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* Actually, if they the guy can read lines convincingly then you could probably make it. Not trying to knock Sarah Palin here, but when she was off script, she was somewhat incoherent, didn't stop her from being taken seriously.
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** We know for a fact that non-Vought superheroes exist in this world. Love Sausage was one, since he was part of a team called "The Glorious Five-Year Plan" who were created in Russia (incidentally also proving that the United States is not the only country with the ability to create superheroes). Probably not coincidentally, he's the most straightforwardly heroic character in the comic, with probably the fewest wrongdoings to his name of the entire main cast. If Love Sausage is any indication, superheroes from other creators probably don't have the problems that the ones from Vought do.
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** We have to be honest, here, and acknowledge that the series' use of "power corrupts" is just an excuse to make [[CaptainErsatz Captain Ersatzes]] of famous superheroes evil, which in turn is an excuse for Ennis to show his Punisher Expy/ AuthorAvatar brutally killing them, but it isn't that bad an excuse in-universe, even if the comic goes way overboard on making the Supes evil. In a world where a single, evil corporation has a monopoly on being a superhero (or at least one that gets any public exposure), and they make being a Supe all about publicity stunts, movie deals, sponsorships, etc instead of fighting supervillains or helping people, then it's more believable that, when random people get powers, the Supe lifestyle with Vought will attract just as many if not more people more interested in fortune and fame than in helping people, and if removed from all consequences except their fame and fortune being taken away if they don't follow Vought's orders, would be willing to do bad things, which would erode their consciences if they had any to begin with (which is kind of the point of Maeve). Presumably, anyone with superpowers and strong consciences who signed up with Vought left them after being asked to do something horrible, and so get no public exposure and aren't relevant to the story.
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** We know for a fact that non-Vought superheroes exist in this world. Love Sausage was one, since he was part of a team called "The Glorious Five-Year Plan" who were created in Russia (incidentally also proving that the United States is not the only country with the ability to create superheroes). Probably not coincidentally, he's the most straightforwardly heroic character in the comic, with probably the fewest wrongdoings to his name of the entire main cast. If Love Sausage is any indication, superheroes from other creators probably don't have the problems that the ones from Vought do.
** We know for a fact that non-Vought superheroes exist in this world. Love Sausage was one, since he was part of a team called "The Glorious Five-Year Plan" who were created in Russia (incidentally also proving that the United States is not the only country with the ability to create superheroes). Probably not coincidentally, he's the most straightforwardly heroic character in the comic, with probably the fewest wrongdoings to his name of the entire main cast. If Love Sausage is any indication, superheroes from other creators probably don't have the problems that the ones from Vought do.
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* He's insane. He went insane from being forced to treat Homelander like a friend for so many years, he just wants it to be over. [[spoiler: Even when Butcher kills him, he still dies with a crazed smile on his face, showing how far he is gone.]]
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Okay, so even ''if'' [[spoiler: Black Noir got the green light to kill Homelander]], what does he expect to happen ''after'' [[spoiler: he fulfilled his one purpose]]? If anything, [[spoiler: the company would try to kill him because [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they have no need for him]].]]
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This guy just totally destroys suspension of disbelief. A borderline retard who can barely speak coherently and can't even put on a condom? That's something you'd expect in ComicBook/{{Preacher}}, [[BerthaInTheAttic in a locked basement]] somewhere, but absolutely not in politics.
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This guy just totally destroys suspension of disbelief. A borderline retard who can barely speak coherently and can't even put on a condom? That's something you'd expect in ComicBook/{{Preacher}}, [[BerthaInTheAttic [[MadwomanInTheAttic in a locked basement]] somewhere, but absolutely not in politics.
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They say that the Homelander and the Seven come from Stormfront's DNA, right? So, when Maeve and Stormfront had a relationship, it was father-daughter incest? Or what it would happen if ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and ComicBook/{{X-23}} from X-Men had a relationship...
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They say that the Homelander and the Seven come from Stormfront's DNA, right? So, when Maeve and Stormfront had a relationship, it was father-daughter incest? Or what it would happen if ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and ComicBook/{{X-23}} ComicBook/{{X 23}} from X-Men had a relationship...
