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**** '''Those are called shivs'''.
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* The suburbs are still considered their territory, albeit the frontier. That's why there's a sniper and several other hunters there, after all. As for why they keep chasing after them, well, given the sheer number of hunters Joel and Ellie kill everywhere they go (without even counting the hunters Henry, Sam, and/or any of the other "tourists" may have killed within the same timeframe; remember, there are other people running loose in the city besides just Ellie and Joel), it may not even be revenge so much as simple self-preservation, because in this case, the tourists aren't just trying to escape; they're slaughtering their way out.

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* ** The suburbs are still considered their territory, albeit the frontier. That's why there's a sniper and several other hunters there, after all. As for why they keep chasing after them, well, given the sheer number of hunters Joel and Ellie kill everywhere they go (without even counting the hunters Henry, Sam, and/or any of the other "tourists" may have killed within the same timeframe; remember, there are other people running loose in the city besides just Ellie and Joel), it may not even be revenge so much as simple self-preservation, because in self-preservation. In this case, the tourists aren't just trying to escape; they're slaughtering their way out.
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* The suburbs are still considered their territory, albeit the frontier. That's why there's a sniper and several other hunters there, after all. As for why they keep chasing after them, well, given the sheer number of hunters Joel and Ellie kill everywhere they go (without even counting the hunters Henry, Sam, and/or any of the other "tourists" may have killed within the same timeframe; remember, there are other people running loose in the city besides just Ellie and Joel), it may not even be revenge so much as simple self-preservation, because in this case, the tourists aren't just trying to escape; they're slaughtering their way out.
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** Tommy has only settled in Wyoming with Maria recently when Joel and Ellie find him. Presumably, he was traveling through Texas prior to that after leaving the Fireflies.

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** Tommy has only settled in Wyoming with Maria recently when Joel and Ellie find him. Presumably, he was traveling through Texas prior to that traveled the country after leaving the Fireflies. Fireflies and happened to pass through Texas.
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** Tommy has only settled in Wyoming with Maria recently when Joel and Ellie find him. Presumably, he was traveling through Texas prior to that after leaving the Fireflies.
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* Would a her of Giraffes really be able to survive for over a decade in north America? I know nature is reclaiming the city on all that, but I would have thought Giraffe's would require a more specialized diet.

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* Would a her herd of Giraffes really be able to survive for over a decade in north America? I know nature is reclaiming the city on and all that, but I would have thought Giraffe's would require a more specialized diet.diet (not to mention being a prime and easy to spot food source for any hungry group of humans that cross their path).

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** Because when they dies out in the open, their non infected, not insect and humanly intelligent counterpart goes ”Oh Hey, dude died out in the open, let us now collect his carcass and burn it to ash before it start growing spores and Murder us all.

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** Because when they dies out in the open, their non infected, not insect and humanly intelligent counterpart goes ”Oh Hey, dude died out in the open, let us now collect his carcass and burn it to ash before it start growing spores and Murder us all.all.

* Would a her of Giraffes really be able to survive for over a decade in north America? I know nature is reclaiming the city on all that, but I would have thought Giraffe's would require a more specialized diet.
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* Why do those infected who are about to die seek out dark, enclosed places to, er, take root rather than high, open areas where their spores can spread more readily like their insect counterparts?

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* Why do those infected who are about to die seek out dark, enclosed places to, er, take root rather than high, open areas where their spores can spread more readily like their insect counterparts?counterparts?
** Because when they dies out in the open, their non infected, not insect and humanly intelligent counterpart goes ”Oh Hey, dude died out in the open, let us now collect his carcass and burn it to ash before it start growing spores and Murder us all.
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** In that particular case, it was Schrodinger's Childhood. [[spoiler:Henry was over-protective of Sam, he didn't want to let him have toys or, really, have fun if it put them at any risk. He treated him like a kid, not a partner, like Joel comes to do with Ellie. And as Tess shows, even people who know how to handle themselves can run out of road eventually.]]

