History Headscratchers / TheBigBangTheory

10th May '18 5:05:47 PM Streakofscarlet
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** It doesn't appear to have a "trope" application to it; Penny refers to 11 years of the story passing by in the current season (well, "current" in that it's finishing right now). Which is how many years since the show began in 2007.
10th May '18 12:14:28 PM Merseyuser1
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** Normally I'll agree with you he is an ass but there is explanations for the relationships in the series, and it's not only because all 3 of the other guys are spineless. According to Sheldon himself he has 3 friends, Penny Raj and Leonard (not including Amy at the time). It's established early on that Sheldon is very similar to Leonard's mother, which might explain why Leonard hasn't left the apartment years ago, since he really craves for her approval and is used to this kind of treatment. Howard and Raj said that they hang out with Sheldon because "they like Leonard". Also Leonard might feel he owes Sheldon since shortly after he moved in Sheldon saved his life (The story of how the elevator broke). Raj has the least regular conflicts with Sheldon, and actually worked with him. Howard has more than once showed his willingness to establish friendship between them, and really only "hate" him because of Sheldon's disrespect to his work and profession. Penny had her problems with him but her mooching off them, and later her relationship with Leonard forced her to be around him and it is hinted that Sheldon kept "training" her to be less annoying to him and behaving more to his liking even after the episode he explicitly did it. Essentially it boils down to necessity and habits - so no normal person with any other options would[[/folder]]

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** Normally I'll agree with you he is an ass but there is explanations for the relationships in the series, and it's not only because all 3 of the other guys are spineless. According to Sheldon himself he has 3 friends, Penny Raj and Leonard (not including Amy at the time). It's established early on that Sheldon is very similar to Leonard's mother, which might explain why Leonard hasn't left the apartment years ago, since he really craves for her approval and is used to this kind of treatment. Howard and Raj said that they hang out with Sheldon because "they like Leonard". Also Leonard might feel he owes Sheldon since shortly after he moved in Sheldon saved his life (The story of how the elevator broke). Raj has the least regular conflicts with Sheldon, and actually worked with him. Howard has more than once showed his willingness to establish friendship between them, and really only "hate" him because of Sheldon's disrespect to his work and profession. Penny had her problems with him but her mooching off them, and later her relationship with Leonard forced her to be around him and it is hinted that Sheldon kept "training" her to be less annoying to him and behaving more to his liking even after the episode he explicitly did it. Essentially it boils down to necessity and habits - so no normal person with any other options would[[/folder]]would[[/folder]]
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* Does this show run on WebcomicTime? This partially relates to a question about Raj's visa status further up the page. I don't think this show has ComicBookTime. What's the actual passage of time on the show??
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28th Apr '18 12:49:14 AM Scsigs
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* Leonard is depicted on board the research ship in the North Sea, at a late rowdy party. Somebody calls "Iceberg!" He explains to a worried Penny over the Internet link that there's no danger - every time somebody spots an iceberg, they have to take a drink. It must be a dry ship or a very teetotal party, then. Icebergs as good as ''never'' enter the North Sea. This is a body of water in northern Europe with only two ways of entering it from the Atlantic: the northern gap between Scotland and Norway, or else via the English Channel to the south. The Gulf Stream surges up the coast of Britain and Ireland drawing warm water from the Carribean: while icebergs calved in Arctic waters do drift this south, this is where they come to die. They have melted in the Gulf Stream long before they can get into the North Sea. Bit of a fail here! I've taken ferries from Britain to Norway and Denmark in winter - never seen an iceberg, not even ''once''.

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* Leonard is depicted on board the research ship in the North Sea, at a late rowdy party. Somebody calls "Iceberg!" He explains to a worried Penny over the Internet link that there's no danger - every time somebody spots an iceberg, they have to take a drink. It must be a dry ship or a very teetotal party, then. Icebergs as good as ''never'' enter the North Sea. This is a body of water in northern Europe with only two ways of entering it from the Atlantic: the northern gap between Scotland and Norway, or else via the English Channel to the south. The Gulf Stream surges up the coast of Britain and Ireland drawing warm water from the Carribean: Caribbean: while icebergs calved in Arctic waters do drift this south, this is where they come to die. They have melted in the Gulf Stream long before they can get into the North Sea. Bit of a fail here! I've taken ferries from Britain to Norway and Denmark in winter - never seen an iceberg, not even ''once''.



