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* What was the point in the Daedelus? It was so pointless. All it did was shoot buildings at random. It was so high up that they didn't even know where the saints were (given that they were just shooting all over the place, and not where they were standing out in the open). Even if they figured out the general area, the Daedelus covered so little that the boss was able to very easily run to the HQ and grab a helicopter with no resistance at all. All the Daedelus accomplished was a lot of civilian deaths, and for no apparent gain.

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* What was the point in the Daedelus? It was so pointless. All it did was shoot buildings at random. It was so high up that they didn't even know where the saints were (given that they were just shooting all over the place, and not where they were standing out in the open). Even if they figured out the general area, the Daedelus covered so little that the boss was able to very easily run to the HQ and grab a helicopter with no resistance at all. All the Daedelus accomplished was a lot of civilian deaths, and for no apparent gain.gain.
** Because it was blown up before it could do anything. The Daedalus was STAG's attempt at scorched earth; the situation was out of control so they would just level the city. It's why Monica wasn't going to authorise it.
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** It's probably a franchise.

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** It's probably a franchise.franchise.
* What was the point in the Daedelus? It was so pointless. All it did was shoot buildings at random. It was so high up that they didn't even know where the saints were (given that they were just shooting all over the place, and not where they were standing out in the open). Even if they figured out the general area, the Daedelus covered so little that the boss was able to very easily run to the HQ and grab a helicopter with no resistance at all. All the Daedelus accomplished was a lot of civilian deaths, and for no apparent gain.
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Lets not pollute this page with complaining that\'s blighted everywhere else, m\'kay.


*** This... is a [[FacePalm face palming]] level of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot, given what SR4 [[{{Sequelitis}} looks like so far]].
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*** This... is a [[FacePalm face palming]] level of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot, given what SR4 [[{{Sequelitis}} looks like so far]].
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** I think it is supposed to be destroyed at that point, given the fact that you gained a new stronghold (Safeword) in the previous mission chain, and the whole point of the last mission leading to this one is to protect Pierce while he and the Saints evacuate the penthouse. Somehow the game keep it fully functional afterwards, which is confusing storywise.
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* Why does the Boss need to buy Steelport's Planet Saints outlets? Doesn't the whole chain belong to the Saints to begin with?

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* Why does the Boss need to buy Steelport's Planet Saints outlets? Doesn't the whole chain belong to the Saints to begin with?with?
** It's probably a franchise.
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* Why does the Boss need to buy Steelport's Planet Saints outlets. Doesn't the whole chain belong to the Saints to begin with?

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* Why does the Boss need to buy Steelport's Planet Saints outlets. outlets? Doesn't the whole chain belong to the Saints to begin with?
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** It's likely she just didn't count Aishia because she wasn't a Saint, and was referring to the Boss's coma during the 1st and 2nd games gap.

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** It's likely she just didn't count Aishia because she wasn't a Saint, and was referring to the Boss's coma during the 1st and 2nd games gap.gap.
* Why does the Boss need to buy Steelport's Planet Saints outlets. Doesn't the whole chain belong to the Saints to begin with?
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** Additionally, the game's script has been confirmed to be several scripts frankensteined together. The attack was actually changed several times. At one point, it was actually at Johnny's funeral (as in, in Mourning Wood Cemetery). At one point, the city was nuked. Oh, and there was originally supposed to be two stingers, depending on which ending you chose. If you left Shaundi to die, she joined STAG. If you saved her, The Syndicate was revealed to have a new leader... Johnny Gat.
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* In NightBlayde Returns, Viola makes an offhand comment about how the Boss' methods have led to "Three Dead Friends and a Coma". By my math, there are four dead friends. Lin, Carlos, Gat and Aishia. So, who is she not talking about?

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* In NightBlayde Returns, Viola makes an offhand comment about how the Boss' methods have led to "Three Dead Friends and a Coma". By my math, there are four dead friends. Lin, Carlos, Gat and Aishia. So, who is she not talking about?about?
** It's likely she just didn't count Aishia because she wasn't a Saint, and was referring to the Boss's coma during the 1st and 2nd games gap.
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** If you listen as the scene is loading, you hear conversation snippets, the sound of the peopel slowing down and getting distorted, so it is likely that these represent Boss getting drugged, stripped, and put in the "waiting cell" as Zimos does his thing.

