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* Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo. However, she later learns that her home may indeed be gone. Why does no one remember the wolf god they met before?
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*Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo. However, she later learns that her home may indeed be gone. Why does no one remember the wolf god they met before?
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** More puzzling is the fact that, despite that periodic bad harvests (which is not, within the anime at least, stated to be outright crop failure - it could be as mild as "the harvest is half the size it usually is, but no one's going hungry") are a ''known quantity'', the villagers apparently never took to making sure that there'd be enough stored so that they wouldn't have to worry about it. To this troper, it suggests that the villagers were so greedy that they were selling all the excess they could each year and not leaving anything in reserve, depending on Holo to give them a crop of equal size the next year in order to make it through the winter reliably.
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** More puzzling is the fact that, despite that periodic bad harvests (which is not, within the anime at least, stated to be outright crop failure - it could be as mild as "the harvest is half the size it usually is, but no one's going hungry") are a ''known quantity'', the villagers apparently never took to making sure that there'd be enough stored so that they wouldn't have to worry about it. To this troper, it It suggests that the villagers were so greedy that they were selling all the excess they could each year and not leaving anything in reserve, depending on Holo to give them a crop of equal size the next year in order to make it through the winter reliably.
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** The anime clarifies this (if memory serves) by having Holo ask if the tilted table would affect how the scales balanced; Lawrence confirms that they shouldn't, and Holo states that the scales seemed to be tilting with the table - implying that the scales the merchant is using are weighted to favour him rather than to reflect the true measure (which ''is'' a pretty grave offence) and the way that the table is tilted is just to keep people from noticing this. Lawrence follows up on the insinuation by asking to judge the scales' trustworthiness with his own weights. She also insinuates that the merchant is trying to get them drunk by giving them wine when they'd asked for water. (For context: the water in the medieval era was rarely trustworthy and it would often be made safe to drink by adding alcohol - such as wine. Thus, Lawrence would probably not see anything unusual in the water tasting like wine's been added to it, but Holo is insinuating that there isn't any water in the cups at all.)
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** The anime clarifies this (if memory serves) by having Holo ask if the tilted table would affect how the scales balanced; Lawrence confirms that they shouldn't, and Holo states that the scales seemed to be tilting with the table - implying that the scales the merchant is using are weighted to favour him rather than to reflect the true measure (which ''is'' a pretty grave offence) and the way that the table is tilted is just to keep people from noticing this. Lawrence follows up on the insinuation by asking to judge the scales' trustworthiness with his own weights. She also insinuates that the merchant is trying to get them drunk by giving them wine when they'd asked for water. (For context: the water in the medieval era was rarely trustworthy and it would often be made safe to drink by adding alcohol - such as wine. Thus, Lawrence would probably not see anything unusual in the water tasting like wine's been added to it, but Holo is insinuating that there isn't any water in the cups at all.)
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** She ''may'' mean it literally. Recall the very first episode, where after showcasing her true form to him, Lawrence is alone in a room and lays down on a bed... but in the space of time between two shots, [[StealthHiBye Holo appears right beside him]], and you'll notice that his wheat is there beside the bed. If she didn't teleport from a previous location right to the room (because of the wheat), perhaps she was 'within' the wheat, and suddenly appeared outside it when she chooses... or something similar. If nothing else, it's clear that it has powers when Holo's nearby and/or involved, though maybe not in general.
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* What exactly did Holo get in return for aiding the villagers with their harvests? It was referred to as a deal, not a favor, meaning that she didn't just do it out of the kindness of her heart. If she did provide such good harvests out of pure charity, then why did this desire to be charitable not surface more throughout the series? With the show's focus on economy, and the lead male character being a merchant, it's well established that a mutually beneficial deal is no bad thing, to which Holo candidly agrees.
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* What exactly did Holo get in return for aiding the villagers with their harvests? It was referred to as a deal, not a favor, meaning that she didn't just do it out of the kindness of her heart. If she did provide such good harvests out of pure charity, then why did this desire to be charitable not surface more throughout the series? With the show's focus on economy, and the lead male character being a merchant, it's well established that a mutually beneficial deal is no bad thing, to which Holo candidly agrees.agrees.
