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** To my mind, it's not even that she's not dressed fashionably, not even that she's not dressed professionally, but she's not even dressed like a normal responsible adult. I get not being interested in fashion, but practically going out of your way to look like a 6 year-old with an over-protective mother? Not to mention, as an office job, any adult would want to look somewhat nice; but as a job facing clients and important business partners? Hell, yes, you need to look good, that's a job requirement! Heck, the way she dressed for her job interview, se would have been dismissed for any position at any magazine for not looking interested in the job! (And that's not even mentioning how she didn't do her "homework" and didn't even look up the name of her potential boss...)
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** Since Andy begins working at Runway she makes it clear that she doesn't care about what they do there and that she considers herself above fashion. Fashion is basically the world to people like Miranda and Nigel who are very passionate about what they do. This is kind of why I understood their POV when they weren't very warm to Andy at the start of the film. They sacrifice their personal lives to put everything they have into this job that they love and in comes Andy who says she doesn't care about fashion (which is perfectly fine) but when Miranda gives her the speech Andy had actually laughed at Miranda and her client and again made it clear that she doesn't really know or care about what they do. Miranda speech was showing her how everything they do at Runway affects Andy one way or another and that in a way, she's following the trends that they set even if she doesn't realize it. Even if Andy chooses not to care about fashion, she shouldn't consider it stupid or beneath her because the clothes that Andy puts on her back are influenced by the work that Runway does.
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** Since Andy begins working at Runway she makes it clear that she doesn't care about what they do there and that she considers herself above fashion. Fashion is basically the world to people like Miranda and Nigel who are very passionate about what they do. This is kind of why I understood their POV when they weren't very warm to Andy at the start of the film. They sacrifice their personal lives to put everything they have into this job that they love and in comes Andy who says she doesn't care about fashion (which is perfectly fine) but when Miranda gives her the speech Andy had actually laughed at Miranda and her client and again made it clear that she doesn't really know or care about what they do. Miranda speech was showing her how everything they do at Runway affects Andy one way or another and that in a way, she's following the trends that they set even if she doesn't realize it. Even if Andy chooses not to care about fashion, she shouldn't consider it stupid or beneath her because the clothes that Andy puts on her back are influenced by the work that Runway does.does.
*Why did Miranda go through so many divorces? Wouldn't men interested in her find out about her difficult personality and realize how time consume her job is *before* they get married, *especially* since she is a celebrity whose personality is being sharply critized by the press? That said, doesn't her social circle mostly consist of people with jobs that are just as time consuming, stressful and exhausting and who should have just as little time for their lover/spouse as her and therefore should show understanding for the pressure a career like Miranda's puts on her? One should assume her husbands knew what they were getting into. (Maybe her first husband has an excuse, since she might have married him before her career took off, but the one in the movie definitely hasn't been with her that long)
*Why did Miranda go through so many divorces? Wouldn't men interested in her find out about her difficult personality and realize how time consume her job is *before* they get married, *especially* since she is a celebrity whose personality is being sharply critized by the press? That said, doesn't her social circle mostly consist of people with jobs that are just as time consuming, stressful and exhausting and who should have just as little time for their lover/spouse as her and therefore should show understanding for the pressure a career like Miranda's puts on her? One should assume her husbands knew what they were getting into. (Maybe her first husband has an excuse, since she might have married him before her career took off, but the one in the movie definitely hasn't been with her that long)
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*** As someone who worked for a year on one of the big three luxury fashion titles in the UK (Harper's), I actually sympathise with her mates! I was a little more senior than Andy, but the film is not ''that'' much of an exaggeration in places and I was an ''awful'' person to be around during that year - constantly preoccupied, never able to fully enjoy myself, distracted from conversations -- no fun at all. The job takes over your life, and apart from the fact that the friends snatched her phone away (too harsh), I think all they are trying to do is make her see sense that the job is actually ruining her life - yes, she's successfully "in the door" and working on a prestigious brand, but at what cost?
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*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive [=PhD=] candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.
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*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive [=PhD=] candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.
