History Headscratchers / SwordArtOnline

24th Mar '17 6:44:28 PM yaq
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***You don't just test for game bugs, they had an AI to do so. You test if the connection is stable and if player input is translated correctly, with the least latency. Thats tweaking you need beta testers for.
24th Mar '17 6:30:32 PM yaq
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*** You forget one thing - are these players that time sleep even in the same hospital? Its nurses maybe recognizing sleep patterns, to coordinate them is impossible. SOS might be possible, but then it will tell the outside "we are in trouble", what they already know. To then time morse code to communicate would require a person to be used as a communication device - reminding me of hybrids in Battlestar Galactica. Not a nice way and nobody would think of it in-universe.
24th Mar '17 6:04:11 PM yaq
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*** I'm one of these guys that keeps the internet connection running, we desperatly try to keep those villages online. My point is, the connection does not work that way. 10.000 people should be enough to guarantee a 1000, at least, to experience loss of connection for more than the grace period. "Has really good wifi" can't be an excuse. Considering needed bandwith i just hope people playing had 24h support for an FTTH, Fibre to the Home, Glass fibre cable into your appartment, connection. Else they are toast.
23rd Feb '17 12:54:03 AM leoryff
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*** There was a dounjinshi released that Reki Kawahara might have had a hand in that focused on that particular boss. The field boss was a giant monster with an armored front stationed in a narrow canyon. The canyon walls were too steep to climb and the monster was too big to maneuver around, so players had no way to access it's weak spot. Asuna's plan involved leading it to a village at the opening of the canyon. (And honestly, no one else could figure out how to beat it without massive casualties.) It wasn't until they triggered an in town event with the NPCs that they found a way to put the boss to sleep so they could climb over it and attack from behind.
6th Feb '17 9:46:25 PM Kayube
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* SAO could easily have been set up to kill all the players if it detected any attempt to hack everyone free from outside. Alternately, this could have been part of the above-mentioned deal with law enforcement; Kayaba allowed the players to be moved on the condition that nobody try to interfere in the game.
6th Feb '17 6:59:09 PM neonthefox12
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[[folder:Where are the government hackers, white hat hackers and Anonymous during the death game?]]
* Seriously, here we have one of the largest hostage situations in human history and its based around being stuck in a computer. Hell, even Kirito was able to hack Sword Art Online WHILE INSIDE THE GAME! ALso, the fact that it took 2 YEARS for the people to be free. I understand that it would take time to free the people in SAO, but still, THIS IS THE LARGEST HOSTAGE SITUATION IN HUMAN HISTORY! Governments would be involved. A combination of civilian and governmental hackers and computer experts should have been able to free the people of SAO before Kirito ended the event. Its understandable of the whole "Its a story, so there is suspense of disbelief" but this is a rather large suspense of disbelief.
1st Feb '17 12:19:49 AM darksoul4242
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* Okay just how was Sugou able to get to [[spoiler:the hospital before Kirito]] with his injuries? [[spoiler:While [[AnArmAndALeg the]] [[EyeScream actual]] [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe injuries]] didn't happen to his real body, wouldn't the sheer pain of it all had knocked him out or in need of heavy medication? This troper admits to neither be an expert in medicine, psychology, or whatever fields this fall into or have read the novels yet so can anyone clarify?]]

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* Okay just how was Sugou able to get to [[spoiler:the hospital before Kirito]] with his injuries? [[spoiler:While [[AnArmAndALeg the]] [[EyeScream actual]] [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe injuries]] didn't happen to his real body, wouldn't the sheer pain of it all had have knocked him out or in need of heavy medication? This troper admits to neither be being an expert in medicine, psychology, or whatever fields this fall falls into or have having read the novels yet yet, so can anyone clarify?]]



