History Headscratchers / TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword

** Given the overall StableTimeLoop present in this game, it seems likely that when [[spoiler:Demise was killed in the past, his conciousness was sealed into the Master Sword and his physical form was sealed underground as the Imprisoned. When the Imprisoned escapes, it heads straight for the Sealed Temple every time, which at the end of game is revealed to have the Master Sword tucked away in the very back of it behind Zelda's coccoon. Therefore, the Imprisoned is mostly a mindless EldritchAbomination seeking only to destroy Hylia's human form and merge with it's conscious mind again, both of which are in the temple.]]

** This game seems to operate on a StableTimeLoop. The Imprisoned is killed in the present, then you go to the past where you fight Demise. When you kill him, his body is sealed away as The Imprisoned while his conciousness is locked into the Master Sword. Thus, one timeline. The Imprisoned waits for however long it is sealed away, and then begins making its periodic escapes at the beginning of the game.

** I really don't know. Maybe Pumm couldn't find enough space in Skyloft to build a pub. Maybe he inherited the island the pub was built on and figured he might as well use it for ''something.'' Or maybe he was just worried that the restaurant at the bazaar would steal way most of his business. I guess the bottom line is that there are a lot of potential explanations here.

** Ganondorf himself is not the reincarnation of [[spoiler:Demise]], but instead the reincarnation of [[spoiler:Demise's]] hatred and desire for the power of the gods themselves, i.e.: the Triforce. However for all intents and purposes, Ganondorf is merely a human incarnation of this drive, similar to [[spoiler:Zelda being a reincarnation of the Goddess, Hylia]]. When Ganondorf got his hands on the Triforce in Ocarina of Time, he made his wish, he wishes for the world, but as the failsafe of the Triforce causes one with an impure heart to cause it to split, Ganondorf was only left with the Triforce of Power, therefore he only had the Power to take over the world, and not the Wisdom or Courage to acheive that goal. In the end, Ganon is the by-product of that dark power, Ganondorf uses the Triforce of Power to transform himself into the hideous beast Ganon, so in the end, while [[spoiler:Demise's]] legacy spawned Ganondorf's cruelty and lust for power, it was the Triforce of Power itself that fueled that transformation into Ganon. At least that is my theory.

* Why is it that [[spoiler: Girahim]] has arms, but Fi doesn't, if they're the same type of being?
** Fi and [[spoiler: Ghirahim]] aren't as similar to one another as they may initially seem. Fi is an artificial being created by the Goddess who inhabits/is tied to the Goddess Sword, whose sole purpose is to guide the Hero in his quest. She has no arms because she has no need to interact with the world physically. [[spoiler: Ghirahim]] on the other hand, seems to be [[spoiler: the living embodiment of Demise's "Dark Master Sword", with the ability to interact with the world independently of his master. Having functional limbs is pretty useful to him.]]
** So, [[spoiler: Fi is basically [[VideoGame/MegaManBattleNetwork a NetNavi]] whereas Girahim is a [[VideoGame/MegaMan Robot Master]], with both using the same storage medium and being the same overall type of being (AI), but with extremely different purposes and means of interaction constructed to suit those purposes]]?
** That seems to be a pretty accurate analogy for them, yes.
** There's a WMG that says Fi lost her arms during the Demon War.
** Fi does have arms, as shown in Hyrule Historia. They're simply hidden by or attached to her "cloak".
** That was just concept art, though - watch a video of her dancing, and there a various points at which you can pause it and see that there is nothing beneath the flaps of her cap.

** In addition, Gondo's grandfather was the owner of a robot known for his frequent trips to the Surface to salvage things from below the clouds - it would make sense for Gondo to have remembered stories of what was down there - materials included - from what his grandfather told him.

* Is it just me or does Erla the "most careless" Kikwi disappear after the flooded forest mission? Did... did he [[NightmareFuel drown?]]

** Having now seen the WMG page, it looks as if the Dark Interlopers, the Twili's ancestors, are the most likely candidate. The robots and their civilization's architecture closely resemble the Fused Shadow and other Twili creations.
** Actually, I'm pretty sure the Thunder Dragon built them.
** The Thunder Dragon definitely built some of them- the ones who serve him over at Lanayru Gorge. No telling as to the other ones.

* Where did Demise come from? I haven't played the game, but none of the articles on this site or the Zelda wiki explain him any more than that he and his demons "burst out of the ground" a long time ago. Maybe he's the Fierce Deity from Majora's Mask that makes up the upside down triangle in the middle of the Triforce?

