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* In the scene where the Hero Boy enters the passenger train after getting on (and meets both the Hero Girl and Know It All Kid), the kids sing the Polar Express song. How do they know it when the train was not known about until kids see it for themselves (In fact the song out of universe was made for this movie so didn't exist "many years ago")?
* When exactly did this movie (Plus the book its adapted from) take place? All we know is that it was many years ago, and the Hero Boy is narrating the beginning and end as an adult.
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This headscratchers is no longer needed because of Toy Ship in the YMMV!


* So who ships the Hero Boy and the Hero Girl? I do, but no one seems to talk about it very much. It was hinted at the beginning when the boy gets on the train and meets her, and it seems odd this isn't mentioned on the YMMV page or any of the shipping tropes.
** These are ''children.'' Both of them seem to be around seven to nine years old. Any kind of romantic relationship isn't necessary and probably would be uncomfortable. Offering friendship doesn't mean there's any kind of romantic intention behind it.
*** Furthermore, since the tale is established as possibly being all a dream, they would have to permanently part ways at the end. That would have been a messy sub-plot resolution in an already-long movie. Not to mention a white-and-black romance (or even friendship) would have led to problems in the 1930s-1940s era.
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** In both cases, the boys still have a sense of adventure and hope, despite their cynicism.


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** These are ''children.'' Both of them seem to be around seven to nine years old. Any kind of romantic relationship isn't necessary and probably would be uncomfortable. Offering friendship doesn't mean there's any kind of romantic intention behind it.
*** Furthermore, since the tale is established as possibly being all a dream, they would have to permanently part ways at the end. That would have been a messy sub-plot resolution in an already-long movie. Not to mention a white-and-black romance (or even friendship) would have led to problems in the 1930s-1940s era.
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*** Considering that the engineers (called Smokey, the one with the beard, and Steamer, the plump man, respectively) are rather ditsy, it seems more likely that they're being a bit over-supersticious on the Hobo figure; especially considering that other scenes in the film imply that he's ''something/someone else''. Holly (The Hero Girl) believes that he might be a guardian angel. Then there's the question as to how the engineers knew if there was a Hobo who died on the train, especially since that they wouldn't've found his body during the winter's night because of snow.
** This troper honestly believes that the Hobo is not a ghost, but is actually the mythological figure, Jack Frost. This is due to the fact that the Hobo has the ability to appear and disappear into the snow, and at one point he effortlessly managed to move on the top of a moving ice-covered train with a child on his shoulders in the middle of a blizzard. Moreover, at several points over the course of the movie, the Hobo is seen suddenly appearing to help the main character and the Conductor from the snow, one notable occurrence is when the train is sliding over ice. Then there's the fact that he calls himself the "King of the North Pole", something that would make sense if he was Jack Frost as the North Pole is in perpetual winter. The Hobo also appears to be a bit of a mischievous being, much like Jack Frost himself. It certainly makes a lot of sense, especially considering the fact that the Hobo clearly isn't human, as he manages to appear and disappear into the snow. He also helps Hero Boy many times, one time grabbing him from falling off the train, another time tapping the manual brake wheel on the speeding runaway observation car with his cup before disappearing. Moreover, one of Jack Frost's defining mythological traits is that he enjoys helping children, much like the Hobo himself.
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** I was always given the impression that the fireman's yells were used to communicate with the caribou and tell them to move off the tracks. The train whistle wouldn't have accomplished that. (That's not to say that they wouldn't have tried it, but the pulling-the-beard came about before they needed to.)

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*So who ships the Hero Boy and the Hero Girl? I do, but no one seems to talk about it very much. It was hinted at the beginning when the boy gets on the train and meets her, and it seems odd this isn't mentioned on the YMMV page or any of the shipping tropes.
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* So in the beginning when the train arrives at the boy's house and he meets the conductor, he is hesitant about going and almost didn't ride. What suddenly made him change his mind? Same goes for when the train arrives at Billy's house.
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** Maybe the whistle would have caused them to panic and stampede.
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Providing reasons for the train to not have fallen right through the ice.

