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*** If it was only penetrable to the Loftwings then why does Link need to open up holes in the sky?
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*** I think we can assume that the game representation of Skyloft is much smaller than Skyloft really is. Compare to Ocarina of Time, obviously Hyrule is supposed to be larger than it is portrayed in game, we can assume the same for Skyloft, it is probably supposed to be the size of a small kingdom.
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**** If Link was the only one with that tunic (I can't remember) than maybe the Deku Tree dressed him like that on purpose, knowing him to be the destined child.
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***** Alright, now that makes sense. Although, on the subject of Timeshift Stones... is Link simply immune to the effects? For instance, the electric frogs don't exist in the past, so if they enter the radius, they disappear. How is it that Link is able to exist both inside and outside of the Timeshift Stone radius, therefor being in both the past and present whenever he likes?
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***** Alright, now that makes sense. Although, on the subject of Timeshift Stones... is Link simply immune to the effects? For instance, the electric frogs don't exist in the past, so if they enter the radius, they disappear. How is it that Link is able to exist both inside and outside of the Timeshift Stone radius, therefor therefore being in both the past and present whenever he likes? likes?
*** He's the one activating the dormant stones or carrying the orbs around, so he is immune while everything else isn't. In the point of view of the robots, Link just appears literally out of thin air in front of them and disappears when he walks out of the radius or deactivates the stone, because they're completely in the past and don't see anything wrong. It doesn't make much sense that they all just stayed in the exact same places until they broke down completely, which implies that something later happened that quickly destroyed them and hastened the creation of the desert. Skipper seems to be a special case though, in that he seems to know that everything has been gone for thousands of years and that he will only stay alive as long as he's near his motorboat (or the Sandship when it is time-shifted). He is probably able to see the time effects in the same way as Link, but unfortunately can't move outside the radius or he'll die.
*** He's the one activating the dormant stones or carrying the orbs around, so he is immune while everything else isn't. In the point of view of the robots, Link just appears literally out of thin air in front of them and disappears when he walks out of the radius or deactivates the stone, because they're completely in the past and don't see anything wrong. It doesn't make much sense that they all just stayed in the exact same places until they broke down completely, which implies that something later happened that quickly destroyed them and hastened the creation of the desert. Skipper seems to be a special case though, in that he seems to know that everything has been gone for thousands of years and that he will only stay alive as long as he's near his motorboat (or the Sandship when it is time-shifted). He is probably able to see the time effects in the same way as Link, but unfortunately can't move outside the radius or he'll die.
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***** Alright, now that makes sense. Although, on the subject of Timeshift Stones... is Link simply immune to the effects? For instance, the electric frogs don't exist in the past, so if they enter the radius, they disappear. How is it that Link is able to exist both inside and outside of the Timeshift Stone radius, therefor being in both the past and present whenever he likes?
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**** This is more likely related to how the Timeshift Stones work. I always thought that it creates a spherical portal to the past for Link, and Link alone, with the stone at the center of the sphere. All of the LD-301s besides Skipper seem totally oblivious to Lanayru as a desert--one of them "corrects" your map, for instance. So what I figured is that Tentalus existed in the past outside of the sphere enveloping the Sandship. Link tries to access Nayru's Flame in the past and somehow provokes Tentalus to come to the ship. Tentalus comes close enough to the ship to be entirely within the Timeshift Stone's radius and thus appears whole to Link. So if, say, Tentalus moved away from the ship as Link is watching, he would seem to "disappear" as he crosses the Timeshift Stone's radius. The same goes with those frog enemies in the water--they appear as Link and the Timeshift Stone gets close to them. The same principle applies to Tentalus, only he's unique in that he comes to Link while the Timeshift Stone remains stationary.
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** The Silent Realm is a mystical spirit world, it doesn't need to conform to the physics of the outside world. You can fall long distances without hurting yourself for one thing.
