History Headscratchers / Se7en

9th Apr '18 12:26:20 PM wislander
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*** The maximum sentence for voluntary manslaughter is generally 10 years. Considering that he was elaborately manipulated into killing, that the victim is a [[spoiler:serial killer]] without any surviving friends or family to testify, and that judges and juries are generally sympathetic to [[spoiler:police officers]], he would get at most three years in prison.

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*** The maximum sentence for voluntary manslaughter is generally 10 years. Considering that he was elaborately manipulated into killing, that the victim is a [[spoiler:serial killer]] without any surviving friends or family to testify, and that judges and juries are generally sympathetic to [[spoiler:police officers]], he [[spoiler:Mills]] would get at most three years in prison.
9th Apr '18 12:23:45 PM wislander
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*** The maximum sentence for voluntary manslaughter is generally 10 years. Considering that he was elaborately manipulated into killing, that the victim is a [[spoiler:serial killer]] without any surviving friends or family to testify, and that judges and juries are generally sympathetic to [[spoiler:police officers]], he would get at most three years in prison.
4th Mar '18 10:34:40 AM peacexfreedom
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* At the end of the movie, we learn that [[spoiler: John Doe has killed Mills' wife and unborn daughter,]] and goads [[spoiler: Mills]] into killing him, thereby becoming Wrath. Two problems:

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* At the end of the movie, we learn that [[spoiler: John Doe has killed Mills' wife and unborn daughter,]] child,]] and goads [[spoiler: Mills]] into killing him, thereby becoming Wrath. Two problems:
19th Feb '18 10:38:13 AM Miracle@StOlaf
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*** On that note, she could have gotten the damage repaired if she had the sense to get medical attention. Since John Doe wouldn't have picked her as a victim if he wasn't certain that she'd opt to overdose, he must have been counting her as a twofer on the unwritten eighth deadly sin of Stupidity.
30th Dec '17 9:30:13 PM Luppercus
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*** None of his other victims (except Wrath and maybe gluttony, who could have his tongue cut out) probably values their sins more than their life. Again, diagnosed narcissism or getting a lot of plastic surgery seems proof of pride enough to me.

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*** None of his other victims (except Wrath and maybe gluttony, who could have his tongue cut out) probably values their sins more than their life. Again, diagnosed narcissism or getting a lot of plastic surgery seems proof of pride enough to me.me.

* There's something that bugs me about the timeframe. So John Doe goes into [[spoiler:Mills' house, rapes his wife, kills her, cut her head off, arrange for the head to be delivered on a specific time and location and then goes to the police.]] So he has time to do all that before he arrives at the police station early in the morning schedule, and he was lucky enough to be process and to have his lawyer called and arrived just immediately... really? doesn't booking a suspect, interrogating him and letting him talk to his lawyer normally takes several hours? and in all that time [[spoiler:Mills]] at no point even call his home to say hello to his wife or to say "Hey, honey, guess what, we catch him! I'm so happy!" Just one phone call from [[spoiler:Mills]] to see how's the dog or what's for dinner a Doe's plan would've failed.
30th Dec '17 9:12:33 PM Luppercus
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** He didn't kill Pride victim either (she kills herself), have her choose to call for help would have survive, but desfigurated for life. Similarly depending on your interpretation the prostitute wasn't the guilty of Lust, thus her death was more of a way to punish the client who was the sinner, similarly on how [[spoiler:Mills]] do not die but his life is ruin. So technically for John Doe the death of the sinner is not always the goal, but to mess-up his life and mind forever.

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** He didn't kill Pride victim either (she kills herself), have her choose to call for help would have survive, but desfigurated for life. Similarly depending on your interpretation the prostitute wasn't the guilty of Lust, thus her death was more of a way to punish the client who was the sinner, similarly on how [[spoiler:Mills]] do not die but his life is ruin.ruinned. So technically for John Doe the death of the sinner is not always the goal, but to mess-up his life and mind forever.
30th Dec '17 9:11:39 PM Luppercus
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** He didn't kill Pride victim either (she kills herself), have her choose to call for help would have survive, but desfigurated for life. Similarly depending on your interpretation the prostitute wasn't the guilty of Lust, thus her death was more of a way to punish the client who was the sinner, similarly on how [[spoiler:Mills]] do not die but his life is ruin. So technically for John Doe the death of the sinner is not always the goal, but to mess-up his life and mind forever.
30th Dec '17 9:05:29 PM Luppercus
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*** The movie doesn't establish the victim's age, just says is a minor, she could be 17 years and 11 months old for that matter, probably the reason why the script takes the effort in calling him a pederast (someone into teens) instead of a pedophile (someone into prepubescent children), considering that he was a drug dealer, most likely the victim was a teenage girl client whether he tried to forced sexually or to sell drugs in exchange for sex (which albeit consensual is still statutory rape), if the girl is around 15, 16 or 17 is still a minor but he would hardly be considered a pedophile even for someone like John Doe, thus his main crime is still sloth.

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*** The movie doesn't establish the victim's age, just says is a minor, she could be 17 years and 11 months old for that matter, probably the reason why the script takes the effort in calling him a pederast (someone into teens) instead of a pedophile (someone into prepubescent children), considering that he was a drug dealer, most likely the victim was a teenage girl client whether he tried to forced her sexually or to sell drugs in exchange for sex (which albeit consensual is still statutory rape), if the girl is around 15, 16 or 17 is still a minor but he would hardly be considered a pedophile even for someone like John Doe, thus his main crime is still sloth.
30th Dec '17 9:04:27 PM Luppercus
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*** The movie doesn't establish the victim's age, just says is a minor, she could be 17 years and 11 months old for that matter, probably the reason why the script takes the effort in calling him a pederast (someone into teens) instead of a pedophile (someone into prepubescente children), considering that he was a drug dealer, most likely the victim was a teenage girl client whether he tried to forced sexually or to sell drugs in exchange for sex (which albeit consensual is still statutory rape), if the girl is around 15, 16 or 17 is still a minor but he would hardly be considered a pedophile even for someone like John Doe, thus his main crime is still sloth.

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*** The movie doesn't establish the victim's age, just says is a minor, she could be 17 years and 11 months old for that matter, probably the reason why the script takes the effort in calling him a pederast (someone into teens) instead of a pedophile (someone into prepubescente prepubescent children), considering that he was a drug dealer, most likely the victim was a teenage girl client whether he tried to forced sexually or to sell drugs in exchange for sex (which albeit consensual is still statutory rape), if the girl is around 15, 16 or 17 is still a minor but he would hardly be considered a pedophile even for someone like John Doe, thus his main crime is still sloth.
30th Dec '17 9:03:35 PM Luppercus
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*** The movie doesn't establish the victim's age, just says is a minor, she could be 17 years and 11 months old for that matter, probably the reason why the script takes the effort in calling him a pederast (someone into teens) instead of a pedophile (someone into prepubescente children), considering that he was a drug dealer, most likely the victim was a teenage girl client whether he tried to forced sexually or to sell drugs in exchange for sex (which albeit consensual is still statutory rape), if the girl is around 15, 16 or 17 is still a minor but he would hardly be considered a pedophile even for someone like John Doe, thus his main crime is still sloth.
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