. Since no one can actually leave island and they only travel around the Channel area in the UFB, there probably aren't any large boats to get to the colony. You could send a robot army, but can you teach them to adapt to seafaring conditions?
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*** True. And the original plan of "kill everyone on an entire continent so all the brits can have more living space" seems less logical than "Give everyone condoms and fine them heavily for having children." But then, this movie is focused much more on action and philosophy than world-building.
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*** True. And the original plan of "kill everyone on an entire continent so all the brits Brits can have more living space" seems less logical than "Give everyone condoms and fine them heavily for having children." But then, this movie is focused much more on action and philosophy than world-building.
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* The whole concept of the Fall is wonky. Leaving aside the impossible physics, just boring such a tunnel would have been the most expensive undertaking ever made by mankind by several orders of magnitude, and the energy needed for the journey can't come cheaply either. It's nice to go from one side of the world to the other in 15 minutes, but there is no situation where this particular transit method would be economically feasible, let alone profitable. Just making a round-the-world straight-line train track would be much, much cheaper; sure, it'd take a lot longer to do the trip, but you wouldn't bankrupt the human race to achieve it.
* The whole concept of the Fall is wonky. Leaving aside the impossible physics, just boring such a tunnel would have been the most expensive undertaking ever made by mankind by several orders of magnitude, and the energy needed for the journey can't come cheaply either. It's nice to go from one side of the world to the other in 15 minutes, but there is no situation where this particular transit method would be economically feasible, let alone profitable. Just making a round-the-world straight-line train track would be much, much cheaper; sure, it'd take a lot longer to do the trip, but you wouldn't bankrupt the human race to achieve it.
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** It's possible that there are non-combat versions of the synths used for mining and other operations in hazardous areas.
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* From the London landmarks we see, Westminster is firmly within the habitable portion of Britain, whereas the area around the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Tower BT Tower]] is an unlivable hellhole of poisonous gas. The distance between the two is all of about two miles, so what exactly is keeping the clean zone gas-free?gas-free?
** HollywoodGeography?
** HollywoodGeography?
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*** The lower-class people probably can't afford to travel to the other area for reasons other than work and for commuting why would they take hours on end to travel instead of a reasonably short trip through the core? Besides, what reason would anyone have for going to the other area outside of work? The Colony is too much of a dump for people in Britain to go to and people in the Colony are too poor to move or vacation.
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** WeWillUseManualLaborInTheFuture. And goodness knows, with so many people, there's no shortage of manual labor.
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** WeWillUseManualLaborInTheFuture. And goodness knows, with so many people, there's no shortage of manual labor.labor.
* From the London landmarks we see, Westminster is firmly within the habitable portion of Britain, whereas the area around the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Tower BT Tower]] is an unlivable hellhole of poisonous gas. The distance between the two is all of about two miles, so what exactly is keeping the clean zone gas-free?
* From the London landmarks we see, Westminster is firmly within the habitable portion of Britain, whereas the area around the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Tower BT Tower]] is an unlivable hellhole of poisonous gas. The distance between the two is all of about two miles, so what exactly is keeping the clean zone gas-free?
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** Maybe they ran out of glass too? But considering Britain's many sky scrapers, that doesn't seem to be the case.
*How is anyone, especially the people in Britain, able to achieve such a comfortable existence in a world largely uninhabitable? China owns most of the world's rare earth minerals, and Africa has the largest supply of gold and diamonds. Unless there are lots of people flying far outside the colony to mines, it doesn't make sense that Britain doesn't seem to be short of any minerals or materials at all.
*How is anyone, especially the people in Britain, able to achieve such a comfortable existence in a world largely uninhabitable? China owns most of the world's rare earth minerals, and Africa has the largest supply of gold and diamonds. Unless there are lots of people flying far outside the colony to mines, it doesn't make sense that Britain doesn't seem to be short of any minerals or materials at all.
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* The Synth assembly line is somewhat superfluously manned by humans. Are they really needed? One or two robot arms could do the same job.
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** Maybe the gas is actually extremely flammable, and the slightest spark will set the atmosphere on fire, rendering the rest of the world uninhabitable?
*Why do the chemicals that make most of the world uninhabitable seem to just stay in one place, rather than being blown around, making certain sections more or less uninhabitable in turn? If there were a chemical attack, it seems more realistic for the survivors to become nomads rather than form large, concentrated, permanent settlements.
* The Synth assembly line is somewhat superfluously manned by humans. Are they really needed? One or two robot arms could do the samejob.job.
**WeWillUseManualLaborInTheFuture. And goodness knows, with so many people, there's no shortage of manual labor.
*Why do the chemicals that make most of the world uninhabitable seem to just stay in one place, rather than being blown around, making certain sections more or less uninhabitable in turn? If there were a chemical attack, it seems more realistic for the survivors to become nomads rather than form large, concentrated, permanent settlements.
