History Headscratchers / TheRock

22nd Sep '17 7:29:19 PM YT45
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** 1) That stuff is probably there partly as part of the boiler function, and partly specifically so the ventilation shaft isn't an easy escape route. 2) The door probably used to have a lock on the inside, when Alcatraz was actually a prison and not a tourist trap.

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** 1) That stuff is probably there partly as part of the boiler function, and partly specifically so the ventilation shaft isn't an easy escape route. 2) The door probably used to have a lock on the inside, when Alcatraz was actually a prison and not a tourist trap.trap.
** The catacombs of Alcatraz date back to the Civil War, when the guns of Fort Alcatraz protected San Francisco Bay from Confederate raiders and other possible threats, and some of the original redoubts still stand above ground. It didn't become a prison until the Army converted it to a Disciplinary Barracks around the turn of the century, and didn't start housing notorious felons until it was transferred to the Federal Bureau of Prisons in the 1920s--who had no need for underground bunkers. Each change resulted in new construction on top of the old. On top of that, the catacombs would be well out of bounds for inmates, and hypothetically inaccessible to them anyway. Remember that the guards' wives and children lived in apartment blocks on the island, just downhill from the prison yard. Even when a major escape attempt had to be put down by Marines in 1947, the families were considered fairly safe (it was understood that any harm to the women and children would result in every last con being slaughtered, regardless of involvement, so the more psychotic ones were policed by the rest). Say an escaping con made it that far, where was he going? The water is very cold (Alcatraz was the only Federal prison with hot showers for the inmates, as a security measure to ensure they wouldn't acclimate to cold water), and the current is strong. Sure, it's possible to swim--for Iron Man athletes who train for it. All of this, however, likely has less to do with it than RuleOfCool.
29th Aug '17 9:57:00 AM ddyingle
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* If the entire premise of the movie is to defeat chemical weapons, why was not a single person (depot gaurds at the beginning, the bad guys, the Navy SEALS, or the supposed chemical "super freak") wearing chemical-protective garments or a frigging protective mask (gas mask) at their side? That's Day 3 basic training stuff.

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* If the entire premise of the movie is to defeat chemical weapons, why was not a single person (depot gaurds guards at the beginning, the bad guys, the Navy SEALS, or the supposed chemical "super freak") wearing chemical-protective garments or a frigging protective mask (gas mask) at their side? That's Day 3 basic training stuff.



* If Hummel was bluffing the entire time...than why did he not remove the guidance chips himself or tell his men this, or even launch one if he was going to let it be destroyed anyway?

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* If Hummel was bluffing the entire time...than then why did he not remove the guidance chips himself or tell his men this, or even launch one if he was going to let it be destroyed anyway?
23rd Aug '17 1:14:16 PM Lawyerdude
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** During the chase scene, Goodspeed asks Marvin to try to find Mason in the FBI database. When he couldn't find the name, Goodspeed tells him to look for who was transferred to Wolfburg Prison from San Quentin in 1976, and he finds Jade as the next of kin. According to the script, after escaping Alcatraz he was recaptured and sent to San Quentin, where he broke out again and sent to Wolfburg when he was recaptured again. Of course Wolfburg is fictional, and San Quentin is run by the California Department of Corrections, not the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
15th Jul '17 7:25:20 PM dante8
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* When/how many times did Mason escape from jail? He must have escaped from Alcatraz before it was closed in 1963, but his daughter is played by an actress born in 1972, and she mentions he met her mother at a Led Zeppelin concert, when the band was formed in 1968. Are we just supposed to assume he escaped at least one more time? Or were specific dates/how many times he escaped given and I missed them? Also, was it mentioned what jail he went to after Alcatraz closed?



** If they're clever, they can claim they left something on the bus. If they're not clever, they can all throw a tantrum that makes the teacher get them back on the bus.

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** If they're clever, they can claim they left something on the bus. Or say they're sick. If they're not clever, they can all throw a tantrum that makes the teacher get them back on the bus.
15th Nov '16 6:22:49 PM AbnormalMoose
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** He memorized it to break ''out''. He was taking Goodspeed and the SEAL team in through the way he'd escaped originally.

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** He memorized it to break ''out''. He was taking Goodspeed and the SEAL team in through the way he'd escaped originally.originally.
** 1) That stuff is probably there partly as part of the boiler function, and partly specifically so the ventilation shaft isn't an easy escape route. 2) The door probably used to have a lock on the inside, when Alcatraz was actually a prison and not a tourist trap.
15th Nov '16 5:52:24 PM AbnormalMoose
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** "Teacher, some guy came up and told us we need to get back on the bus and leave." That alone was probably odd and maybe disturbing enough to get her to do it. It also put the whole operation at risk because if the teacher pitched a fit it could have called a ton of attention, but Hummell probably values not involving children over the op going smoothly.
19th Sep '16 8:56:29 AM MrDeath
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** If they're clever, they can claim they left something on the bus. If they're not clever, they can all throw a tantrum that makes the teacher get them back on the bus.
19th Sep '16 8:23:16 AM milesenberg
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* How are the children that Hummell talks to at the beginning supposed to convince their teacher to get off the island?
26th Jul '16 5:05:18 AM damnedifiaint
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*** If one of them gets squished, you either inject yourself with atropine or kiss the world goodbye. You don't exactly need training for either of those.
24th Feb '16 8:31:52 AM Kooshmeister
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* Mason was able to get through the MalevolentArchitecture of the random spinning gear and timed flame room (why exactly did Alcatraz need that?) because he had memorized the timing during his escape. After getting through himself, he was able to open the door from the other side to let the team through. So, prisons routinely have doors that can only be opened from the inside? And Mason memorized the pattern necessary to break ''into'' Alcatraz because...?

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* Mason was able to get through the MalevolentArchitecture of the random spinning gear and timed flame room (why exactly did Alcatraz need that?) because he had memorized the timing during his escape. After getting through himself, he was able to open the door from the other side to let the team through. So, prisons routinely have doors that can only be opened from the inside? And Mason memorized the pattern necessary to break ''into'' Alcatraz because...??
** He memorized it to break ''out''. He was taking Goodspeed and the SEAL team in through the way he'd escaped originally.
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