History Headscratchers / TheDevilWearsPrada

23rd Mar '16 9:56:28 PM waltersobchak
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*** It's easy for Nate to have a little integrity, when Andy's father is the one paying his rent!
12th Nov '15 10:35:17 PM kundoo
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** Just because her husbands new she has difficult personality doesn't mean they were prepared to everything. There is a difference between understanding someone and actually being able to deal with them. They could just overestimate how much they can endure. Also it is possible some of the divorces were her initiative.

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** Just because her husbands new knew she has had difficult personality doesn't mean they were prepared to everything. There is a difference between understanding someone and actually being able to deal with them. They could just overestimate how much they can endure. Also it is possible some of the divorces were her initiative.
5th Nov '15 7:32:45 PM kundoo
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** Just because her husbands new she has difficult personality doesn't mean they were prepared to everything. There is a difference between understanding someone and actually being able to deal with them. They could just overestimate how much they can endure. Also it is possible some of the divorces were her initiative.
6th May '15 9:03:56 AM Illuminatus
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*** Notably so at the very end. Which is, possibly, meant to imply an off-screen happy ending for Nigel. Since she does 'pay [people] back'.

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*** Notably so at the very end. Which is, possibly, meant to imply an off-screen happy ending for Nigel. Since she does 'pay [people] back'.back'.
*** "Evil" is a strong word. Miranda is not actively trying to harm anyone in the film. However, she is a relentless and unforgiving pain in the ass to virtually everyone she meets for no reason at all. She refuses to learn Andy's name for the first chunk of the film, she changes things abruptly and then insults people for failing to read her mind about it, she insults people for events which are out of their control, and through all of it the pay sucks so badly that Andy has to borrow money from her parents just to make rent and Miranda explicitly threatens her with not only firing her from her current job but blackballing her from publishing entirely.
8th Jan '15 11:03:30 PM theoddkoala
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** On the other hand, the movie gets out of its way to give her PetTheDog moments, or at least moments when the audience and Andy can sympathize.

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** On the other hand, the movie gets goes out of its way to give her PetTheDog moments, or at least moments when the audience and Andy can sympathize.sympathize.
*** Notably so at the very end. Which is, possibly, meant to imply an off-screen happy ending for Nigel. Since she does 'pay [people] back'.
27th Oct '14 10:06:40 AM DameHanalla
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*** She didn't exactly step over Emily. Despite Miranda's NotSoDifferent speech at the end, Miranda losing her job at Runway is by no means the end of her career; so, how is that supposed to parallel the Emily/Andy situation? Andy can barely pay rent as it is, she can't afford to lose her job. Worse, Miranda does threaten, covertly but still very clearly, to make it extremely difficult for Andy to ever work again in journalism. Considering the fashion guru's clout, this threat sounds very doable!

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*** She didn't exactly step over Emily. Despite Emily, despite Miranda's NotSoDifferent speech at the end, end: Miranda losing her job at Runway is by no means the end of her career; so, how is that supposed to parallel the Emily/Andy situation? Andy can barely pay rent as it is, she can't afford to lose her job. Worse, Miranda does threaten, covertly but still very clearly, to make it extremely difficult for Andy to ever work again in journalism. Considering the fashion guru's clout, this threat sounds very doable!



** Another thing that bugs me: Lily's reaction to Christian kissing Andy on the cheek. She doesn't ask what's going on and, you know, worry about what's going on in her friend's head and heart; no, she goes straight into accusatory mode. Taking Nate's side only makes sense if her true friend is Nate and Andy is just a side thought because she is Nate's girlfriend. But that doesn't gel with her knowing Andy for the "last 16 years"...

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** Another thing that bugs me: Lily's reaction to Christian kissing Andy on the cheek. She doesn't ask what's going on and, you know, worry about what's going on in her friend's head and heart; no, she goes straight into accusatory mode. Taking Nate's side only makes sense if her true friend is Nate and Andy is just a side thought because she is Nate's girlfriend. But that doesn't gel with her knowing then she claims to have known Andy for the "last 16 years"... Lily acts all betrayed, almost as if she'd caught Andy actually cheating on HER.
27th Oct '14 7:22:58 AM DameHanalla
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** Plus, Andy actually has chemistry with Christian. With Nate, I couldn't decide if she was his girlfriend, his roommate or his "beard" until the romantic relationship was spelled out.

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** Plus, Andy actually has chemistry with Christian. With Nate, I couldn't decide if she was his girlfriend, his roommate or his "beard" until the romantic sexual relationship was spelled out.out, and then, they sound more like FriendsWithBenefits than romantic partners.



*** Also, don't you just LOVE Nate's "since you are quitting this job, we should celebrate." And no, it's definitely not in a "you had a rough day, let me take you mind of off all that cr*p and offer you a nice evening at home." You can heard the smug satisfaction in his voice. There is not a single moment in this movie when he is supportive, demonstrating affection by small gestures, or you know, even kissing and hugging her.

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*** Also, don't you just LOVE Nate's "since you are quitting this job, we should celebrate." And no, it's definitely not in a "you had a rough day, let me take you mind of off all that cr*p and offer you a nice evening at home." You can heard the smug satisfaction in his voice. There is not a single moment in this movie when he is supportive, demonstrating affection by small gestures, or you know, even kissing and hugging her.
27th Oct '14 7:07:52 AM DameHanalla
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*** Also, don't you just LOVE Nate's "since you quitting this job, we should celebrate." And no, it's definitely not in a "you had a rough day, let me take you mind of off all that cr*p and offer you a nice evening at home." You can heard the smug satisfaction in his voice. There is not a single moment in this movie when he is supportive, demonstrating affection by small gestures, or you know, even kissing and hugging her.

