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* Why does Tom put up with his Jackass owners?
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* Why does Tom put up with his Jackass jackass owners?
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* Why does Tom put up with his Jackass owners?
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** It is a ShoutOut to Golden Age Hollywood actor Jimmy Durante.
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* In "Surf-bored Cat" what is that squid or starfish or whatever it is doing to Tom [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCCPak5ExQ when it extends one tentacle over his nose, lifts the hat like greeting somebody and makes that "hatcha-tcha-tcha-tcha" sound?]][[note]]starts at 0:25[[/note]] Tom gets visibly nauseated or suffocating from it.
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** I think by the early 50's, while segregation was obviously still a ways off from being abolished everywhere in the US, many people had realised that stereotypical black characters were distasteful and Hanna-Barbera decided it was best to retire the character. Even though the only questionable thing about her was that she was a "Mammy", otherwise there really wasn't anything offensive about her and, as mentioned above, she was quite a progressive character for the time.
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* Where is Tyke's mother? Is it possible that she's owned by a separate family and her and Spike's respective owners had them breed together, with Spike's owners having Tyke when he was old enough to leave his mother?
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* In "Blue Cat Blues" final scene, woulnd't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt along with Tom? Since he's not tall enough to be hitten by the train's axles.
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* In "Blue Cat Blues" final scene, woulnd't wouldn't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt along with Tom? Since he's not tall enough to be hitten hit by the train's axles.
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*** You're expecting realism from a slapstick cartoon with biped talking animals?
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** At no point do we see Tom actually laying the eggs (that would be weird even for cartoon standards). Maybe the bird had a wife or girlfriend and the eggs were their children. The bird was dumb, maybe he mistook Tom for his girlfriend, or the mother of the eggs is dead or missing or had left them, so he used Tom as a replacement. It's also possible that those eggs were "adopted" by Tom and the bird.
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**But then why does the bird in the book illustration look like Quacker in the first place? Cygnets (baby swans) have grey feathers, not yellow.
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conclusion about Mammy?
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** She also made decisions for the household that go beyond any duties for "the maid". For example, purchasing "Mechano", which in its day (if such a robot could exist back then) would have been quite expensive, more evidence for the "she owns the house" camp. So if we take all that into account, that she is a successful, single, middle-class, middle-aged, black woman in the New York suburbs with an active social life ''in the 1940s'', I'd say that's more than FairForItsDay!
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* Another question on Mammy. Why did she cease to appear in the shorts after 1952? Were people starting to vocally take issue with how stereotypical she was, or was it merely decided that new characters needed to be introduced?
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* In the episode "Flirty birdy" at the end of the episode Tom is in his bird disguise and is sitting on a nest with eggs, how can they be his? The fact Tom is a male and isn't a bird makes the ending a mystery.
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* In light of the above point, does Mammy Two-Shoes own the house herself in any of the shorts? I remember one episode where she was trying to sleep, the plot being Tom had to make sure her sleep wasn't disturbed or he'd be thrown out of the house. She's then shown wearing pyjamas and heading to the master bedroom to sleep: an act that would be unlikely tolerated by the homeowners unless she was the homeowner.
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** While we're on the subject, when were the episodes with her overdubbed shown? I only remember ever seeing the original versions.
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*** It is important here to separate the mature vs immature side of the conversation. Of course there are real people that act like the "stereotype" that is how any stereotype came to be exaggerated upon. But the real issue here is that for a while this was the ONLY representation some of these people had. Regardless of how many people are clearly not the stereotype. The mature vs immature side comes between the "I don't like this type of character and i'd like to see more variety but respect it existed" versus the "I don't like this type of character it shouldn't exist" crowds. Most of the world are more than likely the former, but the vocal minority of the latter could be easier to spot on the internet.
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** Apparently the name was taken off reused Disney model sheets used for ones of the Tom & Jerry cartoons. I guess the name just stuck.
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*** That would be the uncensored version of Saturday Evening Puss.
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*** Her original voice may be offensive to some, but it's not as though they aren't people in reality who speak as she does.
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* In "Blue Cat Blues" final scene, woulnd't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt with Tom? Since he's not tall enough to be hitten by the train's axles.
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* In "Blue Cat Blues" final scene, woulnd't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt along with Tom? Since he's not tall enough to be hitten by the train's axles.
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* In "Blue Cat Blues" final scene, woulnd't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt with Tom since he's not tall enough to be hitten by the train's axles?
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* In "Blue Cat Blues" final scene, woulnd't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt with Tom since Tom? Since he's not tall enough to be hitten by the train's axles?axles.
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* In "Blue Cat Blues"'s final scene, woulnd't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt with Tom since he's not tall enough to be hitten by the train's axles?
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* In "Blue Cat Blues"'s Blues" final scene, woulnd't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt with Tom since he's not tall enough to be hitten by the train's axles?
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* In "Blue Cat Blues"'s final scene, woulnd't Jerry have actually survived to his suicide attempt with Tom since he's not tall enough to be hitten by the train's axles?
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** The shorts dont have any canon, each of them are self contained, with only certain aspects transfering from one to another. Thats why Nibbler is an orphan in some shorts, or Jerrys nephew in others.
