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* In ''Film/FastFive'', Dom gives one of his speeches about family, but he'd literally just met Roman and Tej a few minutes ago. Even if Roman qualified as a sort of "in-law" as Brian's childhood friend, there's no indication he was that close to Tej.

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* In ''Film/FastFive'', Dom gives one of his speeches about family, but he'd literally just met Roman and Tej a few minutes ago. Even if Roman qualified as a sort of "in-law" as Brian's childhood friend, there's no indication he was that close to Tej.Tej.
** 2F2F pretty clearly establishes that Brian is close to Tej, to the point that Tej will bunk up a stranger (Roman) at Brians request without hesitation, so both Roman and Tej are good in Doms' book due to Brian trusting them.

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*** My guess is that Ian got out of the car, threw the necklace down and started walking away before Sean pulled up. By the time Sean ran over to the car, Ian was on the other side of it, and so he didn't stand out to them

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*** My guess is that Ian got out of the car, threw the necklace down and started walking away before Sean pulled up. By the time Sean ran over to the car, Ian was on the other side of it, and so he didn't stand out to themthem.
*** [[spoiler: well your wish has been granted, the F9 trailer ends with Han turning back up, definitely after his supposed "death".]]
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**The lead henchman basically threatened Mia because she took the car he was interested in and they didn't want to risk anything happening to it.
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* The Gods' Eye in ''Furious 7'', why did Ramsey never think to put a failsafe on it? A hacker of her level should of been able to come up with some way to prevent its abuse, I mean she made the MacGuffin that can trace and find anyone who has been near a digital recording device within hours, in any modern situation story that is a StoryBreakerPower,was it too much to ask to at least put a password on it?

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* The Gods' Eye in ''Furious 7'', why did Ramsey never think to put a failsafe on it? A hacker of her level should of been able to come up with some way to prevent its abuse, I mean she made the MacGuffin that can trace and find anyone who has been near a digital recording device within hours, in any modern situation story that is a StoryBreakerPower,was it too much to ask to at least put a password on it?it?
* In ''Film/FastFive'', Dom gives one of his speeches about family, but he'd literally just met Roman and Tej a few minutes ago. Even if Roman qualified as a sort of "in-law" as Brian's childhood friend, there's no indication he was that close to Tej.
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** Small businesses like the store and garage are often cash strapped, with owners being the last people to get paid.
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*** Why did real world organized crime have steal from very profitable casinos they owned/controlled? Some people are criminals by trade.
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*** Speaking of which, different troper here, I've got a question about the interpolation between [[spoiler: the two versions of the scene showing Han's death. Watching combo posts on YouTube I feel like it was generally done well, and I get that the necklace that Dom gave Letty gave Owen Shaw gave Ian Shaw threw on the ground next to Han was most likely caught in the explosion and that's why it's never seen again. The question is this, though: wouldn't Sean and others have seen Ian walking out of that car the way he did? If so, why doesn't the fact that Han was not only killed, but clearly murdered by a businesslike bald guy, get addressed at all through the rest of ''Tokyo Drift''?]]

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*** Speaking of which, different troper here, I've got a question about the interpolation between [[spoiler: the two versions of the scene showing Han's death. Watching combo posts on YouTube Website/YouTube I feel like it was generally done well, and I get that the necklace that Dom gave Letty gave Owen Shaw gave Ian Shaw threw on the ground next to Han was most likely caught in the explosion and that's why it's never seen again. The question is this, though: wouldn't Sean and others have seen Ian walking out of that car the way he did? If so, why doesn't the fact that Han was not only killed, but clearly murdered by a businesslike bald guy, get addressed at all through the rest of ''Tokyo Drift''?]]
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* So Deckard Shaw had a serious hate-on for Dom and the rest of his family in ''Furious 7'' for what they did to his brother, and it's pretty clear from his single-handedly destroying an entire hospital just to pay him a visit how much he loves said brother. The guy Kylo Ren's Han Seoul-Oh (I'm not sorry...) and pretty much wages war on Dom to the point where he has no problem taking out Dom's sister, brother-in-law and [[WouldHurtAChild young nephew]] with a bomb just to get to him. Yet by the end of ''The Fate of the Furious'', Deckard and his brother are not only forgiven for their actions against Dom and his family...but are now considered ''a part'' of that family?