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** It's mentioned that they did fail, until they created Homelander, and changed their company name to Vought American, it's an actual used business tactic, if your company is failing, just file for bankruptcy, give it a while, change your name and hire all the same people back.
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* Butcher mentions it's a pure shot of V, tweaked to only give them super strength and durability, maybe speed, it's actually a small bit of ForeShadowing, being that V is notorious InUniverse for being unpredictable in what it actually does to someone, but he can easily get one that does exactly what they want.
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**** He ''did'' personally attack the President, the fire extinguisher is right at his feet, there is no way ''not a single soul'' in that room couldn't put two and two together, which leads me to believe either they are all as dumb as Vic, or most were on the payroll.
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Did Tek-Knight actually go into orbit, or was that a DyingDream caused by his taking a brick to the head?
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Did the Compund V the Boys were injected with permanently enhance them or was it was it one of those watered-down variants Butcher mentioned?
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** We have to be honest, here, and acknowledge that the series' use of "power corrupts" is just an excuse to make [[CaptainErsatz Captain Ersatzes]] of famous superheroes evil, which in turn is an excuse for Ennis to show his Punisher Expy/ AuthorAvatar brutally killing them, but it isn't that bad an excuse in-universe, even if the comic goes way overboard on making the Supes evil. In a world where a single, evil corporation has a monopoly on being a superhero (or at least one that gets any public exposure), and they make being a Supe all about publicity stunts, movie deals, sponsorships, etc instead of fighting supervillains or helping people, then it's more believable that, when random people get powers, the Supe lifestyle with Vought will attract just as many if not more people more interested in fortune and fame than in helping people, and if removed from all consequences except their fame and fortune being taken away if they don't follow Vought's orders, would be willing to do bad things, which would erode their consciences if they had any to begin with (which is kind of the point of Maeve). Presumably, anyone with superpowers and strong consciences who signed up with Vought left them after being asked to do something horrible, and so get no public exposure and aren't relevant to the story.
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** Even if a kill switch was possible, considering what it took to bring Homelander down, Vought is very much not big on foresight about anything besides accountability. Nobody cares about having a fallback plan, because fallback plans ''cost money''.
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** The simple answer is that ti was prohibitively expensive, a single shot of compound v costs 19 billion dollars, for that money you'd be better off buying normal military hardware or training normal troops.
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** The thesis of the series is that power, image-obsession and unqualified public adoration are inherently corrupting influences. We're supposed to sympathize with this concept because we no doubt can recall examples of scandalous misconduct from movie stars, music stars, sports stars, et cetera. It would be a bit absurd to portray all celebrities like this, but this story leans rather cheerfully into absurdity.
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** The thesis of the series is that power, image-obsession and unqualified public adoration are inherently corrupting influences. We're supposed to sympathize with this concept because we no doubt can recall examples of scandalous misconduct from movie stars, music stars, sports stars, et cetera. It would be a bit absurd to portray all celebrities like this, but Presumably non-celebrity heroes in this story leans rather cheerfully into absurdity.setting, if there are any, aren't as maladjusted, or are maladjusted in other ways.
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*** Interesting bit of FridgeLogic: if most villains would cheerfully turn "heroic" for money, we can assume the only remaining villains are genuinely committed to their goals, possibly acting out of mental illness, or otherwise not in it for the money. So arguably they'd be more sympathetic than the "heroes". There's a good chance they're either sincerely attempting rehabilitation, executed, or not well enough to repeatedly escape prison.
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** WordOfGod is that Vic was supposed to be "the most grotesque parody of Bush, Jr. imaginable," so yeah, RuleOfFunny (or rule of crassness).
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** To be fair, there are a few decent superheroes in The Boys Universe. The naive but noble-hearted and noble-minded Starlight, the childish but caring superhero team Super Duper, and Queen Maeve, who even though she became cynical she at least started as idealistic, kind, and compassionate and even afterwards she still had enough of a heart to go as far as even serve as an informant for the Boys.
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** To be fair, there are a few decent superheroes in The Boys Universe. The naive but noble-hearted and noble-minded Starlight, the childish but caring superhero team Super Duper, and Queen Maeve, who even though she became cynical she at least started as idealistic, kind, and compassionate and even afterwards she still had enough of a heart to go as far as even serve as an informant for the Boys.
