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* Seriously, where on earth was SHIELD? Darcy mentions trying to contact them, but not being able to. But Sevig is a former SHIELD researcher, who crazy or not did work with a highly dangerous technology. And they know Jane Foster is important to Thor, and they would at least send someone to talk to Darcy and Ian after Thor shows up and takes off with her. Not to mention that random gravity anomolies and stuff dissaparing into thin air is the sort of thing they'd at least send an agent to investigate.
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* Seriously, where on earth was SHIELD? Darcy mentions trying to contact them, but not being able to. But Sevig is a former SHIELD researcher, who crazy or not did work with a highly dangerous technology. And they know Jane Foster is important to Thor, and they would at least send someone to talk to Darcy and Ian after Thor shows up and takes off with her. Not to mention that random gravity anomolies anomalies and stuff dissaparing disappearing into thin air is the sort of thing they'd at least send an agent to investigate.investigate.
** [[http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/marvels-agents-of-shield/28022/agents-of-shield-to-cross-over-with-thor-the-dark-world Actually]], [[AgentsOfShield it's more like an entire team]]. November 19th.
** [[http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/marvels-agents-of-shield/28022/agents-of-shield-to-cross-over-with-thor-the-dark-world Actually]], [[AgentsOfShield it's more like an entire team]]. November 19th.
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*** Not every Asgardian has shown up yet. Balder, Amora, Skunge, etc. And not every Asgardian has the same relationship as in Norse Mythology either. Or even the comics, where Freya is married to Odin instead of Frigga, for example.
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**** Remember back in the beginning of the first film? Thor thought all Jotuns were horrible monsters that should be killed because of his fathers tales of the war, even though that wasn't actually the case? Odin probably heard similer stories about the Dark Elves from Bor and thus felt it was a great thing that they were wiped out.
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* Why? I mean, on the flight out, he seems utterly unconcerned whether she lives or dies, though has some vague appreciation for her spunk. He also warns Thor of the consequences of loving her, which suggests he put some thought into it, but more into worry for Thor. Yet he saves her twice, on reflex, at one point, nearly at the cost of his own life. Why? Is this the start of a HeelFaceTurn, more of Loki's moral yo-yoing between AntiHero and AntiVillain, or an elaborate gambit to fool Thor and make his HeroicSacrifice all the more believable?
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* Why? I mean, on the flight out, he seems utterly unconcerned whether she lives or dies, though has some vague appreciation for her spunk. He also warns Thor of the consequences of loving her, which suggests he put some thought into it, but more into worry for Thor. Yet he saves her twice, on reflex, at one point, nearly at the cost of his own life. Why? Is this the start of a HeelFaceTurn, more of Loki's moral yo-yoing between AntiHero and AntiVillain, or an elaborate gambit to fool Thor and make his HeroicSacrifice all the more believable?
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* Why? I mean, on the flight out, he seems utterly unconcerned whether she lives or dies, though has some vague appreciation for her spunk. He also warns Thor of the consequences of loving her, which suggests he put some thought into it, but more into worry for Thor. Yet he saves her twice, on reflex, at one point, nearly at the cost of his own life. Why? Is this the start of a HeelFaceTurn, more of Loki's moral yo-yoing between AntiHero and AntiVillain, or an elaborate gambit to fool Thor and make his HeroicSacrifice all the more believable?
** On the flight out, he was just snarking. If Jane had died, the Aether would have gone haywire (you'll also note Thor wasn't particularly concerned about her collapsing). As for the rest...who knows? It's impossible to tell with him. Maybe he did it to trick Thor into thinking he was getting better, but it was so fast that seems implausible. Or maybe he really did like her, or know that her death would break Thor. He's noticeably more genuinely friendly with his brother in this movie (if it was all an act, he could have just had Thor confined to Asgard at the end, or at the very least not offered him the throne).
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* Why? I mean, on the flight out, he seems utterly unconcerned whether she lives or dies, though has some vague appreciation for her spunk. He also warns Thor of the consequences of loving her, which suggests he put some thought into it, but more into worry for Thor. Yet he saves her twice, on reflex, at one point, nearly at the cost of his own life. Why? Is this the start of a HeelFaceTurn, more of Loki's moral yo-yoing between AntiHero and AntiVillain, or an elaborate gambit to fool Thor and make his HeroicSacrifice all the more believable?
** On the flight out, he was just snarking. If Jane had died, the Aether would have gone haywire (you'll also note Thor wasn't particularly concerned about her collapsing). As for the rest...who knows? It's impossible to tell with him. Maybe he did it to trick Thor into thinking he was getting better, but it was so fast that seems implausible. Or maybe he really did like her, or know that her death would break Thor. He's noticeably more genuinely friendly with his brother in this movie (if it was all an act, he could have just had Thor confined to Asgard at the end, or at the very least not offered him the throne).
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*** I am guessing Odin's smile was more displaying pride for his old man than for the death of the Dark Elves, specially as King Bor's victory over the Dark Elves saved all of existance.
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** Hell in the comics Loki once got his HEAD cut clean off by Balder, and just nonchalantly put it back on his head. Remember that Loki is not only a Jotun(thus would have a different biology than Asgardians or Humans) but he is also a super-powerful sorcerer. He probably knows some magical spells that would heal him back to life that Thor, being a warrior, doesn't know about. Heck, if you look back at the original Thor movie, you notice that the Jotun's when they get cut up, ''don't bleed'' so its possible they don't even have a heart in the first place, or have an entirely different set of organs than humans or Asgardians do.
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** Hell in the comics Loki once got his HEAD cut clean off by Balder, and just nonchalantly put it back on his head. Remember that Loki is not only a Jotun(thus would have a different biology than Asgardians or Humans) but he is also a super-powerful sorcerer. He probably knows some magical spells that would heal him back to life that Thor, being a warrior, doesn't know about. Heck, if you look back at the original Thor movie, you notice that the Jotun's when they get cut up, ''don't bleed'' so its possible they don't even have a heart in the first place, or have an entirely different set of organs than humans or Asgardians do.
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** We don't really know much about Jotun biology, but since they can turn parts of their body to ice and have limited shapeshifting powers, it is not unreasonable that they may have some healing abilities. Just like many of the fans, Thor himself often forgets that while Loki may look like one of them, he is not one of them.
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**More than likely, everything other than [[spoiler: him actually stabbing Kurse]] was an illusion. He probably [[spoiler: dodged the stabbing entirely and simply made it look as if he'd been stabbed, and then illusioned that he had died. No need to be healed if he was never hurt.]]
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*** That may have been Odin's reasoning but I still found the smile unsettling. After all the Jotuns and Dark Elves were ultimately trying to do the same thing which was conquer the nine realms and xenoform them to their tastes. The Dark Elves just went about it in a different way.
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** For that matter, does Odin even have other sons? In Thor Loki got to the throne as soon as Odin went into Odinsleep, and here he acted (it was Loki, yes, but still) as if there was no other heir to the throne after Thor rejected it.
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* So uh...what happened to him? Was the character cut out of the movie, or something?
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