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*** Also, don't you just LOVE Nate's "since you are quitting this job, we should celebrate." And no, it's definitely not in a "you had a rough day, let me take you mind of off all that cr*p and offer you a nice evening at home." You can heard the smug satisfaction in his voice. There is not a single moment in this movie when he is supportive, demonstrating affection by small gestures, or you know, even kissing and hugging her.



**** Similarly, Nate says that "that job wasn't forced on [Andy]", and as such, she shouldn't use it as her go-to excuse... Why, yes, when you are just out of college, you kind of have to take whatever you can get, within reason. As they say, beggars can't be choosers. Andy needs both the money and the credentials. Even if fashion isn't her preferred topic, even if the pay is not god, and even considering she is doing very little actual writing, she is far better off in the long run working at Runway than waitressing. (Before anyone jumps down my throat: I have nothing against waitressing, it is just not Andy wants for her life.)

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**** Similarly, Nate says that "that job wasn't forced on [Andy]", and as such, she shouldn't use it as her go-to excuse... Why, yes, when you are just out of college, you kind of have to take whatever you can get, within reason. As they say, beggars can't be choosers. Andy needs both the money and the credentials. Even if fashion isn't her preferred topic, even if the pay is not god, good, and even considering she is doing very little actual writing, she is far better off in the long run working at Runway than waitressing. (Before anyone jumps down my throat: I have nothing against waitressing, it is just not Andy wants for her life.)
27th Oct '14 7:03:28 AM DameHanalla
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**** Similarly, Nate says that "that job wasn't forced on [Andy]", and as such, she shouldn't use it as her go-to excuse... Why, yes, when you don't have your pick of any job in your dream industry, you kind of have to take whatever you can get, within reason. As they say, beggars can't be choosers. Andy needs both the money and the credentials. Even if fashion isn't her preferred topic, even if the pay is not better, and even considering she is doing very little actually writing, she is far better off in the long run working at Runway than waitressing. (Before anyone jumps down my throat: I have nothing against waitressing, it is just not Andy wants for her life.)

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**** Similarly, Nate says that "that job wasn't forced on [Andy]", and as such, she shouldn't use it as her go-to excuse... Why, yes, when you don't have your pick are just out of any job in your dream industry, college, you kind of have to take whatever you can get, within reason. As they say, beggars can't be choosers. Andy needs both the money and the credentials. Even if fashion isn't her preferred topic, even if the pay is not better, god, and even considering she is doing very little actually actual writing, she is far better off in the long run working at Runway than waitressing. (Before anyone jumps down my throat: I have nothing against waitressing, it is just not Andy wants for her life.)



*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive [=PhD=] candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.

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*** Her friends are a much bigger issue in the book. In the book, Nate (whose name is Alex) is an saintlike, uber-patient inner-city elementary school teacher who goes out of his way to apologize for being late when one of his students ''slashes another student with a box cutter.'' Meanwhile, Lily is an alcoholic, slutty, self-destructive [=PhD=] candidate in Russian literature, who Andy needs to take care of on a daily basis. The whole subplot about [[spoiler:Miranda screwing Nigel out of a job and Andy screwing Emily out of Paris]] isn't there- instead, the reasons Andy is "supposed" to stay home are that her sister was having a baby and [[spoiler:Lily winds up in the hospital in a coma after a drunk-driving accident]]. So the crucial nature of her loyalty is somewhat less ambiguous in the novel.


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** Another thing that bugs me: Lily's reaction to Christian kissing Andy on the cheek. She doesn't ask what's going on and, you know, worry about what's going on in her friend's head and heart; no, she goes straight into accusatory mode. Taking Nate's side only makes sense if her true friend is Nate and Andy is just a side thought because she is Nate's girlfriend. But that doesn't gel with her knowing Andy for the "last 16 years"...
27th Oct '14 6:52:41 AM DameHanalla
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** This also makes her throwing Nigel under the bus to keep her job that much more of a dick move and her telling Andy that they are NotSodifferent because of the Emily thing a transparent attempt at justifying her own actions.

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** This also makes her throwing Nigel under the bus to keep her job that much more of a dick move and her telling Andy that they are NotSodifferent because of the Emily thing a transparent attempt at justifying her own actions.actions.
* Are we really meant to believe Miranda is evil?
** The only unreasonable demand she makes of Andy is the Miami flight.
** The Harry Potter thing comes as revenge for Andy inadvertently eavesdropping on a private and painful discussion; not nice, true, but a perfectly human reaction.
** As for Emily, if her job is not up to par, it is the privilege of her boss to demote her; making Andy be the messenger is nasty, but given Miranda's general treatment of her subordinates and her full agenda, it may not even be a deliberate effort to make Andy uncomfortable. Again, not nice, but this is a business, not a charity.
** Her treatment of Nigel is the only truly cruel bad thing we see her do, and even though she was not exactly protecting her life or livelihood, she was under some pressure.
** On the other hand, the movie gets out of its way to give her PetTheDog moments, or at least moments when the audience and Andy can sympathize.
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