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** Kind of like the lead couple in every romantic comedy ever made then? Andy's refusal is pretty half-hearted and she clearly consents to sex with him. (They're in the middle of the street when he kisses her, it's not like she didn't have time to change her mind.)
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*** Why ''would'' you be nice to someone who is working with you and acting like a martyr for putting up with the same abuse you do? Andy makes it really clear she thinks fashion is trivial and, while she's entitled to her opinion, she lands a job thousands of other girls would die for. It's kind of selfish to make it clear you treat a prestigious job like it's not important, especially when Miranda has fired other girls who were desperate for the job and sacrifices much of her personal life to ensure the magazine's success. From her perspective, Andy's attitude isn't just rude, it's completely insulting. Not to mention, she's being presented with opportunities to meet amazing people and go to new places, but her friends constantly bitch that she's "not the same". What do they want her to do, stay in the same job, with the same clothes, forever?
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** Except, you know, the borderline sexual harrasment and inability to understand "no".
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**One year of hellish bootcamp for the chance to be hired at any job in the city hardly seems unreasonable for friends and family to have to put up with. (In the book, she could take her pick at the top of any magazine if she got through a year, but I don't remember if this is specifically the case in the movie). Other professions do this: MD residents literally go through hell and sleep three hours a night before they can get a better work-life balance. Some people have to relocate for a year. I can understand if her friends and boyfriend don't want to put up with this as a permanent thing, but dealing with your friend/girlfriend having no life outside of work for a single year is not a ridiculous thing to have to endure, especially of the potential rewards are so significant.
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*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive PhD candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.
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*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive PhD [=PhD=] candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.
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*** But Andy didn't turn into a "fashionista b**ch". I remember her being nice to everyone throughout the film except for when she steps over Emily to accompany Miranda to Paris and that's not even such a bad thing [[YourMileageMayVary depending on who you ask]]. I don't understand how people are saying she turned into someone she wasn't for her job.
** [[MisaimedFandom I was actually on the side of her friends.]] No seriously. The opening scenes establish Andy as close to her friends, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan happy with her boyfriend]], and most of all, nonchalant about her big job opportunity. It is after all a means to an end ... not her dream job, and certianly not in her ultimate field. In short order she learns that her coworkers uniformly loathe her, [[BadBoss her boss is the most evil woman in the world]], and that her schedule is entirely fluid and at the at the mercy of the whims of the wicked fashionista-in-chief. Rather then consider "there must be a better way to start a journalisim career", she decides to endure the ritualistic humiliations, wisecracks about her weight (This is Anne Hathaway, folks), servile menial tasks, casual cruelty from co-workers and lack of free time, ultimately worshiping at the altar of Them What Make Clothes. .... and we the audience are supposed to dislike her friends for not embracing all the changes in her life this entails. Clearly [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV,]]. In fact I think mileage varies on what each audience member brings to the table, such as preexisting opinion on the fashion industry, and a Y chromosome or lack thereof.
** [[MisaimedFandom I was actually on the side of her friends.]] No seriously. The opening scenes establish Andy as close to her friends, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan happy with her boyfriend]], and most of all, nonchalant about her big job opportunity. It is after all a means to an end ... not her dream job, and certianly not in her ultimate field. In short order she learns that her coworkers uniformly loathe her, [[BadBoss her boss is the most evil woman in the world]], and that her schedule is entirely fluid and at the at the mercy of the whims of the wicked fashionista-in-chief. Rather then consider "there must be a better way to start a journalisim career", she decides to endure the ritualistic humiliations, wisecracks about her weight (This is Anne Hathaway, folks), servile menial tasks, casual cruelty from co-workers and lack of free time, ultimately worshiping at the altar of Them What Make Clothes. .... and we the audience are supposed to dislike her friends for not embracing all the changes in her life this entails. Clearly [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV,]]. In fact I think mileage varies on what each audience member brings to the table, such as preexisting opinion on the fashion industry, and a Y chromosome or lack thereof.
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*** But Andy didn't turn into a "fashionista b**ch". I remember her being nice to everyone throughout the film except for when she steps over Emily to accompany Miranda to Paris and that's not even such a bad thing [[YourMileageMayVary depending on who you ask]].ask. I don't understand how people are saying she turned into someone she wasn't for her job.