* The Synth assembly line is somewhat superfluously manned by humans. Are they really needed? One or two robot arms could do the same
**WeWillUseManualLaborInTheFuture. And goodness knows, with so many people, there's no shortage of manual labor.
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*** Space IS the place to go. Check it: What is it that the people in the movie value? Living space. They seem to have abundant energy and food. In ''2081: A Hopeful View of the Human Future'', Gerard K. O'Neill points out that space colonies could be pretty much paradise - constant sunlight, gravity around the edges, no bugs, no inclement weather. And what do you need to build space colonies? Energy, metal, and soil, in a word. Energy to get into space, whether it be chemical energy of rockets, electrical energy for space elevators, or nuclear energy for more exotic launches. Metal to make the superstructure of the colony. And soil to make greenhouses to feed the colony. The world of Total Recall doesn't appear to be missing any of that (oddly enough, considering how much of the world is uninhabitable) and as for a launch site, I'm sure a contaminated section or part of the Australian outback would work. After that, the only limit to growth is the amount of energy, metal, and soil that can be put towards space colonies. So, maybe there is some reason they can't build colonies in space (maybe Australia's full, and the chemicals hanging around most of the Earth are inflammable?) but it seems awful strange that a society running out of space wouldn't consider moving some of its people to outer space.
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* Why don't people fly around the world up and down to the Colony? It takes easily a day in modern jet planes, but why not consider to keep it as a lower-class means of transport?
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* The Synth assembly line is somewhat superfluously manned by humans. Are they really needed? One or two robot arms could do the same job.
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** Because mass-exodi into space are hard to pull off and pointless if you don't have a viable place to go?
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** Because mass-exodi into space are hard to pull off and pointless if you don't have a viable place to go?go?
* So, if they were running out of living space, why did no-one consider perhaps building underground? That would be a far less daunting feat of engineering than building a tunnel that runs through the ''entire'' damn planet?!
** Or even more obvious, if no-one can survive in the chemically affected areas because the air is unbreathable, build domed cities?
* So, if they were running out of living space, why did no-one consider perhaps building underground? That would be a far less daunting feat of engineering than building a tunnel that runs through the ''entire'' damn planet?!
** Or even more obvious, if no-one can survive in the chemically affected areas because the air is unbreathable, build domed cities?
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**** Rekallception? (come on someone had to say it)
** The part of Australia we see in the movie is mostly on the western interior which is barely developed today so its possible that the east coast of Australia is much nicer and that the rest of the colony is only slummy because people had to move there very hastily when the rest of the planets livable space went kaput.
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** Because mass-exodi into space are hard to pull off and pointless if you don't have a viable place to go?
* Why isn't there a mass exodus to
** Because mass-exodi into space are hard to pull off and pointless if you don't have a viable place to go?
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*** So...Hauser was a government agent who came up with an idea of going deep-cover into the Resistance. His mind is backed up and he's Rekalled into being a traitor. He runs off, joins the resistance, becomes their number two man. Eventually, he's captured (and not killed, remarkably enough) and then Rekalled again into an everyman with a trojan horse in his head. Eventually, he breaks out of his prison and makes his way back to the Resistance... So he was a Rekalled Rekall about to be Rekalled at the beginning of the film... right?
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* Why did the chemical weapons in the beginning blurb work the way they did? There are a dozen sub-questions to this, such as who was fighting, what was the war about, what are those little pinpricks of light around the world, how many people died, and why just some areas were hit except for others, but specifically, why is it that just two specific places in the world are 100% habitable, and wind currents aren't leading to shifting situations where some are habitable and some aren't. So really, the main question here is this-
In a world where deadly chemicals swirl around the Earth, why are the United Kingdom, Britany, and Australia the only places people can live without masks, and why do they stay that way?
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this- In a world where deadly chemicals swirl around the Earth, why are the United Kingdom, Britany, and Australia the only places people can live without masks, and why do they stay that way?
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*** True. And the original plan of "kill everyone on an entire continent so all the brits can have more living space" seems less logical than "Give everyone condoms and fine them heavily for having children." But then, this movie is focused much more on action and philosophy than world-building.
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** Looking at the sheer number of languages present, its clear a good chunk of the world relocated to Australia, so either accent was drowned out, or you just don't meet any native Australians in the movie.
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** Looking at the sheer number of languages present, its clear a good chunk of the world relocated to Australia, so either accent was drowned out, or you just don't meet any native Australians in the movie.movie.
** I don't think that question counts as a headscratcher.
*Why did the chemical weapons in the beginning blurb work the way they did? There are a dozen sub-questions to this, such as who was fighting, what was the war about, what are those little pinpricks of light around the world, how many people died, and why just some areas were hit except for others, but specifically, why is it that just two specific places in the world are 100% habitable, and wind currents aren't leading to shifting situations where some are habitable and some aren't. So really, the main question here is this:
In a world where deadly chemicals swirl around the Earth, why are the United Kingdom, Britany, and Australia the only places people can live without masks, and why do they stay that way?
