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** What’s more, we don’t strictly know that the powers Daphnes has are from Hylia’s bloodline. It could be base-level magic he learned or a bestowal of powers by the three Golden Goddesses.
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** For a darker take, it's possible that this is a case of GodsNeedPrayerBadly. The blessings of the Sages of Earth and Wind might have been the thing keeping her alive--she couldn't tell King Daphnes, or anyone else, about the situation because she was ''dying.'' The lack of the prayers may have rendered her completely comatose or too close to death to communicate at all.

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** For a darker take, it's possible that this is a case of GodsNeedPrayerBadly. The blessings of the Sages of Earth and Wind might have been the thing keeping her Fi alive--she couldn't tell King Daphnes, or anyone else, about the situation because she was ''dying.'' The lack of the prayers may have rendered her completely comatose or too close to death to communicate at all.
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** For a darker take, it's possible that this is a case of GodsNeedPrayerBadly. The blessings of the Sages of Earth and Wind might have been the thing keeping her alive--she couldn't tell King Daphnes, or anyone else, about the situation because she was ''dying.'' The lack of the prayers may have rendered her completely comatose or too close to death to communicate at all.
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** While it's not very endearing on the part of the King, the basement chamber does seem to have a constant source of water, so even if we assume that the gods and the Triforce of Wisdom did nothing to help her, she would actually be fine until starvation did her in, which could take as many as one to two months. That's more than enough time to get through the Earth and Wind Temple, and overworld travel would be a snap with the Ballad of Gales, so the only unknown the King would need to account for is the hunt for the Triforce shards, which doesn't end up taking more than a few days of in-game time.
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** The Encyclopedia also makes claims about Termina's existence that make no sense at all. It opens with a note telling readers to take everything it says with a grain of salt. It may be taken as canon by some people, but it's not on the same level as the games themselves. It's not possible for every Hyrulean princess to be the reincarnated goddess, unless each one dies in childbirth in order to pass her soul onto her daughter.
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*** Perhaps not in Skyward Sword itself, but the Zelda Encyclopedia does say quite definitively that all Princess Zeldas are actually the goddess Hylia, "eternally reborn".
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**** But they didn't destroy Hyrule. The kingdom is still perfectly intact thanks to the bubble that keeps it contained beneath the seawater and the time-lock the Master Sword held it in. And going off of Ganondorf's interpretation of Tetra's dreams and dialogue from the Deku Tree about the King of Red Lions, it seems the true intent of the gods was to seal Hyrule and Ganondorf away until the King was able to find a new hero, then have him and Zelda's heir defeat Ganondorf and use the reunited Triforce to resurrect the sunken kingdom. It's not until the end of the game that the King has an epiphany about Ganondorf's motivations and reasons that it's better to destroy Hyrule completely rather than bring it back to the surface. In doing so, he allows the islanders who've long since forgotten about it to continue living in a peace that no one in his kingdom had ever been able to enjoy for very long.
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** It could also be a deliberate symbolic aspect, emphasizing Balance. That while the Rito are birds of the air, they still need the earth to land on and build their homes, and while the Koroks are seeds of the Earth, it's the wind that scatters seeds to permit new growth. Showing the Yin and Yang balance of things, reminding the races that they need the other element just as much.
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*** Most likely this. Medli is first and foremost a priestess (and a very diligent apprentice at that), and so she's likely never put much effort into becoming a strong flier like others. Wereas most Rito seem to spend a great deal of time either flying on duty or go to the Flight Range in their free time, Medli seems to have spent most if not all her waking moments studying and training as an attendant. Thus could also explain her comparatively pale complexion (in that she doesn't spend much time outside)
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** As mentioned above, the Light arrows are almost always summoned and presented to Link by Zelda's magic, and the ones in this game do look distinctly different than the ones from ''Ocarina of Time''. After taking Tetra captive, Ganondorf might've found a way to force-summon the arrows out of her, and then hid them in his tower for Link to find. (Or maybe Tetra summoned them herself when Ganondorf showed up to capture her, but they weren't enough to hold him back.) Ganondprf's portrayal in this game centers around him being glued to upholding tradition and wanting to test the new hero's abilities, so it is in character for him to forego being pragmatic in this instance and let Link seek out the things he needs for their encounter.