** [[MisaimedFandom I was actually on the side of her friends.]] No seriously. The opening scenes establish Andy as close to her friends, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan happy with her boyfriend]], and most of all, nonchalant about her big job opportunity. It is after all a means to an end ... not her dream job, and certianly not in her ultimate field. In short order she learns that her coworkers uniformly loathe her, [[BadBoss her boss is the most evil woman in the world]], and that her schedule is entirely fluid and at the at the mercy of the whims of the wicked fashionista-in-chief. Rather then consider "there must be a better way to start a journalisim career", she decides to endure the ritualistic humiliations, wisecracks about her weight (This is Anne Hathaway, folks), servile menial tasks, casual cruelty from co-workers and lack of free time, ultimately worshiping at the altar of Them What Make Clothes. .... and we the audience are supposed to dislike her friends for not embracing all the changes in her life this entails.Clearly [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV,]]. In fact I think mileage varies on what each audience member brings to the table, such as preexisting opinion on the fashion industry, and a Y chromosome or lack thereof.
** [[MisaimedFandom I was actually on the side of her friends.]] No seriously. The opening scenes establish Andy as close to her friends, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan happy with her boyfriend]], and most of all, nonchalant about her big job opportunity. It is after all a means to an end ... not her dream job, and certianly not in her ultimate field. In short order she learns that her coworkers uniformly loathe her, [[BadBoss her boss is the most evil woman in the world]], and that her schedule is entirely fluid and at the at the mercy of the whims of the wicked fashionista-in-chief. Rather then consider "there must be a better way to start a journalisim career", she decides to endure the ritualistic humiliations, wisecracks about her weight (This is Anne Hathaway, folks), servile menial tasks, casual cruelty from co-workers and lack of free time, ultimately worshiping at the altar of Them What Make Clothes. .... and we the audience are supposed to dislike her friends for not embracing all the changes in her life this entails.
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*** I just can't see her friends point of view. Some of the things that Andy had to do for her job were crazy but as friends they should have supported her. They felt she was a different person because she gained an interest in fashion (which is kind of a requirement when working at a fashion magazine) and because she had less time to spend with them. I don't think Andy's personality changed at all during the film (remind me if it did, its been awhile since I've seen the film). She was still a nice girl but with better clothes and willing to do whatever she had to do to achieve her ultimate goal. As friends they should have understood that this is all temporary and that Andy has no plans on becoming the next big thing in fashion: she just wants to be a journalist.
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* I don't get how the whole clothes are a big deal and took effort speech, that's supposed to be a reason Andy sucks speech, matters. So it takes some effort by some people to do it? It's not like the alternative, not wearing clothes, is viable.
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* I don't get how the whole clothes are a big deal and took effort speech, that's supposed to be a reason Andy sucks speech, matters. So it takes some effort by some people to do it? It's not like the alternative, not wearing clothes, is viable.viable.
**Since Andy begins working at Runway she makes it clear that she doesn't care about what they do there and that she considers herself above fashion. Fashion is basically the world to people like Miranda and Nigel who are very passionate about what they do. This is kind of why I understood their POV when they weren't very warm to Andy at the start of the film. They sacrifice their personal lives to put everything they have into this job that they love and in comes Andy who says she doesn't care about fashion (which is perfectly fine) but when Miranda gives her the speech Andy had actually laughed at Miranda and her client and again made it clear that she doesn't really know or care about what they do. Miranda speech was showing her how everything they do at Runway affects Andy one way or another and that in a way, she's following the trends that they set even if she doesn't realize it. Even if Andy chooses not to care about fashion, she shouldn't consider it stupid or beneath her because the clothes that Andy puts on her back are influenced by the work that Runway does.