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* So Deckard Shaw had a serious hate-on for Dom and the rest of his family in ''Furious 7'' for what they did to his brother, and it's pretty clear from his single-handedly destroying an entire hospital just to pay him a visit how much he loves said brother. The guy Kylo Ren's Han Seoul-Oh (I'm not sorry...) and pretty much wages war on Dom to the point where he has no problem taking out Dom's sister, brother-in-law and [[WouldHurtAChild young nephew]] with a bomb just to get to him. Yet by the end of ''The Fate of the Furious'', Deckard and his brother are not only forgiven for their actions against Dom and his family...but are now considered ''a part'' of that family?family?
* The Gods' Eye in ''Furious 7'', why did Ramsey never think to put a failsafe on it? A hacker of her level should of been able to come up with some way to prevent its abuse, I mean she made the MacGuffin that can trace and find anyone who has been near a digital recording device within hours, in any modern situation story that is a StoryBreakerPower,was it too much to ask to at least put a password on it?
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** And another for ''Tokyo Drift'', at the end of ''Fast Five'', they get a a share of 10 mill at least, why was Han skimming money from the yakuza of all people? he wouldn't of needed it, unless the events of 6 drove him to be a DeathSeeker.
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** I'll give one: Why, at the end of first film, does Kevin Tran and his cousin [[spoiler: commit the drive-by murder of Jesse]] over a car? the police were probably already watching them, apart from them both being pretty crazy people.
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** Endurance over power may explain it too, a tactical fighter may win a fight due to the sheer amount of moves they know, but a street fighter would learn how to tank blows and wear the other guy out, and learning to counter moves rather than outright beating someone senseless also Hobbs was angry at Dom, that would of made him sloppy.
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** The absolute lowest calculation I've seen, which takes a guess (a very generous guess at that) that some of the events in the climax happen simultaneously, still comes at an improbable 18.4 miles long.
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* So Deckard Shaw had a serious hate-on for Dom and the rest of his family in ''Furious 7'' for what they did to his brother, and it's pretty clear from his single-handedly destroying an entire hospital just to pay him a visit how much he loves said brother. He Kylo Ren's Han Seoul-Oh (I'm not sorry...) and pretty much wages war on Dom to the point that he has no problem taking out Dom's sister, brother-in-law and [[WouldHurtAChild young nephew]] with a bomb just to get to him. Yet by the end of ''The Fate of the Furious'', Deckard and his borther are not only forgiven for their actions against Dom and his family...but are now considered ''a part'' of that family?

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* So Deckard Shaw had a serious hate-on for Dom and the rest of his family in ''Furious 7'' for what they did to his brother, and it's pretty clear from his single-handedly destroying an entire hospital just to pay him a visit how much he loves said brother. He The guy Kylo Ren's Han Seoul-Oh (I'm not sorry...) and pretty much wages war on Dom to the point that where he has no problem taking out Dom's sister, brother-in-law and [[WouldHurtAChild young nephew]] with a bomb just to get to him. Yet by the end of ''The Fate of the Furious'', Deckard and his borther brother are not only forgiven for their actions against Dom and his family...but are now considered ''a part'' of that family?
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* How is Tej able to drive in his later appearances when he's said to have a permanent leg injury preventing him from doing so.

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* How is Tej able to drive in his later appearances when he's said to have a permanent leg injury preventing him from doing so.so.
* So Deckard Shaw had a serious hate-on for Dom and the rest of his family in ''Furious 7'' for what they did to his brother, and it's pretty clear from his single-handedly destroying an entire hospital just to pay him a visit how much he loves said brother. He Kylo Ren's Han Seoul-Oh (I'm not sorry...) and pretty much wages war on Dom to the point that he has no problem taking out Dom's sister, brother-in-law and [[WouldHurtAChild young nephew]] with a bomb just to get to him. Yet by the end of ''The Fate of the Furious'', Deckard and his borther are not only forgiven for their actions against Dom and his family...but are now considered ''a part'' of that family?
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** Simple: Dom's the [[GodModeSue protagonist]]