* After the original SAO incident, how did Kirito manage to get in touch with other players like Agil and Kline in real life? [[spoiler:He found out where Asuna was because he traded information to the Government, but there's no explanation given for how he meets other players, other than Agil contacting him via Email, which in itself raises further questions. ]]

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* After the original SAO incident, how did Kirito manage to get in touch with other players like Agil and Kline Klein in real life? [[spoiler:He found out where Asuna was because he traded information to the Government, but there's no explanation given for how he meets other players, other than Agil contacting him via Email, e-mail, which in itself raises further questions. ]]



** Sugou said one Full Dive capable server cost X0 mil. Assuming in yen, with the same exchange rate and neglectable inflation by 2024, that's X00k USD. Note that this doesn't makes him any less stupid, since he's knowingly taking a huge risk. A public server can be breached in any different number of ways, while a private one can only from inside the company. And Sugou's head of RECTO Progress (Full Drive division of RECTO, both research and games) and trusted by Mr. Yuuki as his own son, and by all rights should have the money for it. While it is a lot of money, he basically decided that preventing his mind-control plans from being discovered is not worth the money.
** My take was that ALO was basically just meant to be a cover story to explain why he has a VR-compatible server. He put ''just'' enough effort into the game to make it convincing. Aside from the quest to get infinite flight (which is UnwinabbleByDesign and doesn't exist past the first floor), the rest of the game appears to all be team PVP. That Asuna was in an area of the game people could even conceivably see instead of a side area you can only reach by teleporting was a mistake though.

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** Sugou said one Full Dive capable server cost X0 mil. Assuming in yen, with the same exchange rate and neglectable inflation by 2024, that's X00k USD. Note that this doesn't makes him any less stupid, since he's knowingly taking a huge risk. A public server can be breached in any different number of ways, while a private one can only from inside the company. And Sugou's head of RECTO Progress (Full Drive Dive division of RECTO, both research and games) and trusted by Mr. Yuuki as his own son, and by all rights should have the money for it. While it is a lot of money, he basically decided that preventing his mind-control plans from being discovered is not worth the money.
** My take was that ALO was basically just meant to be a cover story to explain why he has a VR-compatible server. He put ''just'' enough effort into the game to make it convincing. Aside from the quest to get infinite flight (which is UnwinabbleByDesign and doesn't exist past the first floor), the rest of the game appears to all be team PVP. That Asuna was in an area of the game people could even conceivably see instead of a side area you can only reach by teleporting was a mistake though.
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*** Which Sugo rushed to fix once he found out players were trying CrazyAwesome stunts, but it was too late.
1st Feb '17 12:12:40 AM darksoul4242
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** Not to mention that the governments probally made sure the hospitals had the most reliable connections.

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** Not to mention that the governments probally probably made sure the hospitals had the most reliable connections.


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** Now you probably know how a lot of people died in the first days.
1st Feb '17 12:08:18 AM darksoul4242
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** Because Kyouji is a lazy student who spend his time playing in GGO, his parents stopped giving him money because his bad notes.

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** Because Kyouji is a lazy student who spend his time playing in GGO, his parents stopped giving him money because of his bad notes.grades.
1st Feb '17 12:06:32 AM darksoul4242
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** That is correct: Kirito never attacked a Green Player. This is brought up in at least the Anime version, with Rosalia of Titan's Hand, where her mentions that she's a Green player, because she lures the victims to the rest of her guild, who then rob/assault/kill other players, and as means of instilling doubt into any who'd try bringing her to jail at risk of turning orange themselves. It's also mentioned the duel system is also abused to dodge being marked as an Outlaw, via Sleep PKs.

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** That is correct: Kirito never attacked a Green Player. This is brought up in at least the Anime version, with Rosalia of Titan's Hand, where her mentions that she's a Green player, because she lures the victims to the rest of her guild, who then rob/assault/kill other players, and as means of instilling doubt into any who'd try bringing her to jail at risk of turning orange themselves. It's also mentioned the duel system is also abused to dodge being marked as an Outlaw, via Sleep PKs.[=PKs=].



** Marriage in MMORPG is not uncommon, and there wasn't any legal issue about that, since only character marry, not the player. And since VRMMO was fairly new, in the novel, the government still have to do a lot of research on society effect of the game and doesn't seems ready for make law concern this matter yet. So mostly what happen in game does not concern government at the moment, unless player bring in-game issue out, which they will be tried under law.
** VRMMOs are still generally games. SAO is real. That was the point of it.

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** Marriage in MMORPG is not uncommon, and there wasn't any legal issue about that, since only character marry, not the player. And since VRMMO [=VRMMO=] was fairly new, in the novel, the government still have to do a lot of research on society effect of the game and doesn't seems ready for make law concern this matter yet. So mostly what happen in game does not concern government at the moment, unless player bring in-game issue out, which they will be tried under law.
** VRMMOs [=VRMMOs=] are still generally games. SAO is real. That was the point of it.