Boys, defended Starlight against those who tried to force Starlight to wear skimpy attire, and even bravely fought against Homelander and courageously sacrificed herself to save Starlight.
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Much is made in the series about how the superheroes are powerful but don't really know how to use those powers, and that's how the team manages to take them down. That's the theory. But what actually happens is that the superheroes are ''much'' weaker than the Boys. The first fight we see has the Boys ambushed and the ''opponents'' showing some tactical thinking which is proven meaningless by the sheer power of the Boys. Even Hugie manages to get a kill a more experienced opponent, and the Legend straight-up tells him that he is better than four superhoes out of five due to the compound V in his system alone. Stormfront is the only enemy they actually fight who is stronger than any one of them individually, but then goes after the whole group (plus Vas) alone allowing himself to be zerg-rushed, and when they are faced by enemies that they can't merely outnumber or overpower they win because someone else arrives fixing the problem for them. So why are they considered a team taking down more powerful foes throught tactics and teamwork while they actually are just a bigger fished being summoned?
Much is made in the series about how the superheroes are powerful but don't really know how to use those powers, and that's how the team manages to take them down. That's the theory. But what actually happens is that the superheroes are ''much'' weaker than the Boys. The first fight we see has the Boys ambushed and the ''opponents'' showing some tactical thinking which is proven meaningless by the sheer power of the Boys. Even Hugie manages to get a kill a more experienced opponent, and the Legend straight-up tells him that he is better than four superhoes out of five due to the compound V in his system alone. Stormfront is the only enemy they actually fight who is stronger than any one of them individually, but then goes after the whole group (plus Vas) alone allowing himself to be zerg-rushed, and when they are faced by enemies that they can't merely outnumber or overpower they win because someone else arrives fixing the problem for them. So why are they considered a team taking down more powerful foes throught tactics and teamwork while they actually are just a bigger fished being summoned?
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When Mallory talks about the first iteration of Payback and their failure, he claims that the failure was due to Soldier Boy sending flying scouts ahead, so German sentinels noticed them, hid and followed them to the american camp. But why didn't the american sentinels spot them as well?
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* The point is, you don't even *need* to know that there is a clone around to have the first doubt. Is a universe were both superpowers and photo/video editing exist, and no one knew the true source of the pictures or their objectives but the Homelander didn't remember doing those things (and, while he was a pretty horrible person already, he was pretty open about it, not to mention likely not smart enough to hide it). There are dozens of other possible explanations, and yet no one seems to consider them. Not even the "competence vs incompetence" holds, first because such a level of incompetence would make impossible for the Vouch-America to even exist, let alone being a powerful corporation running a multi-billion bussiness, second because even the supposedly clever and competent characters fail to see that and just fall for it. It becomes so blatant that it only happens because the plot requires it to happen that is painful.
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** Which raises another question: why not just sell the Compound V to trained military forces? Just imagine someone like Butcher on the battlefield. They would also be individuals already psychologically evaluated to make sure they won't go off the rails and would require much less trouble to cover up. I mean, look at Nagasaki and Hiroshima: the mass-destruction they would cause could be downright ''celebrated'', particularly in a grimdark universe like that, so why going on with the whole failing superhero charade?
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* So, question: How the ''fuck'' did Vought-American manage to live from the 40s to the story's present day with all of the shit that they tried and horrifically failed? Bad combat boots, getting ''two'' Army units wiped out through both stupidity and faulty equipment, and now a product that attempted to take over the government and had a ''huge'' press leak that showed just how terrible their superheroes were as people. You would think that after decades of nothing but failures they would be completely and utterly sunk, even before they created superheroes.
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* So, question: How the ''fuck'' did Vought-American manage to live from the 40s to the story's present day with all of the shit that they tried and horrifically failed? Bad combat boots, getting ''two'' Army units wiped out through both stupidity and faulty equipment, and now a product that attempted to take over the government and had a ''huge'' press leak that showed just how terrible their superheroes were as people. You would think that after decades of nothing but failures they would be completely and utterly sunk, even before they created superheroes.