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** The shorts dont have any canon, each of them are self contained, with only certain aspects transfering from one to another. Thats why Nibbler is an orphan in some shorts, or Jerrys nephew in others.others.
** More than likely faulty time stream hypothothis stands true even as far back here. What you see was true of their timeline at the moment, but not guaranteed to carry over to the next episode. It's practically the Bible for anything Hanna and Barbera ever touched.
** More than likely faulty time stream hypothothis stands true even as far back here. What you see was true of their timeline at the moment, but not guaranteed to carry over to the next episode. It's practically the Bible for anything Hanna and Barbera ever touched.
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** He actually did point out the ending to the story, but Quacker, [[TooDumbToLive being Quacker]], refuses to listen and continues moping.
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** He actually did point out the ending to the story, story via the book they were reading, but Quacker, [[TooDumbToLive being Quacker]], refuses to listen and continues moping.
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** He actually did point out the ending to the story, but Quacker, [[TooDumbToLive being Quacker]], refuses to listen and continues moping.
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** The shorts dont have any canon, each of them are self contained, with only certain aspects transfering from one to another. Thats why Nibbler is an orphan in some shorts, or Jerrys nephew in others.
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*** She was in fact portrayed as a house maid in some early shorts. Her original voice over was also dubbed over in many modern airings due to her broken speech pattern which is indeed considered offensive to many these days. Admitedly those exposed to only the dubbed versions of the later shorts may be oblivious to her being anything more than a comically obsese SassyBlackWoman which is standard in even modern cartoons.
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*** She was in fact portrayed as a house maid in some early shorts. Her original voice over was also dubbed over in many modern airings due to her broken speech pattern which is indeed considered offensive to many these days. Admitedly Admittedly those exposed to only the dubbed versions of the later shorts may be oblivious to her being anything more than a comically obsese obese SassyBlackWoman which is standard in even modern cartoons.
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* In the Ugly Duckling short, why didnt Jerry point out to Quackers that the "duckling" in the story was an infant swan, not a duck? It would have saved both of them a lot of grief.
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* In the Ugly Duckling short, why didnt didn't Jerry point out to Quackers that the "duckling" in the story was an infant swan, not a duck? It would have saved both of them a lot of grief.
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* In the Ugly Duckling short, why didnt Jerry point out to Quackers that the "duckling" in the story was an infant swan, not a duck? It would have saved both of them a lot of grief.
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* How come at times, Tom is always punished when he doesn't even deserve it...there's too much Tom abuse!
** Related to the Tom abuse...Jerry is a mouse. How the hell can he pick up clothing irons and pitchforks and all other manner of objects with which to (often seriously) injure Tom? RuleOfFunny? (even if it's not really that funny)
*** What would kids rather see; A tiny mouse using various household objects to hurt a (seemingly invincible) larger cat, or a cat grabbing a mouse and... eating it?
** True, but a lot of episodes end with Tom getting hurt by his owners for something ''Jerry'' did...that's [[DudeNotFunny cruelty to animals.]]
** In fairness, there were also times Jerry lost even when [[TheBadGuyWins Tom was still the instigator]].
*** In the words of MST3K, "It's really just a show! You should really just relax!" The chances of a mouse fucking up a cat's life in the real world are literally below zero.
** Related to the Tom abuse...Jerry is a mouse. How the hell can he pick up clothing irons and pitchforks and all other manner of objects with which to (often seriously) injure Tom? RuleOfFunny? (even if it's not really that funny)
*** What would kids rather see; A tiny mouse using various household objects to hurt a (seemingly invincible) larger cat, or a cat grabbing a mouse and... eating it?
** True, but a lot of episodes end with Tom getting hurt by his owners for something ''Jerry'' did...that's [[DudeNotFunny cruelty to animals.]]
** In fairness, there were also times Jerry lost even when [[TheBadGuyWins Tom was still the instigator]].
*** In the words of MST3K, "It's really just a show! You should really just relax!" The chances of a mouse fucking up a cat's life in the real world are literally below zero.
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** Related to the Tom abuse...Jerry is a mouse. How the hell can he pick up clothing irons and pitchforks and all other manner of objects with which to (often seriously) injure Tom? RuleOfFunny? (even if it's not really that funny)
*** What would kids rather see; A tiny mouse using various household objects to hurt a (seemingly invincible) larger cat, or a cat grabbing a mouse and... eating it?
** True, but a lot of episodes end with Tom getting hurt by his owners for something ''Jerry'' did...that's [[DudeNotFunny cruelty to animals.]]
** In fairness, there were also times Jerry lost even when [[TheBadGuyWins Tom was still the instigator]].
*** In the words of MST3K, "It's really just a show! You should really just relax!" The chances of a mouse fucking up a cat's life in the real world are literally below zero.
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*** She was in fact portrayed as a house maid in some early shorts. Her original voice over was also dubbed over in many modern airings due to her broken speech pattern which is indeed considered offensive to many these days. Admitedly those exposed to only the dubbed versions of the later shorts may be oblivious to her being anything more than a comically obsese SassyBlackWoman which is standard in even modern cartoons.
** In fairness, there were also times Jerry lost even when [[TheBadGuyWins Tom was still the instigator]].
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