** Perhaps a sense of purpose? She's outright stated to be lonely due to her long lifespan in relation to any human she could befriend. Maybe, for lack of anything better, she accepted their praise and worship as a replacement for real companionship.
** Perhaps a sense of purpose? She's outright stated to be lonely due to her long lifespan in relation to any human she could befriend. Maybe, for lack of anything better, she accepted their praise and worship as a replacement for real companionship.
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** The anime clarifies this (if memory serves) by having Holo ask if the tilted table would affect how the scales balanced; Lawrence confirms that they shouldn't, and Holo states that the scales seemed to be tilting with the table - implying that the scales the merchant is using are weighted to favour him rather than to reflect the true measure (which ''is'' a pretty grave offence) and the way that the table is tilted is just to keep people from noticing this. Lawrence follows up on the insinuation by asking to judge the scales' trustworthiness with his own weights. She also insinuates that the merchant is trying to get them drunk by giving them wine when they'd asked for water. (For context: the water in the medieval era was rarely trustworthy and it would often be made safe to drink by adding alcohol - such as wine. Thus, Lawrence would probably not see anything unusual in the water tasting like wine's been added to it, but Holo is insinuating that there isn't any water in the cups at all.)
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** The anime clarifies this (if memory serves) by having Holo ask if the tilted table would affect how the scales balanced; Lawrence confirms that they shouldn't, and Holo states that the scales seemed to be tilting with the table - implying that the scales the merchant is using are weighted to favour him rather than to reflect the true measure (which ''is'' a pretty grave offence) and the way that the table is tilted is just to keep people from noticing this. Lawrence follows up on the insinuation by asking to judge the scales' trustworthiness with his own weights. She also insinuates that the merchant is trying to get them drunk by giving them wine when they'd asked for water. (For context: the water in the medieval era was rarely trustworthy and it would often be made safe to drink by adding alcohol - such as wine. Thus, Lawrence would probably not see anything unusual in the water tasting like wine's been added to it, but Holo is insinuating that there isn't any water in the cups at all.))
* What exactly did Holo get in return for aiding the villagers with their harvests? It was referred to as a deal, not a favor, meaning that she didn't just do it out of the kindness of her heart. If she did provide such good harvests out of pure charity, then why did this desire to be charitable not surface more throughout the series? With the show's focus on economy, and the lead male character being a merchant, it's well established that a mutually beneficial deal is no bad thing, to which Holo candidly agrees.
* What exactly did Holo get in return for aiding the villagers with their harvests? It was referred to as a deal, not a favor, meaning that she didn't just do it out of the kindness of her heart. If she did provide such good harvests out of pure charity, then why did this desire to be charitable not surface more throughout the series? With the show's focus on economy, and the lead male character being a merchant, it's well established that a mutually beneficial deal is no bad thing, to which Holo candidly agrees.
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* When Lawrence sells pepper, Horo uncovers the fact that the local merchant has a noticeably tilted table (on which he does the weighting). Both sides are pretending that it's a pretty grave offense and that it's basically amounts to cheating. Except that the local merchant uses center beam balance scales, which (as long as they are properly calibrated to 0 prior to weighting) are ''not affected by a tilted base.''
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** More puzzling is the fact that, despite that periodic bad harvests (which is not, within the anime at least, stated to be outright crop failure - it could be as mild as "the harvest is half the size it usually is, but no one's going hungry") are a ''known quantity'', the villagers apparently never took to making sure that there'd be enough stored so that they wouldn't have to worry about it. To this troper, it suggests that the villagers were so greedy that they were selling all the excess they could each year and not leaving anything in reserve, depending on Holo to give them a crop of equal size the next year in order to make it through the winter reliably.