** Interesting point. Thinking about it, model railway fans, whilst not being complete obsessives, allow it to take over all aspects of their life to the point where devoting attention to anything else is done reluctantly and resentfully. If Sheldon had a dedicated railway room (and here I wonder - why waste a spare bedroom on a pesky Room Mate?) he'd be in there 'all the time'' and nothing else would get done, not even the physics... which screws the show. I've also caught up with an orphaned episode where he buys a dissappointingly minimalist train set that just chugs around in a circle on a table-top. I gather before this, he was hooked on what we in Europe would call 0-gauge, which is big-scale: this is where you start thinking about having permanent way outdoors in a garden, or a small field. It's at the big end of indoor. In this episode, Sheldon is persuaded to step down to the smaller 00-gauge (about 1:87). He then steps beyond this to N-gauge (1:144) in a passion of miniaturisation.

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** Interesting point. Thinking about it, model railway fans, whilst not being complete obsessives, allow it to take over all aspects of their life to the point where devoting attention to anything else is done reluctantly and resentfully. If Sheldon had a dedicated railway room (and here I wonder - why waste a spare bedroom on a pesky Room Mate?) he'd be in there 'all the time'' and nothing else would get done, not even the physics... which screws the show. I've also caught up with an orphaned episode where he buys a dissappointingly disappointingly minimalist train set that just chugs around in a circle on a table-top. I gather before this, he was hooked on what we in Europe would call 0-gauge, which is big-scale: this is where you start thinking about having permanent way outdoors in a garden, or a small field. It's at the big end of indoor. In this episode, Sheldon is persuaded to step down to the smaller 00-gauge (about 1:87). He then steps beyond this to N-gauge (1:144) in a passion of miniaturisation.miniaturization.



*** It would depend on the brand. Some trains (especially those in starter sets) are more toylike than models, with moulded-on details that aren't that breakable. Then again, there's a question of grease...

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*** It would depend on the brand. Some trains (especially those in starter sets) are more toylike toy-like than models, with moulded-on molded-on details that aren't that breakable. Then again, there's a question of grease...



** Howard does have at least one expense the others don't, too. Unlike Leonard and Sheldon, Howard obviously has a massive wardrobe and both he and Raj are interested in (though not adept at) fashion. One of the bonus features included in the dvd sets shows that while there is one wardrobe room for the characters of Raj, Sheldon and Leonard, there is a completely separate room for Howard's wardrobe. On top of his many pants, shirts, jackets, shoes, etc, he also has hundreds of belt buckles and a fairly large collection of miscellaneous pins and accessories (which tend to be pretty expensive to collect). It's reasonable to assume that a significant portion of his salary is going toward these things, whereas Leonard and Sheldon seem to have a much more reasonable rotation of t-shirts, pants and jackets.

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** Howard does have at least one expense the others don't, too. Unlike Leonard and Sheldon, Howard obviously has a massive wardrobe and both he and Raj are interested in (though not adept at) fashion. One of the bonus features included in the dvd DVD sets shows that while there is one wardrobe room for the characters of Raj, Sheldon and Leonard, there is a completely separate room for Howard's wardrobe. On top of his many pants, shirts, jackets, shoes, etc, he also has hundreds of belt buckles and a fairly large collection of miscellaneous pins and accessories (which tend to be pretty expensive to collect). It's reasonable to assume that a significant portion of his salary is going toward these things, whereas Leonard and Sheldon seem to have a much more reasonable rotation of t-shirts, pants and jackets.



** Umm,since lasers don't really ''stop'', wouldn't that just punch a hole through the bottom of the cup?

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** Umm,since Umm, since lasers don't really ''stop'', wouldn't that just punch a hole through the bottom of the cup?



** Also remember they're not movie lasers, they're meant to be more realistic. Remember when Leonard mentions that he's being funded to see if he can use lasers to shoot down missiles, Penny asks him if that's possible and he gives a merry "Oh ''hell'' no!" The lasers in the caltech lab are basically equivalent to a really good magnifying glass and the noonday sun (as seen when they're again being used recreationally, this time for Leonard to blow off steam by setting action figures on fire with them).