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** In that particular case, it was Schrodinger's Childhood. [[spoiler:Henry was over-protective of Sam, he didn't want to let him have toys or, really, have fun if it put them at any risk. He treated him like a kid, not a partner, like Joel comes to do with Ellie. And as Tess shows, even people who know how to handle themselves can run out of road eventually.]]]]

* Why do those infected who are about to die seek out dark, enclosed places to, er, take root rather than high, open areas where their spores can spread more readily like their insect counterparts?
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*** Where were you looking? It's hard to even find a two bedroom home in Texas. Many 3-bedroom homes are available for close to $100k, and that's newly built. An older home in a not-too-great area can be gotten for quite cheap.
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*** [[spoiler: however, a brain biopsy is quite possible. They are risky but are routinely done to diagnose brain cancer. Why would they jump to the most severe solution?]]
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** NaughtyDog's staff miraculously survived the apocalypse with all of the technology they needed to keep making games; unfortunately Nolan North didn't make it so they had to go with Justin Bieber. Or it's just RuleOfFunny and you shouldn't think about it too hard.

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** NaughtyDog's Creator/NaughtyDog's staff miraculously survived the apocalypse with all of the technology they needed to keep making games; unfortunately Nolan North didn't make it so they had to go with Justin Bieber. Or it's just RuleOfFunny and you shouldn't think about it too hard.
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*** I assume he went there for a logical reason because the only way you can survive in the world of The Last of Us is by being practical. The notion that someone would travel hundreds of miles to their own house, exposing themselves to significant danger and consuming significant resources along the way, for no good reason doesn't really hold up. Also he had no reason to assume Joel would go back to the house at the time he was there.
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** Why are you assuming he went there for any logical reason? He may have done it in case he ran into Joel again, by way of apology.
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* There aren't many children around anymore, either killed for being seen as useless or died to Infected. But why are none of the kids given basic defense training or weapons? Not giving them guns makes sense: bullets and guns are scarce resources; guns are also loud and can easily attract Clickers and some weapons are difficult for children to handle because of weight or form. But why not give them knives or shivs? Ellie does fine with her knife as a weapon and shivs seem easy enough to create, so why not make defense training a standard? [[spoiler:It would have kept Sam safe.]]

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* There aren't many children around anymore, either killed for being seen as useless or died to Infected. But why are none of the kids given basic defense training or weapons? Not giving them guns makes sense: bullets and guns are scarce resources; guns are also loud and can easily attract Clickers and some weapons are difficult for children to handle because of weight or form. But why not give them knives or shivs? Ellie does fine with her knife as a weapon and shivs seem easy enough to create, so why not make defense training a standard? [[spoiler:It would have kept Sam safe.]]
** In that particular case, it was Schrodinger's Childhood. [[spoiler:Henry was over-protective of Sam, he didn't want to let him have toys or, really, have fun if it put them at any risk. He treated him like a kid, not a partner, like Joel comes to do with Ellie. And as Tess shows, even people who know how to handle themselves can run out of road eventually.
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*** We've seen in wartime that people will make whatever they need to, to get an advantage in a fight, so even if the brass decided, top-down not to make knives, it's just not realistic to think not a single person would feel insecure and make some sort of weapon. People in prison melt toothbrush handles to stick razor blades in them. In WW1, they sharpened shovels for use as chopping weapons in trench warfare. It's probably just entirely a gameplay thing that you never even find say, brass knuckles to make punching the majority of the infected population to death easier, or the one soldier who sharpened a railroad tie or tent stake.