* When Lawrence sells pepper, Horo uncovers the fact that the local merchant has a noticeably tilted table (on which he does the weighting). Both sides are pretending that it's a pretty grave offense and that it's basically amounts to cheating. Except that the local merchant uses center beam balance scales, which (as long as they are properly calibrated to 0 prior to weighting) are ''not affected by a tilted base.''''
** The anime clarifies this (if memory serves) by having Holo ask if the tilted table would affect how the scales balanced; Lawrence confirms that they shouldn't, and Holo states that the scales seemed to be tilting with the table - implying that the scales the merchant is using are weighted to favour him rather than to reflect the true measure (which ''is'' a pretty grave offence) and the way that the table is tilted is just to keep people from noticing this. Lawrence follows up on the insinuation by asking to judge the scales' trustworthiness with his own weights. She also insinuates that the merchant is trying to get them drunk by giving them wine when they'd asked for water. (For context: the water in the medieval era was rarely trustworthy and it would often be made safe to drink by adding alcohol - such as wine. Thus, Lawrence would probably not see anything unusual in the water tasting like wine's been added to it, but Holo is insinuating that there isn't any water in the cups at all.)
* When Lawrence sells pepper, Horo uncovers the fact that the local merchant has a noticeably tilted table (on which he does the weighting). Both sides are pretending that it's a pretty grave offense and that it's basically amounts to cheating. Except that the local merchant uses center beam balance scales, which (as long as they are properly calibrated to 0 prior to weighting) are ''not affected by a tilted base.
** The anime clarifies this (if memory serves) by having Holo ask if the tilted table would affect how the scales balanced; Lawrence confirms that they shouldn't, and Holo states that the scales seemed to be tilting with the table - implying that the scales the merchant is using are weighted to favour him rather than to reflect the true measure (which ''is'' a pretty grave offence) and the way that the table is tilted is just to keep people from noticing this. Lawrence follows up on the insinuation by asking to judge the scales' trustworthiness with his own weights. She also insinuates that the merchant is trying to get them drunk by giving them wine when they'd asked for water. (For context: the water in the medieval era was rarely trustworthy and it would often be made safe to drink by adding alcohol - such as wine. Thus, Lawrence would probably not see anything unusual in the water tasting like wine's been added to it, but Holo is insinuating that there isn't any water in the cups at all.)
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** The villagers saw Holo as a deity. Even if she explained her actions, there's no guarantee that the villagers believed her explanations. Far easier for them to believe that their capricious "god" is just making up excuses as to why she isn't aiding them at a particular moment in time then to accept that they have to bear with some minor misfortune to pay for their otherwise great abundance.
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** The villagers saw Holo as a deity. Even if she explained her actions, there's no guarantee that the villagers believed her explanations. Far easier for them to believe that their capricious "god" is just making up excuses as to why she isn't aiding them at a particular moment in time then to accept that they have to bear with some minor misfortune to pay for their otherwise great abundance.abundance.
* When Lawrence sells pepper, Horo uncovers the fact that the local merchant has a noticeably tilted table (on which he does the weighting). Both sides are pretending that it's a pretty grave offense and that it's basically amounts to cheating. Except that the local merchant uses center beam balance scales, which (as long as they are properly calibrated to 0 prior to weighting) are ''not affected by a tilted base.''
* When Lawrence sells pepper, Horo uncovers the fact that the local merchant has a noticeably tilted table (on which he does the weighting). Both sides are pretending that it's a pretty grave offense and that it's basically amounts to cheating. Except that the local merchant uses center beam balance scales, which (as long as they are properly calibrated to 0 prior to weighting) are ''not affected by a tilted base.''
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* Holo is vaguely mournful that her villagers came to consider her an oppressive thief for occasionally allowing bad harvests, but why did she never just ''explain'' she had to let the farmland rest for a while? Or better yet, why not warn them that the soil was getting exhausted and that they should set aside extra stores for the following year? A little heads up would've gone a long way to preserving her reputation. She appears to Lawrence easily enough on harvest night, why not to other villagers in past years? It doesn't seem very smart of Holo the Wise Wolf.
