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20th Apr '16 9:02:54 PM elkeryos
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**It's not a matter of being a delusional fool or not. The easiest way to look at it is to take Kayaba as a sociopath; a realistic one; not the Holywood/Sugou one. While there is no questioning that what he did was bad, people are not judged in the same way, even in OUR own legal system, depending of whether they are conscious of what they are doing or not. Kind of like you should not bash a depressed person if they think about suicide even if it hurts you, because they have a HEALTH PROBLEM. Again, there is a REALLY BIG difference between "understanding" and "forgiving" depending of the context. Kayaba was a manchild that never got any kind of therapy whatsoever - it doesn't make anything he did "okay". But since he wasn't as openly greedy or evil as Sugou, it's easy to understand why Kirito is on better terms with him. If anything, Kirito is showing that he is quite mature in this scene; it's easy to be angry because of what Kayaba did and everything he caused and to get emotional; it's a lot harder to understand WHY he is this way and to get that the guy may very well be a victim of a bad brain chemistry that no one tried to help before, and certainly no therapist or no competent one. As a whole Sugou looked way more "well-adjusted" and conscious of what he did, which is the problem. Kayaba had the innocence of a child; the kind of child that doesn't get that stomping on pets will hurt them, or rather that it's bad. While it doesn't change the FACTS and what he caused, compared to Sugou who is conscious of that and use it to please himself, he clearly isn't as malevolent. He did bad things, but because the concept of "good" and "bad" is completely alien to him and he was just playing like a kid would play in his toy box, "killing" his toys in his mind. Sugou was, ironically, a lot more down-to-earth, which makes him a lot more despicable since HE should have the ability to know better. Basically, Kayaba is a "real" sociopath, like one is BEFORE understanding how the world works, and Sugou perfectly knew how what he was doing affected others, and was DELIGHTED by that; see: humiliating Kirito and Asuna in front of each other without any gain for him except for sadistic kicks. The two are just as guilty for everything they did, but one of them did it knowingly, which is why Kirito still view Kayaba in a better light, since he at least followed his own rules and wasn't sadistic just for the heck of it. A bastard Kayaba was, but one biologically hard-wired so that he doesn't even notice it. If anything, seeing how even Kayaba himself was disgusted by Sugou shows that with a proper life, he could have turned at least a little better. Compared to Sugou, he was able to follow the rules, even if it means killing him; he just didn't get why the rules should be what "our society" want them to be (= not hurting others); since he wasn't able to see other people as "human" except maybe Kirito, since he was "the hero of his story", and therefore only followed his owns, without malice, just because of his twisted logic and social incompetence. People don't judge a 3 year old and an adult being cruel to pets in the same way.
12th Apr '16 6:28:29 AM nobrandhero
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** The electrical currents bit is also mentioned in the epilogue of the first volume. As part of struggling out of bed, Kirito pulls several electrodes off his body and muses that they were probably meant to stave off atrophy.
12th Apr '16 6:22:48 AM nobrandhero
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** He's just hitting people with his sword like he always does. Everything we see happen is part of the illusion spell and thus not real. That's what illusion means. He jokes later that he lost his sword and had to use his hands, but he's just teasing Leafa when he says that.
12th Apr '16 6:16:36 AM nobrandhero
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** Kirito was attacked first by a red player (whose cursor turned red when he murdered another nearby player). He killed in self-defense. The system must've taken that into account.

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** Kirito was attacked first by a red player (whose cursor turned red orange when he murdered another nearby player). He killed in self-defense. The system must've taken that into account.
2nd Apr '16 2:27:14 PM GrammarNavi
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** That's not too much of a problem. Just do it in a Faraday cage. Besides, EMPs follow the inverse square law. If the closest other piece of electronics is ten times the distance as the [=NervGear=], it would only get one one hundredth the energy.

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** That's not too much of a problem. Just do it in a Faraday cage. Besides, EMPs [=EMPs=] follow the inverse square law. If the closest other piece of electronics is ten times the distance as the [=NervGear=], it would only get one one hundredth the energy.
1st Apr '16 10:46:54 AM Discar
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*** Kirito isn't a government agent, he's a kid. His involvement in the GGO case is almost certainly illegal, because Kikuoka made no progress investigating normally, and was trying to buddy up to Kirito for his shady military AI project...

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*** ** Kirito isn't a government agent, he's a kid. His involvement in the GGO case is almost certainly illegal, because Kikuoka made no progress investigating normally, and was trying to buddy up to Kirito for his shady military AI project...



