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** This is the only time in the entire trilogy we see a shield generator with this much power. It covers the entire Death Star with a field that ships can't even ''fly'' through (in contrast to the Hoth shield, which resists bombardment but can't stop the empire from sending in ground troops). Presumably it's just really freaking hard to build a shield generator that can do that, and building ''two'' of them was out of the question.
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** Nobody said you'd remain ''alive'' for a thousand years; they just said the digestion would take that long. Presumably you've got "pain and suffering" for a day or two before you die, and after that you simply have the indignity of being slowly digested (instead than getting a proper burial.)
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** Nobody said you'd remain ''alive'' for a thousand years; they just said the digestion would take that long. Presumably you've got "pain and suffering" for a day or two before you die, and after that you simply have the indignity of being slowly digested (instead than of getting a proper burial.)
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** Nobody said you'd remain ''alive'' for a thousand years; they just said the digestion would take that long. Presumably you've got "pain and suffering" for a day or two before you die, and after that you simply have the indignity of being slowly digested (instead than getting a proper burial.)
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** Was the armor really all that damaged? I remember it staying intact; the bonfire was more of a symbolic thing than an attempt to actually destroy the armor. And if it was damaged, well..whoever said it was just a bonfire? Maybe they treated the armor with some sort of corrosive lighter fluid first.
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** He's a robot. He doesn't have free will. He ''can't'' go against his programming. They just had him say it in the same tone as, "That would be rude!" because they thought it would be funnier that way, and because he probably does find it rude. Han lashes out like he does because because he's frustrated.
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** He's a robot. He doesn't have free will. He ''can't'' go against his programming. They just had him say it in the same tone as, "That would be rude!" because they thought it would be funnier that way, and because he probably does find it rude. Han lashes out like he does because because he's frustrated.frustrated.
*** Obviously he ''can'' go against his programming, since he willingly impersonates a diety later in the film. ("Threepio, tell them that if they do not do as you wish, you'll be come angry and use your magic.")
*** Obviously he ''can'' go against his programming, since he willingly impersonates a diety later in the film. ("Threepio, tell them that if they do not do as you wish, you'll be come angry and use your magic.")
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** What are you talking about? That line is in the script, but it's not in the actual movie.
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** He flailed around because he was ''panicking''. Luke had just gotten a massive power boost from his newfound anger, and Vader wasn't ready for it. Perhaps his conscience was getting to him too. He saw that Luke was actually starting to give in to the Dark Side, and he felt horrible watching his son start down the same path of horror that he himself had been trapped in for 20 years. So Vader started losing his will to fight. Luke noticed this change after he cut Vader's hand off; Vader wasn't just defeated and helpless, he was in a state where he didn't even ''want'' to fight anymore. Vader's conscience was finally revealed. This inspires Luke to back off from the Dark Side.
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** Maybe the shuttle ''did'' go where it was supposed to. Maybe it claimed to have a mechanical problem, landed, let the Rebel fighters off, and then took off again (with some unimportant Rebel as pilot). Then it landed at its usual place, dropped off some cargo, and left the system on schedule.
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** I think we have to assume that the Rebel fleet was something of a GlassCannon, able to deal a lot of damage in the short term but utterly unable to keep it up over the long term. The only thing that saved them was the destruction of the Death Star. Of course you may ask how, exactly, the loss of the Death Star led to the loss of every other Star Destroyer. The Legends cannon explained that Palpatine was using a force technique called "battle meditation" which reached into the minds of all his soldiers and improved their focus. When Palpatine died, it created a kind of psychic feedback that left everybody scrambling and vulnerable, which in turn led many Star Destroyers to flee the area. There's also been talk/speculation that the Emperor ''really'' didn't provide a backup plan for his own death, because (a) he believed that he would live forever via the force (if not killed), (b) he assumed that any sort of "If I die then Person X is in charge" system would simply motivate Person X to murder him, and (c) he was extremely selfish and couldn't bear the idea of anyone else getting to rule over the Empire that he personally created. Thus, the thinking goes, he deliberately set up the Empire to be a house of cards that would instantly collapse into a civil war if he ever died. He organized the Empire with lots of high-ranking officials who didn't technically outrank each other and had all their disputes resolved by the Emperor personally, knowing full well that without Palpatine to call the shots everything would quickly devolve into infighting and competing claims for power. In the short run, this motivated everyone to keep Palpatine alive, since nobody could know for sure how they might fare in a war of succession. But once Palpatine actually died, the chain of command immediately broke down, none of the high-ranking Imperials felt that they could trust each other, and everyone decided to just leave Endor to the Rebels rather than continue the fight and risk getting stabbed in the back by their fellow Imperials.