**Since Andy begins working at Runway she makes it clear that she doesn't care about what they do there and that she considers herself above fashion. Fashion is basically the world to people like Miranda and Nigel who are very passionate about what they do. This is kind of why I understood their POV when they weren't very warm to Andy at the start of the film. They sacrifice their personal lives to put everything they have into this job that they love and in comes Andy who says she doesn't care about fashion (which is perfectly fine) but when Miranda gives her the speech Andy had actually laughed at Miranda and her client and again made it clear that she doesn't really know or care about what they do. Miranda speech was showing her how everything they do at Runway affects Andy one way or another and that in a way, she's following the trends that they set even if she doesn't realize it. Even if Andy chooses not to care about fashion, she shouldn't consider it stupid or beneath her because the clothes that Andy puts on her back are influenced by the work that Runway does.
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*I don't get how the whole clothes are a big deal and took effort speech, that's supposed to be a reason Andy sucks speech, matters. So it takes some effort by some people to do it? It's not like the alternative, not wearing clothes, is viable.
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**** I didn't see the movie, but I read the book, and I thought Andy's family and friends were being completely unreasonable. Yes, Lily got into a [[spoiler:drunk driving accident]], and that's terrible. But you know what? Lily's not a child, and Andy's not her mother. Lily was completely responsible for what happened, and there's no reason Andy should have had to throw away a huge career opportunity to take care of her. Lily's not a friend; she's a parasite. And in any case, there was nothing Andy could do for her by coming back from Paris. Likewise, Andy's sister is having a baby, and yes, the birth of a niece or nephew is a very big deal, and if at all possible, you'd want to be there for that. But you know what? Andy's sister has a husband and parents who can all be there. Expecting Andy to quit this job, so close to the finish line, and throw away everything she had suffered for over this horrible year, just to be a cheerleader in the hospital, for Lily or her sister, is completely unreasonable.
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*** This issue is that Andy completely changes who she is in order to fit in at Runway and becomes a fashionista b**ch and mini-Miranda. Yes, she wants to be a journalist and yes working at Runway is a prestige job, but you should never do a complete 180 turn for a job. It seems like at the end she's at the sort of liberal muckracking paper which fits her personality and is a place where she would actually get to write something (i.e. city council meetings and the police blotter) rather than just picking up dry cleaning and answering phones.
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*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive PhD candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.
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*** It is made very clear very early on that Andy wants to be a journalist ''very'' badly -- she gave up a place at Stanford Law and moved to New York for this very purpose. Also, don't forget that she could easily have gotten a position at Auto Universe, where she probably wouldn't have had to change her appearance at all; but in her interview speech she clearly dismisses it as an even worse option than Runway because it wouldn't give the same boost to her career. So she practically ''begs'' Miranda to hire her, promises to work ''very'' hard, and yet she still acts as if she's somehow above it all -- with that kind of attitude it's understandable that her colleagues take jabs at her. After all, she's supposed to represent the world's most influential fashion magazine every day -- how can she expect them to take her seriously if she so stubbornly refuses to acclimatize?
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*** It is made very clear very early on that Andy wants to be a journalist ''very'' badly -- she gave up a place at Stanford Law and moved to New York for this very purpose. Also, don't forget that she could easily have gotten a position at Auto Universe, where she probably wouldn't have had to change her appearance at all; but in her interview speech she clearly dismisses it as an even worse option than Runway because it wouldn't give the same boost to her career. So she practically ''begs'' Miranda to hire her, promises to work ''very'' hard, and yet she still acts as if she's somehow above it all -- with that kind of attitude it's understandable that her colleagues take jabs at her. After all, she's supposed to represent the world's most influential fashion magazine every day -- how can she expect them to take her seriously if she so stubbornly refuses to acclimatize?acclimatize?
*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive PhD candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.
*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive PhD candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.
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*** You seem to feel strongly about this, so maybe you can explain it to me: what exactly is wrong with taking a job you're not crazy about in order to get where you want to go? Even if her friends don't understand it, I really fail to see how that choice has anything to do with them. Sometimes our friends are too busy to see us, because of things beyond their control, and it isn't personal. The job sucks, but it's not like Andy's dragging her friends along with her to the office each day -- she's the on who has to deal with it. If I were her friend I would be sympathetic, or possibly concerned by the bags under her eyes; I would not act like she'd killed my cat just because she couldn't join us at happy hour every day. (Also, just so you know: I have no Y chromosome, and I've never felt that fashion was stupid or whatever.)
