History Headscratchers / TheRock

1st May '18 12:53:20 AM Historybuff5341
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* Goodspeed's girlfriend knows what he does for a living, so why when he tries to tell her not to come to San Francisco does she not realize the danger and ignore him? If your boyfriend who works with disarming WMDs tells you to avoid a city no matter what, wouldn't you assume there was a damn good reason for it?

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* Goodspeed's *Goodspeed's girlfriend knows what he does for a living, so why when he tries to tell her not to come to San Francisco does she not realize the danger and ignore him? If your boyfriend who works with disarming WMDs W.M.D.s tells you to avoid a city no matter what, wouldn't you assume there was a damn good reason for it?
1st May '18 12:52:36 AM Historybuff5341
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** The catacombs of Alcatraz date back to the Civil War, when the guns of Fort Alcatraz protected San Francisco Bay from Confederate raiders and other possible threats, and some of the original redoubts still stand above ground. It didn't become a prison until the Army converted it to a Disciplinary Barracks around the turn of the century, and didn't start housing notorious felons until it was transferred to the Federal Bureau of Prisons in the 1920s--who had no need for underground bunkers. Each change resulted in new construction on top of the old. On top of that, the catacombs would be well out of bounds for inmates, and hypothetically inaccessible to them anyway. Remember that the guards' wives and children lived in apartment blocks on the island, just downhill from the prison yard. Even when a major escape attempt had to be put down by Marines in 1947, the families were considered fairly safe (it was understood that any harm to the women and children would result in every last con being slaughtered, regardless of involvement, so the more psychotic ones were policed by the rest). Say an escaping con made it that far, where was he going? The water is very cold (Alcatraz was the only Federal prison with hot showers for the inmates, as a security measure to ensure they wouldn't acclimate to cold water), and the current is strong. Sure, it's possible to swim--for Iron Man athletes who train for it. All of this, however, likely has less to do with it than RuleOfCool.

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** The catacombs of Alcatraz date back to the Civil War, when the guns of Fort Alcatraz protected San Francisco Bay from Confederate raiders and other possible threats, and some of the original redoubts still stand above ground. It didn't become a prison until the Army converted it to a Disciplinary Barracks around the turn of the century, and didn't start housing notorious felons until it was transferred to the Federal Bureau of Prisons in the 1920s--who had no need for underground bunkers. Each change resulted in new construction on top of the old. On top of that, the catacombs would be well out of bounds for inmates, and hypothetically inaccessible to them anyway. Remember that the guards' wives and children lived in apartment blocks on the island, just downhill from the prison yard. Even when a major escape attempt had to be put down by Marines in 1947, the families were considered fairly safe (it was understood that any harm to the women and children would result in every last con being slaughtered, regardless of involvement, so the more psychotic ones were policed by the rest). Say an escaping con made it that far, where was he going? The water is very cold (Alcatraz was the only Federal prison with hot showers for the inmates, as a security measure to ensure they wouldn't acclimate to cold water), and the current is strong. Sure, it's possible to swim--for Iron Man athletes who train for it. All of this, however, likely has less to do with it than RuleOfCool.RuleOfCool.

*Goodspeed's girlfriend knows what he does for a living, so why when he tries to tell her not to come to San Francisco does she not realize the danger and ignore him? If your boyfriend who works with disarming WMDs tells you to avoid a city no matter what, wouldn't you assume there was a damn good reason for it?
1st Feb '18 11:32:17 AM JohnnyChimpo
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** Removing the guidance chips took a tremendous amount of poise and stability - one false move and the whole array falls apart and everyone's dead. Goodspeed's ability to think clearly and operate under pressure was demonstrated during the teddy bear situation early in the film, and when it comes time to remove the guidance chip it's obvious that even the {{Ace}} Mason is unsure of himself.
22nd Sep '17 7:29:19 PM YT45
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** 1) That stuff is probably there partly as part of the boiler function, and partly specifically so the ventilation shaft isn't an easy escape route. 2) The door probably used to have a lock on the inside, when Alcatraz was actually a prison and not a tourist trap.

