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** Cause Vader is ''Anakin Skywalker'', a man who always let his emotions cloud his judgment. If he knew that the Rebel squad had the plans, it just made him even more angry (doesn't help that the Sith Code encourages one to embrace their emotions). Therefore, this is just one of the many instances in the ''Star Wars'' Universe showing what happens when people let their emotions get the better of them.
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** Finally, this is the Rebellion at its lowest, most morally-gray point we're talking about. Remember what happened to Cassian's contact at the beginning? Even if destroying the whole ship wasn't an option, Raddus or some other officer may have pulled a Tivik on ''Profundity'''s bridge staff and wiped the navicomputers, then gone out in a blaze of glory.
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** Finally, the drive from Scariff's archive may have been so large to accommodate ''future'' records about the Death Star, such as maintenance reports, modification plans, combat-effectiveness analyses, etc. The Empire had intended to use the damn thing for ''centuries'', after all; they never counted on it getting blown to smithereens within weeks of its completion.
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** Finally, the hard drive from Scariff's Scarif's archive may have been made so large in order to accommodate ''future'' records about the Death Star, such as maintenance reports, modification plans, combat-effectiveness analyses, etc. The Empire had intended to use the that damn thing for ''centuries'', after all; they never counted on it getting blown to smithereens within weeks of its completion.
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** Finally, the drive from Scariff's archive may have been so large to accommodate ''future'' records about the Death Star, such as maintenance reports, modification plans, combat-effectiveness analyses, etc. The Empire had intended to use the damn thing for ''centuries'', after all; they never counted on it getting blown to smithereens within weeks of its completion.
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** Given what we've seen of [[BadBoss Palpatine's]] [[CloningBlues treatment]] of him, he was probably [[ThrownOutTheAirlock jettisoned]] ''in'' the EU at least a couple of times.
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** Given what we've seen of [[BadBoss Palpatine's]] [[CloningBlues treatment]] treatment of him, he was probably [[ThrownOutTheAirlock jettisoned]] ''in'' the EU at least a couple of times.
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** Possibly a strategic reason too. Once the warning went out, it didn’t take long for the Empire to find out about it and trace it back to Eadu and then Galen. Had this happened much earlier, the Empire would have killed him and taken a very close look at everything he had been doing. The warning might have been wasted if the Rebels weren’t ready to act immediately upon receiving it. Maybe he waited for them to build up the military might to have a chance.
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** Given how secret the Death Star was, it's likely that nearly every message, meeting and even casual interaction was being monitored. Galen had to record his own message in secret and pass it along to someone he trusted, so perhaps the last minute nature of it was a result of how long it took to find another Imperial he trusted.
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* Galen was working on his “revenge” for over a decade, but the Rebels didn’t find out that the “planet killer” even existed until it was ready to go live. Did it really take him that long to find a way to get a message to them, or was there some strategic reason for waiting until the last second?
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* Galen was working on his “revenge” for over a decade, but the Rebels didn’t find out that the “planet killer” even existed until it was ready to go live. Did it really take him that long to find a way to get a message to them, or was there some strategic reason for waiting until the last second?
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*** Fun fact about the A-bomb; while it changed war on the macro scale, it didn't do much to shorten WWII for the exact reasons cited here; it didn't fundamentally change the balance of power or how the war was being fought; by the time of Hiroshima, Japan knew it would lose and had already lost several cities to bombings; they were holding out for favorable terms of surrender ([[PoorCommunicationKills which the US was willing to grant them from the start, but didn't say so]]). The A-bombings didn't change much in their government; the war ended later when moderates convinced the Emperor to make a rare decree to accept surrender.
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*Did Galen give his daughter the nickname 'Stardust' after the project he was working on or was he responsible for naming the project and named it after his daughter? Either option is quite odd, considering the project regarded a weapon of mass destruction, but Jyn was apparently born in 22BBY and 'Stardust is mentioned in the Badbatch which is set around 19BBY - which possibly infers the former. If he did give her the nickname 'Stardust' after the project had started, was it just because he thought it sounded pretty or could he have always imagined the unlikely events of Rogue One?
*Did Galen give his daughter the nickname 'Stardust' after the project he was working on or was he responsible for naming the project and named it after his daughter? Either option is quite odd, considering the project regarded a weapon of mass destruction, but Jyn was apparently born in 22BBY and 'Stardust is mentioned in the Badbatch which is set around 19BBY - which possibly infers the former. If he did give her the nickname 'Stardust' after the project had started, was it just because he thought it sounded pretty or could he have always imagined the unlikely events of Rogue One?