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** As mentioned above, the Light arrows are almost always summoned and presented to Link by Zelda's magic, and the ones in this game do look distinctly different than the ones from ''Ocarina of Time''. After taking Tetra captive, Ganondorf might've found a way to force-summon the arrows out of her, and then hid them in his tower for Link to find. (Or maybe Tetra summoned them herself when Ganondorf showed up to capture her, but they weren't enough to hold him back.) Ganondprf's Ganondorf's portrayal in this game centers around him being glued to upholding tradition and wanting to test the new hero's abilities, so it is in character for him to forego being pragmatic in this instance and let Link seek out the things he needs for their encounter.
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** As mentioned above, the Light arrows are almost always summoned and presented to Link by Zelda's magic, and the ones in this game do look distinctly different than the ones from ''Ocarina of Time''. After taking Tetra captive, Ganondorf might've found a way to force-summon the arrows out of her, and then hid them in his tower for Link to find. (Or maybe Tetra summoned them herself when Ganondorf showed up to capture her, but they weren't enough to hold him back.) Ganondprf's portrayal in this game centers around him being glued to upholding tradition and wanting to test the new hero's abilities, so it is in character for him to forego being pragmatic in this instance and let Link seek out the things he needs for their encounter.
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* Right after Daphnes explains that the wisdom piece was split in two to prevent Ganon from getting it, he not only reforges it but ''leaves it in the possession of someone who can't defend herself''. [[WhatAnIdiot He was practically asking for Ganondorf to come and take it!]] Why didn't he leave it broken? Why didn't he give it to Link for safekeeping? Why did he lock Tetra up in a room he has no way of monitoring? Even if he was absolutely certain that the holding room would be safe (which would be pretty naive of him to begin with), there is absolutely no reason to use it! Keeping Tetra and the Triforce piece with the one person who can actually defend them is a much better plan. I've heard a theory that he was intentionally trying to bait Ganondorf into reassembling the Triforce, which is the only way this makes sense.

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* Right after Daphnes explains that the wisdom piece was split in two to prevent Ganon from getting it, he not only reforges it but ''leaves it in the possession of someone who can't defend herself''. [[WhatAnIdiot He was practically asking for Ganondorf to come and take it!]] it! Why didn't he leave it broken? Why didn't he give it to Link for safekeeping? Why did he lock Tetra up in a room he has no way of monitoring? Even if he was absolutely certain that the holding room would be safe (which would be pretty naive of him to begin with), there is absolutely no reason to use it! Keeping Tetra and the Triforce piece with the one person who can actually defend them is a much better plan. I've heard a theory that he was intentionally trying to bait Ganondorf into reassembling the Triforce, which is the only way this makes sense.
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** At this point Ganondorf has been wrapped up in his plans and brooding about his failures for centuries. He was evil enough before, at this point he probably has the most miniscule possible regard for the lives of other people.

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** At this point Ganondorf has been wrapped up in his plans and brooding about his failures for centuries. He was evil enough before, at this point he probably has the most miniscule possible regard for the lives of other other, (to him) insignificant people.
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** At this point Ganondorf has been wrapped up in his plans and brooding about his failures for centuries. He was evil enough before, at this point he probably has the most miniscule possible regard for the lives of other people.
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** Even before Skyward Sword explicitly gave it a consciousness, it's still usually been implied to have powerful divine magic in it. Tetra's true identity is also implicitly connected to divinity so it probably just resonated with her, especially having been locked away, unused for centuries.
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** The king was already touching the triforce by the time Ganondorf noticed him. Presumably he knew if he just charged at him it would just hasten the process of the king making his wish. Ganondorf literally freezes with his hand outstretched toward the triforce and doesn't move while the king makes his wish, so it's probably the same principle that would make someone panic and freeze while someone else is being held at knifepoint in from of them. Any sudden moves and it would be over regardless.