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*** You seem to feel strongly about this, so maybe you can explain it to me: I've never understood what the writers were going for, with this. Can you help me? What is it that her friends are objecting to? What exactly is wrong with taking a job you're not crazy about in order to get where you want to go? Even if her friends don't understand it, I really fail to see how that choice has anything to do with them. Sometimes our friends are too busy to see us, because of things beyond their control, and it isn't personal. The job sucks, but it's not like Andy's dragging her friends along with her to the office each day -- she's the on who has to deal with it. If I were her friend I would be sympathetic, or possibly concerned by the bags under her eyes; I would not act like she'd killed my cat just because she couldn't join us at happy hour every day. (Also, just so you know: I have no Y chromosome, and I've never felt that fashion was stupid or whatever.)
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*** You seem to feel strongly about this, so maybe you can explain it to me: what exactly is wrong with taking a job you're not crazy about in order to get where you want to go? Even if her friends don't understand it, I really fail to understand how that choice has anything to do with them. Sometimes our friends are too busy to see us, because of things beyond their control, and it isn't personal. The job sucks, but it's not like Andy's dragging her friends along with her to the office each day -- she's the on who has to deal with it. If I were her friend I would be sympathetic, or possibly concerned by the bags under her eyes; I would not act like she'd killed my cat just because she couldn't join us at happy hour every day. (Also, just so you know: I have no Y chromosome, and I've never felt that fashion was stupid or whatever.)
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*** You seem to feel strongly about this, so maybe you can explain it to me: what exactly is wrong with taking a job you're not crazy about in order to get where you want to go? Even if her friends don't understand it, I really fail to understand see how that choice has anything to do with them. Sometimes our friends are too busy to see us, because of things beyond their control, and it isn't personal. The job sucks, but it's not like Andy's dragging her friends along with her to the office each day -- she's the on who has to deal with it. If I were her friend I would be sympathetic, or possibly concerned by the bags under her eyes; I would not act like she'd killed my cat just because she couldn't join us at happy hour every day. (Also, just so you know: I have no Y chromosome, and I've never felt that fashion was stupid or whatever.)
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*** You seem to feel strongly about this, so maybe you can explain it to me: what exactly is wrong with taking a job you're not crazy about in order to get where you want to go? Even if her friends don't understand it, I really fail to understand how that choice has anything to do with them. Sometimes our friends are too busy to see us, because of things beyond their control, and it isn't personal. The job sucks, but it's not like Andy's dragging her friends along with her to the office each day -- she's the on who has to deal with it. If I were her friend I would be sympathetic, or possibly concerned by the bags under her eyes; I would not act like she'd killed my cat just because she couldn't join us at happy hour every day. (Also, just so you know: I have no Y chromosome, and I've never felt that fashion was stupid or whatever.)
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** [[MisaimedFandom I was actually on the side of her friends.]] No seriously. The opening scenes establish Andy as close to her friends, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan happy with her boyfriend]], and most of all, nonchalant about her big job opportunity. It is after all a means to an end ... not her dream job, and certianly not in her ultimate field. In short order she learns that her coworkers uniformly loathe her, [[BadBoss her boss is the most evil woman in the world]], and that her schedule is entirely fluid and at the at the mercy of the whims of the wicked fashionista-in-chief. Rather then consider "there must be a better way to start a journalisim career", she decides to endure the ritualistic humiliations, wisecracks about her weight (This is Anne Hathaway, folks), servile menial tasks, casual cruelty from co-workers and lack of free time, ultimately worshiping at the altar of Them What Make Clothes. .... and we the audience are supposed to dislike her friends for not embracing all the changes in her life this entails. Clearly [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV,]]. In fact I think mileage varies on what each audience member brings to the table, such as preexisting opinion on the fashion industry, and a Y chromosome or lack thereof.
