History Headscratchers / SupermanVsTheElite

* Near the end of the movie, Black threatens to level Metropolis if Superman comes after him and Coldcast. So when Superman shows up, [[spoiler: seemingly]] carries Coldcast into space, and shows making it obvious he's going to ''kill'' Black, ''why doesn't he follow through?''

**** Most of this is addressed in an earlier headscratcher, this one dealing with two specific intergalactic threats. Which while as stated they'd probably be marginally better suited to fight they probably hadn't really thought beyond the step they were at. Superman is often treated as the Lynch Pin, take him down and the rest of Earth or even the Universe will fall. DC doesn't really have a lot of Super Hero teams that could take one someone who defeated Superman and if they beat Superman they should be able to take Wonder Woman, and likely Green Lantern. This is also assuming it's just them and that no heroes come over to their side and no villains decide to help them either. An Elite lead Injustice League could fairly easily keep most of the world in check. Also Superman vs the Elite never gets as far as DeathNote does on the subject but a world without crime or war is tempting. And the Elite would probably have been happy to fight natural disasters when they popped up. A lot of regular people would probably support them.

* Right before the final battle between Superman and Manchester Black, Black tells Coldcast to ready another blast, claiming "As soon as he shows his 'S', I'm gonna flatten this whole city!" Superman does show up... and Black just hits him with telekinetic blasts. If he had enough power to level a city, why wasn't he dishing it out?

**** Most of this is addressed in an earlier headscratcher, this one dealing with two specific intergalactic threats. Which while as stated they'd probably be marginally better suited to fight they probably hadn't really thought beyond the step they were at. Superman is often treated as the Lynch Pin, take him down and the rest of Earth or even the Universe will fall. DC doesn't really have a lot of Super Hero teams that could take one someone who defeated Superman and if they beat Superman they should be able to take Wonder Woman, and likely Green Lantern. This is also assuming it's just them and that no heroes come over to their side and no villains decide to help them either. An Elite lead Injustice League could fairly easily keep most of the world in check. Also Superman vs the Elite never gets as far as DeathNote does on the subject but a world without crime or war is tempting. And the Elite would probably have been happy to fight natural disasters when they popped up. A lot of regular people would probably support them.

** Maybe they've been reading TheAuthority and think it'll work out the way it does in that comic. If the author's on your side and makes sure anyone who opposes you is secretly evil, things have a way of working out.

*** Even if they kill Superman, I seriously doubt Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, and the others would bow before the Elite. They would rather die than surrender to them. If an "evil" Superman can defeat the Elite, imagine a pissed off Wonder Woman coming after them for killing her comrade/ex-lover/friend. Another problem is dealing with other super hero teams. How can 5 villains handle thousands of super heroes(who also have telekinesis) coming at them at once?

** They would probably be marginally better suited to deal with Darkseid or Brainiac than the normal DC world. Presumably if the Elite had won all super powered beings would be under their control and could be used in an organized offensive against any invaders. As bad ass ad Darksied and Brainiac are they wouldn't last long against the combine might of the Justice League in a straight fight and the Elite would probably command whatever Justice League equivalent they set up and it would likely also have a fair amount of DC baddies in it as well. It's hard to imagine anything being a legit threat when Lex Luthor and Batman are on the same team.
*** Even if they kill Superman, I seriously doubt Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, and the others would bow before the Elite. They would rather die than surrender to them. If an "evil" Superman can defeat the Elite, imagine a pissed off Wonder Woman coming after them for killing her comrade/ex-lover/friend. Another problem is dealing with other super hero teams. How can 5 villains handle thousands of super heroes(who also have telekinesis) coming at them at once?

*** Even if they kill Superman, I seriously doubt Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, and the others would bow before the Elite. They would rather die than surrender to them. If an "evil" Superman can defeat the Elite, imagine a pissed off Wonder Woman coming after you for killing her comrade/ex-lover/friend.

** They would probably be marginally better suited to deal with Darkseid or Brainiac than the normal DC world. Presumably if the Elite had won all super powered beings would be under their control and could be used in an organized offensive against any invaders. As bad ass ad Darksied and Brainiac are they wouldn't last long against the combine might of the Justice League in a straight fight and the Elite would probably command whatever Justice League equivalent they set up and it would likely also have a fair amount of DC baddies in it as well. It's hard to imagine anything being a legit threat when Lex Luthor and Batman are on the same team.

