History Headscratchers / StarTrekNemesis

3rd Jul '16 3:31:13 PM Luppercus
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** Other than the very weird hate some fans have over Janeway, truth is just the fact that she, you know, CAUSE A MAJOR VICTORY OVER THE BORGS, maybe reason enough to make her admiral. That and the fact that, as far as we know, the Federation's leadership does not share the fandom's hate over Janeway which is not canon at all and exists only in WMG and FanWang.

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** Other than the very weird hate some fans have over Janeway, truth is just the fact that she, you know, CAUSE A MAJOR VICTORY OVER THE BORGS, maybe reason enough to make her admiral. That and the fact that, as far as we know, the Federation's leadership does not share the fandom's hate over Janeway which is not canon at all and exists only in WMG and FanWang.FanWank.
2nd Jul '16 4:36:13 PM Luppercus
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***But this is a headscratcher, not a WMG, so unless there's any evidence that she was court-martialed in-universe (wether canon or at least expanded universe) then this is just fans expressing their hatred toward the character instead of properly respond a headscratcher.
2nd Jul '16 11:12:12 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** Janeway was almost certainly court-martialed when she arrived home. There was just no realistic way to avoid it. She made too many questionable decisions in her time in the Delta Quadrant. Consider the facts of many of those decisions from Starfleet's perspective, without the context that viewers enjoy, and a lot of those decisions start to look like serious crimes. For example, while her victory over the Borg was certainly impressive, Starfleet's probably going to get a little hung up on that time she [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion designed and supplied weapons of mass destruction to the Borg]]. Starfleet can't just ignore Janeway involving ''Voyager'' in a war between two current enemies of the Federation, and that's only one of the ''many'' violations of the Prime Directive that Janeway must have had to answer for when she returned home.

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*** Janeway was almost certainly court-martialed when she arrived home. There was just no realistic way to avoid it. She made too many questionable decisions in her time in the Delta Quadrant. Consider the facts of many of those decisions from Starfleet's perspective, without the context that viewers enjoy, and a lot of those decisions start to look like serious crimes. For example, while her victory over the Borg was certainly impressive, Starfleet's probably going to get a little hung up on that time she [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion [[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion designed and supplied weapons of mass destruction to the Borg]]. Starfleet can't just ignore Janeway involving ''Voyager'' in a war between two current enemies of the Federation, and that's only one of the ''many'' violations of the Prime Directive that Janeway must have had to answer for when she returned home.
2nd Jul '16 11:10:08 AM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** Janeway was almost certainly court-martialed when she arrived home. There was just no realistic way to avoid it. She made too many questionable decisions in her time in the Delta Quadrant. Consider the facts of many of those decisions from Starfleet's perspective, without the context that viewers enjoy, and a lot of those decisions start to look like serious crimes. For example, while her victory over the Borg was certainly impressive, Starfleet's probably going to get a little hung up on that time she [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion designed and supplied weapons of mass destruction to the Borg]]. Starfleet can't just ignore Janeway involving ''Voyager'' in a war between two current enemies of the Federation, and that's only one of the ''many'' violations of the Prime Directive that Janeway must have had to answer for when she returned home.
30th Jun '16 1:43:14 AM Luppercus
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*** Pre-warp civilization does not always mean pre-first contact civilization, is plausible (especially if they're near the Romulan space and Romulans, as far as I know, has no Prime Directive rule) that the civilization, though pre-warp, already was contacted by aliens.
30th Jun '16 1:29:19 AM Luppercus
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***Is there any indication that in-universe Janeway is as hated as she is in TV Tropes? Cause otherwise this whole headscratcher is kind of pointless.
30th Jun '16 1:23:12 AM Luppercus
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*** You know Adolf is still a very common name, right?
30th Jun '16 1:16:33 AM Luppercus
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** Other than the very weird hate some fans have over Janeway, truth is just the fact that she, you know, CAUSE A MAJOR VICTORY OVER THE BORGS, maybe reason enough to make her admiral. That and the fact that, as far as we know, the Federation's leadership does not share the fandom's hate over Janeway which is not canon at all and exists only in WMG and FanWang.
15th May '16 4:49:28 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** It's no mystery: recall that they were going to have two weddings, the other one being on Betazed.
9th May '16 2:26:24 PM costanton11
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* Why wasn't Lwaxana Troi at her own daughter's wedding?
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