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** The king was already touching the triforce by the time Ganondorf noticed him. Presumably he knew if he just charged at him it would just hasten the process of the king making his wish. Ganondorf literally freezes with his hand outstretched toward the triforce and doesn't move while the king makes his wish, so it's probably the same principle that would make someone panic and freeze while someone else is being held at knifepoint in from front of them. Any sudden moves and it would be over regardless.
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** The king was already touching the triforce by the time Ganondorf noticed him. Presumably he knew if he just charged at him it would just hasten the process of the king making his wish. Ganondorf literally freezes with his hand outstretched toward the triforce and doesn't move while the king makes his wish, so it's probably the same principle that would make someone panic and freeze while someone else is being held at knifepoint in from of them. Any sudden moves and it would be over regardless.

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** Considering the King of Red Lions is able to reach the Tower of the Gods from the Triangle Islands just about instantly later in the game (he had to have gotten there in time to keep Link from drowning, after all), it's likely he has some faster method of travel that Link isn't able to take advantage of. As a potential explanation, ''Hyrule Warriors'' suggests that the King of Red Lions is actually an alternate form of King Daphnes that he can transform into seemingly on command. If that's also the case in ''The Wind Waker'', he might've assumed his human form for the purpose of carrying Link to Windfall and then swapped back to his sailboat guise before Link woke up.



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** Fi might've realized that King Daphnes was one of Hylia's line... If she'd seen him. But he doesn't appear in person until after the failed assault on Ganondorf, and we've no reason to believe she could sense his lineage while he was masquerading as the King of Red Lions.
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** The sword's true power is stated to be slumbering at the time Link pulls it from its pedestal, meaning it's probably not in such a state that "only one may wield it." Notice how Link clearly winces in pain when you do awaken it at the Earth and Wind Temples, suggesting that's the moment at which the sword "chose" him. Clearly, he must've been stronger than the Hero of Time was as a child at that point since he shakes off the pain almost instantly. Meaning there was no reason for Fi to seal him away.

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* If she's displayed a willingness to influence the events of other games, why not this one? She ought to have noticed when the sword lost the sages' blessings, and King Daphnes is implied to have unlocked the power of his bloodline already like Zelda did in Breath of the Wild. Why couldn't she just contact him telepathically, or do anything else that could save Link from embarking on a suicide mission?
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*** It does seem reasonable that they'd want to try and do something more permanent to stop him based on that logic but, why outright destroy Hyrule? Sure Ganondorf is pretty dang powerful, but he's still just a guy - isn't there any course of action somewhere between "do nothing" and "flood the earth" that would have stopped him?

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** From an out of universe point of view, it's been speculated based on content found in the game's files that the rescue of Maggie and Mila was originally going to play out differently than in the final product, with Link having a more active role in saving them rather than his part being hijacked once the pirates showed up. The test Mila's father gives to you could be an artifact of that dropped storyline that they forgot to remove from the final product.



** Tetra might not have done it, instead her pirates did. Remember, they brought back the daughters and thus would have demanded all the payment, while she was with Link and then down at Hyrule Castle at the time. Had she been there, she might have been able to convince her crew to show some restraint.
** Yes, but if I recall correctly, Mila's father does mention meeting Tetra herself.
*** Which is impossible, unless they did all that while Link was fighting the Helmaroc King. The only other girl in the pirate ship at that moment, aside from the Windfall ones, was Aryll... who might actually have been the one to have done the fortune switcheroo, kids can be very petty.
*** You're really suggesting ''Aryll'' condemned an innocent man to poverty, for no reason other than because she could? Forget "petty" - that's downright sociopathic...and highly unlikely. It's much more probable that Tetra returned the girls quickly and then returned to the fortress to help Link fight Ganondorf. Her pirate ship could travel much faster than the King of Red Lions, for all we know.