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** Also remember they're not movie lasers, they're meant to be more realistic. Remember when Leonard mentions that he's being funded to see if he can use lasers to shoot down missiles, Penny asks him if that's possible and he gives a merry "Oh ''hell'' no!" The lasers in the caltech Caltech lab are basically equivalent to a really good magnifying glass and the noonday sun (as seen when they're again being used recreationally, this time for Leonard to blow off steam by setting action figures on fire with them).



** On the other hand they have spent 3 months in closed environment in limited group. The tensions do get up and there are similar problems (it is considered one of the problems with space travel - the people travelling on Mars in a closed environment could just start fighting).

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** On the other hand they have spent 3 months in closed environment in limited group. The tensions do get up and there are similar problems (it is considered one of the problems with space travel - the people travelling traveling on Mars in a closed environment could just start fighting).



** To try and answer the main topic of this headscratcher, I always assumed that the reason Sheldon was the only one who got his reputation tarnished and not the other guys who were there was because he was trying to take credit for the discovery. I don't recall him ever saying in the episode that "we" proved string theory; it's likely that as leader of the expidition he decided to send out an email boasting about "his" discovery without mentioning his friends and coworkers. It fits his characterization; he's always been pretty self-centred and kind of a credit hog. While I'm sure that eventually he would have admitted that the rest of the group provided important contributions, it's likely that he put off crediting them in the original, self-congratulatory email. By trying to claim the lion's share of the credit, he also inadvertently claimed the lion's share of the fallout when the truth came to light.

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** To try and answer the main topic of this headscratcher, I always assumed that the reason Sheldon was the only one who got his reputation tarnished and not the other guys who were there was because he was trying to take credit for the discovery. I don't recall him ever saying in the episode that "we" proved string theory; it's likely that as leader of the expidition expedition he decided to send out an email boasting about "his" discovery without mentioning his friends and coworkers. It fits his characterization; he's always been pretty self-centred self-centered and kind of a credit hog. While I'm sure that eventually he would have admitted that the rest of the group provided important contributions, it's likely that he put off crediting them in the original, self-congratulatory email. By trying to claim the lion's share of the credit, he also inadvertently claimed the lion's share of the fallout when the truth came to light.



** Sheldon shouldn't have announced his "discovery" that soon. But it wouldn't have made much difference if he hadn't. He would have been sparred the embarrassment, but the whole research would have still been ruined because the experiment had been tampered with. As far as the guys had known, the monopolars could have been present at the time they used the can opener to tamper with the results. Keeping an original data means nothing. You don't ruin an important and expensive research because you can't handle the authority. Especially if you already have a bad track record with the equipment (almost revealing secrets to a North Korean spy, messing with Mars rover...)  Heck, Leonard would have been dead or in prison if it weren't for Sheldon. But Leonard having to put up with Sheldon's behavior (which he had witnessed and agreed to before signing the Roommate Agreement) is outrageous. Double standards of the highest caliber. It seems to me that some people can't like Leonard or other guys unless they argue he can do no wrong and have to portray Sheldon as the worst possible human being in order to do so.

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** Sheldon shouldn't have announced his "discovery" that soon. But it wouldn't have made much difference if he hadn't. He would have been sparred the embarrassment, but the whole research would have still been ruined because the experiment had been tampered with. As far as the guys had known, the monopolars monopoles could have been present at the time they used the can opener to tamper with the results. Keeping an original data means nothing. You don't ruin an important and expensive research because you can't handle the authority. Especially if you already have a bad track record with the equipment (almost revealing secrets to a North Korean spy, messing with Mars rover...)  Heck, Leonard would have been dead or in prison if it weren't for Sheldon. But Leonard having to put up with Sheldon's behavior (which he had witnessed and agreed to before signing the Roommate Agreement) is outrageous. Double standards of the highest caliber. It seems to me that some people can't like Leonard or other guys unless they argue he can do no wrong and have to portray Sheldon as the worst possible human being in order to do so.



* While the first Wheaton episode (involving the card games) was excellent, I didn't really care for how the card game was treated. It was specifically called a "customizable card game" but if it's so "customizable" how can Sheldon predict what other people put into their decks? Granted it could work if absolutely everybody in the tournament was netdecking perfectly, but not everybody does that and in just about every CCG people tend to include cards for"shock value" ie. cards that don't show up enough to be counted on. The only way I could see Sheldon knowing what people have in their decks is to have either looked at each and every one of them before hand or looked at the deck sheet.

