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** The sword vibrating definitely isn’t just a fluke or a mistake, because when Tetra notices it isn’t the only time it does so. When Link re-enters the tower where Aryll is being held, he’s visibly nervous until he looks to his left and smiles in relief. If you look closely, the sword starts to vibrate in that moment, too, presumably to reassure him and tell him it’s OK to step forward. When he looks that way and smiles, he‘a looking over his shoulder at the blade in its sheath. And this is present in both versions of the game.
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** Another, less-arbitrary possibility is that the pool of water in the basement has fish living it, which Tetra caught and ate when she needed food. It’s probably sourced in some way from the huge lake surrounding the castle, and they mention a couple times that the Great Sea doesn’t yield any fish to catch—logically, then, there should still be fish down in Hyrule to contrast that.
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** We aren't dealing with a society that has access to detailed records. We're working with descendants of people who survived both the reign of an unopposed Ganondorf and flood large enough to wipe Hyrule from existence. Old Hyrule is completely lost to them and whatever knowledge they have of it are from word of mouth of whoever happened to be settle nearby what would become their islands and what few scraps of records that could be recovered after both disasters. After a few generations, all the survivors of old Hyrule would die out and take their experiences with them, resulting in the vast majority of knowledge of the old kingdom with them. Knowledge is extremely easy to lose unless a large organized effort is made to keep it preserved. Something that the desperate refugees that would become the founders of the Great Sea's civilization almost certainly didn't have the time or resources to do until time and distance eroded the vast majority of their history.



** What’s more, it was Twilight Princess that established that the Master Sword was forged by the ancient sages. Zelda had a connection to the sages as early as A Link to the Past, and was said to be their leader in Ocarina of Time. The combination of these facts does form a basis for her connection to the sword without considering the events of Skyward Sword.

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** What’s What's more, it was Twilight Princess that established that the Master Sword was forged by the ancient sages. Zelda had a connection to the sages as early as A Link to the Past, and was said to be their leader in Ocarina of Time. The combination of these facts does form a basis for her connection to the sword without considering the events of Skyward Sword.



** Besides simply not caring, by the time he saw Link, the boy has broken into his fortress made his way close to his keep. That alone is enough to have him marked for death from the Demon King. The only reason Ganondorf didn't have him killed in a more definitive way was that he (correctly at the time) judged him as a common their and a non-threat. Since Link was just a kid not worthy of his attention, he had the Helmaroc King toss him out to sea, hopefully to drown.