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* Holo is vaguely mournful that her villagers came to consider her an oppressive thief for occasionally allowing bad harvests, but why did she never just ''explain'' she had to let the farmland rest for a while? Or better yet, why not warn them that the soil was getting exhausted and that they should set aside extra stores for the following year? A little heads up would've gone a long way to preserving her reputation. She appears to Lawrence easily enough on harvest night, why not to other villagers in past years? It doesn't seem very smart of Holo the Wise Wolf.Wolf.
** The villagers saw Holo as a deity. Even if she explained her actions, there's no guarantee that the villagers believed her explanations. Far easier for them to believe that their capricious "god" is just making up excuses as to why she isn't aiding them at a particular moment in time then to accept that they have to bear with some minor misfortune to pay for their otherwise great abundance.
** The villagers saw Holo as a deity. Even if she explained her actions, there's no guarantee that the villagers believed her explanations. Far easier for them to believe that their capricious "god" is just making up excuses as to why she isn't aiding them at a particular moment in time then to accept that they have to bear with some minor misfortune to pay for their otherwise great abundance.
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** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with a flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story. The books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It really doesn't happen, so seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.
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** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with a flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story. The books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It really doesn't happen, so seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.people.
* Holo is vaguely mournful that her villagers came to consider her an oppressive thief for occasionally allowing bad harvests, but why did she never just ''explain'' she had to let the farmland rest for a while? Or better yet, why not warn them that the soil was getting exhausted and that they should set aside extra stores for the following year? A little heads up would've gone a long way to preserving her reputation. She appears to Lawrence easily enough on harvest night, why not to other villagers in past years? It doesn't seem very smart of Holo the Wise Wolf.
* Holo is vaguely mournful that her villagers came to consider her an oppressive thief for occasionally allowing bad harvests, but why did she never just ''explain'' she had to let the farmland rest for a while? Or better yet, why not warn them that the soil was getting exhausted and that they should set aside extra stores for the following year? A little heads up would've gone a long way to preserving her reputation. She appears to Lawrence easily enough on harvest night, why not to other villagers in past years? It doesn't seem very smart of Holo the Wise Wolf.
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* So, Okay, Holo claims to "dwell within the wheat" and says she'll disappear if it's destroyed. What does that MEAN exactly? Is that saying she'd die or something? Is her whole race like that, somehow just projecting from some sort of plant? Or is this some new development that happened to her after settling in Pasloe? It's so vague on what any of that means so far.
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** EverybodyRemembersTheStripper.
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** EverybodyRemembersTheStripper.BestKnownForTheFanservice.
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* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him down (many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Why is having a woman waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story. The books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It really doesn't happen, so seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story. The books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It really doesn't happen, so seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.
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* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him down (many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Why is having a woman outside waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with a flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some machodisplay, display and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story. The books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It really doesn't happen, so seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with a flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho
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* Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter [[spoiler:a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo.]] However in the second series Holo finds out [[spoiler:her homeland was destroyed and hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind.]] Why does no one bother to remember the [[spoiler:wolf god]] they met before?
** Her family/tribe and home are probably [[spoiler:destroyed]] she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that [[spoiler:all your family and friends died while you were away]]?
* How did we all come to decide that Horo should be naked in most fan art of her? She's only like that in one episode. It's not like it's much more than other anime characters do.
** We?
** [[PerverseSexualLust This.]]
** They must have cut out a lot of it for distribution in whatever region you're in. In the original, she gives the camera a full-frontal[[hottip:*:of BarbieDollAnatomy, but still...]] every second or third episode, not to mention ''every'' opening and closing.
*** ...No she doesn't. There's only any nudity at all in about four episodes, and two of them include only a single such scene each. Four out of ''twenty-six''.
