History Headscratchers / TheSorcerersApprentice

27th Aug '17 3:22:51 PM sugaricequeen
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* They didn't include the original Dukas Sorcerer's Apprentice piece in its entirety. Not even in the credits where it would make the most sense. They barely had snippets of it in the film. '''WHAT THE #$@$#@?!!!!!'''
** Yeah, this one seriously made me unhappy. C'mon, why not at least in the credits somewhere??
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8th Jul '17 1:42:12 PM nombretomado
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* I may be missing something here, but [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what happened to Drake and Abigail?]] I know that Horvath used the Parasite Spell to drain their powers, and according to TheOtherWiki, that killed them. But if that's the case, what happened to their bodies? When Balthazar enters Drake's office (when he finds the Persian quick-rug) where we saw Horvath use the spell a few scenes earlier, Drake is nowhere to be seen. Same thing when Dave finds the Grimhold - no Abigail. Did they turn to dust? [[FridgeHorror Are their bodies still in Drake's apartment for Drake's unsuspecting maid to find?]] It really annoys me that both of them just vanish when it would have been incredibly simple to show them turning to dust or something.

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* I may be missing something here, but [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what happened to Drake and Abigail?]] I know that Horvath used the Parasite Spell to drain their powers, and according to TheOtherWiki, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, that killed them. But if that's the case, what happened to their bodies? When Balthazar enters Drake's office (when he finds the Persian quick-rug) where we saw Horvath use the spell a few scenes earlier, Drake is nowhere to be seen. Same thing when Dave finds the Grimhold - no Abigail. Did they turn to dust? [[FridgeHorror Are their bodies still in Drake's apartment for Drake's unsuspecting maid to find?]] It really annoys me that both of them just vanish when it would have been incredibly simple to show them turning to dust or something.
5th May '17 8:22:57 PM lorgskyegon
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** My guess would be that Balthazar considers being a bad liar to be a sign of being a good person.
15th Apr '17 5:55:38 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* Does Dave being a bad liar hold any actual significance in the film? Balthazar states at one point that "it's a good sign", but it never comes up in any meaningful way.
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22nd Dec '16 8:09:46 AM Morgenthaler
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** What makes this worse is, apparently she ''was'' intended to have a larger role. The Making Of shows her (as well as Balthazar and Dave) holding off Morgana's fire attack, and the novelization includes this as well. The latter also has her understand what Dave is trying to do, agreeing that using the lingering power of Morgana's circle could just be the only way to save Balthazar. If memory serves she even instructs him a bit. As it is though, it all starts to sound like a really big DoubleStandard since all the women in the movie are ineffectual or evil. Here's hoping if they do get to make the sequel, we get to see Veronica do real magic, as well as be BadAss. I'd love to see her help take on Chernabog.

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** What makes this worse is, apparently she ''was'' intended to have a larger role. The Making Of shows her (as well as Balthazar and Dave) holding off Morgana's fire attack, and the novelization includes this as well. The latter also has her understand what Dave is trying to do, agreeing that using the lingering power of Morgana's circle could just be the only way to save Balthazar. If memory serves she even instructs him a bit. As it is though, it all starts to sound like a really big DoubleStandard since all the women in the movie are ineffectual or evil. Here's hoping if they do get to make the sequel, we get to see Veronica do real magic, as well as be BadAss.badass. I'd love to see her help take on Chernabog.
22nd Oct '16 11:43:00 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* They didn't include the original Dukas Sorcerer's Apprentice piece in its entirety. [[TheyJustDidntCare Not even in the credits where it would make the most sense]]. They barely had snippets of it in the film. '''WHAT THE #$@$#@?!!!!!'''

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* They didn't include the original Dukas Sorcerer's Apprentice piece in its entirety. [[TheyJustDidntCare Not even in the credits where it would make the most sense]].sense. They barely had snippets of it in the film. '''WHAT THE #$@$#@?!!!!!'''
7th May '16 10:21:32 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** Let's not forget that Veronica was, according to Balthazar, the one who "[[IJustWantToBeNormal always just wanted to be normal]]", just like Dave. While they could've done more to have her convey this side of herself when she actually appears onscreen, in my opinion, it still would've been weird if they'd brought it up not only to not mention it later, but have her completely go against it by using magic to fight with no reservations.
2nd Jan '16 8:55:39 AM CaptHayfever
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*** If the Troper before you is correct & the first spell only allows movement within sight of the trapping mirror, then Horvath couldn't leave the room to find another reflective surface elsewhere.
5th Apr '15 3:16:37 PM Ingonyama
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** She does apparently participate briefly in the shield against Morgana's spell with Dave and Balthazar (freeze-frame on the DVD is your friend), but otherwise she doesn't do anything to help, just crouches over Balthazar and cradles him. She doesn't even do anything to try and help Dave resuscitate him. Yes, the movie was all about the ChosenOne coming into his powers, and he was prophesied as [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou The Only One Allowed To Defeat Her]], but surely she could have helped ''somehow. At the very least having housed Morgana in her for centuries she might have learned some powerful spells or perhaps even a weakness she could have told Dave.

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** She does apparently participate briefly in the shield against Morgana's spell with Dave and Balthazar (freeze-frame on the DVD is your friend), but otherwise she doesn't do anything to help, just crouches over Balthazar and cradles him. She doesn't even do anything to try and help Dave resuscitate him. Yes, the movie was all about the ChosenOne coming into his powers, and he was prophesied as [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou The Only One Allowed To Defeat Her]], but surely she could have helped ''somehow.''somehow''. At the very least having housed Morgana in her for centuries she might have learned some powerful spells or perhaps even a weakness she could have told Dave.
4th Dec '14 10:23:46 AM bookwormgal
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*** Uh, that IS the point. Yes, AWizardDidIt is a trope, but in a universe with SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic, AWizardDidIt is no more acceptable than "A scientist did it" would be in a hard sci fi movie. Once you decide you're going to explain magic and not just HandWave it then yes, you ''do'' need to explain how it works. Basically you're saying you think magic should never be explained. That's a valid view, but trying to explain it, whether through MagicAIsMagicA, SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic, or some other way of explaining the rules of FunctionalMagic, is equally valid.



*** Uh, that IS the point. Yes, AWizardDidIt is a trope, but in a universe with SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic, AWizardDidIt is no more acceptable than "A scientist did it" would be in a hard sci fi movie. Once you decide you're going to explain magic and not just HandWave it then yes, you ''do'' need to explain how it works. Basically you're saying you think magic should never be explained. That's a valid view, but trying to explain it, whether through MagicAIsMagicA, SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic, or some other way of explaining the rules of FunctionalMagic, is equally valid.

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*** Uh, that IS the point. Yes, AWizardDidIt is a trope, but in a universe with SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic, AWizardDidIt is no more acceptable than "A scientist did it" would be in a hard sci fi movie. Once you decide you're going to explain magic and not just HandWave it then yes, you ''do'' need to explain how it works. Basically you're saying you think magic should never be explained. That's a valid view, but trying to explain it, whether through MagicAIsMagicA, SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic, or some other way of explaining the rules of FunctionalMagic, is equally valid.
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