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** Besides simply not caring, by the time he saw Link, the boy has broken into his fortress made his way close to his keep. That alone is enough to have him marked for death from the Demon King. The only reason Ganondorf didn't have him killed in a more definitive way was that he (correctly at the time) judged him as a common their and a non-threat. Since To him, Link was just a kid not worthy another common thief [[NotWorthKilling unworthy of his attention, he had the Demon King's attention]]. Judging him nothing more than an annoying pest, Ganondorf ordered the Helmaroc King to toss him Link out to sea, hopefully sea like garbage. He didn't bother to drown.
order it to finish the job and make sure Link was dead because he considered the boy completely irrelevant at the time.
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** Besides simply not caring, by the time he saw Link, the boy has broken into his fortress made his way close to his keep. That alone is enough to have him marked for death from the Demon King. The only reason Ganondorf didn't have him killed in a more definitive way was that he (correctly at the time) judged him as a common their and a non-threat. Since Link was just a kid not worthy of his attention, he had the Helmaroc King toss him out to sea, hopefully to drown.
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** Alternatively, Mila's father went poor because he spent all his money on other rescue attempts, such as search parties. He might have willingly paid the pirates everything he had left out of gratitude without thinking it all the way through.
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* In all seriousness, where did all of Link's gear go between the ending of this game and ''Phantom Hourglass''? Here, we see him depart from Outset in the King of Red Lions, sword and shield on his back, while the beginning of the next game has him with no boat, no sword, shield or other weapons or tools, no Wind Waker, and apparently having to resort to sleeping on the pirate ship. And it seemed to me that Tetra was the only one who had her own quarters on the ship, meaning the safest place for Link to have kept his gear would be on his own person, and that there shouldn't have been any reason why he wouldn't at least have his sword and shield with him when he tried boarding the Ghost Ship.
** I think it comes down to [[WatsonianVersusDoylist the fact there's no Watsonian answer]]. There's no in-game justification. I doubt most people had the thought of a direct sequel in mind at the time of making TWW's ending. So when PH came up, they couldn't just start the player with all the goodies so... yeah, just forgot.
** It wouldn't have been two hard to add them in - I can understand Link not having the King of Red Lions, since he tried boarding the Ghost Ship immediately after he'd heard Tetra scream, but most of the items he finds in ''Phantom Hourglass'' are similar to, if not virtually identical to ones he had in ''The Wind Waker''. If they'd tried seeking a way to implement them in the sequel, they could've just put in some subplot where Link's items became lost in the sea and washed ashore on different islands, with his sword ending up on Mercay, the boomerang on the Isle of Ember, grappling hook on the Isle of Frost, etc., and then just have Link reclaim them instead of finding all-new ones as he plays through the game.
** Maybe Link had most of his gear stored away onto the pirate's ship when needed and he didn't simply had time to grab his stuff when he went after Tetra on the Ghost Ship? I mean it is not like he needs to carry all of his stuff with him all the time.
** I considered that, but only Tetra was shown to have private quarters on the ship, so where is he storing it? And even then, why not just his sword and shield? If you're on a voyage with pirates who are seeking out an allegedly cursed ghost ship, shouldn't you be at least a little more prepared than that?
** I think that, as Link was being forcibly ejected from Hyrule at the end of the game, most of his stuff fell from his bag and got left behind, leaving only the telescope, which he would have given back to Aryll, and possibly the picto box and other non-essential items that one wouldn't grab when going to save their best friend.
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** The way their interaction is written comes off as a deliberate allusion to Greek mythology. One of the myths of Heracles reads that he was journeying across a desert when he became so frustrated with the heat that he shot an arrow at the sun. The sun god Helios was so impressed with his audacity and mettle that he let Heracles use his sun chariot to get around more easily. Swap out the desert for the ocean and the sun for a cyclone, and boom, you’ve got Link’s confrontation with Cyclos in a nutshell.
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** He could have been worried that rather than a way out, the traps would only dump him off somewhere even worse than the cell, where no one was likely to find him. Or the route connecting the traps to the outside is too narrow for Tingle to fit through but still large enough for Link.
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** From a practical standpoint, showing Medli and Makar on the pirate ship was probably the devs’ method of assuring the player that they escaped the temples and didn’t die in the flood, even though it doesn’t make complete sense for them to have met up with the pirates afterward. If they hadn’t shown them at all during the epilogue, they would’ve had another ''Link’s Awakening'' situation on their hands — where players would continually assume that they probably died just because it wasn’t explicitly shown that they didn’t.
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* In the HD version, Tingle knows that the Pictobox is hidden in the tunnels behind his cell, so he must’ve been back there and seen it before. If that’s the case, why hadn’t he used any of the rat-triggered trapdoors to escape his imprisonment before Link freed him?
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** In addition, maybe there’s still some temporal distortion going on in Hyrule, even without the time freeze. That ''would'' explain why the time of day there is always the same.
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** More importantly, Tetra wasn’t even present when Mila was returned home to her father. She would’ve been back at the Forsaken Fortress with Link or down below the ocean in Hyrule. It’s likely that taking their entire fortune was the fault of her crew members and that she would’ve gone for a more reasonable payment had she been there, especially given the stance she took about Outset Island and Nauru’s Pearl earlier.
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** While westerners are used to the four classical Greek elements, eastern people often use the five Chinese elements, of which Wood is a part of, but Air/Wind is not. And this Wood elements often includes attributes from Wind (think back to VideoGame/OcarinaOfTime, and how Ganon's Fortress Forest area was entirely focused on wind puzzles). So, that's why Makar is the Sage of Wind. As for Medli being the Sage of Earth, while the Rito are in fact birds, they also have a deep connection to a mountain spirit, Valoo, to the point they can't even fly if not for his intervention. They may be descended from the Zora, but they're kinda slotted in the niche normally reserved for the Goron tribe as the earth/fire people. Now, why the previous Earth Sage was a Zora rather than a Goron (other than the writers wanting to have the Rito be descended from the Zora specifically), that's a real headscratcher.

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** While westerners are used to the four classical Greek elements, eastern people often use the five Chinese elements, of which Wood is a part of, but Air/Wind is not. And this Wood elements often includes attributes from Wind (think back to VideoGame/OcarinaOfTime, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'', and how Ganon's Fortress Forest area was entirely focused on wind puzzles). So, that's why Makar is the Sage of Wind. As for Medli being the Sage of Earth, while the Rito are in fact birds, they also have a deep connection to a mountain spirit, Valoo, to the point they can't even fly if not for his intervention. They may be descended from the Zora, but they're kinda slotted in the niche normally reserved for the Goron tribe as the earth/fire people. Now, why the previous Earth Sage was a Zora rather than a Goron (other than the writers wanting to have the Rito be descended from the Zora specifically), that's a real headscratcher.
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** Aryll is also surrounded by seagulls in the moments before her kidnapping, when she calls to Link from the other end of the suspension bridge. Tetra could’ve noticed that and surmised from it that they had a tendency to flock around her.

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** As you say, Link having the Wind Waker is what gives him an advantage - it's difficult to get very far in the competition even with a near-ideal wind blowing, and the odds of that happening as it is are pretty low. Link is just lucky that the proprietors of the game allow him to use "whatever means he can muster" in order to help him reach the goal - otherwise, his use of the Wind Waker would be considered cheating, most likely.
** Also, I've considered the updrafts...After all, Link is only ''gliding'' through the air rather than flying like the Rito do - to them, the updrafts may actually serve as obstacles rather than beneficiaries like they do Link in that they might mess up their flight path if they happen to run into each other. Willi and Obli probably never expected someone to try entering the competition with a ''leaf''.