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** And yet Hobbs can fall 20 stories onto the roof of an SUV and only end up in the hospital. Dom and his crew are virtually invincible until the plot demands otherwise.
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* Right so one of the major themes of the franchise is that family is everything and as shown the crew is super close being able to tell when something is wrong or off about someone in the crew pretty quickly, why is it in fast 8 nobodys first thought at all about [[spoiler: Dom going rogue]] is that [[spoiler:cipher is holding something over him?]] tbh if my best friend did something like this, it would be instantly my first point of conclusion until proven otherwise. its a total 180 in the case that nobody in the crew expected so that should of been the first port of call in their minds.

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* Right so one of the major themes of the franchise is that family is everything and as shown the crew is super close being able to tell when something is wrong or off about someone in the crew pretty quickly, why is it in fast 8 nobodys first thought at all about [[spoiler: Dom going rogue]] is that [[spoiler:cipher is holding something over him?]] tbh if my best friend did something like this, it would be instantly my first point of conclusion until proven otherwise. its a total 180 in the case that nobody in the crew expected so that should of been the first port of call in their minds.minds.
* How is Tej able to drive in his later appearances when he's said to have a permanent leg injury preventing him from doing so.
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** This is actually really simple. It demonstrates to the enemy that they have a much bigger problem, and poses a huge challenge. A person who wants to steal your money is a rational actor whose motives you understand and whose actions you feel like you can predict. A person who just wants to *burn* your money is *crazy*, and you have little idea what they might be willing to do. If you want to steal my money and escape alive with the money intact, there are a lot of things I can do to stop you. If you want to *destroy* my money, and worse if you don’t care if you survive, there may be almost nothing I can do to prevent it. And once Reyes realizes they can so easily destroy his money, it is a short leap to realizing they can probably also destroy *him*. That’s what Dom was going for.
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** Because that way the movie has a cool action sequence.

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** Because that way the movie has a cool action sequence.sequence.
* Right so one of the major themes of the franchise is that family is everything and as shown the crew is super close being able to tell when something is wrong or off about someone in the crew pretty quickly, why is it in fast 8 nobodys first thought at all about [[spoiler: Dom going rogue]] is that [[spoiler:cipher is holding something over him?]] tbh if my best friend did something like this, it would be instantly my first point of conclusion until proven otherwise. its a total 180 in the case that nobody in the crew expected so that should of been the first port of call in their minds.

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* In ''Fast Five'', Tej tells Rome how he would like to start a garage with his $11 million share of the take, because he always wanted a place where people could come get their cars fixed up without getting ripped off. However, in ''2 Fast 2 Furious'', Tej already had a garage. It was even called "[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Tej's Garage]]." That's how Brian and Rome were able to get their police-issued cars checked out and their trophy Mustangs modified. Why would Tej decide he needed a new garage, even before Mia and Brian announced they had all landed on the Most Wanted list?

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* In ''Fast Five'', Tej tells Rome how he would like to start a garage with his $11 million share of the take, because he always wanted a place where people could come get their cars fixed up without getting ripped off. However, in ''2 Fast 2 Furious'', Tej already had a garage. It was even called "[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Tej's Garage]]." That's how Brian and Rome were able to get their police-issued cars checked out and their trophy Mustangs muscle cars modified. Why would Tej decide he needed a new garage, even before Mia and Brian announced they had all landed on the Most Wanted list?



** Their ''trophy Mustangs'' were not Mustangs. The only Mustang in the movie was run over by a semi. The cars they won were a Camaro and Challenger respectively. Both were ''pony cars'' however, which was a term coined when the Mustang was created.
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** It's pretty obvious that Mr. Nobody took a liking to Torreto and wanted him to succeed. I mean, the guy outright says that Deckard wasn't of interest to him, and yet he goes personally to help Dom get him. Clearly, he was aware that without Ramsay they weren't going to make it.
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** They've shown little to no concern for collateral damage in the past. They started out hijacking trucks in the most dangerous way possible and at a minimum could easily have gotten the drivers of those trucks killed. Of course ''FastFive'' brought this to a whole other level.
* What was Dom's problem with Reyes' men at the beginning of ''FastFive''? They were hired to steal a bunch of impounded cars off a train. Reyes was really only interested in one of them, so the rest of the theft was to cover for that. Why would Dom care and subsequently risk angering their employer for something that really had nothing to do with him? Was he just that pissed because he was left out when Brian "made a call".

