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18th Sep '17 4:33:28 AM CrypticMirror
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* Minor question, how come Luke didn't try to use the Force to help him calm the Rancor?

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\n** Palpatine doesn't think of it as a battle, he thinks of it as a slaughter, he finds it inconceivable that his trap could result in anything other than a total and crushing victory for his forces. He's arrogant and loves melodramatic statements. He wants to show Luke his friends are dead, his cause is lost, and that Luke could do nothing but watch. He wants Luke to feel the pain as it happens. Palpatine is not a logical and rational man, he's a guy who revels in being a bad guy and enjoys the powertrip it gives him.

* Minor question, how come Luke didn't try to use the Force to help him calm the Rancor?Rancor?
** Two possible reasons, the first being that maybe he did but it was so hungry or murderous that it just wasn't possible. The second, more likely reason, is that Luke is still inexperienced in the ways of the Force and just didn't think of it during the fight. Luke, like his father before him, is much more of man of action and his first instinct is to fight.
17th Sep '17 11:08:20 PM firejewel
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* Why doesn't the Emperor wait to try to "convert" Luke until after the battle for Endor is over? Why does it have to be done immediately? It seems like an unnecessary distraction. If you have the battle for the fate of galaxy raging right outside your station, wouldn't it be better to focus on winning that and then go back to trying to convert Luke after it's done? Having the Emperor and Vader focus their efforts on winning the battle instead of converting Luke could have made a big difference. When you are trying to win a battle, you want your best leaders on the job, not dealing with some family side-project involving one man. Furthermore, it would be much easier to convert Luke after winning the battle. Think of how much easier it would be to convert him if his team has lost, his friends are all killer or captured, and there is no more hope for victory. A mentally devastated man deep in despair over defeat is much easier to manipulate then a man who still has hope his team can win.

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* Why doesn't the Emperor wait to try to "convert" Luke until after the battle for Endor is over? Why does it have to be done immediately? It seems like an unnecessary distraction. If you have the battle for the fate of galaxy raging right outside your station, wouldn't it be better to focus on winning that and then go back to trying to convert Luke after it's done? Having the Emperor and Vader focus their efforts on winning the battle instead of converting Luke could have made a big difference. When you are trying to win a battle, you want your best leaders on the job, not dealing with some family side-project involving one man. Furthermore, it would be much easier to convert Luke after winning the battle. Think of how much easier it would be to convert him if his team has lost, his friends are all killer or captured, and there is no more hope for victory. A mentally devastated man deep in despair over defeat is much easier to manipulate then a man who still has hope his team can win.win.

* Minor question, how come Luke didn't try to use the Force to help him calm the Rancor?
22nd Aug '17 4:32:09 PM Ohio9
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22nd Aug '17 4:30:48 PM Ohio9
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** From what I gather, the distinction is that there's a measurable difference between "righteous anger and killing an obvious evil" versus "killing out of pure rage and bloodlust and you just want to see that person die."

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** From what I gather, the distinction is that there's a measurable difference between "righteous anger and killing an obvious evil" versus "killing out of pure rage and bloodlust and you just want to see that person die.""
* Why doesn't the Emperor wait to try to "convert" Luke until after the battle for Endor is over? Why does it have to be done immediately? It seems like an unnecessary distraction. If you have the battle for the fate of galaxy raging right outside your station, wouldn't it be better to focus on winning that and then go back to trying to convert Luke after it's done? Having the Emperor and Vader focus their efforts on winning the battle instead of converting Luke could have made a big difference. When you are trying to win a battle, you want your best leaders on the job, not dealing with some family side-project involving one man. Furthermore, it would be much easier to convert Luke after winning the battle. Think of how much easier it would be to convert him if his team has lost, his friends are all killer or captured, and there is no more hope for victory. A mentally devastated man deep in despair over defeat is much easier to manipulate then a man who still has hope his team can win.
26th Jul '17 4:27:58 AM Nakuyabi
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*** Note also how Luke cries out when somebody shoots his robotic hand during the battle on Jabba's barge. Actually, both reactions are less than what one would typically expect from having one's actual limb amputated or injured that way: compare them to Luke's scream of agony when Vader slashed off his hand back in ''The Empire Strikes Back'', and it's no contest. Apparently, robotic prosthetic limbs simulate enough pain that you'll notice and acknowledge it, but not much more than that.

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*** Note also how Luke cries out when somebody shoots his robotic hand during the battle on Jabba's barge. Actually, both reactions are less than what one would typically expect from having one's actual limb amputated or injured that way: compare them to Luke's scream of agony when Vader slashed off his real hand back in ''The Empire Strikes Back'', and it's no contest. Apparently, robotic prosthetic limbs simulate enough pain that you'll notice and acknowledge it, but not much more than that.


