History Headscratchers / SwordArtOnline

4th Sep '17 2:12:31 PM HalcyonDayz
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** I thought MMOs let you play on any server, and you just use the one for your country because it means everyone on there speaks your language, and there's probably less lag. Also, shouldn't that be 1 credit=.1 cents=$.001?

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** I thought MMOs [=MMOs=] let you play on any server, and you just use the one for your country because it means everyone on there speaks your language, and there's probably less lag. Also, shouldn't that be 1 credit=.1 cents=$.001?
4th Sep '17 2:04:12 PM HalcyonDayz
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** But weight as a stat requirement and a basic level requirements are two different things. The only thing barring you from using a sword in many MMORPGs may be just its level requirement(s), but if you strip that, then anybody can use said weapon, regardless of how powerful it is, and there wouldn't be a drawback. Weight is a stat requirement that has CONTEXT, and is in CONTEXT. You literally couldn't use the sword if you couldn't meet the stat requirement, but since it's weight instead of a simple level, and weight actually means something concrete, then it'd be a factor that matters constantly.

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** But weight as a stat requirement and a basic level requirements are two different things. The only thing barring you from using a sword in many MMORPGs [=MMORPGs=] may be just its level requirement(s), but if you strip that, then anybody can use said weapon, regardless of how powerful it is, and there wouldn't be a drawback. Weight is a stat requirement that has CONTEXT, and is in CONTEXT. You literally couldn't use the sword if you couldn't meet the stat requirement, but since it's weight instead of a simple level, and weight actually means something concrete, then it'd be a factor that matters constantly.
3rd Sep '17 10:07:04 AM HalcyonDayz
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** A blurry picture of a girl who resembled one of 200 people who are trapped online somewhere, taken in a game that changes your appearance and has many [=NPCs=] to boot. That's almost less than nothing to take to the police.

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** A blurry picture of a girl who resembled one of 200 people who are trapped online somewhere, taken in a game that changes your appearance and has many [=NPCs=] {{Non Player Character}}s to boot. That's almost less than nothing to take to the police.



*** There was a dounjinshi released that Reki Kawahara might have had a hand in that focused on that particular boss. The field boss was a giant monster with an armored front stationed in a narrow canyon. The canyon walls were too steep to climb and the monster was too big to maneuver around, so players had no way to access it's weak spot. Asuna's plan involved leading it to a village at the opening of the canyon. (And honestly, no one else could figure out how to beat it without massive casualties.) It wasn't until they triggered an in town event with the NPCs that they found a way to put the boss to sleep so they could climb over it and attack from behind.

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*** There was a dounjinshi released that Reki Kawahara might have had a hand in that focused on that particular boss. The field boss was a giant monster with an armored front stationed in a narrow canyon. The canyon walls were too steep to climb and the monster was too big to maneuver around, so players had no way to access it's weak spot. Asuna's plan involved leading it to a village at the opening of the canyon. (And honestly, no one else could figure out how to beat it without massive casualties.) It wasn't until they triggered an in town event with the NPCs {{Non Player Character}}s that they found a way to put the boss to sleep so they could climb over it and attack from behind.
1st Sep '17 9:50:27 PM HalcyonDayz
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** GGO has a pro scene. In fact it seems the pro-scene is more front-center than the casual scene. Both hardware and software company pay large sums for tournaments of e-sports IRL like SC2, LoL, CoD, so it's not at all weird. The International 2014 had a starting prize pool of 1.6m USD (the final ended up close to 11m USD). In fact 200k to 300k Yen a month, which is 2k to 3k USD, would be incredibly low for top gamers of popular games to be making IRL. SAO happened due to the vulnerability of [=NerveGear=]. ALO's incident caused no fatalities and importantly also only effected people using [=NerveGear=]. The situation given is that: a) Both dead players are Japanese. The jurisdiction would fall under the Japanese government. Meanwhile the gaming company is American. Without more concrete proof, the government is going to protect its citizens' privacy and protect the coperations (and individuals) from libel first, which leads to b) Amusphere is supposed to be 100% save. It doesn't have the power to damage the user's body. Both the Japanese government agent and Kirito admit the chance of it being an actual murder is 1% and are only looking into the case because of "a bad feeling". Saying the US government, or any government, would work on this case in its current form would make as much sense as saying they'd investigate a case of someone accusing you of blowing up a building in India with a hack (not a bomb or that you're part of an organization) but can not identify the program. Or taking to the police as evidence of kidnapping a blurry screenshot of someone that looks like a missing person in an MMORPG with customizable avatars, tens of thousands of players, and countless [=NPCs=]. It'd get laughed out.

