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* Actually, if they guy can read lines convincingly then you could probably make it. Not trying to knock Sarah Palin here, but when she was off script, she was very incoherent, didn't stop her from being taken seriously.

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* Actually, if they guy can read lines convincingly then you could probably make it. Not trying to knock Sarah Palin here, but when she was off script, she was very somewhat incoherent, didn't stop her from being taken seriously.seriously.
** There's a video on Youtube of Barack Obama without his teleprompter. The man has a hard time stringing together a coherent sentence of three words.
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Speaking of Maeve, why did she take out the bugs from The Seven HQ? Only to put them back in again later?
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* Also, if Black Noir is meant to kill the Homelander if he goes nuts, and Black Noir is a more powerful clone of the Homelander, part of their plan should really have involved regular psychiatric evaluation for Black Noir, to make sure HE didn't go off the rails.
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** That, and RuleOfFunny.
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* I fail to see how this is such a big deal. If someone like DanQuayle managed to be a vice president, Vic the Veep is just the next step taken to the illogical extreme.

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* I fail to see how this is such a big deal. If someone like DanQuayle UsefulNotes/DanQuayle managed to be a vice president, Vic the Veep is just the next step taken to the illogical extreme.
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** Because of the price. "Kid, the shit Butcher pumped into your neck cost nineteen billion bucks a pop, an' all it does is guarantee a permanent boost to the system in one shot; which puts you aheada four outta five supes, by the way. You imagine what it costs to grow one of these assholes from the ground up?"
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** I chalk that one up to Black Noir having as equally a low opinion Starlight as the others in the Seven, but taking out one of Vought's 3 biggest money makers on the team might cause him more drama than he's willing to deal with.

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** I chalk that one up to Black Noir having as equally a low opinion of Starlight as the others in the Seven, but taking out one of Vought's 3 biggest money makers on the team might cause him more drama than he's willing to deal with.
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**I chalk that one up to Black Noir having as equally a low opinion Starlight as the others in the Seven, but taking out one of Vought's 3 biggest money makers on the team might cause him more drama than he's willing to deal with.
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[[WMG: Maeve's Strength. SPOILERS AHOY. Can't really talk about this one without em.]]
Spoilerrific, but this one bugs the hell out of me.

Maeve is built up as a seriously powerful individual throughout the entire series. Several major characters say she, Black Noir, and the Homelander are heads and shoulders above the others. But when she squares off against the Homelander near the end, she barely scratches him before he takes her head off in seconds. Now I'm willing to take this as everyone playing her up and even as Homelander just plain outclassing her like the three of them outclass everyone else, but if that's true, Why did Black Noir (who is provably MORE powerful than the Homelander) back down when she stood up for Starlight in an earlier issue? She obviously couldn't make him. And I don't really see someone with Black Noir's psychosis allowing a bit of trouble within the Seven spoiling his fun.
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** In their defence, it's not like the people involved aren't full well aware that the Homelander has a fairly lengthy list of his own monstrous actions and conduct that they've helped cover up at this point.

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** In their defence, it's not like the people involved aren't full well aware that the Homelander has a fairly lengthy list of his own monstrous actions and conduct that they've helped cover up at this point. \n Like Stillwell himself says to the Homelander, the Homelander doing this is an escalation in many ways, certainly, but in others it's also par for the course with him.
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** In their defence, it's not like the people involved aren't full well aware that the Homelander has a fairly lengthy list of his own monstrous actions and conduct that they've helped cover up at this point.
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[[WMG: Why the HELL didn't someone at Vought, especially Stillwell, not consider the possibility that the photos of Homelander raping and murdering a family [[spoiler: might have been of Black Noir?]]]]

I mean, given what we've found out about Homelander in issue #65 and assuming people with access to knowledge of the contingency plan had all the details, it's something they should have looked into. I mean, why have [[spoiler:a clone of The Homelander that's even MORE powerful if you're worried that the first one might snap]]?

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[[WMG: Why the HELL didn't someone at Vought, Vought-American, especially Stillwell, not consider the possibility that the photos of Homelander raping and murdering a family [[spoiler: might have been of Black Noir?]]]]