*** Because committing suicide during BoB doesn't free you from that constraint. I don't recall if the anime makes that clear, but the novel does. That's why everyone killed normally during BoB lies there with a funny little "DEAD" flag instead of de-rezzing and respawning. The player is basically stuck sitting there until it ends. Besides, there absolutely is an Alt-F4 equivalent, too. Several of them, in fact. To the point where Sinon almost ''accidentally'' logs out before Kirito calms her down. The no-logout rule isn't what keeps them from logging out, it's that they figure out the murderer is literally sitting next to Sinon in the real world that does. They're afraid that if she sees the culprit, she'll be killed regardless of whether Death Gun gets her or not. Thus they have to defeat Death Gun and hope the murderer leaves. Which he does.

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*** ** Because committing suicide during BoB doesn't free you from that constraint. I don't recall if the anime makes that clear, but the novel does. That's why everyone killed normally during BoB lies there with a funny little "DEAD" flag instead of de-rezzing and respawning. The player is basically stuck sitting there until it ends. Besides, there absolutely is an Alt-F4 equivalent, too. Several of them, in fact. To the point where Sinon almost ''accidentally'' logs out before Kirito calms her down. The no-logout rule isn't what keeps them from logging out, it's that they figure out the murderer is literally sitting next to Sinon in the real world that does. They're afraid that if she sees the culprit, she'll be killed regardless of whether Death Gun gets her or not. Thus they have to defeat Death Gun and hope the murderer leaves. Which he does.
1st Apr '16 9:49:54 AM nobrandhero
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*** Because committing suicide during BoB doesn't free you from that constraint. I don't recall if the anime makes that clear, but the novel does. That's why everyone killed normally during BoB lies there with a funny little "DEAD" flag instead of de-rezzing and respawning. The player is basically stuck sitting there until it ends. Besides, there absolutely is an Alt-F4 equivalent, too. Several of them, in fact. To the point where Sinon almost ''accidentally'' logs out before Kirito calms her down. The no-logout rule isn't what keeps them from logging out, it's that they figure out the murderer is literally sitting next to Sinon in the real world that does. They're afraid that if she sees the culprit, she'll be killed regardless of whether Death Gun gets her or not. Thus they have to defeat Death Gun and hope the murderer leaves. Which he does.
1st Apr '16 8:52:41 AM nobrandhero
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*** Kirito isn't a government agent, he's a kid. His involvement in the GGO case is almost certainly illegal, because Kazuto made no progress investigating normally, and was trying to buddy up to Kirito for his shady military AI project...

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*** Kirito isn't a government agent, he's a kid. His involvement in the GGO case is almost certainly illegal, because Kazuto Kikuoka made no progress investigating normally, and was trying to buddy up to Kirito for his shady military AI project...
1st Apr '16 8:51:55 AM nobrandhero
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*** Kirito isn't a government agent, he's a kid. His involvement in the GGO case is almost certainly illegal, because Kazuto made no progress investigating normally, and was trying to buddy up to Kirito for his shady military AI project...
1st Apr '16 5:51:25 AM Harem-author
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** In the light novel, Kabaya specifically mentions "bending the rules" so that Kirito and Asuna live. When Kirito asks about the other players who died, Kabaya points out that "death can't be reversed that easily."



** The consequence must be fitting. If someone stabbing you meant that you died painfully and then woke up in the nearest cathedral with half you money missing, it would just feel arbitrary. If you get killed, you should die. This is something people understand on a basic level. The fantastic nature wasn't realistic in the sense of being like reality, but it was something people could understand. It felt more real than reality does. If you mess up in reality, you might not get a raise or lose your job, resulting in fewer beige pieces of paper or whatever color yen are, which you can trade for goods and services. The whole thing feels even more arbitrary than waking up in a cathedral with half your money missing.

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** The consequence must be fitting. If someone stabbing you meant that you died painfully and then woke up in the nearest cathedral with half you your money missing, it would just feel arbitrary. If you get killed, you should die. This is something people understand on a basic level. The fantastic nature wasn't realistic in the sense of being like reality, but it was something people could understand. It felt more real than reality does. If you mess up in reality, you might not get a raise or lose your job, resulting in fewer beige pieces of paper or whatever color yen are, which you can trade for goods and services. The whole thing feels even more arbitrary than waking up in a cathedral with half your money missing.



** It's an extension of Japanese politeness and social norms. Talking about personal things to the public is a big no-no. Combine with the fact that Kayaba got blamed for all the deaths, and there's a perfectly legal scapegoat for everybody to pin the blame on and just forget about it. In addition, the only witnesses to the last fight were Kirito and his friends and their friends. Kirito is very private, even for a Japanese man, so if he asked them (and the government, for that matter) not to mention his name, they would. It could be that a bunch of other people are going on talk shows or whatever and babbling about everything (which I find doubtful, but it is possible), but they don't know about the stuff Kirito was involved in, and the story doesn't focus on that.