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** GGO has a pro scene. In fact it seems the pro-scene is more front-center than the casual scene. Both hardware and software company pay large sums for tournaments of e-sports IRL like SC2, LoL, ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'', CoD, so it's not at all weird. The International 2014 had a starting prize pool of 1.6m USD (the final ended up close to 11m USD). In fact 200k to 300k Yen a month, which is 2k to 3k USD, would be incredibly low for top gamers of popular games to be making IRL. SAO happened due to the vulnerability of [=NerveGear=]. ALO's incident caused no fatalities and importantly also only effected people using [=NerveGear=]. The situation given is that: a) Both dead players are Japanese. The jurisdiction would fall under the Japanese government. Meanwhile the gaming company is American. Without more concrete proof, the government is going to protect its citizens' privacy and protect the coperations (and individuals) from libel first, which leads to b) Amusphere is supposed to be 100% save. It doesn't have the power to damage the user's body. Both the Japanese government agent and Kirito admit the chance of it being an actual murder is 1% and are only looking into the case because of "a bad feeling". Saying the US government, or any government, would work on this case in its current form would make as much sense as saying they'd investigate a case of someone accusing you of blowing up a building in India with a hack (not a bomb or that you're part of an organization) but can not identify the program. Or taking to the police as evidence of kidnapping a blurry screenshot of someone that looks like a missing person in an MMORPG with customizable avatars, tens of thousands of players, and countless [=NPCs=]. It'd get laughed out.
11th Jul '17 9:25:31 PM KaminoNeko
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** Significant story events happen during timeskips of weeks or months...that they elided something that was going to be used a few minutes later is nothing, relatively. (Also, UnspokenPlanGuarantee and all that.)
13th Jun '17 4:59:50 PM RoarkTenjouin
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*** Problem with that excuse is that they never showed anyone dying as a result of that - the only deaths they showed en masse were players committing suicide. It's established in story that once you die, you basically dissolve.
23rd May '17 1:07:10 AM elkeryos
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** There is the main problem. First, Kayaba isn't "an adult"; or rather, in this context, being "an adult" isn't something that can be decided with the person's age alone. If the person just cannot learn how "an adult" should be because of a variety of hard-wired reasons, then he will ultimately end up as an adult body with a child-like mind. Ultimately, his mind is still at the level of children okay with hurting pets (or more commonly, insects) just because they don't have empathy towards them yet and "it seems funny". Psychologically speaking, he's stuck at the level of a very young child at best.
Which leads to what follows; it isn't "common sense" in any way if we aren't talking about "typical" people. Not to mention that morality is subjective to begin with; and with a real sociapath it's even worse, or rather, "more obvious". "Common sense" definitely doesn't apply, and "free will" is a thing that depends of everyone's own experience and, ultimately, of how someone is, down to his/her brain chemistry, so there's no easy way out of this one. It all depends of how willing you are to try to understand why things went as they went, and obviously trying to get Kayaba punished for his crime, seeking out a therapist or whatever is pointless, since he is, well, dead. So while being angry about it would be justified, it would also be useless, not to mention that at this PARTICULAR moment, Kirito certainly had other things on his mind than some philosophical nonsense about guilt and forgiveness. We are purely talking about an emotional problem, not one related to law in any way, since the culprit being dead makes the "anger" of him not being punished for his crimes moot to begin with. If Kayaba was still alive and kicking, Kirito's tune certainly would have been VERY different.
Sociopaths are he accountable for their crimes, and they usually also go into SPECIAL STRUCTURES, because their needs and their histories are very different from a typical person's one.
You're also missing the whole point about this, both from a meta-PoV and an inside-the-game PoV; as I said, understanding and forgiving are two very, very different things and one doesn't necessarily imply the other. Nothing indicates that Kirito is forgiving Kayaba in any way; he did the best he could from this whole mess, and tried to see the reason behind the whole deal, but there is a world between t his and forgiving. It's just a need to rationalize what happened.
The only thing it means is that one was more UNDERSTANDABLE than the other, and therefore it is often easier to accept, especially when someone 1à times worse is trying to rape your girlfriend in front of you at the very same moment.
Kirito makes the rational thing in this scene; being pragmatic. Not to mention that lashing out at Kayaba at this moment would be purely an emotional thing; the guy is dead, literally. There was nothing to gain in getting angry at him; only something to lose because without its help, Asuna isn't the only one who would be in danger in the end.
And yes, "moral relativism" is the key here. Again, you don't judge as kid as you would judge an adult. And understanding isn't the same as forgiving, once again. People are trying to justify it because it's what makes him stand out compared to the usual "hollywood sociopath" and Sugou, and make him not feel like a simple repeat of it. And from a character's PoV, it's also understandable; the event is over, the culprit is dead. Understanding how and why it happened in order to deal with it is way more logical (even if, once again, it only really looks "detached" outlook-wise because of how much of an ass that doesn't even respect his own rules despite being functional Sugou is). If you don't care about it, it's your own problem, but a lot of people care about the reasoning behind actions just as much as the actions themselves; and in this case, there is a huge gap between "greed" and "ignorance/having a psychological problem to begin with". It just happens that one is a conscious choice while the other isn't.