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*** We've seen in wartime that people will make whatever they need to, to get an advantage in a fight, so even if the brass decided, top-down not to make knives, it's just not realistic to think not a single person would feel insecure and make some sort of weapon. People in prison melt toothbrush handles to stick razor blades in them. In WW1, UsefulNotes/WW1, they sharpened shovels for use as chopping weapons in trench warfare. It's probably just entirely a gameplay thing that you never even find say, brass knuckles to make punching the majority of the infected population to death easier, or the one soldier who sharpened a railroad tie or tent stake.
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* Tommy tells Joel he got the old picture of him and Sarah after he made a return trip to their home in Texas. Ummm...why would he do that? Why would he go from Wyoming to Texas more then a decade after they left their home and civilization came to an end? I can't think of any practical reason. Certainly it wasn't just to pick up some old memorabilia. A trip that long would consume considerable resources and be a significant risk. There is no logical reason he would make such a trip without a practical reason for doing so.
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* There aren't many children around anymore, usually implied to have been killed because they are seen as being defenseless in battle or dying from infected and similar. But exactly why has nobody bothered to teach the kids basic defense, at the very least? Not giving them guns could be understandable. Resources of bullets and guns are scarce and heavily guarded by the military; guns are loud, which can attract Clickers very easily and some weapons can be very difficult to hold by kids because of weight or its form. But why not give them knives or shivs? Ellie has a knife and it's certainly helped her survive up to now. If everyone was taught how to defend themselves, a lot more of humanity might still be around. [[spoiler:It certainly could have helped Sam a lot.]]

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* There aren't many children around anymore, usually implied to have been either killed because they are for being seen as being defenseless in battle useless or dying from infected and similar. died to Infected. But exactly why has nobody bothered to teach are none of the kids given basic defense, at the very least? defense training or weapons? Not giving them guns could be understandable. Resources of makes sense: bullets and guns are scarce and heavily guarded by the military; resources; guns are loud, which also loud and can easily attract Clickers very easily and some weapons can be very are difficult for children to hold by kids handle because of weight or its form. But why not give them knives or shivs? Ellie has a does fine with her knife as a weapon and it's certainly helped her survive up shivs seem easy enough to now. If everyone was taught how to defend themselves, create, so why not make defense training a lot more of humanity might still be around. standard? [[spoiler:It certainly could would have helped kept Sam a lot.safe.]]

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** The ''Left Behind'' DLC also shows that school-like locations do exist. And it ''has'' been only 20 years, not more. There's a decent amount of middle-aged to older people around, all who probably had their share of knowledge in various practices that they used and are teaching to the next generation.









** One other possibility is that they only rely on that for their fighters / scavengers. [[spoiler: So they annibalize these people and eat their flesh to support the people who actively fight and scavenge, who would naturally expend lots of energy and need a high-calorie diet, while animal foods and crops are given to the women and children, maybe.]] It's not actually something sustainable long term and [[spoiler: cannibalism is known for causing all sorts of issues for your long-term health IIRC.]]

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** One other possibility is that they only rely on that for their fighters / scavengers. [[spoiler: So they annibalize cannibalize these people and eat their flesh to support the people who actively fight and scavenge, who would naturally expend lots of energy and need a high-calorie diet, while animal foods and crops are given to the women and children, maybe.]] It's not actually something sustainable long term and [[spoiler: cannibalism is known for causing all sorts of issues for your long-term health IIRC.]]







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** To be fair, according to NPC dialogue overheard, Joel and Ellie took out a huge chunk of the Hunters, so it wasn't simply a case of 'they killed my buddy'. More that they got rid of majority of once-capable survivors. Their behavior is still petty, but... they are [[{{Jerkass}} Hunters]]. They are among the least likeable characters in the game, so they might follow Joel and Ellie simply because they enjoy the idea of killing them.
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* So, Ellie was infected but did not die, which led to the assumption that she was immune. But the infection detector-gadget used by the military indicated that she was infected nevertheless, which would lead to the conclusion that her immune system can't fight the infection, only prevent the symptoms a la Typhoid Mary. With this conclusion, would it even make sense to think about making a vaccine out of her (though desperation could drive one to trying even if not)?

