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** Except that only explains why she changed, not why she changed to how she is now. I could understand why she would become more mature, or at least stop smoking, but she's also became super serious ALL the time, in the opening level [[spoiler: before the death of Gat]] she expresses distaste in Birk's easy going-ness, and later takes every opertunity to act angry and snippy. With Dex, it was because he gained newfound power (A high ranking place at a corupt corporation instead of being a gangs smart guy) and wanted to protect this power, an understandable change. But Gat and Pierce didn't change that much from their new found status as media icons (Pierce did become a lot more respected, but that's more of people around him changing than he himself changing), yet Shaundi doesn't even personally resemble her previous self. That explanation doesn't explain her new personality or why she became so angry.

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** Except that only explains why she changed, not why she changed to how she is now. I could understand why she would become more mature, or at least stop smoking, but she's also became super serious ALL the time, in the opening level [[spoiler: before the death of Gat]] she expresses distaste in Birk's easy going-ness, and later takes every opertunity to act angry and snippy. With Dex, it was because he gained newfound power (A high ranking place at a corupt corrupt corporation instead of being a gangs smart guy) and wanted to protect this power, an understandable change. But Gat and Pierce didn't change that much from their new found status as media icons (Pierce did become a lot more respected, but that's more of people around him changing than he himself changing), yet Shaundi doesn't even personally resemble her previous self. That explanation doesn't explain her new personality or why she became so angry.
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* Why is the mission "Party Time" not a stronghold? Since you're raiding and taking over a Morningstar building, wouldn't it have made more sense to make it a stronghold?

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* Why is the mission "Party Time" not a stronghold? Since you're raiding and taking over a Morningstar building, wouldn't it have made more sense to make it a stronghold?stronghold?
** Probably due to the fact that you can destroy it, if you take it over it's already somewhat of a stronghold, it has a helipad and stuff.
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** Given modern political stances on stuff like this? Yes. If Ultor threw around a couple million or so to in order to allow them to do it? Yes.

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** Given modern political stances on stuff like this? Yes. If Ultor threw around a couple million or so to in order to allow them to do it? Yes.Yes.
* Why is the mission "Party Time" not a stronghold? Since you're raiding and taking over a Morningstar building, wouldn't it have made more sense to make it a stronghold?
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** As for sending someone else to kill Killbane, there wasn't really any Saints who could pull that off. Angel had his head handed to him the last time he fought Killbane, Pierce and ''especially'' Kinzie would struggle to overpower him. Oleg's the only person who could've fought Killbane on equal terms, but there you go, that's LastSecondChoiceEnding for you.
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** The Daedalus was meant to be the shock and awe option. Cyrus Temple was certain that just having such a powerful weapon at their disposal would keep the gangs in line. Unfortunately for Temple, he badly underestimated just how determined and dangerous the Saints can be.
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dewicking per TRS thread.


*** There's also the fact that, at least in this troper's personal experience, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop people who used to do drugs frequently tend to become less fun and a lot quicker to anger once they quit drugs]], which is probably a combination of brain chemical imbalances created by the drug's absence(which would probably take quite a while to rectify, sometimes years) as well as shame and regret over all the years and money they "wasted" on their habit manifesting itself as anger. Former drug users tend to not be very happy people in the short term, though I suppose it is better in the long run so long as they don't relapse.

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*** There's also the fact that, at least in this troper's personal experience, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop people who used to do drugs frequently tend to become less fun and a lot quicker to anger once they quit drugs]], drugs, which is probably a combination of brain chemical imbalances created by the drug's absence(which would probably take quite a while to rectify, sometimes years) as well as shame and regret over all the years and money they "wasted" on their habit manifesting itself as anger. Former drug users tend to not be very happy people in the short term, though I suppose it is better in the long run so long as they don't relapse.
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* I know Steelport is an economically-collapsed city, but is it really that much of a cesspool that they would let Ultor leave canisters of ''zombie gas lying around in public''?

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* I know Steelport is an economically-collapsed city, but is it really that much of a cesspool that they would let Ultor leave canisters of ''zombie gas lying around in public''?public''?
** Given modern political stances on stuff like this? Yes. If Ultor threw around a couple million or so to in order to allow them to do it? Yes.
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** Like many military organizations, STAG most likely has military intelligence look through the files of their enemies. In Saints Row IV, Cyrus mentions that the government had him review Johnny's file shortly before STAG's deployment into Steelport, so I'm pretty sure they mention that he's deceased.



** With STAG's influence and presence, it probably got spun into a situation where STAG's apparent defense of the statue lead to the bombs being detonated prematurely rather than risk being disarmed.

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** With STAG's influence and presence, it probably got spun into a situation where STAG's apparent defense of the statue lead to the bombs being detonated prematurely rather than risk being disarmed.disarmed.
* I know Steelport is an economically-collapsed city, but is it really that much of a cesspool that they would let Ultor leave canisters of ''zombie gas lying around in public''?
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** MicroSoft was hacked a few years ago. ''Microsoft.'' A multi billion dollar company that would be harder to crack than the Pentagon. And Matt is an electronic god. If you know what you're doing you can work around something and get it to work in a way it's not supposed to, with relative ease (think getting your XBOX high def without the proper cables or TV, except on a much grander scale.)