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** [[MisaimedFandom I was actually on the side of her friends.]] No seriously. The opening scenes establish Andy as close to her friends, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan happy with her boyfriend]], and most of all, nonchalant about her big job opportunity. It is after all a means to an end ... not her dream job, and certianly not in her ultimate field. In short order she learns that her coworkers uniformly loathe her, [[BadBoss her boss is the most evil woman in the world]], and that her schedule is entirely fluid and at the at the mercy of the whims of the wicked fashionista-in-chief. Rather then consider "there must be a better way to start a journalisim career", she decides to endure the ritualistic humiliations, wisecracks about her weight (This is Anne Hathaway, folks), servile menial tasks, casual cruelty from co-workers and lack of free time, ultimately worshiping at the altar of Them What Make Clothes. .... and we the audience are supposed to dislike her friends for not embracing all the changes in her life this entails. Clearly [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV,]]. In fact I think mileage varies on what each audience member brings to the table, such as preexisting opinion on the fashion industry, and a Y chromosome or lack thereof.thereof.
*** It is made very clear very early on that Andy wants to be a journalist ''very'' badly -- she gave up a place at Stanford Law and moved to New York for this very purpose. Also, don't forget that she could easily have gotten a position at Auto Universe, where she probably wouldn't have had to change her appearance at all; but in her interview speech she clearly dismisses it as an even worse option than Runway because it wouldn't give the same boost to her career. So she practically ''begs'' Miranda to hire her, promises to work ''very'' hard, and yet she still acts as if she's somehow above it all -- with that kind of attitude it's understandable that her colleagues take jabs at her. After all, she's supposed to represent the world's most influential fashion magazine every day -- how can she expect them to take her seriously if she so stubbornly refuses to acclimatize?
*** It is made very clear very early on that Andy wants to be a journalist ''very'' badly -- she gave up a place at Stanford Law and moved to New York for this very purpose. Also, don't forget that she could easily have gotten a position at Auto Universe, where she probably wouldn't have had to change her appearance at all; but in her interview speech she clearly dismisses it as an even worse option than Runway because it wouldn't give the same boost to her career. So she practically ''begs'' Miranda to hire her, promises to work ''very'' hard, and yet she still acts as if she's somehow above it all -- with that kind of attitude it's understandable that her colleagues take jabs at her. After all, she's supposed to represent the world's most influential fashion magazine every day -- how can she expect them to take her seriously if she so stubbornly refuses to acclimatize?
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** I kind of lost interest in the film at that point because they seemed to be playing the "She's becoming a bad person who needs to give up her successful career and get back in touch with her roots" card. Thankfully they managed to avoid completely undoing her character development by having her go back to her non-entity friends and dull boyfriend, even if she does give all her clothes away. And seriously, her friends are on screen for about ten minutes in the entire film, why are we meant to care that she isn't spending time with them?
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** I kind of lost interest in the film at that point because they seemed to be playing the "She's becoming a bad person who needs to give up her successful career and get back in touch with her roots" card. Thankfully they managed to avoid completely undoing her character development by having her go back to her non-entity friends and dull boyfriend, even if she does give all her clothes away. And seriously, her friends are on screen for about ten minutes in the entire film, why are we meant to care that she isn't spending time with them?them?
** [[MisaimedFandom I was actually on the side of her friends.]] No seriously. The opening scenes establish Andy as close to her friends, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan happy with her boyfriend]], and most of all, nonchalant about her big job opportunity. It is after all a means to an end ... not her dream job, and certianly not in her ultimate field. In short order she learns that her coworkers uniformly loathe her, [[BadBoss her boss is the most evil woman in the world]], and that her schedule is entirely fluid and at the at the mercy of the whims of the wicked fashionista-in-chief. Rather then consider "there must be a better way to start a journalisim career", she decides to endure the ritualistic humiliations, wisecracks about her weight (This is Anne Hathaway, folks), servile menial tasks, casual cruelty from co-workers and lack of free time, ultimately worshiping at the altar of Them What Make Clothes. .... and we the audience are supposed to dislike her friends for not embracing all the changes in her life this entails. Clearly [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV,]]. In fact I think mileage varies on what each audience member brings to the table, such as preexisting opinion on the fashion industry, and a Y chromosome or lack thereof.