*** As I said, while that may be true of [[{{Bowdlerise}} your version]], it's not true of the original. A quick check through just the first season showed four with full-frontals and two with partials, out of ''thirteen''. Not to mention ''every'' opening and closing of both seasons. \\
In addition, I think part of it lies with '''where''' the nudity takes place. Other anime women usually only disrobe in a bathhouse, shower, or something similar. [[InnocentFanserviceGirl Holo doesn't care]]. Clothes wet? Take them off and hang them up to dry. Clothes just uncomfortable? Not if you're not wearing them. Being ogled by some guy? Who cares?
* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him down(many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Could someone please explain to me how having a woman waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story.
*** Just thought I'd add that the books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It just doesn't happen. So seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.
** Her family/tribe and home are probably [[spoiler:destroyed]] she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that [[spoiler:all your family and friends died while you were away]]?
* How did we all come to decide that Horo should be naked in most fan art of her? She's only like that in one episode. It's not like it's much more than other anime characters do.
** We?
** [[PerverseSexualLust This.]]
** They must have cut out a lot of it for distribution in whatever region you're in. In the original, she gives the camera a full-frontal[[hottip:*:of BarbieDollAnatomy, but still...]] every second or third episode, not to mention ''every'' opening and closing.
*** ...No she doesn't. There's only any nudity at all in about four episodes, and two of them include only a single such scene each. Four out of ''twenty-six''.
*** As I said, while that may be true of [[{{Bowdlerise}} your version]], it's not true of the original. A quick check through just the first season showed four with full-frontals and two with partials, out of ''thirteen''. Not to mention ''every'' opening and closing of both seasons. \\
In addition, I think part of it lies with '''where''' the nudity takes place. Other anime women usually only disrobe in a bathhouse, shower, or something similar. [[InnocentFanserviceGirl Holo doesn't care]]. Clothes wet? Take them off and hang them up to dry. Clothes just uncomfortable? Not if you're not wearing them. Being ogled by some guy? Who cares?
* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him down(many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Could someone please explain to me how having a woman waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story.
*** Just thought I'd add that the books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It just doesn't happen. So seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.
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* Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter [[spoiler:a a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo.]] However in the second series Holo finds out [[spoiler:her homeland was destroyed and hysterical thinking Holo. However, she is the last of later learns that her kind.]] home may indeed be gone. Why does no one bother to remember the [[spoiler:wolf god]] wolf god they met before?
**Her If her family/tribe and home are probably [[spoiler:destroyed]] gone, she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that [[spoiler:all your family and friends died while you were away]]?
* How did we all come to decide that Why is Horo should be naked in most fan art of her? She's only like that in one episode. It's not like it's much more than other anime characters do.
her?
**We?
** [[PerverseSexualLust This.]]
** They must have cut out a lot of it for distribution in whatever region you're in. In the original, she gives the camera a full-frontal[[hottip:*:of BarbieDollAnatomy, but still...]] every second or third episode, not to mention ''every'' opening and closing.
*** ...No she doesn't. There's only any nudity at all in about four episodes, and two of them include only a single such scene each. Four out of ''twenty-six''.
*** As I said, while that may be true of [[{{Bowdlerise}} your version]], it's not true of the original. A quick check through just the first season showed four with full-frontals and two with partials, out of ''thirteen''. Not to mention ''every'' opening and closing of both seasons. \\
In addition, I think part of it lies with '''where''' the nudity takes place. Other anime women usually only disrobe in a bathhouse, shower, or something similar. [[InnocentFanserviceGirl Holo doesn't care]]. Clothes wet? Take them off and hang them up to dry. Clothes just uncomfortable? Not if you're not wearing them. Being ogled by some guy? Who cares?
EverybodyRemembersTheStripper.
* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn himdown(many down (many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Could someone please explain to me how Why is having a woman waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of thestory.
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** [[PerverseSexualLust This.]]
** They must have cut out a lot of it for distribution in whatever region you're in. In the original, she gives the camera a full-frontal[[hottip:*:of BarbieDollAnatomy, but still...]] every second or third episode, not to mention ''every'' opening and closing.
*** ...No she doesn't. There's only any nudity at all in about four episodes, and two of them include only a single such scene each. Four out of ''twenty-six''.