I mean, given what we've found out about Homelander in issue #65 and assuming people with access to knowledge of the contingency plan had all the details, it's something they should have looked into. I mean, why have [[spoiler:a [[spoiler: a clone of The Homelander that's even MORE powerful if you're worried that the first one might snap]]?



* It's pretty much the whole point of the story. The whole theme is 'Competence Vs Incompetence', and the fact that Voight, despite having so much money, power, and pull, still has people make the most head-deskingly stupid decisions because, well, they have so much money and so much power that they think they don't need to do things like think ahead. Or think at all. It's like the scientists who built the Castle Bravo hydrogen bomb without checking which form of Lithium they used: when these kind of mistakes explode, they explode REAL GOOD.

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* It's pretty much the whole point of the story. The whole theme is 'Competence Vs Incompetence', and the fact that Voight, Vought-American, despite having so much money, power, and pull, still has people make the most head-deskingly stupid decisions because, well, they have so much money and so much power that they think they don't need to do things like think ahead. Or think at all. It's like the scientists who built the Castle Bravo hydrogen bomb without checking which form of Lithium they used: when these kind of mistakes explode, they explode REAL GOOD.



[[WMG: Since Vought wants to weaponize superheroes, and Black Noir proves that they were able to successfully clone The Homelander, why haven't they produced more clones of him instead of relying on lesser powered heroes?]]
Okay, Black Noir proved to be insane, but that was because of the specific mental conditioning he had undergone to serve his role. So why doesn't Vought produce more Homelander clones and train them into super soldiers?
** Because it would have been hard to market them as unique "heroes" without concealing their faces. Or because the cloning and enhancement processes may be as expensive as producing Compound V. Or they actually DID and they were just saving them until after they could shift their business away from Superheroes and towards defense contracts. We have some more issues to see what happens, and one of those 3 seem likely to me.

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[[WMG: Since Vought Vought-American wants to weaponize superheroes, and Black Noir proves that they were able to successfully clone The Homelander, why haven't they produced more clones of him instead of relying on lesser powered heroes?]]
Okay, Black Noir proved to be insane, but that was because of the specific mental conditioning he had undergone to serve his role. So why doesn't Vought Vought-American produce more Homelander clones and train them into super soldiers?
** Because it would have been hard to market them as unique "heroes" without concealing their faces. Or because the cloning and enhancement processes may be as expensive as producing Compound V. Or they actually DID and they were just saving them until after they could shift their business away from Superheroes and towards defense contracts. We have some more issues to see what happens, and one of those 3 three seem likely to me.
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** Because it would have been hard to market them as unique "heroes" without concealing their faces. Or because the cloning and enhancement processes may be as expensive as producing Compound V. Or they actually DID and they were just saving them until after they could shift their business away from Superheros and towards defense contracts. We have some more issues to see what happens, and one of those 3 seem likely to me.

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** Because it would have been hard to market them as unique "heroes" without concealing their faces. Or because the cloning and enhancement processes may be as expensive as producing Compound V. Or they actually DID and they were just saving them until after they could shift their business away from Superheros Superheroes and towards defense contracts. We have some more issues to see what happens, and one of those 3 seem likely to me.
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*** In issue 64 The Homelander claims to Stillwell that the last of these is the case: "You're growing the new me right now. Some camo-clothed tactical genius version that does exactly what it's told." He cites this as the reason for his rampage.
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**Because it would have been hard to market them as unique "heroes" without concealing their faces. Or because the cloning and enhancement processes may be as expensive as producing Compound V. Or they actually DID and they were just saving them until after they could shift their business away from Superheros and towards defense contracts. We have some more issues to see what happens, and one of those 3 seem likely to me.
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Okay, Black Noir proved to be insane, but that was because of the specific mental conditioning he had undergone to serve his function. So why doesn't Vought produce hundreds of Homelander clones and train them into super soldiers?

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Okay, Black Noir proved to be insane, but that was because of the specific mental conditioning he had undergone to serve his function. role. So why doesn't Vought produce hundreds of more Homelander clones and train them into super soldiers?
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** It's even outright pointed out in the issue, how stupid was to build a contingency plan that ended actually causing the problem that it was built to contain.