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** There is the main problem. First, Kayaba isn't "an adult"; or rather, in this context, being "an adult" isn't something that can be decided with the person's age alone. If the person just cannot learn how "an adult" should be because of a variety of hard-wired reasons, then he will ultimately end up as an adult body with a child-like mind. Ultimately, his mind is still at the level of children okay with hurting pets (or more commonly, insects) just because they don't have empathy towards them yet and "it seems funny". Psychologically speaking, he's stuck at the level of a very young child at best. Which leads to what follows; it isn't "common sense" in any way if we aren't talking about "typical" people. Not to mention that morality is subjective to begin with; and with a real sociapath it's even worse, or rather, "more obvious". "Common sense" definitely doesn't apply, and "free will" is a thing that depends of everyone's own experience and, ultimately, of how someone is, down to his/her brain chemistry, so there's no easy way out of this one. It all depends of how willing you are to try to understand why things went as they went, and obviously trying to get Kayaba punished for his crime, seeking out a therapist or whatever is pointless, since he is, well, dead. So while being angry about it would be justified, it would also be useless, not to mention that at this PARTICULAR moment, Kirito certainly had other things on his mind than some philosophical nonsense about guilt and forgiveness. We are purely talking about an emotional problem, not one related to law in any way, since the culprit being dead makes the "anger" of him not being punished for his crimes moot to begin with. If Kayaba was still alive and kicking, Kirito's tune certainly would have been VERY different. Sociopaths are he accountable for their crimes, and they usually also go into SPECIAL STRUCTURES, because their needs and their histories are very different from a typical person's one. You're also missing the whole point about this, both from a meta-PoV and an inside-the-game PoV; as I said, understanding and forgiving are two very, very different things and one doesn't necessarily imply the other. Nothing indicates that Kirito is forgiving Kayaba in any way; he did the best he could from this whole mess, and tried to see the reason behind the whole deal, but there is a world between t his and forgiving. It's just a need to rationalize what happened. The only thing it means is that one was more UNDERSTANDABLE than the other, and therefore it is often easier to accept, especially when someone 1à times worse is trying to rape your girlfriend in front of you at the very same moment. Kirito makes the rational thing in this scene; being pragmatic. Not to mention that lashing out at Kayaba at this moment would be purely an emotional thing; the guy is dead, literally. There was nothing to gain in getting angry at him; only something to lose because without its help, Asuna isn't the only one who would be in danger in the end. And yes, "moral relativism" is the key here. Again, you don't judge as kid as you would judge an adult. And understanding isn't the same as forgiving, once again. People are trying to justify it because it's what makes him stand out compared to the usual "hollywood sociopath" and Sugou, and make him not feel like a simple repeat of it. And from a character's PoV, it's also understandable; the event is over, the culprit is dead. Understanding how and why it happened in order to deal with it is way more logical (even if, once again, it only really looks "detached" outlook-wise because of how much of an ass that doesn't even respect his own rules despite being functional Sugou is). If you don't care about it, it's your own problem, but a lot of people care about the reasoning behind actions just as much as the actions themselves; and in this case, there is a huge gap between "greed" and "ignorance/having a psychological problem to begin with". It just happens that one is a conscious choice while the other isn't.
23rd May '17 1:01:32 AM elkeryos
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**There is the main problem. First, Kayaba isn't "an adult"; or rather, in this context, being "an adult" isn't something that can be decided with the person's age alone. If the person just cannot learn how "an adult" should be because of a variety of hard-wired reasons, then he will ultimately end up as an adult body with a child-like mind. Ultimately, his mind is still at the level of children okay with hurting pets (or more commonly, insects) just because they don't have empathy towards them yet and "it seems funny". Psychologically speaking, he's stuck at the level of a very young child at best.