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** 1) That stuff is probably there partly as part of the boiler function, and partly specifically so the ventilation shaft isn't an easy escape route. 2) The door probably used to have a lock on the inside, when Alcatraz was actually a prison and not a tourist trap.trap.
** The catacombs of Alcatraz date back to the Civil War, when the guns of Fort Alcatraz protected San Francisco Bay from Confederate raiders and other possible threats, and some of the original redoubts still stand above ground. It didn't become a prison until the Army converted it to a Disciplinary Barracks around the turn of the century, and didn't start housing notorious felons until it was transferred to the Federal Bureau of Prisons in the 1920s--who had no need for underground bunkers. Each change resulted in new construction on top of the old. On top of that, the catacombs would be well out of bounds for inmates, and hypothetically inaccessible to them anyway. Remember that the guards' wives and children lived in apartment blocks on the island, just downhill from the prison yard. Even when a major escape attempt had to be put down by Marines in 1947, the families were considered fairly safe (it was understood that any harm to the women and children would result in every last con being slaughtered, regardless of involvement, so the more psychotic ones were policed by the rest). Say an escaping con made it that far, where was he going? The water is very cold (Alcatraz was the only Federal prison with hot showers for the inmates, as a security measure to ensure they wouldn't acclimate to cold water), and the current is strong. Sure, it's possible to swim--for Iron Man athletes who train for it. All of this, however, likely has less to do with it than RuleOfCool.
29th Aug '17 9:57:00 AM ddyingle
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* If the entire premise of the movie is to defeat chemical weapons, why was not a single person (depot gaurds at the beginning, the bad guys, the Navy SEALS, or the supposed chemical "super freak") wearing chemical-protective garments or a frigging protective mask (gas mask) at their side? That's Day 3 basic training stuff.

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* If the entire premise of the movie is to defeat chemical weapons, why was not a single person (depot gaurds guards at the beginning, the bad guys, the Navy SEALS, or the supposed chemical "super freak") wearing chemical-protective garments or a frigging protective mask (gas mask) at their side? That's Day 3 basic training stuff.



* If Hummel was bluffing the entire time...than why did he not remove the guidance chips himself or tell his men this, or even launch one if he was going to let it be destroyed anyway?

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* If Hummel was bluffing the entire time...than then why did he not remove the guidance chips himself or tell his men this, or even launch one if he was going to let it be destroyed anyway?
23rd Aug '17 1:14:16 PM Lawyerdude
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** During the chase scene, Goodspeed asks Marvin to try to find Mason in the FBI database. When he couldn't find the name, Goodspeed tells him to look for who was transferred to Wolfburg Prison from San Quentin in 1976, and he finds Jade as the next of kin. According to the script, after escaping Alcatraz he was recaptured and sent to San Quentin, where he broke out again and sent to Wolfburg when he was recaptured again. Of course Wolfburg is fictional, and San Quentin is run by the California Department of Corrections, not the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
15th Jul '17 7:25:20 PM dante8
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* When/how many times did Mason escape from jail? He must have escaped from Alcatraz before it was closed in 1963, but his daughter is played by an actress born in 1972, and she mentions he met her mother at a Led Zeppelin concert, when the band was formed in 1968. Are we just supposed to assume he escaped at least one more time? Or were specific dates/how many times he escaped given and I missed them? Also, was it mentioned what jail he went to after Alcatraz closed?



** If they're clever, they can claim they left something on the bus. If they're not clever, they can all throw a tantrum that makes the teacher get them back on the bus.

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** If they're clever, they can claim they left something on the bus. Or say they're sick. If they're not clever, they can all throw a tantrum that makes the teacher get them back on the bus.
15th Nov '16 6:22:49 PM AbnormalMoose
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** He memorized it to break ''out''. He was taking Goodspeed and the SEAL team in through the way he'd escaped originally.

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** He memorized it to break ''out''. He was taking Goodspeed and the SEAL team in through the way he'd escaped originally.originally.
** 1) That stuff is probably there partly as part of the boiler function, and partly specifically so the ventilation shaft isn't an easy escape route. 2) The door probably used to have a lock on the inside, when Alcatraz was actually a prison and not a tourist trap.
15th Nov '16 5:52:24 PM AbnormalMoose
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** "Teacher, some guy came up and told us we need to get back on the bus and leave." That alone was probably odd and maybe disturbing enough to get her to do it. It also put the whole operation at risk because if the teacher pitched a fit it could have called a ton of attention, but Hummell probably values not involving children over the op going smoothly.
19th Sep '16 8:56:29 AM MrDeath
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** If they're clever, they can claim they left something on the bus. If they're not clever, they can all throw a tantrum that makes the teacher get them back on the bus.
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