** Yeah, multiclienting. But multiclienting in a VRMMORRPG? How would that work?

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** Yeah, multiclienting. But multiclienting in a VRMMORRPG? [=VRMMORRPG=]? How would that work?



** Nitpick: SAO wasn't the first VR game, it was just the first one that was any good. So it had already been proven that it was perfectly possible to play these games safely; SAO was the exception. Furthermore, the [=NerveGear=] was scrapped and replaced with the [=AmuSphere=], a more advanced device with far more safety functions to prevent a repeat of the SAO incident (and apparently it worked, since it's noted that Sugou's mind control program would only work on the original [=NerveGear=]). Also remember that we only see the newer VRMMO's after they've been around for a while. Could be that at first it was just a dozen or hundred die-hards, and when they didn't fall into comas, people slowly realized it was safe and were willing to play them. Finally, virtual reality is ''cool''. There are always plenty of people willing to do things that seem stupid, simply because it's too awesome not to.

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** Nitpick: SAO wasn't the first VR game, it was just the first one that was any good. So it had already been proven that it was perfectly possible to play these games safely; SAO was the exception. Furthermore, the [=NerveGear=] was scrapped and replaced with the [=AmuSphere=], a more advanced device with far more safety functions to prevent a repeat of the SAO incident (and apparently it worked, since it's noted that Sugou's mind control program would only work on the original [=NerveGear=]). Also remember that we only see the newer VRMMO's [=VRMMO=]'s after they've been around for a while. Could be that at first it was just a dozen or hundred die-hards, and when they didn't fall into comas, people slowly realized it was safe and were willing to play them. Finally, virtual reality is ''cool''. There are always plenty of people willing to do things that seem stupid, simply because it's too awesome not to.



** We'd kind of have to see something happen if the semi-legal approach was being taken, especially since the narrative isn't strictly tied to one person's perspective but instead a impersonal omniscient third person. Given that, if it's not shown it didn't happen, especially since we have a government figure acting as a character. As for national security, America's since passed a Patriot Act that's part of the reason that the whole NSA controversy existed-- with somewhat slight hyperbole, walking while Pakistani (and while having a giant unkempt beard) on a street in New York is enough for secret agents to nab you off that street and put you on a boat to Guantanamo Bay for an indeterminate amount of time with no one knowing. A VRMMOFPS with realistic gun models hosted by a company with no disclosed private info (private or otherwise) that can shell millions of dollars to people that play their game suddenly has people die while playing the game. Post-9/11 America has proven that it'll suspect almost anybody and anything and go to even the legal and moral black-grey for the sake of national security (and this would concern them because there has to be people playing this game in the states for the servers to even be located in the country), and they wouldn't be suspicious enough of this given the aforementioned to even ''consider'' it?

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** We'd kind of have to see something happen if the semi-legal approach was being taken, especially since the narrative isn't strictly tied to one person's perspective but instead a impersonal omniscient third person. Given that, if it's not shown it didn't happen, especially since we have a government figure acting as a character. As for national security, America's since passed a Patriot Act that's part of the reason that the whole NSA controversy existed-- with somewhat slight hyperbole, walking while Pakistani (and while having a giant unkempt beard) on a street in New York is enough for secret agents to nab you off that street and put you on a boat to Guantanamo Bay for an indeterminate amount of time with no one knowing. A VRMMOFPS [=VRMMOFPS=] with realistic gun models hosted by a company with no disclosed private info (private or otherwise) that can shell millions of dollars to people that play their game suddenly has people die while playing the game. Post-9/11 America has proven that it'll suspect almost anybody and anything and go to even the legal and moral black-grey for the sake of national security (and this would concern them because there has to be people playing this game in the states for the servers to even be located in the country), and they wouldn't be suspicious enough of this given the aforementioned to even ''consider'' it?