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** It's an extension of Japanese politeness and social norms. Talking about personal things to the public is a big no-no. Combine with the fact that Kayaba got blamed for all the deaths, and there's a perfectly legal scapegoat for everybody to pin the blame on and just forget about it. In addition, the only witnesses to the last fight were Kirito and his friends and their friends. Kirito is very private, even for a Japanese man, so if he asked them (and the government, for that matter) not to mention his name, they would.wouldn't. It could be that a bunch of other people are going on talk shows or whatever and babbling about everything (which I find doubtful, but it is possible), but they don't know about the stuff Kirito was involved in, and the story doesn't focus on that.




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** Mr. Yuuki is a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter and thought Sugou was a better heir than his own son, as well as thinking that backing Kabaya was a good idea. Also, he took his wife's advice at face value when considering marriage partners for Asuna, without doing any investigative legwork of his own. Mrs. Yuuki is the one who chose Sugou to be Asuna's betrothed,[[CallingTheOldManOut and Asuna calls her out on it.]]



** Kayaba never explicitly asks Kirito for forgiveness, even when entrusts him with the World Seed: even then, he asks Kirito if he can spare Aincrad from his hathred, and, ultimately, Kirito relents. Kirito had came to hate Kayaba, because he killed thousands of players and put his and Asuna's life in peril just to realize his dream, but he still loved his creations (Aincrad, the World Seed, the Cardinal System) because they gave him an imaginary, fantastic world to retreat when he was a lonely kid and then the love of his life, a true family and a way to reconnect with his feelings. On the other way, he hated Sugou, because he took away everything Aincrad had given him (Asuna, a digital world in which forge true relationships, his pride), and Kayaba returned to give him all of those things, with the added perk of enacting his vengeance on Sugou. As such Kirito doesn't need to forgive or absolve Kayaba (afterall, the loss of his physical body is enough of a punishment): he can still love and cherish the World Seed and everything it brought it. On the other hand, Sugou had never given him something to cherish and love, nor had a single streak of nobility in his actions. Thus, while Kirito left Kayaba's in civil terms, he still wanted to turn Sugou's life into a permanent HumiliationConga.

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** Kayaba never explicitly asks Kirito for forgiveness, even when entrusts him with the World Seed: even then, he asks Kirito if he can spare Aincrad from his hathred, and, ultimately, Kirito relents. Kirito had came to hate Kayaba, because he killed thousands of players and put his and Asuna's life in peril just to realize his dream, but he still loved his creations (Aincrad, the World Seed, the Cardinal System) because they gave him an imaginary, fantastic world to retreat to when he was a lonely kid and then the love of his life, a true family and a way to reconnect with his feelings. On the other way, he hated Sugou, because he took away everything Aincrad had given him (Asuna, a digital world in which forge true relationships, his pride), and Kayaba returned to give him all of those things, with the added perk of enacting his vengeance on Sugou. As such Kirito doesn't need to forgive or absolve Kayaba (afterall, the loss of his physical body is enough of a punishment): he can still love and cherish the World Seed and everything it brought it. On the other hand, Sugou had never given him something to cherish and love, nor had a single streak of nobility in his actions. Thus, while Kirito left Kayaba's in civil terms, he still wanted to turn Sugou's life into a permanent HumiliationConga.




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** Where is the best place to hide a leaf? In a forest. That's the mindset for putting the secret, illegal lab at the top of the "World Tree" and the "quest" was just an excuse that gave an explanation of why that space existed in the first place.



** You also have a chance to lose parts of your equipment if you die to a [[PlayerKilling PK]], which in Dynes case includes a rare and valuable assault rifle. So while his reaction is pretty over the top it is not surprising he considers the situation to be rather serious, too.

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** You also have a chance to lose parts of your equipment if you die to a [[PlayerKilling PK]], which in Dynes Dyne's case includes a rare and valuable assault rifle. So while his reaction is pretty over the top it is not surprising he considers the situation to be rather serious, too.



** You make it sound like it's a big deal. 1) Talking straight and playful is worlds apart from kissing and having an affair. 2) It's already established in Aincrad and Fairy Dance this is Kirito's way of interacting with the opposite sex on friendly terms, from Asuna to Lizbet to Silica to Leafa to Suguha (when he didn't know he's Leafa).

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** You make it sound like it's a big deal. 1) Talking straight and playful is worlds apart from kissing and having an affair. 2) It's already established in Aincrad and Fairy Dance this is Kirito's way of interacting with the opposite sex on friendly terms, from Asuna to Lizbet to Silica to Leafa to Suguha (when he didn't know he's she's Leafa).
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