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Of course you may ask how, exactly, the loss of the Death Star led to the loss of every other Star Destroyer. The Legends cannon explained that Palpatine was using a force technique called "battle meditation" which reached into the minds of all his soldiers and improved their focus. When Palpatine died, it created a kind of psychic feedback that left everybody scrambling and vulnerable, which in turn led many Star Destroyers to flee the area. \\
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There's also been talk/speculation that the Emperor ''really'' didn't provide a backup plan for his own death, because (a) he believed that he would live forever via the force (if not killed), (b) he assumed that any sort of "If I die then Person X is in charge" system would simply motivate Person X to murder him, and (c) he was extremely selfish and couldn't bear the idea of anyone else getting to rule over the Empire that he personally created. Thus, the thinking goes, he deliberately set up the Empire to be a house of cards that would instantly collapse into a civil war if he ever died. He organized the Empire with lots of high-ranking officials who didn't technically outrank each other and had all their disputes resolved by the Emperor personally, knowing full well that without Palpatine to call the shots everything would quickly devolve into infighting and competing claims for power. In the short run, this motivated everyone to keep Palpatine alive, since nobody could know for sure how they might fare in a war of succession. But once Palpatine actually died, the chain of command immediately broke down, none of the high-ranking Imperials felt that they could trust each other, and everyone decided to just leave Endor to the Rebels rather than continue the fight and risk getting stabbed in the back by their fellow Imperials.
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Of course you may ask how, exactly, the loss of the Death Star led to the loss of every other Star Destroyer. The Legends cannon explained that Palpatine was using a force technique called "battle meditation" which reached into the minds of all his soldiers and improved their focus. When Palpatine died, it created a kind of psychic feedback that left everybody scrambling and vulnerable, which in turn led many Star Destroyers to flee the area. \\
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There's also been talk/speculation that the Emperor ''really'' didn't provide a backup plan for his own death, because (a) he believed that he would live forever via the force (if not killed), (b) he assumed that any sort of "If I die then Person X is in charge" system would simply motivate Person X to murder him, and (c) he was extremely selfish and couldn't bear the idea of anyone else getting to rule over the Empire that he personally created. Thus, the thinking goes, he deliberately set up the Empire to be a house of cards that would instantly collapse into a civil war if he ever died. He organized the Empire with lots of high-ranking officials who didn't technically outrank each other and had all their disputes resolved by the Emperor personally, knowing full well that without Palpatine to call the shots everything would quickly devolve into infighting and competing claims for power. In the short run, this motivated everyone to keep Palpatine alive, since nobody could know for sure how they might fare in a war of succession. But once Palpatine actually died, the chain of command immediately broke down, none of the high-ranking Imperials felt that they could trust each other, and everyone decided to just leave Endor to the Rebels rather than continue the fight and risk getting stabbed in the back by their fellow Imperials.
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** I think we have to assume that the Rebel fleet was something of a GlassCannon, able to deal a lot of damage in the short term but utterly unable to keep it up over the long term. The only thing that saved them was the destruction of the Death Star. Of course you may ask how, exactly, the loss of the Death Star led to the loss of every other Star Destroyer. The Legends cannon explained that Palpatine was using a force technique called "battle meditation" which reached into the minds of all his soldiers and improved their focus. When Palpatine died, it created a kind of psychic feedback that left everybody scrambling and vulnerable, which in turn led many Star Destroyers to flee the area. There's also been talk/speculation that the Emperor ''really'' didn't provide a backup plan for his own death, because (a) he believed that he would live forever via the force (if not killed), (b) he assumed that any sort of "If I die then Person X is in charge" system would simply motivate Person X to murder him, and (c) he was extremely selfish and couldn't bear the idea of anyone else getting to rule over the Empire that he personally created. Thus, the thinking goes, he deliberately set up the Empire to be a house of cards that would instantly collapse into a civil war if he ever died. He organized the Empire with lots of high-ranking officials who didn't technically outrank each other and had all their disputes resolved by the Emperor personally, knowing full well that without Palpatine to call the shots everything would quickly devolve into infighting and competing claims for power. In the short run, this motivated everyone to keep Palpatine alive, since nobody could know for sure how they might fare in a war of succession. But once Palpatine actually died, the chain of command immediately broke down, none of the high-ranking Imperials felt that they could trust each other, and everyone decided to just leave Endor to the Rebels rather than continue the fight and risk getting stabbed in the back by their fellow Imperials.