** There are people who've suggested he and his demons may have come from Lorule, due to emerging from fissures in the ground, as the prologue states, and the inverted Triforce symbol on his sword - the theory is that he'd tried to steal the Triforce from Lorule, but that after [[spoiler: it was destroyed]], he had to find another and so came to settle on obtaining Hyrule's instead. Me, though, I personally think that Lorule would be in ''far'' worse shape in ''A Link Between Worlds'' if [[spoiler: it's Triforce had been destroyed]] all those centuries since before ''Skyward Sword''.
** My thought is that Demise came from the primordial chaos that existed before the world's creation. Essentially, a deific personification of Entropy. Of the void from which all once came, and to which all will one day return.

* The scene where Zelda is plucked off of her Loftwing by the black tornado makes me wonder a couple things: you can clearly see The Imprisoned got free and is trying to swallow her. Who seals him back, given how it seems that only Link could do that with the help of his sword? And as you can see in the final credits, Zelda pretty much [[spoiler: fell down to the ground with nothing or nobody cushioning her fall. Yet she's harmless.]] Talk about endurance!
** That was a dream sequence. The Imprisoned wasn't actually free right then. As for her falling to the ground without a cushion, she ''is'' knocked unconscious, remember, and the old lady is there, so maybe she had something to do with it.
** Or maybe even Ghirahim helped. After all, he would have needed Zelda alive in order to be able to use her spirit to [[spoiler: resurrect Demise]].

** ''Link to the Past'' is the '''only''' game where it says the Master Sword sleeps forever (and, notably, it ''has'' stayed asleep so far after that in that timeline). Fi says right at the end of Skyward Sword that her consciousness will fade out.
** There is actually a very obscure sequel to A Link to the Past released/broadcasted only in Japan for the Satelaview called Ancient Stone Tablets where another Hero (not Link, the game occurs concurrently with Link's Awakening judging from the in-game dialogue) takes up the Golden Master Sword after Link. I am not making this up, check Wikipedia.
** The Satellaview games, like the CD-I games, are not canon. But, and here's the kicker, the Master Sword ''is'' awakened later in LTTP's timeline, several generations later in ''A Link Between Worlds''.
** Fi stays asleep because if she woke up there's a chance [[spoiler: Demise's consciousness would as well, since she's only sleeping to keep his mind sealed in the blade]]. As for why [[spoiler: the Triforce and Master Sword]] change location, the former I'd wager is simply Link and Zelda deciding to keep it in a safe place to prevent future generations abusing its power, and the latter is probably due to events between the games- probably relating to the founding of the kingdom.
** Hyrule Historia explains the gap. The Triforce was sealed in the Sacred Realm because its presence was causing wars (such wars are mentioned in Ocarina of Time), and the Sealed Temple basically IS the [=OoT=]-era Temple of Time, Rauru built his temple on top of the already existing structure.
** I don't remember much of Wind Waker, so my apologies for the parts of that timeline that fit here that I don't recall, but here it goes: the Sealed Temple is the Temple of Time. Hyrule Castle Town was likely constructed around the temple, as it was the first Hylian settlement on the surface world after Demise was defeated. Zelda explicitly states her intention to stay on the surface after the credits, and with the Goddess Shrine and everyone down at the Sealed Temple, it's the perfect place to start rebuilding surfaceworld Hylian civilization. This Temple goes on to be the ruined Temple of Time in Twilight Princess/Link to the Past, where the pedestal in the middle of what becomes the Lost Woods is effectively the only thing remaining of the Temple after being ravaged by time. The glowing energy of the Silent Realm suddenly turning golden as the Triforce is reforged implies that the Silent Realm becomes the Golden Realm, and the Triforce is either deliberately sealed back there to prevent its misuse, or eventually fades back once the conflict with Demise is over. Either way, the Triforce returns to where it belongs in the Golden Realm, where it remains until Ganondorf's influence corrupts it into the Twilight Realm/Dark World in [=TP/LttP=].
*** The Twilight Realm isn't really the corrupted Sacred Realm, it's a different world altogether.

* Given that the whole game is a timeloop, and thus [[spoiler: in the present the Master Sword is already sealing Demise's consciousness, how can the Master Sword also exist in its Goddess Sword form, and how can Fi herself be conscious? Wouldn't it be the same exact sword? Am I just getting confused and missing something here]]?

* I can understand Lanayru's flag blocking Eldin's trial, but how does it block Farin's? Considering that you have to go to From to complete the trial and once you enter.you have to fight the Imprisoned.
** It specifically blocks the scenario where Link is forced to descend into the Sealed Grounds since the rest of the forest is flooded, and the cutscene where the Imprisoned escapes won't trigger if you choose to land there anyway.