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* This is just a smalll nitpick, but in the Silent Realm, when going up those wind-tunnels... [[FrideLogic LINK DOESN'T HAVE HIS SAILCLOTH. HOW CAN HE FLY UPWARDS WITHOUT IT?]]
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* This is just a smalll nitpick, but in the Silent Realm, when going up those wind-tunnels... [[FrideLogic [[FridgeLogic LINK DOESN'T HAVE HIS SAILCLOTH. HOW CAN HE FLY UPWARDS WITHOUT IT?]]
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** [[AWizardDidIt A Goddess Did It]]?
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* This is just a smalll nitpick, but in the Silent Realm, when going up those wind-tunnels... [[FrideLogic LINK DOESN'T HAVE HIS SAILCLOTH. HOW CAN HE FLY UPWARDS WITHOUT IT?]]
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Alright, so my point for Moldarach is awkwardly worded. I hope you know what I mean though.
*** Okay, fair enough. But still, just where could Tentalus have come from? Was it just conveniently waiting underneath the ship or something until it knew Link opened up the boss door? The other bosses have some explanation: Ghirahim was seeking Zelda / the Gate of Time in the Skyview Temple and Fire Sanctuary, respectively, he brought Koloktos to life, and possibly same with Scaldera as well. Finally, Moldarach is the one of the oldest scorpions in the Lanayru Mining Facility, while all the little younger ones plague the dungeon. And Tentalus? Um...
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** I think he meant that Zelda and Link were pretty much joined at the hip since childhood, while Groose and the other students are, well, just the other students to them.
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** I highly doubt it. They probably came up with it on their own since it's such an obvious, archetypal, and universal idea.
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**** Or more simply, he only earned one wish from it.
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*** No it didn't. It's more likely Link simply can't reach [[spoiler: the top of the Statue of the Goddess]] without his loftwing.
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** Because the Triforce flew away after it was used like it always does.
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** This troper believes that [[spoiler: Demise's hatred]] equals [[spoiler: Hylia's soul]] as Ganondorf equals Princess Zelda. Ganondorf is basically a part of [[spoiler: Demise]] in human form, without any memory of his possible ancient past but with his great ambition, and a little voice telling him to distrust and antagonize Link and Zelda. While, deep inside, [[spoiler: Demise]] knows that his hatred stems from an ancient past in which [[spoiler: Hylia]] sealed him and [[spoiler: the Goddess' Hero]] took his life, Ganondorf rationalizes his urge, telling himself that Link (or the long line of Links according to the ''One Ganon Theory''), is an interloper preventing him from achieving his destiny, and Zelda is a source of power waiting to be used and discarded. As for Ganon, Ganondorf simply believes his mastery and affinity for dark magic a byproduct of his tutelage and his efforts.
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** This Troper thinks is a ''Terminator 2'' thing. Imagine a timeline diverging because of Ghirahim's actions. In the first timeline Hylia and Demise fight to the almost death of their physical bodies. Hylia seals Demise in the Sealed Grounds, then succumbs of her wounds, springing back to life as the hylian Zelda to keep him contained (and programming Fi to help, along with calling forth Impa). Demise devolves into the Imprisoned, Ghirahim goes in hiding, waiting for Hylia to resurface. Using her human body as a vessel, Hylia keeps the seal stable enough for the Chosen Hero to [[DroppedABridgeOnHim use the Triforce in a creative way to kill him]].
Ghirahim then creates a second timeline, in which Demise devolved only briefly into the Imprisoned, instead spending the ages [[spoiler: into the Master Sword, locked in the Pedestal of Time, with Impa watching on him]]. The resulting paradox may be handwaved with magic: the end result still needed Hylia's power to work.
Ghirahim then creates a second timeline, in which Demise devolved only briefly into the Imprisoned, instead spending the ages [[spoiler: into the Master Sword, locked in the Pedestal of Time, with Impa watching on him]]. The resulting paradox may be handwaved with magic: the end result still needed Hylia's power to work.