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** It's even outright pointed out in the issue, how stupid was to build a contingency plan that ended actually causing the problem that it was built to contain.contain.

[[WMG: Since Vought wants to weaponize superheroes, and Black Noir proves that they were able to successfully clone The Homelander, why haven't they produced more clones of him instead of relying on lesser powered heroes?]]
Okay, Black Noir proved to be insane, but that was because of the specific mental conditioning he had undergone to serve his function. So why doesn't Vought produce hundreds of Homelander clones and train them into super soldiers?

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*** Until the final arc plays out, perhaps we could say he still IS...how? Guess we'll find out.

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*** Until the final arc plays out, perhaps we could say he still IS...how? Guess we'll find out.out.
** It's even outright pointed out in the issue, how stupid was to build a contingency plan that ended actually causing the problem that it was built to contain.
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** Even still, I expected better of Stillwell, who said the most important aspect of preparation is "Everything". Looks like he should have been following his own advice.

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** Even still, I expected better of Stillwell, who said the most important aspect of preparation is "Everything". Looks like he should have been following his own advice.advice.
*** Until the final arc plays out, perhaps we could say he still IS...how? Guess we'll find out.
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* It's pretty much the whole point of the story. The whole theme is 'Competence Vs Incompetence', and the fact that Voight, despite having so much money, power, and pull, still has people make the most head-deskingly stupid decisions because, well, they have so much money and so much power that they think they don't need to do things like think ahead. Or think at all. It's like the scientists who built the Castle Bravo hydrogen bomb without checking which form of Lithium they used: when these kind of mistakes explode, they explode REAL GOOD.

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* It's pretty much the whole point of the story. The whole theme is 'Competence Vs Incompetence', and the fact that Voight, despite having so much money, power, and pull, still has people make the most head-deskingly stupid decisions because, well, they have so much money and so much power that they think they don't need to do things like think ahead. Or think at all. It's like the scientists who built the Castle Bravo hydrogen bomb without checking which form of Lithium they used: when these kind of mistakes explode, they explode REAL GOOD.GOOD.
**Even still, I expected better of Stillwell, who said the most important aspect of preparation is "Everything". Looks like he should have been following his own advice.
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Fuckin' idiots.

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Fuckin' idiots.idiots.
* It's pretty much the whole point of the story. The whole theme is 'Competence Vs Incompetence', and the fact that Voight, despite having so much money, power, and pull, still has people make the most head-deskingly stupid decisions because, well, they have so much money and so much power that they think they don't need to do things like think ahead. Or think at all. It's like the scientists who built the Castle Bravo hydrogen bomb without checking which form of Lithium they used: when these kind of mistakes explode, they explode REAL GOOD.
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[[WMG: Why the HELL didn't someone at Vought, especially Stillwell, not consider the possibility that the photos of Homelander raping and murdering a family [[spoiler: might have been of Black Noir]]?]]

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[[WMG: Why the HELL didn't someone at Vought, especially Stillwell, not consider the possibility that the photos of Homelander raping and murdering a family [[spoiler: might have been of Black Noir]]?]]
Noir?]]]]
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[[WMG: Why the HELL didn't someone at Vought, especially Stillwell, not consider the possibility that the photos of Homelander raping and murdering a family [[spoiler: might have been of Black Noir?]]

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[[WMG: Why the HELL didn't someone at Vought, especially Stillwell, not consider the possibility that the photos of Homelander raping and murdering a family [[spoiler: might have been of Black Noir?]]
Noir]]?]]
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* I fail to see how this is such a big deal. If someone like DanQuayle managed to be a vice president, Vic the Veep is just the next step taken to the illogical extreme.

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* I fail to see how this is such a big deal. If someone like DanQuayle managed to be a vice president, Vic the Veep is just the next step taken to the illogical extreme.extreme.

[[WMG: Why the HELL didn't someone at Vought, especially Stillwell, not consider the possibility that the photos of Homelander raping and murdering a family [[spoiler: might have been of Black Noir?]]

