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** Considering how flexible it is in what you can swear the Ideal to, it can probably be sworn to another person ''or'' their last requests.
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** Considering how flexible it is in In Rhythm of War, Szeth discusses this with Navani. He doesn't know what you can swear the Ideal to, it can probably be sworn to another person ''or'' their last requests.will happen as he hadn't thought that far ahead when he made his oath.
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*** This wouldn't be the first time that Sanderson had a villain who perfectly planned and manipulated an entire society over centuries or millennia to play into his hands.
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Wit asks Kaladin to pass that message on to his apprentice, Kaladin realizes that he's talking about Sigzil, but he's never shown doing it. He didn't even confirm that he's talking about Sigzil. Did it just happen offscreen, or did he forget?
* Considering the whirlwind of stuff that happened to Kaladin afterward, it is almost certain that he forgot.
* Never mind. Sigzil says that Wit made him a full Worldsinger in ''Oathbringer'', so Kaladin told him offscreen.
* Considering the whirlwind of stuff that happened to Kaladin afterward, it is almost certain that he forgot.
* Never mind. Sigzil says that Wit made him a full Worldsinger in ''Oathbringer'', so Kaladin told him offscreen.
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* Wit asks Kaladin to pass that message on to his apprentice, Kaladin realizes that he's talking about Sigzil, but he's never shown doing it. He didn't even confirm that he's talking about Sigzil. Did it just happen offscreen, or did he forget?
* ** Considering the whirlwind of stuff that happened to Kaladin afterward, it is almost certain that he forgot.
* ** Never mind. Sigzil says that Wit made him a full Worldsinger in ''Oathbringer'', so Kaladin told him offscreen.
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So Szeth swore an oath to follow Dalinar, because the law is inflexible and he doesn't trust himself to tell the difference between right and wrong. But if Szeth outlives Dalinar, does he lose his Ideal? Can he follow someone else, or will he just obey his last requests?
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* So Szeth swore an oath to follow Dalinar, because the law is inflexible and he doesn't trust himself to tell the difference between right and wrong. But if Szeth outlives Dalinar, does he lose his Ideal? Can he follow someone else, or will he just obey his last requests?
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** Considering how flexible it is in what you can swear the Ideal to, it can probably be sworn to another person ''or'' their last requests.
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*** Whichever piece is larger will regenerate the full set of armor over time when exposed to stomlight.
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** Explained in a scene in ''The Way of Kings'': if provided with stormlight, Shardplate repairs itself (even, apparently, if in pieces, although while not stated there is presumably something keeping one doing it separately to two pieces and getting two Shardplates).
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[[folder: Quibbles about Szeth's Third Ideal (spoilers for Oathbringer)]]
So Szeth swore an oath to follow Dalinar, because the law is inflexible and he doesn't trust himself to tell the difference between right and wrong. But if Szeth outlives Dalinar, does he lose his Ideal? Can he follow someone else, or will he just obey his last requests?
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So Szeth swore an oath to follow Dalinar, because the law is inflexible and he doesn't trust himself to tell the difference between right and wrong. But if Szeth outlives Dalinar, does he lose his Ideal? Can he follow someone else, or will he just obey his last requests?
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* How is Shardplate repaired? No one on Roshar has the knowledge to make new Shardplate, pieces explode when damaged enough, and new parts can't be made because it's solid Investiture. Yet we see shardplate damaged like this all the time, and then seemingly repaired like normal. How is that possible?
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* Never mind. Sigzil says that Wit made him a full Worldsinger in ''Oathbringer'', so Kaladin told him offscreen.
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[[folder: Did Kaladin just forget to tell Sigzil that Wit made him a full Worldsinger?]]
Wit asks Kaladin to pass that message on to his apprentice, Kaladin realizes that he's talking about Sigzil, but he's never shown doing it. He didn't even confirm that he's talking about Sigzil. Did it just happen offscreen, or did he forget?
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Wit asks Kaladin to pass that message on to his apprentice, Kaladin realizes that he's talking about Sigzil, but he's never shown doing it. He didn't even confirm that he's talking about Sigzil. Did it just happen offscreen, or did he forget?
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** In ''Way of Kings'', when Jasnah kills the thieves, Shallan thinks to herself, "What happened to you? And who did it?" While I don't think she was raped in the past, it's easy to interpret this line as referring to rape.
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** We know as of ''Oathbringer'' that [=BioChroma=] works on both Roshar and in Shadesmar; Hoid uses it in the former case and Azure uses it in the latter.
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** ''Oathbringer'' also indicates that the Recreance wasn't actually a single event, but a prolonged series of the slow erosion of ideals and oaths by the Radiants. Rather than one single dramatic event, it was a series of desertions and abandoned oaths over the years, allowing Radiants to gradually slip away into the shadows.
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** I don't think the current humans are to blame for the parshmen's slavery. After all, if you've gone for millennia living in a society with a perfectly subordinate slave race who never once raise any objections to their status as slaves, you're not going to think anything is wrong with this system. They're not like human slaves who resist or try to escape if they think they've been unjustly enslaved. As far as anyone knew, the parshmen were happy with being enslaved, or even somehow ''needed'' someone to direct them, since otherwise they'd just stand around doing nothing. Unfortunately, that doesn't change the very real fact that the current humans likely would try to re-enslave the parshmen and that the freed parshmen are completely justified in resisting slavery.