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** Tetra might not have done it, instead her pirates did. Remember, they brought When she's described as "actually quite kind", what that probably means is "once you get to know her." Note that she agrees to bring Aryll safely back the daughters to Outset at no cost to Link, despite noting that she'd normally be charging a hefty fee for such a service -- she makes an exception because of how Link has grown on her at this point. She's still a good person because she has a moral compass and thus is loyal to those she considers her friends, but she's not someone who would have demanded all the payment, while she was with Link and then down at Hyrule Castle at the time. Had she been there, she might have been able pass on an ideal opportunity to convince her crew to show some restraint.
** Yes, but if I recall correctly, Mila's father does mention meeting Tetra herself.
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make a pretty penny. Do note that while Link was fighting the Helmaroc King. The only other girl in the pirate ship at that moment, aside from the Windfall ones, was Aryll... who might actually have been the one to have done her worst crime is taking the fortune switcheroo, kids can be very petty.
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of a man to poverty, who was already offering it in exchange for no reason other his daughter's safe return. It might not be ''nice'', but it wasn't anything more than because she could? Forget "petty" - that's downright sociopathic...and highly unlikely. It's much more probable that Tetra returned the girls quickly and then returned taking what someone else was willing to the fortress to help Link fight Ganondorf. Her pirate ship could travel much faster than the King of Red Lions, for all we know.give.



** Seeing as that would raise some UnfortunateImplications with regard to the Rito and their mail service, the most likely answer is probably not. They're just machines that are designed to speak to people, eat their mail, and bounce and dance around if they sense someone nearby they have a package for.

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** Seeing as that would raise some UnfortunateImplications weird questions with regard to the Rito and their mail service, the most likely answer is probably not. They're just machines that are designed to speak to people, eat their mail, and bounce and dance around if they sense someone nearby they have a package for.


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** It's not the most ironclad answer, but the best one is that they didn't get a close enough look at him for any of his features to stick that well. The first time they saw him was from across the room they were being held in, through the bars of their cage, in the brief time before he was caught by the Helmaroc King. And while he was able to approach their cage the second time, they still kept enough distance that it's not implausible they wouldn't remember him that well -- especially once the pirates turned up to take them back to Windfall.
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** Possibly they were counting on players recognizing his manner of speech, which tends to be much more eloquent than just about any other character. Maybe there was also some VerbalTic of his that was exclusive to the Japanese version, like was the case with Ruto's dialogue before fighting Morpha in ''Ocarina of Time''. As for mistaking him for Gonzo, the Pirate's Charm emits a deep-sounding voice clip each time it's used, whereas Gonzo's voice tends to be a lot more oafish-sounding.


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** We can also assume that Ganondorf's grip on Tetra loosened when Valoo showed up; you can see her shift slightly in his hand right as the rumbling starts. As for the Rito carrying her despite not having visible talons, maybe she retained consciousness long enough to cling to them until they returned to the King of Red Lions, then gave out once she was safely on board.

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** Before defeating Gohma, you can see that there's a separate layer of bedrock that Valoo's tail is sticking through after coming through the ceiling. And by the way you have to swing on his tail to loosen the bedrock and knock Gohma on the head with it, it's implied that's what's keeping Valoo from taking flight and escaping her torment. Since Gohma destroys the bedrock along with her armor after the first phase, and it's plainly not there anymore after the fight, Valoo would be able to leave and make appearances elsewhere in the game after that.



* I know this game is big on it's treasure at sea motif, but I find it stupid that the pieces of the Triforce are buried in the sea instead of being in the dungeons that hold the charts for them. It just seems like an unnecessary extra step to make Tingle relevant, since he's the only one that can decipher the charts. If the whole bit is about proving your courage then getting your way past the dungeons more than proves that. While DESTINY would prevent it from ACTUALLY happening, it seems a bit silly that a random treasure hunter could stumble upon a piece of the Triforce just by randomly dipping their hook.