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** When the tipped-over engine rights itself, it creates a huge network of cracks in the ice. Had the sheer force of the engine slamming onto the ice not been distributed out over, well, every wheel on the engine, it likely would have broken through the ice. And when the train pulls a J-turn you can clearly see that the wheels leave deep enough scratches in the ice that the breakage almost exclusively follows them.
** And when the train hit the ice, it was nearly level. There was some breakage, but it didn't really slam into it from above. After that it was mostly coasting on the ice like a giant metal ice-skater, which could probably be supported if the ice was thick enough.
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* At the caribou crossing, the characters clear the herd away by pulling on the fireman's beard. Wouldn't it have been easier to use the whistle, which is probably louder than the fireman's screams?

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** If you mean when the bell fell, for dramatic effect. The song wasn't the point of the scene any more, and slowing down and quieting the song was meant to draw viewers' attention to the important parts of the sequence, as well as drawing out [[{{Overcrank}} something that would normally last for half a second to several dramatic seconds]].
*** ...and making the song sound like a dying cow is singing it? Stupid.

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** If you mean when the bell fell, for dramatic effect. The song wasn't the point of the scene any more, and slowing down and quieting the song was meant to draw viewers' attention to the important parts of the sequence, as well as drawing out [[{{Overcrank}} something that would normally last for half a second to several dramatic seconds]].
*** ...and making the song sound like a dying cow is singing it? Stupid.
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*** Know-It-All Kid is familiar with both Herpolsheimer's and the ''wrong-side-of-the-tracks'' part of town, so he probably also lives in the same town with Billy and Hero Boy.
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** It's possible that it hadn't "worked out" in other ways than just not getting presents, and/or that it hasn't really ''never'' worked out, just not for the past few years or so. It's obvious that he comes from a poor family, so if one (or both) of his parents were, say, abusive, argumentative, or alcoholic, it'd be more than capable of putting a damper on his mood. (Especially so if he believed the presents came from them before the arrival of the Polar Express.)
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* Santa is completely real in the film, and he really does deliver presents to every good boy and girl. So, why hasn't Christmas "worked out" for Billy before? Has he been on the naughty list every year before now?
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*** Actually, one of the elves mention that they knew what the kids were doing the whole time.
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Hey Its That Guy cut by TRS decision. Ditto for Hey Its That Voice.


** Just one more piece of evidence that all of the other children are illusionary constructs to help the main kid in his learning experience, along with [[HeyItsThatVoice Mandark]] showing up in the middle of the stack of presents and shutting up and apologizing with next to no actual CharacterDevelopment, and the girl knowing or realizing things the conductor should have known all along and revealed for safety's sake instead of leaving it up to one of the kids to figure out.

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** Just one more piece of evidence that all of the other children are illusionary constructs to help the main kid in his learning experience, along with [[HeyItsThatVoice Mandark]] Mandark showing up in the middle of the stack of presents and shutting up and apologizing with next to no actual CharacterDevelopment, and the girl knowing or realizing things the conductor should have known all along and revealed for safety's sake instead of leaving it up to one of the kids to figure out.
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** Also, keep in mind that every setback was inadvertently or otherwise caused by the Hero Boy, who the conductor knows from the beginning is having doubts as to the existence of Santa Claus. As they begin to stack on top of one another, it'd make sense for him to suspect that it was a mistake to let him on anyway, and that he was only using the opportunity to sabotage the trip for the other children. And how many times would anyone in a group of children, even excited children, feel the need to pull the emergency train on a train?

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** Also, keep in mind that every setback was inadvertently or otherwise caused by the Hero Boy, who the conductor knows from the beginning is having doubts as to the existence of Santa Claus. As they begin to stack on top of one another, it'd make sense for him to suspect that it was a mistake to let him on anyway, and that he was only using the opportunity to sabotage the trip for the other children. And how many times would anyone in a group of children, even excited children, feel the need to pull the emergency train brakes on a train? train?
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** Also, keep in mind that every setback was inadvertently or otherwise caused by the Hero Boy, who the conductor knows from the beginning is having doubts as to the existence of Santa Claus. As they begin to stack on top of one another, it'd make sense for him to suspect that it was a mistake to let him on anyway, and that he was only using the opportunity to sabotage the trip for the other children. And how many times would anyone in a group of children, even excited children, feel the need to pull the emergency train on a train?
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** Mayhaps it's because the weight of the train, while monumental, is spread out over a large area across the ice, whereas the cracks formed by the pin were from a single, solitary, and ''sharp'' impact point.