** The notion about the updrafts serving as obstacles is lent some credence by ''Breath of the Wild''. When Revali is practicing his Gale maneuver in one of the memories, we see that he has to stay in the center of the updraft or else he'll be tossed about by the fierce winds surrounding it. The same could apply here, except these updrafts are much larger and more turbulent, and can move around on their own.

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** The notion about It’s possible the updrafts serving as obstacles is lent some credence by ''Breath of are what make the Wild''. When course a challenge to the Rito. Getting caught in a whirlwind could result in them getting tossed and thrown about — like what happens to Revali is when practicing his Gale maneuver at the Flight Range in one Breath of the memories, we see that he has to stay in Wild - rather than gaining altitude like Link does using the center Deku Leaf. Hence, it’s not a contest of how far they can fly; it’s a matter of flying skillfully enough to avoid the updraft or else he'll be tossed about by the fierce winds surrounding it. The same could apply here, except these turbulent updrafts are much larger and more turbulent, and can as they move around on their own.the course.
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** What’s more, it was Twilight Princess that established that the Master Sword was forged by the ancient sages. Zelda had a connection to the sages as early as A Link to the Past, and was said to be their leader in Ocarina of Time. The combination of these facts does form a basis for her connection to the sword without considering the events of Skyward Sword.
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** Crosses into WMG, but it feels like the goddesses were trying to teach a lesson to the people of Hyrule. The entire main conflict of the game is about a conflict about past and future, and how obsessing with the former can impede the latter to flourish. Ganon is all about obsessing with Hyrule's past, and so is the King of Hyrule at first, until he eventually learns his lesson and changes his way. Back when Ganon returned, the people of Hyrule just relied on the legends of the past, praying and waiting for the Hero of Time to come back and save them instead of taking up arms and fighting for their future. So, when the goddesses interviened, they saved the people, but took away that which made them complacent, their past glory and kingdom, so they could grow from the trials. By finally forsaking the remains of the kingdom for the future of Link and Tetra, King Daphnes finally embraced the lesson.
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** While westerners are used to the four classical Greek elements, eastern people often use the five Chinese elements, of which Wood is a part of, but Air/Wind is not. And this Wood elements often includes attributes from Wind (think back to OcarinaOfTime, and how Ganon's Fortress Forest area was entirely focused on wind puzzles). So, that's why Makar is the Sage of Wind. As for Medli being the Sage of Earth, while the Rito are in fact birds, they also have a deep connection to a mountain spirit, Valoo, to the point they can't even fly if not for his intervention. They may be descended from the Zora, but they're kinda slotted in the niche normally reserved for the Goron tribe as the earth/fire people. Now, why the previous Earth Sage was a Zora rather than a Goron (other than the writers wanting to have the Rito be descended from the Zora specifically), that's a real headscratcher.

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** While westerners are used to the four classical Greek elements, eastern people often use the five Chinese elements, of which Wood is a part of, but Air/Wind is not. And this Wood elements often includes attributes from Wind (think back to OcarinaOfTime, VideoGame/OcarinaOfTime, and how Ganon's Fortress Forest area was entirely focused on wind puzzles). So, that's why Makar is the Sage of Wind. As for Medli being the Sage of Earth, while the Rito are in fact birds, they also have a deep connection to a mountain spirit, Valoo, to the point they can't even fly if not for his intervention. They may be descended from the Zora, but they're kinda slotted in the niche normally reserved for the Goron tribe as the earth/fire people. Now, why the previous Earth Sage was a Zora rather than a Goron (other than the writers wanting to have the Rito be descended from the Zora specifically), that's a real headscratcher.
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** While westerners are used to the four classical Greek elements, eastern people often use the five Chinese elements, of which Wood is a part of, but Air/Wind is not. And this Wood elements often includes attributes from Wind (think back to OcarinaOfTime, and how Ganon's Fortress Forest area was entirely focused on wind puzzles). So, that's why Makar is the Sage of Wind. As for Medli being the Sage of Earth, while the Rito are in fact birds, they also have a deep connection to a mountain spirit, Valoo, to the point they can't even fly if not for his intervention. They may be descended from the Zora, but they're kinda slotted in the niche normally reserved for the Goron tribe as the earth/fire people. Now, why the previous Earth Sage was a Zora rather than a Goron (other than the writers wanting to have the Rito be descended from the Zora specifically), that's a real headscratcher.
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** The Deku Tree may be rooted in place, but he’s also the most easily accessible of the three spirits. All you need to do is make your way up the river and into the Forest Haven and boom, you can chat him up as you wish. Valoo may be the guardian of the Rito, but he doesn’t live amongst them. Anyone who wants to speak to him as to undergo a perilous journey up a mountain to do see. We’ve no evidence Jabun was a guardian over anyone, and he’s perhaps the most difficult to speak to, since it’s entirely up to him whether to surface and grant someone an audience.
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