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** If you listen as the scene is loading, you hear conversation snippets, the sound of the peopel slowing down and getting distorted, so it is likely that these represent Boss getting drugged, stripped, and put in the "waiting cell" as Zimos does his thing.thing.
* In NightBlayde Returns, Viola makes an offhand comment about how the Boss' methods have led to "Three Dead Friends and a Coma". By my math, there are four dead friends. Lin, Carlos, Gat and Aishia. So, who is she not talking about?
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** Maybe Gat felt they've sold out and haven't been "keepin' it real", so to speak. Even bank robberies are seen as publicity stunts (IIRC there's one line from the armored helicopter at the beginning that says 'This publicity stunt is over!'). They've become less about being "gangstas" and more about being celebrities, more concerned with their brand name and the profits than about being feared and respected. In other words, they've become 'The Saints/Ultor Media Group' as opposed to 'The 3rd Street Saints'.
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* What happened to the Boss between getting in Zimos' van and waking up in the brothel?

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* What happened to the Boss between getting in Zimos' van and waking up in the brothel?brothel?
** If you listen as the scene is loading, you hear conversation snippets, the sound of the peopel slowing down and getting distorted, so it is likely that these represent Boss getting drugged, stripped, and put in the "waiting cell" as Zimos does his thing.
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*** Incidentally, that is one of the main reasons she became a {{Scrappy}}

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*** Incidentally, that is one of the main reasons she became a {{Scrappy}}
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*** Incidentally, that is one of the main reasons she became a [[Scrappy.]]

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*** Incidentally, that is one of the main reasons she became a [[Scrappy.]]
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*** Incidentally, that is one of the main reasons she became a [[Scrappy.]]
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* What was the point of that whole sequence where STAG attacks the penthouse, storywise?

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* What was the point of that whole sequence where STAG attacks the penthouse, storywise?storywise?
* What happened to the Boss between getting in Zimos' van and waking up in the brothel?
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*** That still ignores that the Saints have racked up a pretty impressive body count and likely billions of dollars of damage to achieve their goals. They make any domestic terrorists look like little leaguers.

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*** That still ignores that the Saints have racked up a pretty impressive body count and likely billions of dollars of damage to achieve their goals. They make any domestic terrorists look like little leaguers.leaguers.
* What exactly was so great about the Saints before they became corporate whores? What couldn't they do anymore?
* How did Oleg know so much about the layout of the Syndicate Tower?
* What was the point of that whole sequence where STAG attacks the penthouse, storywise?
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When Killbane attacks you at the beginning of Act 2, Shaundi says "What he did to Johnny's funeral, yadda yada yada." But we never see a funeral, and that was the first contact they had with him. What?
* If you blew up the Syndicate building Boss will say they're going back for Gat's funeral. Watch the bridge cut scene again and you'll see one of the vehicles is a purple hearse which Killbane blows off the road. Sparing the building doesn't mention the funeral, making it a little ambiguous.
** Ah okay, yeah I saved the building so I didn't get that text.

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* When Killbane attacks you at the beginning of Act 2, Shaundi says "What he did to Johnny's funeral, yadda yada yada." But we never see a funeral, and that was the first contact they had with him. What?
* ** If you blew up the Syndicate building Boss will say they're going back for Gat's funeral. Watch the bridge cut scene again and you'll see one of the vehicles is a purple hearse which Killbane blows off the road. Sparing the building doesn't mention the funeral, making it a little ambiguous.
** *** Ah okay, yeah I saved the building so I didn't get that text.

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* So in the penultimate mission when the villain threatens to frame the Saints for blowing up a local landmark, the Boss responds "The Saints ain't about domestic terrorism". So what the hell would you call going on a rampage in a major american city with a tank, attacking the police with attack choppers, riding a flaming qaudbike through the streets, unleashing zombie hordes, blowing up buildings, and just about everything else they do in the game then?
** Business. All of those acts were meant to help gain control of a part of the city, or they were meant to give the Syndicate the middle finger (and the Zombie thing was an accident). Blowing up a famous monument doesn't affect the Syndicate in any way, so why would they bother?