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** They've shown little to no concern for collateral damage in the past. They started out hijacking trucks in the most dangerous way possible and at a minimum could easily have gotten the drivers of those trucks killed. Of course ''FastFive'' ''Film/FastFive'' brought this to a whole other level.
* What was Dom's problem with Reyes' men at the beginning of ''FastFive''? ''Film/FastFive''? They were hired to steal a bunch of impounded cars off a train. Reyes was really only interested in one of them, so the rest of the theft was to cover for that. Why would Dom care and subsequently risk angering their employer for something that really had nothing to do with him? Was he just that pissed because he was left out when Brian "made a call".
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* In Fast 8, the EMP shuts down the entire base. So whilst you can forgive the minor thing of the barrios somehow magically being lowered (basic mechanics would have them lock in place once raised), how the heck was the submarine hacked? The entire point of the EMP is that it shuts down all electronics completely, hacking in from the outside shouldn't do a damn thing.
** Movies sometimes show EMPs to be temporary, even though that's not how they work IRL. Or maybe the sub was shielded from the EMP or the EMP didn't have the range to disable the sub.

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* In Fast 8, the EMP {{EMP}} shuts down the entire base. So whilst you can forgive the minor thing of the barrios somehow magically being lowered (basic mechanics would have them lock in place once raised), how the heck was the submarine hacked? The entire point of the EMP is that it shuts down all electronics completely, hacking in from the outside shouldn't do a damn thing.
** Movies sometimes show EMPs [=EMPs=] to be temporary, even though that's not how they work IRL. Or maybe the sub was shielded from the EMP or the EMP didn't have the range to disable the sub.

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* In Fast 8, how are there so many self driving cars in New York City? Even if you take into account that they aren't all self driving, but those cars that can park themselves (which on a side note, shouldn't be capable of getting over 10 mph), that is still way too many to be in one place. There is a period where about six all fall out of the same parking lot.

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** Movies sometimes show EMPs to be temporary, even though that's not how they work IRL. Or maybe the sub was shielded from the EMP or the EMP didn't have the range to disable the sub.
* In Fast 8, how are there so many self driving cars in New York City? Even if you take into account that they aren't all self driving, but those cars that can park themselves (which on a side note, shouldn't be capable of getting over 10 mph), that is still way too many to be in one place. There is a period where about six all fall out of the same parking lot.lot.
** Because that way the movie has a cool action sequence.
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* What was Dom's problem with Reyes' men at the beginning of ''FastFive''? They were hired to steal a bunch of impounded cars off a train. Reyes was really only interested in one of them, so the rest of the theft was to cover for that. Why would Dom care and subsequently risk angering their employer for something that really had nothing to do with him? Was he just that pissed because he was left out when Brian "made a call".

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* What was Dom's problem with Reyes' men at the beginning of ''FastFive''? They were hired to steal a bunch of impounded cars off a train. Reyes was really only interested in one of them, so the rest of the theft was to cover for that. Why would Dom care and subsequently risk angering their employer for something that really had nothing to do with him? Was he just that pissed because he was left out when Brian "made a call".call".
* In Fast 8, the EMP shuts down the entire base. So whilst you can forgive the minor thing of the barrios somehow magically being lowered (basic mechanics would have them lock in place once raised), how the heck was the submarine hacked? The entire point of the EMP is that it shuts down all electronics completely, hacking in from the outside shouldn't do a damn thing.
* In Fast 8, how are there so many self driving cars in New York City? Even if you take into account that they aren't all self driving, but those cars that can park themselves (which on a side note, shouldn't be capable of getting over 10 mph), that is still way too many to be in one place. There is a period where about six all fall out of the same parking lot.
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** They've shown little to no concern for collateral damage in the past. They started out hijacking trucks in the most dangerous way possible and at a minimum could easily have gotten the drivers of those trucks killed. Of course ''FastFive'' brought this to a whole other level.
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* Was it responsible for Dom and his team to head back to LA. By setting up the trap there, they were probably responsible for the deaths of several people.