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** Mayhaps it's because the weight of the train, while monumental, is spread out over a large area across the ice, and the train did nothing to actually pierce through the frozen surface, whereas the cracks formed by the pin were from a single, solitary, and ''sharp'' (compared to the train) impact point.
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** Mayhaps it's because the weight of the train, while monumental, is spread out over a large area across the ice, whereas the cracks formed by the pin were from a single, solitary, and ''sharp'' impact point.
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** Maybe, but there does seem to be a legitimate need to get the train back on track when the ice on the frozen lake begins to crack, and for the hobo to get Hero Boy up to the engine before they hit the tunnel.

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*** The Gameboy Advanced version of the VideoGame has a cut-scene where the conductor states, "and you, miss. You better get back to shovelling coal," which basically confirms what the troper above said. As for taking her over the roof, the door in the old toy car was double locked, implying that there may be a padlock on the inside, making it impossible to travel into the toy car from the passenger cars.

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*** The Gameboy Advanced version of the VideoGame has a cut-scene where the conductor states, "and you, miss. You better get back to shovelling shoveling coal," which basically confirms what the troper above said. As for taking her over the roof, the door in the old toy car was double locked, implying that there may be a padlock on the inside, making it impossible to travel into the toy car from the passenger cars.


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** Don't forget, the ''Express'' is not only magical, but weirdly sentient. For example, it could ''sense'' the caribou crossing from miles off, but couldn't deal with them directly. Her solution: Get the two comedy engineers to where they'll see the offending herd. How to get them out there? Burn out the light-bulb so they can replace it.
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** Hopefully there's enough magic around to prevent any deaths on the train.

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** Hopefully there's enough magic around to prevent any deaths on the train. Side theory: not only is the Hobo a ghost, but so is the conductor, the engineers, and even those guys who served the hot chocolate.
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** Hopefully there's enough magic around to prevent any deaths on the train.

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* This may be just me, but...the lessons the children learn at the end. The Hero Girl learns about leadership and that she should be confident in her own abilities, Billy learns that he should trust those who try to help him, and Lenny (the know-it-all boy) learns to...learn, and not be such a know-it-all. I understand that those are all aesops that can be applied to the real world. But the main character, Hero Boy, learns that he needs to 'believe', as though that's a major character flaw of his, and yet the only reason he was having doubts was because he was being taken on a train to the North Pole to supposedly meet with Santa Claus...not to mention the hobo who was there implying that it ''may'' have been nothing but a dream. Wouldn't most people be a little bit doubtful under those circumstances, and doesn't that make Hero Boy's ultimate lesson not as appropriate as the others?

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** Even if they were cold, anyways, it's not like that would affect anything in the story. Complaining about how cold it is would really just be a statement of the obvious, and it's not like there's much they could do to change that.
* This may be just me, is kind of morbid, but...what would the lessons people on the children learn at train have done if one of the end. The Hero Girl learns about leadership and that she should be confident in her own abilities, Billy learns that he should trust those who try to help him, and Lenny (the know-it-all boy) learns to...learn, and not be such a know-it-all. I understand that those are all aesops that can be applied to kids had died during the real world. But trip? Say, if the main character, Hero Boy, learns that he needs to 'believe', as though that's a major character flaw of his, and yet the only reason he was having doubts was because he was being taken on a train hadn't made it to the North Pole to supposedly meet with Santa Claus...not to mention the hobo who was there implying that it ''may'' engine in time before they hit Flattop Tunnel...What would they have been nothing but a dream. Wouldn't most people be a little bit doubtful under those circumstances, and doesn't that make Hero Boy's ultimate lesson not as appropriate as the others? done then?
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* This may be just me, but...the lessons the children learn at the end. The Hero Girl learns about leadership and that she should be confident in her own abilities, Billy learns that he should trust those who try to help him, and Lenny (the know-it-all boy) learns to...learn, and not be such a know-it-all. I understand that those are all aesops that can be applied to the real world. But the main character, Hero Boy, learns that he needs to 'believe', as though that's a major character flaw of his, and yet the only reason he was having doubts was because he was being taken on a train to the North Pole to supposedly meet with Santa Claus...not to mention the hobo who was there implying that it ''may'' have been nothing but a dream. Wouldn't most people be a little bit doubtful under those circumstances, and doesn't that make Hero Boy's ultimate lesson not as appropriate as the others?
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** Or maybe that's part of the magic. Considering that it can remain 5 minutes to midnight for a number of hours, it doesn't seem too far fetched that the snow is a little less cold than it would be in real life.

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