History Headscratchers / StarTrekNemesis

28th Jul '16 6:36:52 AM Morgenthaler
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*** As an Admiral with a desk job, all of her orders and communications would be a matter of public record, and she'd be heavily scrutinized. It's sort of a combination of KickedUpstairs and PromotedToScapegoat / ReassignedToAntarctica. And as the above troper mentioned, there was no way in hell they were ever going to let her command a starship again. Everyone knows starship captains make the real plot changing decisions in Star Trek, and that Admirals are really only there as window dressing. Really it's an example of Starfleet Command being DangerouslyGenreSavvy.

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*** As an Admiral with a desk job, all of her orders and communications would be a matter of public record, and she'd be heavily scrutinized. It's sort of a combination of KickedUpstairs and PromotedToScapegoat / ReassignedToAntarctica. And as the above troper mentioned, there was no way in hell they were ever going to let her command a starship again. Everyone knows starship captains make the real plot changing decisions in Star Trek, and that Admirals are really only there as window dressing. Really it's an example of Starfleet Command being DangerouslyGenreSavvy.clever.
26th Jul '16 4:16:33 AM LordInsane
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** Presumably the order of events were 1) the Remans (and Shinzon) fight in the Dominion War as slave mooks and acquit themselves well, earning some respect from the regular military as well as opportunities to gain contacts with Romulans that might be amenable to working with them while the Tal Shiar is distracted by the massive ongoing conflict, 2) that meant that there were enough Romulans in the military who might be willing to listen to at least ''one'' of Shinzon's ideas for the future, whether the 'make the Remans more equal to the Romulans so their talents can be harnessed better against the enemies of the Romulan Star Empire', 'Destroy the Federation, our hereditary enemy' or 'Bring down the Tal Shiar's influence' (since at the very least they failed to stop the coup), 3) Shinzon might even have ''told'' some of his potential Romulan conspirators of his short life-span, meaning he wasn't going to be praetor for very long regardless of what happens, 4) the Tal Shiar was likely initially thrown into some confusion by the destruction of the Senate since it both killed their nominal superiors and might well have killed the actual leader of the Tal Shiar, and by the time they got things into order again, the Reman-augmented military was already in control. The Tal Shiar might well have been preparing for a counter-coup, perhaps using the fact that a human was in charge as a rallying cry... but Shinzon's regime fell apart in a matter of days thanks to his obsessions as it was ''anyway''.


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*** We do. The confirmation was that the reality the Narada showed up in was an alternate timeline/reality, at the very least from the point the Narada showed up. Every other source consistently indicates that the Narada ''came'' from the 'Prime' universe. How ''much'' of the RSE was destroyed is less certain, though an unexpectedly FTL supernova would explain how it could 'threaten the galaxy' and take the Romulan government by surprise.
3rd Jul '16 3:31:13 PM Luppercus
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** Other than the very weird hate some fans have over Janeway, truth is just the fact that she, you know, CAUSE A MAJOR VICTORY OVER THE BORGS, maybe reason enough to make her admiral. That and the fact that, as far as we know, the Federation's leadership does not share the fandom's hate over Janeway which is not canon at all and exists only in WMG and FanWang.

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** Other than the very weird hate some fans have over Janeway, truth is just the fact that she, you know, CAUSE A MAJOR VICTORY OVER THE BORGS, maybe reason enough to make her admiral. That and the fact that, as far as we know, the Federation's leadership does not share the fandom's hate over Janeway which is not canon at all and exists only in WMG and FanWang.FanWank.
2nd Jul '16 4:36:13 PM Luppercus
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***But this is a headscratcher, not a WMG, so unless there's any evidence that she was court-martialed in-universe (wether canon or at least expanded universe) then this is just fans expressing their hatred toward the character instead of properly respond a headscratcher.
2nd Jul '16 11:12:12 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** Janeway was almost certainly court-martialed when she arrived home. There was just no realistic way to avoid it. She made too many questionable decisions in her time in the Delta Quadrant. Consider the facts of many of those decisions from Starfleet's perspective, without the context that viewers enjoy, and a lot of those decisions start to look like serious crimes. For example, while her victory over the Borg was certainly impressive, Starfleet's probably going to get a little hung up on that time she [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion designed and supplied weapons of mass destruction to the Borg]]. Starfleet can't just ignore Janeway involving ''Voyager'' in a war between two current enemies of the Federation, and that's only one of the ''many'' violations of the Prime Directive that Janeway must have had to answer for when she returned home.

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*** Janeway was almost certainly court-martialed when she arrived home. There was just no realistic way to avoid it. She made too many questionable decisions in her time in the Delta Quadrant. Consider the facts of many of those decisions from Starfleet's perspective, without the context that viewers enjoy, and a lot of those decisions start to look like serious crimes. For example, while her victory over the Borg was certainly impressive, Starfleet's probably going to get a little hung up on that time she [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion [[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion designed and supplied weapons of mass destruction to the Borg]]. Starfleet can't just ignore Janeway involving ''Voyager'' in a war between two current enemies of the Federation, and that's only one of the ''many'' violations of the Prime Directive that Janeway must have had to answer for when she returned home.
2nd Jul '16 11:10:08 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** Janeway was almost certainly court-martialed when she arrived home. There was just no realistic way to avoid it. She made too many questionable decisions in her time in the Delta Quadrant. Consider the facts of many of those decisions from Starfleet's perspective, without the context that viewers enjoy, and a lot of those decisions start to look like serious crimes. For example, while her victory over the Borg was certainly impressive, Starfleet's probably going to get a little hung up on that time she [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion designed and supplied weapons of mass destruction to the Borg]]. Starfleet can't just ignore Janeway involving ''Voyager'' in a war between two current enemies of the Federation, and that's only one of the ''many'' violations of the Prime Directive that Janeway must have had to answer for when she returned home.
30th Jun '16 1:43:14 AM Luppercus
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*** Pre-warp civilization does not always mean pre-first contact civilization, is plausible (especially if they're near the Romulan space and Romulans, as far as I know, has no Prime Directive rule) that the civilization, though pre-warp, already was contacted by aliens.
30th Jun '16 1:29:19 AM Luppercus
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***Is there any indication that in-universe Janeway is as hated as she is in TV Tropes? Cause otherwise this whole headscratcher is kind of pointless.
30th Jun '16 1:23:12 AM Luppercus
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*** You know Adolf is still a very common name, right?
30th Jun '16 1:16:33 AM Luppercus
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** Other than the very weird hate some fans have over Janeway, truth is just the fact that she, you know, CAUSE A MAJOR VICTORY OVER THE BORGS, maybe reason enough to make her admiral. That and the fact that, as far as we know, the Federation's leadership does not share the fandom's hate over Janeway which is not canon at all and exists only in WMG and FanWang.
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