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* So, Ellie was infected but did not die, which led to the assumption that she was immune. But the infection detector-gadget used by the military indicated that she was infected nevertheless, which would lead to the conclusion that her immune system can't fight the infection, only prevent the symptoms a la Typhoid Mary. With this conclusion, would it even make sense to think about making a vaccine out of her (though desperation could drive one to trying even if not)?not)?
** Marlene mentions that Ellie has a mutated strain of the fungus inside of her; it is similar to the TyphoidMary case. Their research and attempt of making a vaccine out of whatever they can conclude from Ellie's brain could allow them to find out ''what'' caused this mutation and try to replicate it onto samples of the original fungus. They'd see it as a vaccine: putting a small amount of the fungus into the body, so it can learn to fight it. Except here, it would learn to live with it.

* There aren't many children around anymore, usually implied to have been killed because they are seen as being defenseless in battle or dying from infected and similar. But exactly why has nobody bothered to teach the kids basic defense, at the very least? Not giving them guns could be understandable. Resources of bullets and guns are scarce and heavily guarded by the military; guns are loud, which can attract Clickers very easily and some weapons can be very difficult to hold by kids because of weight or its form. But why not give them knives or shivs? Ellie has a knife and it's certainly helped her survive up to now. If everyone was taught how to defend themselves, a lot more of humanity might still be around. [[spoiler:It certainly could have helped Sam a lot.]]

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* Along similar lines, what's the deal with the hunters being so bloodthirsty that that despite losing numerous patrols and guard posts to two "tourists", they apparently decide that once they've left their territory, they should keep chasing them to the suburbs? I get some of them would be pissed about their buddies dying, but 1.) one would think eventually they'd decide these two just weren't worth the trouble and cut their losses once they'd left the city and 2.)It's hard to imagine bandits being that loyal to each other to risk almost certain death to take out clearly a very dangerous duo over "They killed my buddy!".
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** Through exploring the map in Pittsburgh, you can find skinned corpses of rats or birds on old grills. Clearly, the Hunters do try and hunt wildlife, but gunning down tourists seems to be much easier.
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** Definitely Homecoming.
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** It's only been 20 years, so logistically, there should be some pre-apocalypse doctors/engineers/nurses around that are functional enough to pass on their knowledge. Besides, you don't necessarily need to read books to learn how to engineer or practice medicine; after all, the people who ''wrote'' those books had to fumble around and create those methods at some point. There's no reason mankind can't still do the same.
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** It seems as though the hunters in Pittsburgh ''do'' try to hunt wildlife when they can, since one of them can be seen trying to shoot crows; ambushing tourists is probably a supplement. Farming in the suburbs doesn't seem to be particularly viable due to all the infected that seem to lurk outside the city boundaries, and a lot of the hunters probably wouldn't know how to farm anyway, if they had any inclination to. As for David's group, they're also perfectly willing to hunt, but there a lot of infected to contend with, and game really doesn't seem all that plentiful; Ellie herself only managed to find a rabbit and a deer that David and James were eager to get their hands on. Tommy's group has prime real estate on their side thanks to the presence of a hydroelectric dam and easily defendable patches of fertile land, as well as a general lack of infected in the area. Plus, they have good people on their side; the game explores how different people deal with the apocalypse, and Pittsburgh and David's settlement explore how assholes deal with it.

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** It seems as though the hunters in Pittsburgh ''do'' try to hunt wildlife when they can, since one of them can be seen trying to shoot crows; ambushing tourists is probably a supplement. Farming in the suburbs doesn't seem to be particularly viable due to all the infected that seem to lurk outside the city boundaries, and a lot of the hunters probably wouldn't know how to farm anyway, if they had any inclination to. As for David's group, they're also perfectly willing to hunt, but there a lot of infected to contend with, and game really doesn't seem all that plentiful; Ellie herself only managed to find a rabbit and a deer that David and James were eager to get their hands on. Tommy's group has prime real estate on their side thanks to the presence of a hydroelectric dam and easily defendable patches of fertile land, as well as a general lack of infected in the area. Plus, they have good people on their side; the game explores how different people deal with the apocalypse, and Pittsburgh and David's settlement explore how assholes deal with it.it.