** [[MisaimedFandom I was actually on the side of her friends.]] No seriously. The opening scenes establish Andy as close to her friends, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan happy with her boyfriend]], and most of all, nonchalant about her big job opportunity. It is after all a means to an end ... not her dream job, and certianly not in her ultimate field. In short order she learns that her coworkers uniformly loathe her, [[BadBoss her boss is the most evil woman in the world]], and that her schedule is entirely fluid and at the at the mercy of the whims of the wicked fashionista-in-chief. Rather then consider "there must be a better way to start a journalisim career", she decides to endure the ritualistic humiliations, wisecracks about her weight (This is Anne Hathaway, folks), servile menial tasks, casual cruelty from co-workers and lack of free time, ultimately worshiping at the altar of Them What Make Clothes. .... and we the audience are supposed to dislike her friends for not embracing all the changes in her life this entails. Clearly [[YourMileageMayVary YMMV,]]. In fact I think mileage varies on what each audience member brings to the table, such as preexisting opinion on the fashion industry, and a Y chromosome or lack thereof.
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** Entirely true. Christian actually seemed to be looking out for Andy and trying to help her with her career, yet we're apparently meant to see him as a playboy enticing her away from her dull friends. Then he gets shafted by Miranda and just disappears from the film.
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** It always bugged me that they branded her the bad friend for that. If she had done that to any of them they would've been angry and potentially lost their job for not answering the phone to a bad boss. Everyone's had a shitty boss; wouldn't they understand that this was a job dangling problem? Really, her friends came off as immature and overly idealistic, while she was the one who matured and understood that sometimes you work jobs that aren't 100% perfect because they get you where you need go to.
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** It always bugged me that they branded her the bad friend for that. If she had done that to any of them they would've been angry and potentially lost their job for not answering the phone to a bad boss. Everyone's had a shitty boss; wouldn't they understand that this was a job dangling problem? Really, her friends came off as immature and overly idealistic, while she was the one who matured and understood that sometimes you work jobs that aren't 100% perfect because they get you where you need go to.to.
** I kind of lost interest in the film at that point because they seemed to be playing the "She's becoming a bad person who needs to give up her successful career and get back in touch with her roots" card. Thankfully they managed to avoid completely undoing her character development by having her go back to her non-entity friends and dull boyfriend, even if she does give all her clothes away. And seriously, her friends are on screen for about ten minutes in the entire film, why are we meant to care that she isn't spending time with them?
** I kind of lost interest in the film at that point because they seemed to be playing the "She's becoming a bad person who needs to give up her successful career and get back in touch with her roots" card. Thankfully they managed to avoid completely undoing her character development by having her go back to her non-entity friends and dull boyfriend, even if she does give all her clothes away. And seriously, her friends are on screen for about ten minutes in the entire film, why are we meant to care that she isn't spending time with them?
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** It always bugged me that they branded her the bad friend for that. If she had done that to any of them they would've been angry and potentially lost their job for not answering the phone to a bad boss. Everyone's had a shitty boss; really, her friends came off as immature and overly idealistic, while she was the one who matured and understood that sometimes you work jobs that aren't 100% perfect because they get you where you need go to.
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** It always bugged me that they branded her the bad friend for that. If she had done that to any of them they would've been angry and potentially lost their job for not answering the phone to a bad boss. Everyone's had a shitty boss; really, wouldn't they understand that this was a job dangling problem? Really, her friends came off as immature and overly idealistic, while she was the one who matured and understood that sometimes you work jobs that aren't 100% perfect because they get you where you need go to.
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* Seriously, her friends all suck. In that scene where they play keep-away with her phone when they know it's her legendarily unforgiving boss calling (right after she gave them all that free stuff!), how is it that ''she'''s supposed to be the asshole for not finding it hilarious? (Not to mention, I bet the rest of the restaurant enjoyed listening to that godawful ringtone for way longer than necessary.)
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* Seriously, her friends all suck. In that scene where they play keep-away with her phone when they know it's her legendarily unforgiving boss calling (right after she gave them all that free stuff!), how is it that ''she'''s supposed to be the asshole for not finding it hilarious? (Not to mention, I bet the rest of the restaurant enjoyed listening to that godawful ringtone for way longer than necessary.))