*Today, the UK and Australia are both relatively prosperous first-world nations. Why, in this world, as UK the prosperous gleaming cityskape of the future, and Australia the Third-World refugee camp?
*Why aren't the rest of the islands of the world heavily populated?
*Why isn't there a mass exodus to space?
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*Why did the chemical weapons in the beginning blurb work the way they did? There are a dozen sub-questions to this, such as who was fighting, what was the war about, what are those little pinpricks of light around the world, how many people died, and why just some areas were hit except for others, but specifically, why is it that just two specific places in the world are 100% habitable, and wind currents aren't leading to shifting situations where some are habitable and some aren't. So really, the main question here is this:
In a world where deadly chemicals swirl around the Earth, why are the United Kingdom, Britany, and Australia the only places people can live without masks, and why do they stay that way?
*Today, the UK and Australia are both relatively prosperous first-world nations. Why, in this world, as UK the prosperous gleaming cityskape of the future, and Australia the Third-World refugee camp?
*Why aren't the rest of the islands of the world heavily populated?
*Why isn't there a mass exodus to space?
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**Also the leader who planned and wanted the invasion is dead(using false flag operations.) Britian might be a little busy trying to get new leadership in place and not really in favor of war and bloodshed.
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* Is anyone else disappointed that no one in the colony had an Australian accent? They are in the middle of Australia for crying out loud.
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* Is anyone else disappointed that no one in the colony had an Australian accent? They are in the middle of Australia for crying out loud.loud.
** Looking at the sheer number of languages present, its clear a good chunk of the world relocated to Australia, so either accent was drowned out, or you just don't meet any native Australians in the movie.
** Looking at the sheer number of languages present, its clear a good chunk of the world relocated to Australia, so either accent was drowned out, or you just don't meet any native Australians in the movie.
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** Though a good chunk of them were destroyed. Probably not all of them were on the fall but enough to make an invasion very risky now that the colony is currently antsy about their neighbors on the other side of the planet.
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** Though a good chunk of them were destroyed. Probably not all of them were on the fall but enough to make an invasion very risky now that the colony is currently antsy about their neighbors on the other side of the planet.planet.
* Is anyone else disappointed that no one in the colony had an Australian accent? They are in the middle of Australia for crying out loud.
* Is anyone else disappointed that no one in the colony had an Australian accent? They are in the middle of Australia for crying out loud.
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*** The leader may not be a psychic but they do have memory scanning technology. It's possible they threw him though one of those little reader chairs off screen and if he hadn't belived he had turned traitor he would have been blown.
* The only thing bad about the world outside Britain and the Colony is that if you breathe it you die. If the Fall is destroyed, just send a robot army around the world to take over. The robots won'tcare.care.
** Though a good chunk of them were destroyed. Probably not all of them were on the fall but enough to make an invasion very risky now that the colony is currently antsy about their neighbors on the other side of the planet.
* The only thing bad about the world outside Britain and the Colony is that if you breathe it you die. If the Fall is destroyed, just send a robot army around the world to take over. The robots won't
** Though a good chunk of them were destroyed. Probably not all of them were on the fall but enough to make an invasion very risky now that the colony is currently antsy about their neighbors on the other side of the planet.
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*** Except, if that was the case, why doesn't original Hauser know that the Synth killcode was just a ruse? Also, Cohaagen seems to imply the whole hidden trojan horse tracking program was Hauser's idea.
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*The only thing bad about the world outside Britain and the Colony is that if you breathe it you die. If the Fall is destroyed, just send a robot army around the world to take over. The robots won't care.
*The only thing bad about the world outside Britain and the Colony is that if you breathe it you die. If the Fall is destroyed, just send a robot army around the world to take over. The robots won't care.
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** Because Hauser wasn't faking defection - they made a "backup" before sending him in just in case, and he did in fact decide to side with the Resistance. He starts as a double agent, and then just turns traitor.
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** Because Hauser wasn't faking defection - they made a "backup" before sending him in just in case, and he did in fact decide to side with the Resistance. He starts as a double agent, and then just turns traitor.traitor.
*** Except, if that was the case, why doesn't original Hauser know that the Synth killcode was just a ruse? Also, Cohaagen seems to imply the whole hidden trojan horse tracking program was Hauser's idea.
*** Except, if that was the case, why doesn't original Hauser know that the Synth killcode was just a ruse? Also, Cohaagen seems to imply the whole hidden trojan horse tracking program was Hauser's idea.
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** Because Hauser wasn't faking defection - they made a "backup" before sending him in just in case, and he did in fact decide to side with the Resistance. He starts as a double agent, and then just turns traitor.
** Because Hauser wasn't faking defection - they made a "backup" before sending him in just in case, and he did in fact decide to side with the Resistance. He starts as a double agent, and then just turns traitor.
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