Which leads to what follows; it isn't "common sense" in any way if we aren't talking about "typical" people. Not to mention that morality is subjective to begin with; and with a real sociapath it's even worse, or rather, "more obvious". "Common sense" definitely doesn't apply, and "free will" is a thing that depends of everyone's own experience and, ultimately, of how someone is, down to his/her brain chemistry, so there's no easy way out of this one. It all depends of how willing you are to try to understand why things went as they went, and obviously trying to get Kayaba punished for his crime, seeking out a therapist or whatever is pointless, since he is, well, dead. So while being angry about it would be justified, it would also be useless, not to mention that at this PARTICULAR moment, Kirito certainly had other things on his mind than some philosophical nonsense about guilt and forgiveness. We are purely talking about an emotional problem, not one related to law in any way, since the culprit being dead makes the "anger" of him not being punished for his crimes moot to begin with. If Kayaba was still alive and kicking, Kirito's tune certainly would have been VERY different.
Sociopaths are he accountable for their crimes, and they usually also go into SPECIAL STRUCTURES, because their needs and their histories are very different from a typical person's one.
You're also missing the whole point about this, both from a meta-PoV and an inside-the-game PoV; as I said, understanding and forgiving are two very, very different things and one doesn't necessarily imply the other. Nothing indicates that Kirito is forgiving Kayaba in any way; he did the best he could from this whole mess, and tried to see the reason behind the whole deal, but there is a world between t his and forgiving. It's just a need to rationalize what happened.
The only thing it means is that one was more UNDERSTANDABLE than the other, and therefore it is often easier to accept, especially when someone 1à times worse is trying to rape your girlfriend in front of you at the very same moment.
Kirito makes the rational thing in this scene; being pragmatic. Not to mention that lashing out at Kayaba at this moment would be purely an emotional thing; the guy is dead, literally. There was nothing to gain in getting angry at him; only something to lose because without its help, Asuna isn't the only one who would be in danger in the end.
And yes, "moral relativism" is the key here. Again, you don't judge as kid as you would judge an adult. And understanding isn't the same as forgiving, once again. People are trying to justify it because it's what makes him stand out compared to the usual "hollywood sociopath" and Sugou, and make him not feel like a simple repeat of it. And from a character's PoV, it's also understandable; the event is over, the culprit is dead. Understanding how and why it happened in order to deal with it is way more logical (even if, once again, it only really looks "detached" outlook-wise because of how much of an ass that doesn't even respect his own rules despite being functional Sugou is). If you don't care about it, it's your own problem, but a lot of people care about the reasoning behind actions just as much as the actions themselves; and in this case, there is a huge gap between "greed" and "ignorance/having a psychological problem to begin with". It just happens that one is a conscious choice while the other isn't.
30th Apr '17 4:02:10 PM SCP682WILLDIE
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[[folder: Why didn't anyone call a expert to alter the circuits on the NevrveGear so the battery can't power the microwave transmitter, thus stopping people's brains from being fried?
* Ex-actly what i wrote in the folder title. Nobody, absolutely nobody realized that given enough time, expertise and care, a engineer could alter the circuits and stop the NerveGear battery from activating the transmitter? Seriously? And i'm not just talking about the combined numbers of low hundreds of thousands of parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins...(if we count friends that number could be on the high hundreds of thousands. Heck, counting acquinttaces it could be about a million even. Counting the people who didn't know the victims but were worried and were trying to figure out a way to help them...it's a god damn ninety percent of Japan.)i'm also talking about the fucking Japanese government, which is highly competent, at least IRL. Also, where's the japanese government's supercomputers working to stop the NerveGear's signals? Where are the presumably millions of technofreaks thinking up ways to disable the NerveGear? Where's the own engineers offering their help? Where's the company who created the NerveGear trying to help instead of just shutting down like they did on the actual anime? WHERE's ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN?