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** I like to think that he only showed up for a short while to thank Luke for redeeming him, and then he went to some sort of Force Pergatory to do pennance for his sins. Who knows? Maybe he can personally apologize to his victims somehow. Although force users are the only people who can come back as ghosts, it may be that everyone still goes to some sort of invisible afterlife even if they're not a force user.
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** I like to think that he only showed up for a short while to thank Luke for redeeming him, and then he went to some sort of Force Pergatory Purgatory to do pennance for his sins. Who knows? Maybe he can personally apologize to his victims somehow. Although force users are the only people who can come back as ghosts, it may be that everyone still goes to some sort of invisible afterlife even if they're not a force user.user.
*** No indication of the former in canon; if anything, his appearing alongside Obi-Wan and Yoda and subsequent ghostly appearance suggest otherwise. The latter is theoretically possible, though.
*** No indication of the former in canon; if anything, his appearing alongside Obi-Wan and Yoda and subsequent ghostly appearance suggest otherwise. The latter is theoretically possible, though.
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** In the new EU, Vader actually gets rebellious after ESB. He challenges Palpatine and gets utterly defeated, which leaves him in the mopey/subservient state that we see in ROTJ.
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*** Dude, they blew up a goddamn ''planet''. They killed ''billions'' of innocent civilians just to make a ''point''. Tarkin makes it perfectly clear that the Empire is not popular: "Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battlestation." I haven't even mentioned all the innocent Jedi who were killed in Order 66, nor the ''democracy'' that was ''overthrown'' by a self-appointed ''dictator''. That dictator, by the way, personally arranged the preceeding civil war (the Clone Wars), playing both sides (he controlled the Republic while his apprentice Dooku controlled the Separatists) and getting people to kill each other in large numbers, ''all'' for the sake of consolidating his own power. Oh, and don't forget that imperial troops slaughtered Jawas and blamed it on the Sandpeople, and they also killed Owen and Beru. Incidentally, Luke talks about how much he hates the Empire even ''before'' the destruction of Alderaan or those other things I just mentioned, and we can only imagine what other horrible things they've been doing to inspire that hatred. I can't comment on the EU because I haven't read it, but in the movies at least the Empire is clearly evil.
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** I like to think that he only showed up for a short while to thank Luke for redeeming him, and then he went to some sort of Force Pergatory to do pennance for his sins. Who knows? Maybe he can personally apologize to his victims somehow. Although force users are the only people who can come back as ghosts, it may be that everyone still goes to some sort of invisible afterlife even if they're not a force user.
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** Whoever said it's being pulled by gravity? For all we know it's being pulled by ''magnetism''. Maybe the generator uses powerful magnetic fields for whatever reason, and those fields go haywire once the thing gets damaged.
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** Palpatine has Vader to defend him. And if he senses that Vader is going to hesitate, he can just hit Luke with Force Lightning before he actually does anything. Palpatine is technically unarmed, but he's not remotely defenseless. (Ok yeah, the prequels established that a lightsaber just absorbs Force Lightning, but that wasn't cannon yet.)
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** In the first case, Vader was landing on the Death Star itself, so the crew there handled his request. In the latter case, the ship noticed them first and requested confirmation on their mission. As for Piett, it's possible that he was near the coms when the shuttle arrived and he thought the unexpected arrival was odd.
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*** The Probe Droid in the Empire Strikes Back had an interstellar transmitter so they clearly come small enough for the strike team to have one.
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** They only say the Death Star is relatively unprotected not that there were no ships there at all. The Executor being there doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a trap.