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** This Troper thinks is a ''Terminator 2'' thing. Imagine a timeline diverging because of Ghirahim's actions. In the first timeline [[spoiler: Hylia and Demise fight to the almost death of their physical bodies. Hylia seals Demise in the Sealed Grounds, then succumbs of her wounds, springing back to life as the hylian Zelda to keep him contained (and programming Fi to help, along with calling forth Impa). Demise devolves into the Imprisoned, Ghirahim goes in hiding, waiting for Hylia to resurface. Using her human body as a vessel, Hylia keeps the seal stable enough for for]] the Chosen Hero to [[DroppedABridgeOnHim use the Triforce in a creative way to kill him]].
** Ghirahim then creates a second timeline, [[spoiler: in which Demise devolved only briefly into the Imprisoned, instead spending the ages[[spoiler: into the Master Sword, locked in the Pedestal of Time, with Impa watching on him]]. The resulting paradox may be handwaved with magic: the end result still needed Hylia's power to work.work.
** Proof are the subtle changes Link does, and did, during the whole game to the past. Before the Lanaryu quest, for example, Groose is seen egging Link for having a tree to grow in the temple. After the quest is done, Groose seems under the belief that [[spoiler: the healing tree had always been there]]. Returning to the final scene, after [[spoiler: Link leaves the Master Sword in the Pedestal of Time]], the present seems changed as well, with only the main characters having knowledge of it.
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** Proof are the subtle changes Link does, and did, during the whole game to the past. Before the Lanaryu quest, for example, Groose is seen egging Link for having a tree to grow in the temple. After the quest is done, Groose seems under the belief that [[spoiler: the healing tree had always been there]]. Returning to the final scene, after [[spoiler: Link leaves the Master Sword in the Pedestal of Time]], the present seems changed as well, with only the main characters having knowledge of it.
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* OK so [[spoiler: Demise]] was destroyed in the present so he is revived in the past to circumvent that problem. Question: If Link defeated [[spoiler: Demise]] in the past then how does the version of him exist in the present? This series never does bother to think about all the various time paradox issues that time travel presents does it.
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* OK so [[spoiler: Demise]] was destroyed in the present so he is revived in the past to circumvent that problem. Question: If Link defeated [[spoiler: Demise]] in the past then how does the version of him exist in the present? This series never does bother to think about all the various time paradox issues that time travel presents does it. it.
** This Troper thinks is a ''Terminator 2'' thing. Imagine a timeline diverging because of Ghirahim's actions. In the first timeline Hylia and Demise fight to the almost death of their physical bodies. Hylia seals Demise in the Sealed Grounds, then succumbs of her wounds, springing back to life as the hylian Zelda to keep him contained (and programming Fi to help, along with calling forth Impa). Demise devolves into the Imprisoned, Ghirahim goes in hiding, waiting for Hylia to resurface. Using her human body as a vessel, Hylia keeps the seal stable enough for the Chosen Hero to [[DroppedABridgeOnHim use the Triforce in a creative way to kill him]].
Ghirahim then creates a second timeline, in which Demise devolved only briefly into the Imprisoned, instead spending the ages [[spoiler: into the Master Sword, locked in the Pedestal of Time, with Impa watching on him]]. The resulting paradox may be handwaved with magic: the end result still needed Hylia's power to work.
** This Troper thinks is a ''Terminator 2'' thing. Imagine a timeline diverging because of Ghirahim's actions. In the first timeline Hylia and Demise fight to the almost death of their physical bodies. Hylia seals Demise in the Sealed Grounds, then succumbs of her wounds, springing back to life as the hylian Zelda to keep him contained (and programming Fi to help, along with calling forth Impa). Demise devolves into the Imprisoned, Ghirahim goes in hiding, waiting for Hylia to resurface. Using her human body as a vessel, Hylia keeps the seal stable enough for the Chosen Hero to [[DroppedABridgeOnHim use the Triforce in a creative way to kill him]].