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** While everyone involved is mentally preparing themselves for the fact they're going to have to fight, Cassian's plotting a premeditated murder, plus as mentioned above is misleading his teammates about their actual objectives. The overall darkness or moral nature in absolute terms doesn't matter so much as the relative difference. The whole team is prepping for what's basically business as usual, while one of them is working through completely different rationalizations for what they're about to do, hence Chirrut picks up on something seeming abormal about whatever's on Cassian's mind.
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*** Because the war ''isn't'' over in this case; it's hardly begun. Galen is assumed by most to be completely loyal to the Empire, and any information he mght give after his capture would be dubious at best. It's the equivalent of the Allies going after Nazi scientists during the war; they're not expecting to make an ally, but kill an enemy.
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** [[VideoGame/StarWarsJediFallenOrder Fallen Order] reveals that the Empire also controls Illum, and in fact had been strip mining it for Kyber. So Jedha isn’t the only place in the galaxy the Empire could find the stuff, and in fact Illum would have enough Kyber left over after the Empire built two Death Stars for the First Order to turn the entire planet into Starkiller Base.
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*** In case anyone stumbles across this and is curious, a comic did come out explaining how Vaneé came to serve Darth Vader: he was once an Imperial inspector who came to Castle Vader after reports that some of the Magmatroopers guarding the place were losing their minds. It was from a combination of the toxic gasses and Sith influence, and Vaneé was kept by Vader until eventually he lost his mind and Vader made him his servant.
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** Probably a dead thread but I’ll say it anyway: One of the more prominent members that was panicking, saying it was hopeless was the Tarisian Senator. [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Taris was previously bombarded by a Sith fleet]], which turned it into a radioactive wasteland for centuries if not millennia after the fact. This is still considered canon thanks to references by supplementary sources like visual dictionaries. Depending on how much if KOTOR remains canon, it demonstrates that it 1) takes time to gather the ships to Base Delta Zero a planet and 2) it’s completely possible for the intended targets to find a way to escape in that period of time.
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** The line you are thinking of is from ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', not ''Film/ANewHope''. Mon Mothma does not appear in ''A New Hope'', and no Bothans are mentioned there. The source of the original Death Star Plans was left unspecified. The Bothans found information regarding the second Death Star.
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** The line you are thinking of is from ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', not ''Film/ANewHope''. Mon Mothma does not appear in ''A New Hope'', and no Bothans are mentioned there. The source of the original Death Star Plans was left unspecified.
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* With ''Rogue One'' being the new official story of how the Death Star plans got to almost the exact opening moment of ''A New Hope'', how does Mon Mothma's statement that "many Bothans died" to get the information out fit into anything?
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* With ''Rogue One'' being the new official story of how the Death Star plans got to almost the exact opening moment of ''A New Hope'', how does Mon Mothma's statement that "many Bothans died" to get the information out fit into anything?
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** Not to mention, the hit was to one of Scarif's oceans. Water has a lot of mass and a lot of capacity to absorb energy, so it would attenuate the shockwave more than simple rock would, especially if the oceans are deep.
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** My guess is the "bad idea" was sending Jyn to Jeddah with ''just'' Cassian and K2. Not much of an escort for someone you don't trust, especially since Cassian wasn't comfortable letting K2 chaperone her inside the city.
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** He was an Imperial Weapon Designer, who defected with his family and ran off to start a farm on a distant world and was in contact with some branches of the Rebel Alliance in essence a Defector from the Empire, note the "They Found Us." Message. In the Rebel's POV Galen should have given himself a fatal case of lead poisoning once they came for him and his family and his family was...as far as anybody knew...dead so no hostage situation to force his compliance. Instead he appeared to go back and willingly work for the Empire to design the Death Star, so now he's a former Rebel now collaborating with the Empire.
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** He was an Imperial Weapon Designer, Designer (well, he'd been lied to and led to belive his research was being used for renewable energy, and defected as soon as he realised it was being used to make weapons, but it's not clear that the rebels knew that), who defected with his family and ran off to start a farm on a distant world and was in contact with some branches of the Rebel Alliance in essence a Defector from the Empire, note the "They Found Us." Message. In the Rebel's POV Galen should have given himself a fatal case of lead poisoning once they came for him and his family and his family was...as far as anybody knew...dead so no hostage situation to force his compliance. Instead he appeared to go back and willingly work for the Empire to design the Death Star, so now he's a former Rebel now collaborating with the Empire.
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*** The Ersos were not particularly loyal Imperials at all. Galen was never willingly a weapons designer: he'd refused to make weapons for the Republic during the Clone Wars as he was an ActualPacifist, and the only reason he ever ended up working on the Death Star at all is that, in the very early days of the Empire (the entire period seen in the flashbacks was only about a year, at a time when most galactic citizens still believed the Empire was just an emergency measure to defend the Republic), Krennic ''lied'' to him, telling him his research would be used to provide renewable power to planets that had suffered in the Clone Wars, while secretly weaponising it. Galen made the mistake of wanting to see the best in his former friend (remember, Krennic and everyone else on that team were working for the ''Republic'' only a year or so before) despite some major red flags, but he never seems to have had any strong belief in Imperial ideology. Lyra, meanwhile, never really liked or trusted Krennic or the Empire that much at all. Then as soon as they discovered Galen's research was being weaponised they both became fugitives.