I mean, given what we've found out about Homelander in issue #65 and assuming people with access to knowledge of the contingency plan had all the details, it's something they should have looked into. I mean, why have [[spoiler:a clone of The Homelander that's even MORE powerful if you're worried that the first one might snap]]?

Fuckin' idiots.
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* I read the condom scene more as him getting a thrill from asserting his authority over the poor, traumatized Secret Service agent than anything else.

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* I read the condom scene more as him getting a thrill from asserting his authority over the poor, traumatized Secret Service agent than anything else.else.
* I fail to see how this is such a big deal. If someone like DanQuayle managed to be a vice president, Vic the Veep is just the next step taken to the illogical extreme.
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* I read the condom scene more as him getting a thrill from asserting his authority over the poor, traumatized Secret Service agent than anything else.
* Two words: Joe Biden.

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* I read the condom scene more as him getting a thrill from asserting his authority over the poor, traumatized Secret Service agent than anything else.
* Two words: Joe Biden.
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* I read the condom scene more as him getting a thrill from asserting his authority over the poor, traumatized Secret Service agent than anything else.

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* I read the condom scene more as him getting a thrill from asserting his authority over the poor, traumatized Secret Service agent than anything else.else.
* Two words: Joe Biden.
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*** Vic didn't ''personally'' attack the President. No one saw who did (although it was presumably one of the subverted Secret Service guys). Admittedly, the ease with which the attack was smoothed over and the extinguisher removed from evidence strains credibility, but with nothing to connect Vic to the attack, they had no choice but to accept his order as acting President. (I'm not sure this fits perfectly with American constitutional law as it stands -- that is, in RealLife there may have to be some sort of official declaration of the President's incapacity before the Vice President can assume his powers -- but don't quote me on that. It's not quite my field, or at least not my specialty.)

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*** Vic didn't ''personally'' attack the President. No one saw who did (although it was presumably one of the subverted Secret Service guys). Admittedly, the ease with which the attack was smoothed over and the extinguisher removed from evidence strains credibility, but with nothing to connect Vic to the attack, they had no choice but to accept his order as acting President. (I'm not sure this fits perfectly with American constitutional law as it stands -- that is, in RealLife there may have to be some sort of official declaration of the President's incapacity before the Vice President can assume his powers -- but don't quote me on that. It's not quite my field, or at least not my specialty.))
* I read the condom scene more as him getting a thrill from asserting his authority over the poor, traumatized Secret Service agent than anything else.
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*** Vic didn't ''personally'' attack the President. No one saw who did (although it was presumably one of the subverted Secret Service guys). Admittedly, the ease with which the attack was smoothed over and the extinguisher removed from evidence strains credibility, but with nothing to connect Vic to the attack, they had no choice but to accept his order as acting President. (I'm not sure this fits perfectly with American constitutional law as it stands -- that is, in RealLife there may have to be some sort of official declaration of the President's incapacity before the Vice President can assume his powers -- but don't quote me on that. It's not quite my field, or at least not my specialty.)

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** Actually, if they guy can read lines convincingly then you could probably make it. Not trying to knock Sarah Palin here, but when she was off script, she was very incoherent, didn't stop her from being taken seriously.

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** * Actually, if they guy can read lines convincingly then you could probably make it. Not trying to knock Sarah Palin here, but when she was off script, she was very incoherent, didn't stop her from being taken seriously.seriously.
** But that part where he attacks the President with a fire extinguisher? Why didn't they shoot him for high treason and then tell the fighters to shoot?
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This guy just totally destroys suspension of disbelief. A borderline retard who can barely speak coherently and can't even put on a condom? That's something you'd expect in {{Preacher}}, [[BerthaInTheAttic in a locked basement]] somewhere, but absolutely not in politics.

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This guy just totally destroys suspension of disbelief. A borderline retard who can barely speak coherently and can't even put on a condom? That's something you'd expect in {{Preacher}}, [[BerthaInTheAttic in a locked basement]] somewhere, but absolutely not in politics.politics.
**Actually, if they guy can read lines convincingly then you could probably make it. Not trying to knock Sarah Palin here, but when she was off script, she was very incoherent, didn't stop her from being taken seriously.

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