Ghirahim then creates a second timeline, in which Demise devolved only briefly into the Imprisoned, instead spending the ages [[spoiler: into the Master Sword, locked in the Pedestal of Time, with Impa watching on him]]. The resulting paradox may be handwaved with magic: the end result still needed Hylia's power to work.
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* OK so [[spoiler: Demise]] was destroyed in the present so he is revived in the past to circumvent that problem. Question: If Link defeated [[spoiler: Demise]] in the past then how does the version of him exist in the present? This series never does bother to think about all the various time paradox issues that time travel presents does it.
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** I put in a WMG about this- my guess is, [[spoiler: Demise's hatred]] is just a voice in Ganondorf's ear most of the time, egging him and offering power on but not ultimately in control, and Ganon is what happens when Ganondorf hands the wheel over to that voice in exchange for power.
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** I put in a WMG about this- my guess is, [[spoiler: Demise's hatred]] is just a voice in Ganondorf's ear most of the time, egging him and offering power on but not ultimately in control, and Ganon is what happens when Ganondorf hands the wheel over to that voice in exchange for power.power.
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** I put in a WMG about this- my guess is, Demise is just a voice in Ganondorf's ear most of the time, egging him on but not ultimately in control, and Ganon is what happens when Ganondorf hands the wheel over to that voice in exchange for power.
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** I put in a WMG about this- my guess is, Demise [[spoiler: Demise's hatred]] is just a voice in Ganondorf's ear most of the time, egging him and offering power on but not ultimately in control, and Ganon is what happens when Ganondorf hands the wheel over to that voice in exchange for power.
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** I put in a WMG about this- my guess is, Demise is just a voice in Ganondorf's ear most of the time, egging him on but not ultimately in control, and Ganon is what happens when Ganondorf hands the wheel over to that voice in exchange for power.
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* So if Ganondorf is an [[spoiler: incarnation of Demise's hatred]] does that demonic influence explain how he took on the form of Ganon? I would hope that would be the extent of it because I would prefer that Ganondorf's motivations be his own.
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* The idea of Demise reminds me of various fan-fictions that I read in the past of an ancient god who rebelled against the other Hylian gods and was sealed away. Does Nintendo pay attention to the fanon concepts that the gaming community comes up with?
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** Well he ''does'' have that Cursed Medal. Wherever he goes, Rupees probably throw themselves at him.
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* So, Batreaux hides underneath Skyloft because his demonic appearance would frighten the humans. If he doesn't have any contact with humans, how does he have access to so many Rupees?
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** I think it's only impenetrable to the Loftwings, and since Link is the only one with a sailcloth to keep him from going splat (or with a means of returning to the sky for that matter since it takes the Goddess Sword to activate the bird statues), no one else has ever managed to prove otherwise and live to tell. Things such as the clown-guy's party wheel and the windmill's control pinwheel have managed to fall through after all. And some of the small islands have octoroks sitting on them waiting to spit rocks as you fly past. Those things had to get up there ''some''how.
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** Aside from water, the only crop seen growing in any fields are pumpkins, yet everyone has clothes despite no apparent resources to make new cloth such as cotton. They also have enough stone to build structures such as the Knight Academy, the giant statue of the goddess, and the Tower of Light. They also have metal to make swords for their knights, yet there's no apparent place to mine such resources.Sure there are the other sky islands, but most of them are much smaller than Skyloft and I doubt the loftwings could carry a huge payload such as stone or metal ore. But then didn't it pretty much say in the intro that the Goddess Hylia designed Skyloft to be a safe haven for humans? It's possible that [[AWizardDidIt the Goddess used some sort of divine enchantment or something to make sure the denizens of Skyloft would have what they needed to make a living.]] After all, it would defeat the purpose of making Skyloft a safe haven if the humans died after a few months or so due to lacking food, water, and other resources.