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\n** Because she changed and clearly was filling in Johnny Gat's role. And they probably didn't feel the need to have a sound-a-like do her voice. Not everyone played Saint's Row 2.

* So in the penultimate mission when the villain threatens to frame the Saints for blowing up a local landmark, the Boss responds "The Saints ain't about domestic terrorism". So what the hell would you call going on a rampage in a major american American city with a tank, attacking the police with attack choppers, riding a flaming qaudbike quadbike through the streets, unleashing zombie hordes, blowing up buildings, and just about everything else they do in the game then?
** Business. All of those acts were meant to help gain control of a part of the city, or they were meant to give the Syndicate the middle finger (and the Zombie thing was an accident). Blowing up a famous monument doesn't affect the Syndicate in any way, so why would they bother?bother?
*** That still ignores that the Saints have racked up a pretty impressive body count and likely billions of dollars of damage to achieve their goals. They make any domestic terrorists look like little leaguers.
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* So in the penultimate mission when the villain threatens to frame the Saints for blowing up a local landmark, the Boss responds "The Saints ain't about domestic terrorism". So what the hell would you call going on a rampage in a major american city with a tank, attacking the police with attack choppers, riding a flaming qaudbike through the streets, unleashing zombie hordes, blowing up buildings, and just about everything else they do in the game then?

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* So in the penultimate mission when the villain threatens to frame the Saints for blowing up a local landmark, the Boss responds "The Saints ain't about domestic terrorism". So what the hell would you call going on a rampage in a major american city with a tank, attacking the police with attack choppers, riding a flaming qaudbike through the streets, unleashing zombie hordes, blowing up buildings, and just about everything else they do in the game then?then?
** Business. All of those acts were meant to help gain control of a part of the city, or they were meant to give the Syndicate the middle finger (and the Zombie thing was an accident). Blowing up a famous monument doesn't affect the Syndicate in any way, so why would they bother?

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Why did they go out of their way to make Shaundi look so different? Whats more, why couldn't they have gotten somebody who sounds a little more like Eliza Dushku to play her? I know people's looks change and everything, but their voices don't change that much. Shaundi seemed like a completely different character in every single way.

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* Why did they go out of their way to make Shaundi look so different? Whats more, why couldn't they have gotten somebody who sounds a little more like Eliza Dushku to play her? I know people's looks change and everything, but their voices don't change that much. Shaundi seemed like a completely different character in every single way.way.

* So in the penultimate mission when the villain threatens to frame the Saints for blowing up a local landmark, the Boss responds "The Saints ain't about domestic terrorism". So what the hell would you call going on a rampage in a major american city with a tank, attacking the police with attack choppers, riding a flaming qaudbike through the streets, unleashing zombie hordes, blowing up buildings, and just about everything else they do in the game then?
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** Plus (IIRC) all the bombs are on what seem to be supply crates, so Kia could have told them to dig in because the Saints were coming when really she was just preparing to blow the statue

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** Plus (IIRC) all the bombs are on what seem to be supply crates, so Kia could have told them to dig in because the Saints were coming when really she was just preparing to blow the statuestatue

Why did they go out of their way to make Shaundi look so different? Whats more, why couldn't they have gotten somebody who sounds a little more like Eliza Dushku to play her? I know people's looks change and everything, but their voices don't change that much. Shaundi seemed like a completely different character in every single way.
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** If you don't go kill Kia, Cyrus admonishes you for blowing up the monument. When the boss says it was all Kia, Cyrus doesn't believe him. Since there's no cameras or anything nearby, there's no reason for him to lie. If he knew, he probably wold have been like "Now that we framed you we can use our full might."