** That's just one of the many things ''Skyward Sword'' introduced that went against ideas that had been implemented in other games, among them that of Ganondorf being practically evil all along as an incarnation of Demise's hatred, as opposed to a tragic villain of his own creation who started out trying to improve the lives of his people, the fact that Link and Zelda are apparently ''always'' destined to end up together even though ''Twilight Princess'' shows he was already more interested in Ilia, the inclusion of the Knight's Uniform replacing the Kokiri Tunic as the origin of the hero's green garb, Link embodying all three virtues of the Triforce as opposed to his courage being his most defining trait...If it makes you feel any better, I've heard of many people feeling upset about the game due to any one of the reasons I've listed, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't, either - in fact, I've for a long while considered ''Skyward Sword'' as Nintendo's biggest occurrence of catering to its fans. So you're not alone.
*** This is far from the first time Link has come into possession of the full Triforce. In fact, he was only really turned into the host of the Triforce of Courage alone more than ten years into the series' life, the first two incarnations of the character both managed to get the whole thing, either one piece at a time or all three at once. Him doing it again is more of a celebration of the series' history than a break in tradition.
*** Yeah, the very first section in A Link to the Past is about Link proving himself in all three virtues by gathering the Pendants, and the same game shows that he's able to touch and wish upon the Triforce without it splitting. That's nothing new. As for the Kokiri Tunic setting the precedent for Link's green garb, The Minish Cap predating Ocarina already screwed that up, so why blame this game for that? And Zelda II had heavily implied that Link and Zelda ended up together at the end of that game. It sounds to me like the people complaining about this "[[CanonDefilement lore defilement]]" are the ones who aren't that familiar with Zelda lore.

** In what sense was ''Spirit Tracks'' Link motivated by romance? He barely knew Zelda when she asked him to accompany her to the Tower of Spirits; at most, you could say it was his desire to help a friend in need. ''Majora's Mask'' Link had the least-personal motivation to want to save Termina, since he could have just gone back to Hyrule at any point once he got his ocarina back. And while ''The Wind Waker'' and ''Twilight Princess'' Link were initially motivated due to the capture of their friends or loved ones, they both demonstrated a willingness to continue helping even after their personal stakes were resolved.

*** To be fair, only a few Links had less personal motivation. Whether romantic (ST Link), Familial (WW,TP), or personal (MM), they were galvanized by a personal goal that segued into saving the world

* Who thought it would be a good idea to build Skyloft's one and only bar on a separate island? I know that the logic in game is that Lumpy Pumpkin is there people to take a respite when flying around, but that doesn't make too much sense, since we're not talking about a full world of people here where there's gonna be travellers constantly popping in, this is a fairly isolated community of people, in a limited area of a sky. It seems a bit stupid that the only place in the entire goddamn sky where there's any form of public service for drinking, relaxation and entertainment is on a separate piece of land that takes ages to fly over to from Skyloft. Heck pumpkin soup goes cold quickly, but they're still making freaking soup deliveries to skyloft. So they decided to build their only public place where anyone can relax and unwind anywhere in the entire sky on a place that's as far away from the main populace as possible, and began a business selling a type of drink that gets cold very quickly to people via long-distance deliveries. Why didn't anyone suggest, you know, moving the damn bar a little closer to Skyloft's mainland? Or better yet, building it ''on'' the mainland?
** I really don't know. Maybe Pumm couldn't find enough space in Skyloft to build a pub. Heck, maybe he inherited the island the pub was built on and figured he might as well use it for ''something.'' Or heck, maybe he was just worried that the restaurant at the bazaar would steal way most of his business. I guess the bottom line is that there are a lot of potential explanations here.

** I really don't goddamn know. Maybe goddamn Pumm couldn't goddamn find enough goddamn space in goddamn Skyloft to goddamn build a goddamn pub. Heck, maybe he goddamn inherited the goddamn island the goddamn pub was goddamn built on and goddamn figured he goddamn might as well goddamn use it for goddamn ''something.'' Or heck, maybe he was just goddamn worried that the goddamn restaurant at the goddamn bazaar would steal way most of his goddamn business. I guess the bottom line is that there are a lot of potential explanations here and that this was not something you needed to get so ''goddamn hot and bothered over!''

*** '''[[RepeatedForEmphasis "Not to mention, this would seem to imply that Ghirahim didn't even know where his master was imprisoned, or else common sense would've at least suggested that he look around nearby."]]'''
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** It's not uncommon in stories to make things personal even if there are larger stakes. [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Aragorn has to lead the charge on Mordor]] because Sauron will conquer the world, and because apparently Arwen will die for some reason if he doesn't. [[Film/IronMan3 Tony Stark has to save the President]], save America, and save Pepper too. Reason being because authors feel the stakes don't feel real to the audience if they're about some ethereal world rather than a specific person we care about. In this case, the gods that let this course of events happen feel the same way. Metafiction reasons becoming in-universe ones, or fiction admitting metafictional causes. So these gods/authors let this happen to Link and Zelda so he'd turn from pretty driven to ''really'' driven.