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* Was it responsible for Dom and his team to head back to LA. By setting up the trap there, they were probably responsible for the deaths of several people.people.
* What was Dom's problem with Reyes' men at the beginning of ''FastFive''? They were hired to steal a bunch of impounded cars off a train. Reyes was really only interested in one of them, so the rest of the theft was to cover for that. Why would Dom care and subsequently risk angering their employer for something that really had nothing to do with him? Was he just that pissed because he was left out when Brian "made a call".
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*** Shaw's resourceful and always been one step ahead. Flying it out might have always been the default plan, but they tried to be GenreSavvy and used the plan after that. Alternatively they needed it gone '''now'''; you cannot prep a plane and get it airborne in a hurry without cutting a lot of corners designed to stop horrible accidents from occurring, helicopters are slower and can be shot down by someone with either the right equipment or enough skill (both of which Shaw has an abundance of), and boats run into similar problems. There really is no other choice but to either keep the chip there and hope whatever plan he has cooked up fails or try and drive it out of there before he knows what's happening.

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*** Shaw's resourceful and always been one step ahead. Flying it out might have always been the default plan, but they tried to be GenreSavvy and used the plan after that. Alternatively they needed it gone '''now'''; you cannot prep a plane and get it airborne in a hurry without cutting a lot of corners designed to stop horrible accidents from occurring, helicopters are slower and can be shot down by someone with either the right equipment or enough skill (both of which Shaw has an abundance of), and boats run into similar problems. There really is no other choice but to either keep the chip there and hope whatever plan he has cooked up fails or try and drive it out of there before he knows what's happening.
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*** And a room full of career criminals didn't question his numbers? You don't make that kind of book-keeping leap in logic without a little bit of explanation when you're talking in the millions, unless you want to be accused of skimming off the top. They used the same number throughout the whole movie even after some of it was burned and a new member added to the team and nobody said "Wait, how much do we get now?". Academically, I know that they just wanted to keep the numbers simple so as not to [[ViewersAreMorons confuse the audience]], but did they really have to assume that we can't multiply single-digit numbers by 11? I'm slightly offended.

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*** And a room full of career criminals didn't question his numbers? You don't make that kind of book-keeping leap in logic without a little bit of explanation when you're talking in the millions, unless you want to be accused of skimming off the top. They used the same number throughout the whole movie even after some of it was burned and a new member added to the team and nobody said "Wait, how much do we get now?". Academically, I know that they just wanted to keep the numbers simple so as not to [[ViewersAreMorons confuse the audience]], audience, but did they really have to assume that we can't multiply single-digit numbers by 11? I'm slightly offended.
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** He had already blown his cover when he told Mia earlier that he was a cop, and needed her help to save Dom. It would have made no sense for him to not call in the quickest backup possible, when she would have told everyone that he was a cop anyways.

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** He had already blown his cover when he told Mia earlier that he was a cop, and needed her help to save Dom. It would have made no sense for him to not call in the quickest backup possible, when she would have told everyone that he was a cop anyways.anyways.
*In Furious 7 is the God's Eye actually more trouble then it was worth for Dom and his team? They went on two highly dangerous missions to pick up Ramsay and her equipment, then the one time they use it, they get sucked into a trap. Given the ease with which Deckard constantly found them, wouldn't they have been better off just setting a trap for him?
* When Mr Nobody is injured why does he entrust Ramsay with Dom and his team. Given she is effectively the only one who could disarm the God's Eye shouldn't she have been rushed off to the nearest military base for safe keeping?
* Was it responsible for Dom and his team to head back to LA. By setting up the trap there, they were probably responsible for the deaths of several people.

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