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* While the first Wheaton episode (involving the card games) was excellent, I didn't really care for how the card game was treated. It was specifically called a "customizable card game" but if it's so "customizable" how can Sheldon predict what other people put into their decks? Granted it could work if absolutely everybody in the tournament was netdecking perfectly, but not everybody does that and in just about every CCG people tend to include cards for"shock value" ie.i.e. cards that don't show up enough to be counted on. The only way I could see Sheldon knowing what people have in their decks is to have either looked at each and every one of them before hand or looked at the deck sheet.



* In the episode where the guys create a phone app, their app is that you take a picture of an equation and you're given an answer. Penny comes in part way through the episode and says she has an idea for an app, which is that you take a picture of a pair or shoes and it tells you what kind they are. Her idea is considered stupid. But they're basically the same thing except one has math and the other has shoes. So why is her's considered stupid?

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* In the episode where the guys create a phone app, their app is that you take a picture of an equation and you're given an answer. Penny comes in part way through the episode and says she has an idea for an app, which is that you take a picture of a pair or shoes and it tells you what kind they are. Her idea is considered stupid. But they're basically the same thing except one has math and the other has shoes. So why is her's hers' considered stupid?



** Yes, the issue isnít how powerful Aquaman can potentially be, the issue is whether he is a cool superhero or a lame superhero. If Raj thought Aquaman was a cool superhero, he been glad to play him regardless of whether he was a low-powered adventurer or a cosmic Superman. If Raj thinks Aquaman is a dork, the fact that he was given massive powerups donít make him cool, they make him a CreatorsPet. Imagine if they were going as supervillains, and Raj got stuck as Bat-Mite. Sure, heís nigh-omnipotent, but who cares? Itís embarassing!

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** Yes, the issue isnít how powerful Aquaman can potentially be, the issue is whether he is a cool superhero or a lame superhero. If Raj thought Aquaman was a cool superhero, he been glad to play him regardless of whether he was a low-powered adventurer or a cosmic Superman. If Raj thinks Aquaman is a dork, the fact that he was given massive powerups power-ups donít make him cool, they make him a CreatorsPet. Imagine if they were going as supervillains, and Raj got stuck as Bat-Mite. Sure, heís nigh-omnipotent, but who cares? Itís embarassing!



** Indeed. My irritation with Wesley story lines had more to do with the willfull AgentScully - ing of the other characters when he'd try to explain his latest day-saving idea. Jesus people, he's already saved the day 12 times this season, d'ya think you could at least hear the kid out?

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** Indeed. My irritation with Wesley story lines had more to do with the willfull willful AgentScully - ing of the other characters when he'd try to explain his latest day-saving idea. Jesus people, he's already saved the day 12 times this season, d'ya think you could at least hear the kid out?
24th Mar '18 4:11:01 PM nombretomado
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* That makes sense, but it still JustBugsMe. Traditionally, Jewish funerals have to take place by sundown the following day (they're not embalmed, either, usually). She wouldn't have been flown back to California. She would have been buried in Florida, if they'd done it correctly.

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* That makes sense, but it still JustBugsMe. Traditionally, traditionally, Jewish funerals have to take place by sundown the following day (they're not embalmed, either, usually). She wouldn't have been flown back to California. She would have been buried in Florida, if they'd done it correctly.
12th Mar '18 3:25:31 PM Eagal
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* In the first episode of the 5th season the guys are in the university's cafeteria arguing about the aftermath of Raj and Penny sleeping together. Leonard and Howard and rightly pissed at Raj for throwing a wrench in the group's friendship, but then it quickly devolves into an argument on how Raj claims to be Penny's second choice after Leonard, only for Howard to say that it could had been him if he wasn't engaged, only for Leonard to state that she would have preferred Sheldon before considering him. Sure, it may sound funny at first, but the more I think about it, the more it seems that, despite all the years and everything the five of them have gone through together, deep down they still see Penny as prize to be won. Then again, Penny as a character is still defined by her relationship with the guys over anything else, along with Raj, she's among the characters with less development.
** Yeah, this show is pretty bad when it comes to her character. I mean, it's been five years and she hasn't even been given a last name. I don't think it's just the characters that think she's the prize to be won, the writers seem to feel the same.