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[[folder: Why didn't anyone call a expert to alter the circuits on the NevrveGear NerveGear so the battery can't power the microwave transmitter, thus stopping people's brains from being fried?
fried?]]
* Ex-actly what i wrote in the folder title. Nobody, absolutely nobody realized that given enough time, expertise and care, a engineer could alter the circuits and stop the NerveGear battery from activating the transmitter? Seriously? And i'm not just talking about the combined numbers of low hundreds of thousands of parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins...(if we count friends that number could be on the high hundreds of thousands. Heck, counting acquinttaces it could be about a million even. Counting the people who didn't know the victims but were worried and were trying to figure out a way to help them...it's a god damn ninety percent of Japan.)i'm also talking about the fucking Japanese government, which is highly competent, at least IRL. Also, where's the japanese government's supercomputers working to stop the NerveGear's signals? Where are the presumably millions of technofreaks thinking up ways to disable the NerveGear? Where's the own engineers offering their help? Where's the company who created the NerveGear trying to help instead of just shutting down like they did on the actual anime? WHERE's ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN?BRAIN?
also abused to dodge being marked as an Outlaw, via Sleep [=PKs=].
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30th Apr '17 4:00:18 PM SCP682WILLDIE
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[[folder: Why didn't anyone call a expert to alter the circuits on the NevrveGear so the battery can't power the microwave transmitter, thus stopping people's brains from being fried?
* Ex-actly what i wrote in the folder title. Nobody, absolutely nobody realized that given enough time, expertise and care, a engineer could alter the circuits and stop the NerveGear battery from activating the transmitter? Seriously? And i'm not just talking about the combined numbers of low hundreds of thousands of parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins...(if we count friends that number could be on the high hundreds of thousands. Heck, counting acquinttaces it could be about a million even. Counting the people who didn't know the victims but were worried and were trying to figure out a way to help them...it's a god damn ninety percent of Japan.)i'm also talking about the fucking Japanese government, which is highly competent, at least IRL. Also, where's the japanese government's supercomputers working to stop the NerveGear's signals? Where are the presumably millions of technofreaks thinking up ways to disable the NerveGear? Where's the own engineers offering their help? Where's the company who created the NerveGear trying to help instead of just shutting down like they did on the actual anime? WHERE's ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN?
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