*** As I said, while that may be true of [[{{Bowdlerise}} your version]], it's not true of the original. A quick check through just the first season showed four with full-frontals and two with partials, out of ''thirteen''. Not to mention ''every'' opening and closing of both seasons. \\
In addition, I think part of it lies with '''where''' the nudity takes place. Other anime women usually only disrobe in a bathhouse, shower, or something similar. [[InnocentFanserviceGirl Holo doesn't care]]. Clothes wet? Take them off and hang them up to dry. Clothes just uncomfortable? Not if you're not wearing them. Being ogled by some guy? Who cares?
* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the
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*** As I said, while that may be true of [[{{Bowdlerise}} your version]], it's not true of the original. A quick check through just the first season showed four with full-frontals and two with partials, out of ''thirteen''. Not to mention ''every'' opening and closing of both seasons.
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In addition, I think part of it lies with '''where''' the nudity takes place. Other anime women usually only disrobe in a bathhouse, shower, or something similar. [[InnocentFanserviceGirl Holo doesn't care]]. Clothes wet? Take them off and hang them up to dry. Clothes just uncomfortable? Not if you're not wearing them. Being ogled by some guy? Who cares?
In addition, I think part of it lies with '''where''' the nudity takes place. Other anime women usually only disrobe in a bathhouse, shower, or something similar. [[InnocentFanserviceGirl Holo doesn't care]]. Clothes wet? Take them off and hang them up to dry. Clothes just uncomfortable? Not if you're not wearing them. Being ogled by some guy? Who cares?
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*** ...No she doesn't. There's only any nudity at all in about four episodes, and two of them include only a single such scene each. Four out of ''twenty-six''.
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*** ...No she doesn't. There's only any nudity at all in about four episodes, and two of them include only a single such scene each. Four out of ''twenty-six''.
''twenty-six''.
*** As I said, while that may be true of [[{{Bowdlerise}} your version]], it's not true of the original. A quick check through just the first season showed four with full-frontals and two with partials, out of ''thirteen''. Not to mention ''every'' opening and closing of both seasons.
*** As I said, while that may be true of [[{{Bowdlerise}} your version]], it's not true of the original. A quick check through just the first season showed four with full-frontals and two with partials, out of ''thirteen''. Not to mention ''every'' opening and closing of both seasons.
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*** ...No she doesn't. There's only any nudity at all in about four episodes, and two of them include only a single such scene each. Four out of ''twenty-six''.
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** They must have cut out a lot of it for distribution in whatever region you're in. In the original, she gives the camera a full-frontal[[hottip:*:of BarbieDollAnatomy, but still...]] every second or third episode, not to mention ''every'' opening and closing.
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** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story.
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** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story.story.
***Just thought I'd add that the books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It just doesn't happen. So seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.
***Just thought I'd add that the books make it much more clear how ridiculous it is for a traveling merchant to have a companion. It just doesn't happen. So seeing Holo inspires a lot of suspicion in people.
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* Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter [[spoiler:a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo. However in the second series Holo finds out her homeland was destroyed and hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind.]] Why does no one bother to remember the [[spoiler:wolf god]] they met before?
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* Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter [[spoiler:a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo. ]] However in the second series Holo finds out her [[spoiler:her homeland was destroyed and hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind.]] Why does no one bother to remember the [[spoiler:wolf god]] they met before?
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* Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo. However in the second series Holo finds out her homeland was destroyed and hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind. Why does no one bother to remember the wolf god they met before?
** Her family/tribe and home are probably destroyed she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that all your family and friends died while you were away?
** Her family/tribe and home are probably destroyed she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that all your family and friends died while you were away?
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* Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter a [[spoiler:a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo. However in the second series Holo finds out her homeland was destroyed and hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind. ]] Why does no one bother to remember the wolf god [[spoiler:wolf god]] they met before?
** Her family/tribe and home are probablydestroyed [[spoiler:destroyed]] she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told thatall [[spoiler:all your family and friends died while you were away?