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** A further point: droids are capable of feeling pain too, as demonstrated with the droids being tortured down in one of the dungeons in Jabba's palace in the scene where R2-D2 and C3PO are getting their assignments. In ''Tales From Jabba's Palace'', Jabba's head droid EV-D99 (the one giving out those assignments in that dungeon) was revealed to be a sadomasochistic sociopath and serial killer studying the subtleties and inner workings of these pain sensors in depth by torturing her fellow droids. Presumably, Luke and Vader's prosthetic hands were fitted out with something like these sensors for all the same reasons biological hands have pain nerves, i.e. to keep people from inadvertently injuring those hands and to serve as an instant alert system if they ''do'' happen to injure them.
26th Jul '17 4:09:22 AM Nakuyabi
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*** Note also how Luke cries out when somebody shoots his robotic hand during the battle on Jabba's barge. Actually, both reactions are less than what one would typically expect from having one's actual limb amputated or injured that way: compare them to Luke's scream of agony when Vader slashed off his hand back in ''The Empire Strikes Back'', and it's no contest. Apparently, robotic prosthetic limbs simulate enough pain that you'll notice and acknowledge it, but not much more than that.




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** In ''The Truce At Bakura'' (set immediately after the events of ''Return of the Jedi'' and now consigned to ''Legends'' continuity), it's indicated that his ''whole body'' was in rather tough shape after that; his hand was pretty much the least of his worries. Also worth noting: his hand had already taken a shot from a blaster during the battle on Jabba's barge, and he'd covered up the wound with a glove rather than taking any time off to get it repaired. Apparently, it's a tough little prosthetic, and unlike Vader's suit, it doesn't have a lot of delicate circuits to overload.
26th Jul '17 3:49:22 AM Nakuyabi
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*** Take a look at the scene again: Luke really ''did'' make his best effort at getting Vader to the shuttle, getting him practically up to the boarding ramp before Vader made his dying request to have his mask removed. Whether the shuttle had any medical equipment that could have helped and whether Luke could have figured out how to use it in time, he clearly gave it his best shot. That he was able to get his father's remains on board after that and get out well ahead of the Death Star's last big flaming explosion is something of a testament to Luke's sheer determination. It stands to reason, therefore, that Anakin's assessment of the situation was right: death was imminent, and nothing Luke could do ''even once they were on the shuttle'' was going to prevent that. His determination was enough for Luke to overcome his own extensive injuries (prolonged full-body electrocution is no mere flesh wound) to carry his father all the way to the shuttle, but not enough to save his father's life, and that's really just all there was to it.
23rd Jul '17 5:48:13 AM PlatosAssistant
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*** The OP hear. This isn't the place to debate the darkside and how it can be used sparingly, so I'll accept that answer. I've also seen analysis videos that suggest Luke could've killed the Emperpr without falling, which is why Vader stopped him. But what scene in Revenge of the Sith shows the Jedi code saying that? Capture was an at least somewhat viable option for Windu, and it's generally agreed that Windu made the right choice, and the old Jedi order fell because they had stagnated and become too sure of their code and unready to face new evil.

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*** The OP hear. This isn't the place to debate the darkside and how it can be used sparingly, so I'll accept that answer. I've also seen analysis videos that suggest Luke could've killed the Emperpr without falling, which is why Vader stopped him. But what scene in Revenge of the Sith shows the Jedi code saying that? Capture was an at least somewhat viable option for Windu, and it's generally agreed that Windu made the right choice, and the old Jedi order fell because they had stagnated and become too sure of their code and unready to face new evil.evil.
** From what I gather, the distinction is that there's a measurable difference between "righteous anger and killing an obvious evil" versus "killing out of pure rage and bloodlust and you just want to see that person die."
22nd Jul '17 2:23:21 PM cdrood
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*** The real point is, all they had to do was retreat inside the bunker and keep it locked for 24 hours and maintain radio silence. The battle and the rebel strike team were really irrelevant to the overall plan. There wasn't any go/no-go signal to the rebel fleet and it was assumed the "surprise" raid would be enough to guarantee the shield would be down. They were coming no matter what. Capturing Han's team wasn't necessary. They just needed to be kept out of the bunker long enough. If the commander hadn't opened the door to pursue the rebels, the Rebellion would have been crushed.
22nd Jul '17 2:08:28 PM cdrood
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*** Exactly, the whole thing was a trap. They wanted to get the rebels well into the base so there was no chance they'd escape. Whether or not the few guards near the entrance knew about it is debatable, but it's safe to say the Empire would willingly sacrifice a couple to spring the trap.
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