** Well, according to the timeline of events, ALO is created about a year after the start of the SAO incident, in November[[note]]This puts it about midway through the time the events of "Red-Nosed Reindeer" occurs, after the deaths of all members of the Moonlit Black Cats minus Kirito, but about a month before his fight Nicholas the Renegade for the revival item[[/note]]. Additionally, the Amusphere is created in May of that year. While it's never really discussed further in the anime, there's a line at the end of Season 1, in the epilogue episode where Kirito mentions that after Sugou's and the mind control VR lab staff are arrested, that pretty much all VRMMO games got shut down temporarily as a result of the events (ALO is shut down from about the End of January 2025 until April of that year, The Seed program is released by Agil and Kirito in February). Given these factors, my best guess: Sugou told Mr. Yuuki (Asuna's father) that a good way to help RECT Progress cover the cost of SAO server upkeep, would be to sell ALO (and probably subscriptions for it), and the Amusphere which RECT had developed. They could use it to advertise how much safer they had made VR games to prevent another SAO incident. That said, as Kirito mentioned, the result of two major crimes and scandals did nearly put the VR gaming world out of commission. It was only because of the Seed's release, the Amusphere's safety features, and people still willing to play VRMMO games that they didn't collapse.

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** Well, according to the timeline of events, ALO is created about a year after the start of the SAO incident, in November[[note]]This puts it about midway through the time the events of "Red-Nosed Reindeer" occurs, after the deaths of all members of the Moonlit Black Cats minus Kirito, but about a month before his fight Nicholas the Renegade for the revival item[[/note]]. Additionally, the Amusphere is created in May of that year. While it's never really discussed further in the anime, there's a line at the end of Season 1, in the epilogue episode where Kirito mentions that after Sugou's and the mind control VR lab staff are arrested, that pretty much all VRMMO [=VRMMO=] games got shut down temporarily as a result of the events (ALO is shut down from about the End of January 2025 until April of that year, The Seed program is released by Agil and Kirito in February). Given these factors, my best guess: Sugou told Mr. Yuuki (Asuna's father) that a good way to help RECT Progress cover the cost of SAO server upkeep, would be to sell ALO (and probably subscriptions for it), and the Amusphere which RECT had developed. They could use it to advertise how much safer they had made VR games to prevent another SAO incident. That said, as Kirito mentioned, the result of two major crimes and scandals did nearly put the VR gaming world out of commission. It was only because of the Seed's release, the Amusphere's safety features, and people still willing to play VRMMO [=VRMMO=] games that they didn't collapse.



** What I'm saying is that there ''was'' public outcry (ARGUS, the company behind SAO, went bankrupt soon after the start of the incident after being sued by families of SAO players who were trapped, or killed already in game, RECT took over the servers afterwards). And who's to say RECT announced anything about it being based on SAO's systems? Yet, the series makes it clear. Even after TWO major scandals connected to each other (the SAO incident, and the ALO illegal brainwashing/mental conditioning) VRMMO's were being made soon after the Seed got released. There was public outcry, but there was still consumer demand for VRMMOs.

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** What I'm saying is that there ''was'' public outcry (ARGUS, the company behind SAO, went bankrupt soon after the start of the incident after being sued by families of SAO players who were trapped, or killed already in game, RECT took over the servers afterwards). And who's to say RECT announced anything about it being based on SAO's systems? Yet, the series makes it clear. Even after TWO major scandals connected to each other (the SAO incident, and the ALO illegal brainwashing/mental conditioning) VRMMO's [=VRMMO=]'s were being made soon after the Seed got released. There was public outcry, but there was still consumer demand for VRMMOs.[=VRMMOs=].



** It could possibly be a minor design flaw in the Amusphere since even with the added safety it's not perfect (such as while it can log you out from detecting a house fire, you still have to be able to escape the flames yourself), perhaps being unable to detect brain waves is making it registering the lack of them as a player simply not wearing it and it's unable to directly notice the difference between being unable to detect them due to it being removed, and said brain waves suddenly vanishing. Provided the Amusphere can get updated like the various VRMMOs, this problem may have been amended, but if not...

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** It could possibly be a minor design flaw in the Amusphere since even with the added safety it's not perfect (such as while it can log you out from detecting a house fire, you still have to be able to escape the flames yourself), perhaps being unable to detect brain waves is making it registering the lack of them as a player simply not wearing it and it's unable to directly notice the difference between being unable to detect them due to it being removed, and said brain waves suddenly vanishing. Provided the Amusphere can get updated like the various VRMMOs, [=VRMMOs=], this problem may have been amended, but if not...
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