** As the above example shows, The Elite is a group of petty criminals and Black is a narcissist. It's pretty obvious they were bound to fail.

* Do the Elite think they can whoop anyone who stand in their way? What if Darkseid or Brainiac shows up?

* Do the Elite think they can whoop anyone who stand in their way? What if Darkseid or Brainiac shows up?

* Right before the final battle between Superman and Manchester Black, Black tells Coldcast to ready another blast, claiming "As soon as he shows his 'S', I'm gonna flatten this whole city!" Superman does show up... and Black just hits him with telekinetic blasts. If he had enough power to level a city, why wasn't he dishing it out?

** Also, if I recall correctly, the film seemed to imply that Manchester Black had some sort of personality disorder which made him narcissistic, slightly lacking in the empathy department, and a ''teeny'' bit megalomaniacal. I don't think he was an outright [[TheSociopath sociopath]], but he at least had tendencies here and there. The rest of the Elite were little more than low-level thugs personality-wise. Such people usually have big ideas and a lot of grandiose plans, but rarely have either the stability or the foresight necessary to maintain those plans in the long-term.

** Superman took away Manchesters powers permanently. Something that he thinks is wrong to do to someone like Atomic Skull. He comes off very hypocritical in that regard.
*** In the original comic book even the lobotomy thing was a ruse to scare the crap out of Black. Superman had just given a temporary concussion to Black's brain anomaly so that it would shut down his powers only while the police locked him up properly.

* What the hell is with Lois talking about the deaths on the train from Black's origin like it was just another of their "kill the bad guy" moments? He didn't even know he HAD his powers then! It's nowhere near his fault! Are Lois and Clark really that [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]?
** I guess it was meant to show how callous Black is about collateral damage. Those people were a fair price so that his sister didn't have to die. A nobler person would have felt remorse that it happened and remind themselves that power [[ComesGreatResponsibility Comes Great Responsibility]].

** Heh... Well, Hat's powers mainly seem to come from his... well... Hat, and a series of enchanted trinkets. Maybe Supes just confiscated those.

** Also, if I recall correctly, the film seemed to imply that Manchester Black had some sort of personality disorder which made him narcissistic, slightly lacking in the empathy department, and a ''teeny'' bit megalomaniacal. I don't think he was an outright [[The Sociopath sociopath]], but he at least had tendencies here and there. The rest of the Elite were little more than low-level thugs personality-wise. Such people usually have big ideas and a lot of grandiose plans, but rarely have either the stability or the foresight necessary to maintain those plans in the long-term.

** Maybe they've been reading TheAuthority and think it'll work out the way it does in that comic. If the author's on your side and makes sure anyone who opposes you is secretly evil, things have a way of working out.

** First the plan at that particular step was clearly take down Superman and everybody else will fall in line. Which many of the heroes very well might have and worse many villains may very well have joined them. I can easily see Luthor approaching them. Sinestro would fit in rather well with their philosophy as well. Like a lot of comic villain plots however it's usually not best to think past whatever they were presently working on. Almost all plans have some what do you plan to do when the heroes/villains next door decide they don't love your plan hiccup in them.

* What the hell did the Elite plan to do? I mean, even if they would have managed to kill Supes, did they really think that they could just take over the world and shape it as it fits to them? They were still DOZENS of Superheroes on Earth, some of them even more powerful than Clark (Martian Manhunter, Flash). Whatever they planned to do, it was doomed to fail.

** Considering what Atomic Skull was, and that Supes seems to have a costume MadeOfIndestructium, there may have been a pragmatic reason for wrapping a radioactive corpse inside that cape until proper containment could be found.

* Superman taking off his cape and covering Atomic Skull's body with it - instead of any of the bodies of the ''innocent people Atomic Skull just killed for fun'' on the ground literally feet away - is just completely indefensible, out-of-character and absurd. He's not against killing villains because he loves them or something, it's because he believes in having a fair legal system run by a civilized public instead of individuals using might to make right.

** Heh... Well, Hat's powers mainly seem to come from his... well... Hat, and a series of enchanted trinkets. Maybe Supes just confiscated those.