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4th Mar '18 8:33:51 PM nombretomado
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** [[VitriolicBestBuds We have a trope for that.]] Add in that it's been established that Penny respects all the guys for their intelligence (with Sheldon being the smartest). Sheldon also admires Penny's ability to [[StreetSmarts read people]]. They have also been very helpful to each other over the years.

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** [[VitriolicBestBuds We have a trope for that.]] Add in that it's been established that Penny respects all the guys for their intelligence (with Sheldon being the smartest). Sheldon also admires Penny's ability to [[StreetSmarts [[StreetSmart read people]]. They have also been very helpful to each other over the years.
17th Feb '18 10:34:31 PM nombretomado
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* There is this episode in which Sheldon and Amy disagree over the question concerning what kind couple-costumes for Halloween to wear. Amy obviously wants something romantic (e.g. Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet), while Sheldon has only extremely nerdy costume ideas (e.g. [[Franchise/StarWars R2D2 and C3-PO]]). They eventually have a compromise in the form of RaggedyAnn and Raggedy C3-PO. But I wonder why another - very obvious - idea for a compromise wasn't even mentioned: Namely Pierre & Marie Curie, a married couple who were also both very important scientists. Amy even once compared herself and Sheldon with the Curies in an earlier episode, so it's not as if they are unknown to them (Which would be ''very'' hard to believe anyway.) And mentioning the Curies as costume idea wouldn't necessarily have meant to sacrifice the final gag - just let Amy come up with the idea and let Sheldon immediately shoot it down with some weird Sheldon-typical reason why this isn't an option.

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* There is this episode in which Sheldon and Amy disagree over the question concerning what kind couple-costumes for Halloween to wear. Amy obviously wants something romantic (e.g. Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet), while Sheldon has only extremely nerdy costume ideas (e.g. [[Franchise/StarWars R2D2 and C3-PO]]). They eventually have a compromise in the form of RaggedyAnn Literature/RaggedyAnn and Raggedy C3-PO. But I wonder why another - very obvious - idea for a compromise wasn't even mentioned: Namely Pierre & Marie Curie, a married couple who were also both very important scientists. Amy even once compared herself and Sheldon with the Curies in an earlier episode, so it's not as if they are unknown to them (Which would be ''very'' hard to believe anyway.) And mentioning the Curies as costume idea wouldn't necessarily have meant to sacrifice the final gag - just let Amy come up with the idea and let Sheldon immediately shoot it down with some weird Sheldon-typical reason why this isn't an option.
29th Dec '17 4:43:24 PM Streakofscarlet
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** To clarify, the teddy bear with the webcam was much later on (though it was mentioned in passing, so it could have been before), and gained a more "gasp + laugh" reaction from the audience than the typical laughter. The filming up her skirt was actually ''in'' The Killer Robot Instability. Also, going nuclear on him did not work. It actually had the opposite effect than intended. It ''reversed'' Howard's funk and made him think he was halfway to pity sex. So the status quo is restored, and Howard goes right back to making sexual come-ons every episode. Talk about a missed moral.
28th Dec '17 2:10:35 PM nombretomado
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** It's kind of like Bloo in FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends who has trouble with grasping sarcasm but often uses it without his knowing (as Mac and Frankie pointed out when teaching it to him). Also, it was to add some consistency to series continuity. Sheldon if you remember in episode one (and to a lesser extent, episode two) was the DeadpanSnarker of the series. Its reappearance in later episodes is a classic case of ForgotFlandersCouldDoThat.

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** It's kind of like Bloo in FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends ''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends'' who has trouble with grasping sarcasm but often uses it without his knowing (as Mac and Frankie pointed out when teaching it to him). Also, it was to add some consistency to series continuity. Sheldon if you remember in episode one (and to a lesser extent, episode two) was the DeadpanSnarker of the series. Its reappearance in later episodes is a classic case of ForgotFlandersCouldDoThat.
28th Dec '17 8:07:10 AM Cryoclaste
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** So... Enchanted Bunny is the game's version of [[{{Pokemon}} Magikarp]]?

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** So... Enchanted Bunny is the game's version of [[{{Pokemon}} [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Magikarp]]?
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