**It always bugged me that they branded her the bad friend for that. If she had done that to any of them they would've been angry and potentially lost their job for not answering the phone to a bad boss. Everyone's had a shitty boss; really, her friends came off as immature and overly idealistic, while she was the one who matured and understood that sometimes you work jobs that aren't 100% perfect because they get you where you need go to.
**It always bugged me that they branded her the bad friend for that. If she had done that to any of them they would've been angry and potentially lost their job for not answering the phone to a bad boss. Everyone's had a shitty boss; really, her friends came off as immature and overly idealistic, while she was the one who matured and understood that sometimes you work jobs that aren't 100% perfect because they get you where you need go to.
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*** Not to mention that, at the end of the movie, he moves to Boston to become a sous-chef. Apparently, embracing new horizons (while still appreciating old ones) to further your carreer is a big no-no, but physically distancing yourself from your friends is A-OK.
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* I found it ironic that the boyfriend who tells Andy that it's just clothes was earlier pontificating about French fries.
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* I found it ironic that the boyfriend who tells Andy that it's just clothes was earlier pontificating about French fries.fries.
** Ah, but he knows this! You see, he makes port wine reductions all day! He's not exactly in the Peace Corps! He wouldn't care if she was a poledancer as long as she did it with a little integrity! You have to appreciate those lines, because that's where the movie pretty much tells you that it measures "integrity" by the sole criterion of not growing away from your social circle ''for any reason'', and that what you decide to do for a living doesn't even enter into it.
* Seriously, her friends all suck. In that scene where they play keep-away with her phone when they know it's her legendarily unforgiving boss calling (right after she gave them all that free stuff!), how is it that ''she'''s supposed to be the asshole for not finding it hilarious? (Not to mention, I bet the rest of the restaurant enjoyed listening to that godawful ringtone for way longer than necessary.)
** Ah, but he knows this! You see, he makes port wine reductions all day! He's not exactly in the Peace Corps! He wouldn't care if she was a poledancer as long as she did it with a little integrity! You have to appreciate those lines, because that's where the movie pretty much tells you that it measures "integrity" by the sole criterion of not growing away from your social circle ''for any reason'', and that what you decide to do for a living doesn't even enter into it.
* Seriously, her friends all suck. In that scene where they play keep-away with her phone when they know it's her legendarily unforgiving boss calling (right after she gave them all that free stuff!), how is it that ''she'''s supposed to be the asshole for not finding it hilarious? (Not to mention, I bet the rest of the restaurant enjoyed listening to that godawful ringtone for way longer than necessary.)
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* Why exactly are we supposed to hate/resent Christian? Because he took a once-in-a-lifetime job offer? Seriously, who wouldn't jump at that. Because he's not sympathetic toward Miranda? Andy is pretty much the only person in the world with any sympathy for her, and only because she'd just seen her at her worst. Because he took Andy to bed on their first date? It was their first official date but they'd known each other for months before. IMHO Christian would have been a much more suitable boyfriend for Andy than Nate: he's mature, successful, has a lot in common with Andy, seems genuinely interested in her (you don't put that kind of effort into getting a girl for just one night), and most of all he understands what her work entails and doesn't reprehend her for it. He didn't deserve to be cast in such a negative light at the end.
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* Why exactly are we supposed to hate/resent Christian? Because he took a once-in-a-lifetime job offer? Seriously, who wouldn't jump at that. Because he's not sympathetic toward Miranda? Andy is pretty much the only person in the world with any sympathy for her, and only because she'd just seen her at her worst. Because he took Andy to bed on their first date? It was their first official date but they'd known each other for months before. IMHO Christian would have been a much more suitable boyfriend for Andy than Nate: he's mature, successful, has a lot in common with Andy, seems genuinely interested in her (you don't put that kind of effort into getting a girl for just one night), and most of all he understands what her work entails and doesn't reprehend her for it. He didn't deserve to be cast in such a negative light at the end.end.
* I found it ironic that the boyfriend who tells Andy that it's just clothes was earlier pontificating about French fries.
* I found it ironic that the boyfriend who tells Andy that it's just clothes was earlier pontificating about French fries.
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