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** Her family/tribe and home are probably
** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that
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** [[PerverseSexualLust This.]]
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* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him down(many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Could someone please explain to me how having a woman waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?
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* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him down(many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Could someone please explain to me how having a woman waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?offense?
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story.
** Holo is at the time dressed in fashionable city clothing, giving an impression of an unmarried young woman with flighty attitude. Every fellow merchant assumes that Lawrence wasted his money trying to impress a girl in some macho display, and is still making a fool of himself for her sake. Also, DeliberateValuesDissonance: taking a woman to business negotiations shows unprofessional attitude in the pseudo-Medieval culture of the story.
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** We?We?
* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him down(many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Could someone please explain to me how having a woman waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?
* In episode 10 when Lawrence is running around trying to find a merchant who would lend him money, all of them turn him down(many of them in horrifically insulting ways). It is only later that he has it spelled out for him that it is only because Holo is tagging along with him that he kept getting rejected. Could someone please explain to me how having a woman waiting outside for you is some sort of unforgivable offense?
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* How did we all come to decide that Horo should be naked in most fan art of her? She's only like that in one episode. It's not like it's much more than other anime characters do.
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* How did we all come to decide that Horo should be naked in most fan art of her? She's only like that in one episode. It's not like it's much more than other anime characters do.do.
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** We?
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* Near the end of the first season, and Lawrence encounter a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Holo. However in the second series Holo finds out her homeland was destroyed and hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind. Why does no one bother to remember the wolf god they met before?
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** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that all your family and friends died while you were away?
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** Essentially, how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that all your family and friends died while you were away?away?
* How did we all come to decide that Horo should be naked in most fan art of her? She's only like that in one episode. It's not like it's much more than other anime characters do.
* How did we all come to decide that Horo should be naked in most fan art of her? She's only like that in one episode. It's not like it's much more than other anime characters do.
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Near the end of the first season, Horo season, and Lawrence encounter a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Horo. Holo. However in the second series Horo Holo finds out her homeland was destroyed and hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind. Why does no one bother to remember the wolf god they met before?
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The collapse of the armor market seems contrived and unbelievable. They discuss how stable the armor market has been, and there has been an increase in mercenary/bandit attacks, which should increase the demand for armor. Instead, we are just told that the armor is worthless without any justification. For that matter, even if there was no demand for armor, high quality steel used to make the armor should still have been worth something.
* They explicitly state that the crash was due to [[spoiler:the cancellation of the northern expedition]].
Near the end of the first season, Horo and Lawrence encounter a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Horo. However in the second series Horo finds out her homeland was destroyed and nearly becomes hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind. Why does no one bother to remember the wolf god they met before?
* She's definitely hysterical, not "nearly" hysterical. Her family/tribe and home are probably destroyed she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
* Essentially, think how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that all your family and friends died while you were away.
* They explicitly state that the crash was due to [[spoiler:the cancellation of the northern expedition]].
Near the end of the first season, Horo and Lawrence encounter a pack of wild wolves led by a wolf god like Horo. However in the second series Horo finds out her homeland was destroyed and nearly becomes hysterical thinking she is the last of her kind. Why does no one bother to remember the wolf god they met before?
* She's definitely hysterical, not "nearly" hysterical. Her family/tribe and home are probably destroyed she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
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* They explicitly state that the crash was due to [[spoiler:the cancellation of the northern expedition]].
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* She's definitely hysterical, not "nearly" hysterical. Her family/tribe and home are probably destroyed she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
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* She's definitely hysterical, not "nearly" hysterical. Her family/tribe and home are probably destroyed she's "all alone" for good. There may be other gods, but she doesn't care about them. And Lawrence won't be around very long by her standards, plus they're not sure about their feelings for each other anyway.
* Essentially, think how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that all your family and friends died while you were away.
* Essentially, think how would you feel if you came back from a long vacation and was told that all your family and friends died while you were away.
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