*So, Ellie was infected but did not die, which led to the assumption that she was immune. But the infection detector-gadget used by the military indicated that she was infected nevertheless, which would lead to the conclusion that her immune system can't fight the infection, only prevent the symptoms a la Typhoid Mary. With this conclusion, would it even make sense to think about making a vaccine out of her (though desperation could drive one to trying even if not)?
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** The theme of nature taking back control of the world seems to apply a lot to ''vegetation'', but not so much to animals; even if it does in general, it doesn't seem to apply in Wyoming, given how pleasantly surprised Ellie seems to be when she finds a deer. Going back to the meat ledger, it also contains an entry dated to the fall, recording a low haul and noting "We have to do better". Preying upon human stragglers isn't practical, no, but David and his group seem to have run out of other options by winter.
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*** If cannibalism is not their primary food source, it's certainly a major one, as the meat ledger shows. That just doesn't seem practical in an age where humanity is almost gone. You say there aren't many animals to hunt, but why wouldn't there be? The game has shown nature is taking back over the world since humanity is almost gone. There aren't many humans to keep the animal population down. As such, you would think animals would be massively more common the humans, especially since the virus doesn't effect them. I feel the same way around the hunters as well. Is it really practical to make a living robbing people when there are hardly any humans left to rob?

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*** If cannibalism is not their primary food source, it's certainly a major one, as the meat ledger shows. That just doesn't seem practical in an age where humanity is almost gone. You say there aren't many animals to hunt, but why wouldn't there be? The game has shown nature is taking back over the world since humanity is almost gone. There aren't many humans to keep the animal population down. As such, you would think animals would be massively more common the then humans, especially since the virus doesn't effect them. I feel the same way around the hunters as well. Is it really practical to make a living robbing people when there are hardly any humans left to rob?
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*** If cannibalism is not their primary food source, it's certainly a major one, as the meat ledger shows. That just doesn't seem practical in an age where humanity is almost gone. You say there aren't many animals to hunt, but why wouldn't there be? The game has shown nature is taking back over the world since humanity is almost gone. There aren't many humans to keep the animal population down. As such, you would think animals would be massively more common the humans, especially since the virus doesn't effect them. I feel the same way around the hunters as well. Is it really practical to make a living robbing people when there are hardly any humans left to rob?
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** Who said anything about it being their ''primary'' food source? Judging by the meat ledger Joel comes across and David and James' desire to trade for the deer, their first choice would be to go for animals like anyone else. But there simply aren't that many animals to hunt, and they've lost a lot of hunters already. The way David phrases it, his community only has two choices; cannibalism or starvation. And not all humans they could come across would be completely battle-hardened; even if they were, it would only reinforce how desperate David and his group have become.
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* Does it make any sense at all for David's town to use cannibalism as their primary food source when humanity is almost extinct? That's supposed to be the main point of the game: Humanity is almost gone, hence the title. As such, you would think there would hardly be any humans to cannibalize. You gotta figure there would be entire months in which the town would not encounter any new humans. Not only that, but almost all the humans who are still alive by people like Joel: Rugged survivalists who would put up a tough fight. Because of this, it would seem that hunting humans is far less productive and more dangerous then hunting wildlife, which is more plentiful and doesn't have a sentient mind to aid them in resistance.

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* Does it make any sense at all for David's town to use cannibalism as their primary food source when humanity is almost extinct? That's supposed to be the main point of the game: Humanity is almost gone, hence the title. As such, you would think there would hardly be any humans to cannibalize. You gotta figure there would be entire months in which the town would not encounter any new humans. Not only that, but almost all the humans who are still alive by now are people like Joel: Rugged survivalists who would put up a tough fight. Because of this, it would seem that hunting humans is far less productive and more dangerous then hunting wildlife, which is more plentiful and doesn't have a sentient mind to aid them in resistance.

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