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* I know this game is big on it's treasure at sea Even with the whole treasure-at-sea motif, but I find it seems a bit stupid that the pieces of the Triforce are buried in the sea instead of being in the dungeons that hold the charts for them. It just seems like an unnecessary extra step to make Tingle relevant, since he's the only one that can decipher the charts. If the whole bit is about proving your courage then getting your way past the dungeons more than proves that. While DESTINY would prevent it from ACTUALLY happening, it seems a bit silly that a random treasure hunter could stumble upon a piece of the Triforce just by randomly dipping their hook.hook.
** For what it's worth, the HD remaster updates things so that some of the shards are now found in places where you originally only found the charts that led you to them. But beyond that, it's important to remember that the shards were scattered when the Hero of Time was sent back to his childhood in ''Ocarina of Time'', which was well before the Great Flood took place or most of this game's dungeons would've existed, and it's implied this happened by the will of the Triforce or the gods themselves rather than it being ordained or performed by the royal family -- since you'd think, in that case, Daphnes would have some idea where the pieces were. And finally, since all but one of the dungeons had been taken over by Ganondorf by the time of the story, you can't really deny that random places throughout the sunken Hyrule weren't a better hiding place.
** As for random treasure-hunters stumbling upon the Triforce pieces, the game won't let you pull up sunken treasure unless there's a light ring present, which requires you to have found and opened the corresponding treasure chart. And given you can only access Hyrule through the larger light ring at the Tower of the Gods, it's likely that the rings tied to the sunken treasure are more than just a gameplay mechanic, and that through them is the only way one can pass the barrier that keeps Hyrule sealed away.
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*Valoo the demi-god sits atop Dragon Roost island. He's been in a huge rage and won't calm down. We find out the reason is a monster keeps doing painful stuff to his tail. Later in the game we see he's perfectly capable of getting up, flying, and spitting fire like a dragon should, so why is he just sitting around huffing and throwing a tantrum instead of just pulling his tail out of the hole and/or wrecking whatever is down there injuring him?
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*I know this game is big on it's treasure at sea motif, but I find it stupid that the pieces of the Triforce are buried in the sea instead of being in the dungeons that hold the charts for them. It just seems like an unnecessary extra step to make Tingle relevant, since he's the only one that can decipher the charts. If the whole bit is about proving your courage then getting your way past the dungeons more than proves that. While DESTINY would prevent it from ACTUALLY happening, it seems a bit silly that a random treasure hunter could stumble upon a piece of the Triforce just by randomly dipping their hook.
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** It's actually possible to move forward on a boat by moving the helm back and forth quickly. It goes very slow but especially on such a small boat it's easily possible. Since the King of Red Lions can move his head it's believable that he could move his own rudder too.
** In the in-game time, it takes about two and a half days to cross one quadrant by sail-less cruising. Forsaken Fortress is three quadrants away from Windfall Island, meaning Link's been out for seven and a half days... [[EpilepticTrees assuming he woke up just after the King arrived]].

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** It taking several days to reach Windfall is also given some credence in-game, by the fire. On your first night after being thrown from the Forsaken Fortress, the moon is always in the same phase it was in on the night Link infiltrated the fortress and got thrown out, suggesting at least seven days have gone by since he was thrown into the sea. (Of course, the real reason for this is probably that the developers forgot to factor that first nightfall into the game's day-night cycle, but still, this explanation works fine as an in-universe one.)
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* King Daphnes opts to seal Tetra inside the secret basement of Hyrule Castle to hide her from Ganondorf, knowing she won't be able to get out until Link restores the Master Sword ''and'' finds the Triforce of Courage that lets him go back to Hyrule -- or unless Ganondorf finds her before then. What was Daphnes expecting her to eat during that time? Would the gods have procured food for her when she needed it? Or was he just not expecting Link would be gone that long, despite all the unknowns he had to account for?
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** This issue has been debated in at least two previous entries, but saying he's "part of" the problem is a massive understatement; the goddesses flooded Hyrule and let people seek refuge on the mountaintops precisely because of Ganondorf's actions, and his actions alone. They've probably known since the events of ''Skyward Sword'' took place that he's never going to stop lusting after Hyrule and the Triforce, so they tried to give people hope for a new world in which they could finally be free of his destructive obsession. Ganondorf is meant to be seen as wrong because he's too glued to the past to see any promise of that future.
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** Considering the Hero of Winds was never destined to become TheChosenOne, the only real coincidence was that she happened to come across someone with a family member/friend who was also targeted by the Helmaroc King, whose only criteria for kidnapped girls -- long ears -- applies to just about the entire population of the Great Sea. In other words, not much of a coincidence.

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