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* K2 states that taking Jyn to Jeddha is a "bad idea" and comments that Cassian agrees. But the only reason Jyn is even there is because the Rebellion needed her to help them establish contact with Saw - on Jeddha.
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* K2 states that taking Jyn to Jeddha is a "bad idea" and comments that Cassian agrees. But the only reason Jyn is even there is because the Rebellion needed her to help them establish contact with Saw - on Jeddha.
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** And this was shortly after Darth Vader - who also suspected that something was up - commanded Krennic to ensure that Galen hadn't compromised the station in any way.
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** Indeed, it's entirely possible that there was ''more than one'' exhaust port that could've hypothetically been used to blow the Death Star to bits. Reactors that gargantuan probably need more than just one dinky little vent to send their exhaust through, after all. The rebels specifically selected ''that'' exhaust port because it lay at the end of the channel running around the Death Star's equator, hence would allow small fighters to approach dead-on while remaining under cover from most of the station's surface artillery.
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** Indeed, it's entirely possible that there was ''more than one'' exhaust port that could've hypothetically been used to blow the Death Star to bits. Reactors that gargantuan probably need more than just one dinky little vent to send their exhaust through, after all. The rebels specifically selected ''that'' exhaust port because it lay at the end of the channel running around the Death Star's equator, hence would allow small fighters to approach dead-on while remaining under cover from most of the station's surface artillery.artillery, ''and'' was only ray-shielded allowing the used of photon torpedos as opposed to a larger better protected vent that would aldo require the disabling of shield generators.
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* Krennic takes a blaster shot to the left shoulder early on. But it's obvious that actor Ben Mendelsohn is left-handed; he uses his left arm far more than his right during the rest of the film. Why not put that shot into his ''right'' shoulder and show him lifting a drink with his ''right'' hand during the flashback? Then the actor favoring his left hand (entirely natural for him) would serve as a subtle clue that the wound left Krennic permanently impaired. But as it is, it's a meaningless injury. We've seen armored stormtroopers go down for less.
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** I got the feeling that seeing Jyn made him realize how far he had fallen from what he used to be and wanting to [[DyingAsYourself die as he used to be]]. At the very least, it seems clear that the ''audience'' is supposed to see him as having become [[NotSoDifferent very similar to Darth Vader]] after [[ThoseWhoFightMonsters many years of fighting the Empire.]]
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** Unlikely. The cross section of the battlestation (e.g. in the merchandise books which show cross sections for all craft in the films etc) shows that the superlaser originates from an apparatus which leads right down into the core, and those components in the apparatus do not seem to be able to rotate or reconfigure.
** Unlikely. The cross section of the battlestation (e.g. in the merchandise books which show cross sections for all craft in the films etc) shows that the superlaser originates from an apparatus which leads right down into the core, and those components in the apparatus do not seem to be able to rotate or reconfigure.
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** Two points: 1. Those ground troops were, except for one squad, were volunteers from a military organization, which, in every recorded case (actual existence of Amazons is questionable) in history has had a high male/female sex ratio (the whole of the US military is 17/1, for example). Odds are that a random selection of soldiers would be made up of mostly if not exclusively men, and this is even more true for ground combat units, even in countries whose chances of actually putting troops in a major battle is practically zero, like Canada. 2. From what I saw, most of the female combat personnel in Rebels were pilots, not infantry. Actually, I can't remember seeing any female infantry of the type shown in Rogue One in Rebels off the top of my head, so I'm not seeing a real difference here. And the only non-Jedi female fighters I remember were Mandalorians (notably not part of the Rebel forces in Rogue One), maybe some security guards, and some resistance troops on Onderan. Not exactly surprising when most of the combatants are either clones or droids.
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* When the camera pans through the initial Rogue One attack force, we see that all of them except Jyn are men. And later on, when other Rebels join the battle, two female pilots appear onscreen, but besides them 99% of the Rebellion troops still appear to be male. It makes little sense for a underground movement like the Rebel Alliance to disqualify anyone based on their gender, because they need all the help they can get, so what's up with this gender discrepancy? Arguably this was the case with the original trilogy too, but that was more because those movies reflected the gender stereotypes of their own era. However, both ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' have shown there were plenty of female fighters working for both the Republic 20 years ago, as well as the Rebellion just a few years earlier, and it's never implied there was any overt sexism in either of them. So it doesn't make sense the Rebellion would've become such a sausage fest in such a short time.
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