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* At the beginning of the film, Vader's shuttle is approaching the Death Star and it appears that shield security is handled by a station on board the Death Star itself. Later however, as Tydirium is flying in, shield security seems to be handled by Admiral Piett on board the Executor. Presumably the Executor is not permanently stationed at Endor, and doesn't an admiral have better things to do? Why the change?
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* At the beginning of the film, Vader's shuttle is approaching the Death Star and it appears that shield security is handled by a station on board the Death Star itself. Later however, as Tydirium is flying in, shield security seems to be handled by Admiral Piett on board the Executor. Presumably the Executor is not permanently stationed at Endor, and doesn't an admiral have better things to do? Why the change?
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** Vader's first priority was not to kill Palpatine but to save his son. If Vader had placed his hand on Palpatine's neck to break it, or called the saber to his hand with the Force as other tropers have suggested, it would have given Palpatine a moment to stop torturing Luke for his own sadistic pleasure and kill him right there. So, Vader immediately stopped the threat to Luke by turning Palpatine away and redirecting the Force lightning into himself, forcing Palpatine to concentrate all his efforts on taking Vader down instead.
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** You can see two ugnaughts remove his cuffs in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFCjTjEUTns the carbon freezing scene in ''Empire'']] starting at about 2:18. They probably did this to give him a better chance at surviving the process by shielding his face, which would account for his iconic hands-up pose as well.
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** Remember the second Death Star is still under construction, it’ll have its own shields once it’s finished. As for why they aren’t already operational, the Emperor has to make it look like an attack on the Death Star could succeed to draw the Alliance into his trap. Maybe the Death Star can’t generate its own shield with so much of the hull not yet in place.
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** Maybe he isn't actually sitting, but floating on a sitting position? Maybe he has some sort of reflex to sit since he was alive even if he doesn't need it?
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** As for that last sentance, always take any claims Lucas has about things being planned out in advance with a grain of salt. Even with details confined solely to the timeframe of the original triology, you have things like Darth Vader's role in the Imperial heriarchy, the Emperor's characterization, the big reveal of Darth Vader being Luke's father, and Leia being Luke's sister; all of which make contradict details in preceding movies.
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** That does leave the question of why they'd release him mid-freeze, making it more plausible that he picked the cuffs. Then again, if it was intentional then giving Han a chance to try (and fail) to escape would be very useful for testing whether a struggling patient will still be safely preserved in carbonite, which would've been very useful for Vader to know later when he tried to freeze Luke during their fight.
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*** No one is saying Vader is an automatic good-guy in the eyes of the galaxy. TheForceAwakens and TheLastJedi pretty much makes it clear that Vader is still seen as the evil POS he was. The whole point for his repenting was that he finally realized what it meant to love like a Jedi. He understood that compassionate love was different from possessive love, and it was ''possessive love'' that got him into this mess to begin with. His killing Palpatine was his way of saying 'I'm sorry' to both Luke and Padme. Correct, the galaxy isn't about to organize a hero parade for Vader down Main Street, Naboo any time soon but that's not what he was thinking of. His penance wasn't to the galaxy, but to his wife and children. In short, his mistake was that rather than listening to Padme and thinking on what ''she'' wanted, he only looked inward, thought only of himself. This time, he would correct that by saving Luke, putting Luke's needs first over his own. That's the entire point.
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*** No one is saying Vader is an automatic good-guy in the eyes of the galaxy. TheForceAwakens Film/TheForceAwakens and TheLastJedi Film/TheLastJedi pretty much makes it clear that Vader is still seen as the evil POS he was. The whole point for his repenting was that he finally realized what it meant to love like a Jedi. He understood that compassionate love was different from possessive love, and it was ''possessive love'' that got him into this mess to begin with. His killing Palpatine was his way of saying 'I'm sorry' to both Luke and Padme. Correct, the galaxy isn't about to organize a hero parade for Vader down Main Street, Naboo any time soon but that's not what he was thinking of. His penance wasn't to the galaxy, but to his wife and children. In short, his mistake was that rather than listening to Padme and thinking on what ''she'' wanted, he only looked inward, thought only of himself. This time, he would correct that by saving Luke, putting Luke's needs first over his own. That's the entire point.