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** Szeth may also be a special case since he CameBackWrong with his soul kind of displaced.
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** There's a point or two where policy is contrasted against ''commentary''. Taravangian when brilliant is fully encouraged to interpret the Diagram and speculate about what he meant when writing it, though it's still not taken as gospel. What he's not allowed to do is make any rulings in running the country. It's the difference between figuring out a sequence of numbers is shorthand for entire words, and not having the authority to execute the children's choir outside his room.
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** One thing to remember is that Elhokar doesn't really believe Dalinar tried to assassinate him, but there are fears that someone within Dalinar's camp was responsible for it. Elhokar was routinely meeting Dalinar in confidence throughout the book and was totally blindsided at the end when Dalinar started smacking him around. The real fear on Dalinar's end was that Sadeas would manufacture a justification to gather the other highprinces to attack him.
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** As discussed below, the biggest reason this doesn't come up is that Shallan just doesn't think rationally about the shardblade. None of the others know that she has it, and she suppresses the memories so hard that ''she'' almost doesn't know she has it.
*** You can picture the scene. One of her brothers wishes aloud that they could win a shardblade, and offer it to the ghostbloods. "Something tingled at the back of Shallan's mind and whispered: 'But you already ''have'' a shar-' 'No!' another part screamed. 'Don't think about it! Don't think about it'"
*** You can picture the scene. One of her brothers wishes aloud that they could win a shardblade, and offer it to the ghostbloods. "Something tingled at the back of Shallan's mind and whispered: 'But you already ''have'' a shar-' 'No!' another part screamed. 'Don't think about it! Don't think about it'"
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*** This wouldn't be the first time that Sanderson had a villain who perfectly planned and manipulated an entire society over centuries or millennia to play into his hands.
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** The parshmen were such a perfect race of sleeper agents that it's possible Odium had something to do with it after all. Their subservience would have appealed to basically all humans: Vengeful humans would want to enslave them as punishment, pragmatic humans would want to enslave them simply because they're useful, and compassionate humans would want to enslave them for their own good because otherwise they'd just die out. The third group probably tried to find a cure at first, but after all attempts failed, they eventually gave up, and everyone forgot that they were ever anything but slaves.
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** The Parshendi's anger is understandable. To the humans, the Parshmen weren't self-aware entities, and they had never known that the Parshmen were at one point as intelligent as humans. That being said, the humans were raised in an environment where, for thousands of years, the Parshmen were only known as simple laborers who seemed perfectly content with their lot in life. Unlike human slaves, who fight back or resist, the Parshmen were blindly obedient. I don't think the humans could really be blamed for treating them as what were basically mentally-invalid menial laborers.
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** The parsh don't know any of this. Hell, the humans didn't know any of it. All they know is that they've been enslaved for as long as anyone can remember. However, it should be noted that the singers actually ''were'' willing to come to an accord. Even the Alethi parshmen, the most violent, were just hunkering down for defense [[ProudWarriorRace because that's the natural Alethi instinct when in danger]]. The Azish parshmen were in the middle of negotiations with the government when the Fused arrived, and at the very end the Thaylen parshmen complain that they don't think attacking Thaylen City was necessary. In the end, the reason the war is still going on is because the Fused still remember the original sin of the humans turning on them, and refuse to forgive it even though the ones who are guilty are long, long dead.
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* Obviously, the newly created listeners hate the humans for enslaving them. But is it actually the human's fault? According to the ''Literature/{{Oathbringer}}'' epigraphs, the Radiants didn't intend to turn the listeners into Parshmen when they bound Bo-Ado-Mishram. They were just trying to cut the listeners off from the Unmade's power and control, the fact that it took their minds as well was apparently a complete accident. And once the listeners had become parshmen, they literally could not survive without owners, they'd just stand around until they starved. So what exactly where the Radiants supposed to do with them? Of course, the listeners have no way of knowing any of this, so they're totally justified in their hatred of humanity. It's just interesting to wonder if they are actually correct.
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* Obviously, the newly created listeners hate the humans for enslaving them. But is it actually the human's fault? According to the ''Literature/{{Oathbringer}}'' epigraphs, the Radiants didn't intend to turn the listeners into Parshmen when they bound Bo-Ado-Mishram. They were just trying to cut the listeners off from the Unmade's power and control, the fact that it took their minds as well was apparently a complete accident. And once the listeners had become parshmen, they literally could not survive without owners, they'd just stand around until they starved. So what exactly where the Radiants supposed to do with them? Of course, the listeners have no way of knowing any of this, so they're totally justified in their hatred of humanity. It's just interesting to wonder if they are actually correct.
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** Confirmed in Oathbringer that he retrieved his own Honorblade.
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*** Szeth has massive PTSD at the least and maybe other things.
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** But what if her father's soulcaster wasn't actually broken and he was soulcasting natively like Jasnah and Shallan can?
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** Adding on to this, Jasnah seems to have a general hatred of those who would force a woman's future for her. See her guilt at arranging Shallan's betrothal to Adolin, and her shock when Shallan is thrilled about it. Her particular loathing of Amaram seems to be tied into this as well. So it's hardly surprising she reacts so badly to rapists, which are the absolute worst of the breed.