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** If you don't go kill Kia, Cyrus admonishes you for blowing up the monument. When the boss says it was all Kia, Cyrus doesn't believe him. Since there's no cameras or anything nearby, there's no reason for him to lie. If he knew, he probably wold have been like "Now that we framed you we can use our full might.""
** Plus (IIRC) all the bombs are on what seem to be supply crates, so Kia could have told them to dig in because the Saints were coming when really she was just preparing to blow the statue
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* Why does everyone assume Kia was acting on her own accord in the final mission, and that Cyrus and S.T.A.G. had nothing to do with it? There were S.T.A.G. soldiers all over the statue. There was no way what Kia was doing could be concealed from all of them, and the fact that so many of them sat by and watched, and tried to help Kia is about all the evidence you need to realize that either A: S.T.A.G. is just as evil as the Saints could ever be. Or B: That Cyrus is a lousy commander who can't even keep track of the people closest to him to keep them in line. And considering how willing Cyrus was to bombard Steelport into rubble the former is far more likely.

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* Why does everyone assume Kia was acting on her own accord in the final mission, and that Cyrus and S.T.A.G. had nothing to do with it? There were S.T.A.G. soldiers all over the statue. There was no way what Kia was doing could be concealed from all of them, and the fact that so many of them sat by and watched, and tried to help Kia is about all the evidence you need to realize that either A: S.T.A.G. is just as evil as the Saints could ever be. Or B: That Cyrus is a lousy commander who can't even keep track of the people closest to him to keep them in line. And considering how willing Cyrus was to bombard Steelport into rubble the former is far more likely.likely.
** If you don't go kill Kia, Cyrus admonishes you for blowing up the monument. When the boss says it was all Kia, Cyrus doesn't believe him. Since there's no cameras or anything nearby, there's no reason for him to lie. If he knew, he probably wold have been like "Now that we framed you we can use our full might."
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** Ah okay, yeah I saved the building so I didn't get that text.

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** Ah okay, yeah I saved the building so I didn't get that text.text.
* Why does everyone assume Kia was acting on her own accord in the final mission, and that Cyrus and S.T.A.G. had nothing to do with it? There were S.T.A.G. soldiers all over the statue. There was no way what Kia was doing could be concealed from all of them, and the fact that so many of them sat by and watched, and tried to help Kia is about all the evidence you need to realize that either A: S.T.A.G. is just as evil as the Saints could ever be. Or B: That Cyrus is a lousy commander who can't even keep track of the people closest to him to keep them in line. And considering how willing Cyrus was to bombard Steelport into rubble the former is far more likely.
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** Ah okay, yeah I saved the building so I didn't get that text. But then I kept Kyteblayde so STAG blew it up later anyway. And I had upgraded it all the way too. Stupid decision thing didn't say they were gonna blow up the building if I kept him.

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** Ah okay, yeah I saved the building so I didn't get that text. But then I kept Kyteblayde so STAG blew it up later anyway. And I had upgraded it all the way too. Stupid decision thing didn't say they were gonna blow up the building if I kept him.
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* If you blew up the Syndicate building Boss will say they're going back for Gat's funeral. Watch the bridge cut scene again and you'll see one of the vehicles is a purple hearse which Killbane blows off the road. Sparing the building doesn't mention the funeral, making it a little ambiguous.

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* If you blew up the Syndicate building Boss will say they're going back for Gat's funeral. Watch the bridge cut scene again and you'll see one of the vehicles is a purple hearse which Killbane blows off the road. Sparing the building doesn't mention the funeral, making it a little ambiguous.ambiguous.
** Ah okay, yeah I saved the building so I didn't get that text. But then I kept Kyteblayde so STAG blew it up later anyway. And I had upgraded it all the way too. Stupid decision thing didn't say they were gonna blow up the building if I kept him.
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When Killbane attacks you at the beginning of Act 2, Shaundi says "What he did to Johnny's funeral, yadda yada yada." But we never see a funeral, and that was the first contact they had with him. What?

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When Killbane attacks you at the beginning of Act 2, Shaundi says "What he did to Johnny's funeral, yadda yada yada." But we never see a funeral, and that was the first contact they had with him. What?What?
* If you blew up the Syndicate building Boss will say they're going back for Gat's funeral. Watch the bridge cut scene again and you'll see one of the vehicles is a purple hearse which Killbane blows off the road. Sparing the building doesn't mention the funeral, making it a little ambiguous.
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When Killbane attacks you at the beginning of Act 2, Shaundi says "What he did to Johnny's funeral, yadda yada yada." But we never see a funeral, and that was the first contact they had with him. What?

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