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** MicroSoft Microsoft was hacked a few years ago. ''Microsoft.'' A multi billion dollar company that would be harder to crack than the Pentagon. And Matt is an electronic god. If you know what you're doing you can work around something and get it to work in a way it's not supposed to, with relative ease (think getting your XBOX high def without the proper cables or TV, except on a much grander scale.)
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** Her quitting drugs may have had something to do with it. Everyone knows that smoking cigarettes deepens your voice (I'm no expert on drugs, but I assume marijuana does the same). I haven't played Saint's Row 2, but I have heard Eliza Dusku's voice and assuming she used her natural voice it's low and raspy like a typical stoner. Shaundi stops smoking weed and her voice eventually repairs itself. A similar thing happened to Creator/DonMessick, [[Characters/ScoobyDoo Scooby Zoo's]] original voice actor. He stopped smoking several years before he died and as a result, he lost the gruffness in his voice required to perform Scooby's voice.

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** Her quitting drugs may have had something to do with it. Everyone knows that smoking cigarettes deepens your voice (I'm no expert on drugs, but I assume marijuana does the same). I haven't played Saint's Row 2, but I have heard Eliza Dusku's voice and assuming she used her natural voice it's low and raspy like a typical stoner. Shaundi stops smoking weed and her voice eventually repairs itself. A similar thing happened to Creator/DonMessick, [[Characters/ScoobyDoo Scooby Zoo's]] Doo's]] original voice actor. He stopped smoking several years before he died and as a result, he lost the gruffness in his voice required to perform Scooby's voice.
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** The Save Shaundi ending is canon by Saints Row IV. Shaundi is still alive, the Boss is now President of the United States, and [[spoiler: Earth is destroyed, which probably ends the SharedUniverse of SaintsRow and RedFaction]].

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** The Save Shaundi ending is canon by Saints Row IV. Shaundi is still alive, the Boss is now President of the United States, and [[spoiler: Earth is destroyed, which probably ends the SharedUniverse of SaintsRow VideoGame/SaintsRow and RedFaction]].VideoGame/RedFaction]].
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** Her quitting drugs may have had something to do with it. Everyone knows that smoking cigarettes deepens your voice (I'm no expert on drugs, but I assume marijuana does the same). I haven't played Saint's Row 2, but I have heard Eliza Dusku's voice and assuming she used her natural voice it's low and raspy like a typical stoner. Shaundi stops smoking weed and her voice eventually repairs itself. A similar thing happened to DonMessick, [[Characters/ScoobyDoo Scooby Zoo's]] original voice actor. He stopped smoking several years before he died and as a result, he lost the gruffness in his voice required to perform Scooby's voice.

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** Her quitting drugs may have had something to do with it. Everyone knows that smoking cigarettes deepens your voice (I'm no expert on drugs, but I assume marijuana does the same). I haven't played Saint's Row 2, but I have heard Eliza Dusku's voice and assuming she used her natural voice it's low and raspy like a typical stoner. Shaundi stops smoking weed and her voice eventually repairs itself. A similar thing happened to DonMessick, Creator/DonMessick, [[Characters/ScoobyDoo Scooby Zoo's]] original voice actor. He stopped smoking several years before he died and as a result, he lost the gruffness in his voice required to perform Scooby's voice.
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** They're not buying the store, they're buying the property, ie the land.
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** With STAG's influence and presence, it probably got spun into a situation where STAG's apparent defense of the statue lead to the bombs being detonated prematurely rather than risk being disarmed.
* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of Retcon he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not in SR:TT?]]

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** With STAG's influence and presence, it probably got spun into a situation where STAG's apparent defense of the statue lead to the bombs being detonated prematurely rather than risk being disarmed.
* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of Retcon he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not in SR:TT?]]
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** Note that it's never revealed ''what'' or ''how much'' Boss was given in either instance. So it's possible that Morningstar simply didn't use the same drug cocktail that the Samedi used.
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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of Retcon he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]

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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of Retcon he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]not in SR:TT?]]
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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of [[Retcon Retcon]] he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]

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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of [[Retcon Retcon]] Retcon he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]
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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of [[Retcon Retcon,]] he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]

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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of [[Retcon Retcon,]] Retcon]] he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]
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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of Retcon, he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]

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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but due to the amazing power of Retcon, [[Retcon Retcon,]] he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]
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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but do the the amazing power of Retcon, he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]

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* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but do the due to the amazing power of Retcon, he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]
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** With STAG's influence and presence, it probably got spun into a situation where STAG's apparent defense of the statue lead to the bombs being detonated prematurely rather than risk being disarmed.

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** With STAG's influence and presence, it probably got spun into a situation where STAG's apparent defense of the statue lead to the bombs being detonated prematurely rather than risk being disarmed.disarmed.
* Okay, so we all know how [[spoiler:Johnny Gat dies]], but do the the amazing power of Retcon, he was [[spoiler:revived, with the explanation that he was taken by Zinyak before he died,]] but the thing is, the devs didn't know about SR:IV and it's story then, so why exactly did they make it all ambiguous as to if [[spoiler:he died or not?]]

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