History Headscratchers / ReturnOfTheJedi

26th Jul '17 4:27:58 AM Nakuyabi
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*** Note also how Luke cries out when somebody shoots his robotic hand during the battle on Jabba's barge. Actually, both reactions are less than what one would typically expect from having one's actual limb amputated or injured that way: compare them to Luke's scream of agony when Vader slashed off his hand back in ''The Empire Strikes Back'', and it's no contest. Apparently, robotic prosthetic limbs simulate enough pain that you'll notice and acknowledge it, but not much more than that.

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*** Note also how Luke cries out when somebody shoots his robotic hand during the battle on Jabba's barge. Actually, both reactions are less than what one would typically expect from having one's actual limb amputated or injured that way: compare them to Luke's scream of agony when Vader slashed off his real hand back in ''The Empire Strikes Back'', and it's no contest. Apparently, robotic prosthetic limbs simulate enough pain that you'll notice and acknowledge it, but not much more than that.


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** A further point: droids are capable of feeling pain too, as demonstrated with the droids being tortured down in one of the dungeons in Jabba's palace in the scene where R2-D2 and C3PO are getting their assignments. In ''Tales From Jabba's Palace'', Jabba's head droid EV-D99 (the one giving out those assignments in that dungeon) was revealed to be a sadomasochistic sociopath and serial killer studying the subtleties and inner workings of these pain sensors in depth by torturing her fellow droids. Presumably, Luke and Vader's prosthetic hands were fitted out with something like these sensors for all the same reasons biological hands have pain nerves, i.e. to keep people from inadvertently injuring those hands and to serve as an instant alert system if they ''do'' happen to injure them.
26th Jul '17 4:09:22 AM Nakuyabi
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*** Note also how Luke cries out when somebody shoots his robotic hand during the battle on Jabba's barge. Actually, both reactions are less than what one would typically expect from having one's actual limb amputated or injured that way: compare them to Luke's scream of agony when Vader slashed off his hand back in ''The Empire Strikes Back'', and it's no contest. Apparently, robotic prosthetic limbs simulate enough pain that you'll notice and acknowledge it, but not much more than that.




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** In ''The Truce At Bakura'' (set immediately after the events of ''Return of the Jedi'' and now consigned to ''Legends'' continuity), it's indicated that his ''whole body'' was in rather tough shape after that; his hand was pretty much the least of his worries. Also worth noting: his hand had already taken a shot from a blaster during the battle on Jabba's barge, and he'd covered up the wound with a glove rather than taking any time off to get it repaired. Apparently, it's a tough little prosthetic, and unlike Vader's suit, it doesn't have a lot of delicate circuits to overload.
26th Jul '17 3:49:22 AM Nakuyabi
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*** Take a look at the scene again: Luke really ''did'' make his best effort at getting Vader to the shuttle, getting him practically up to the boarding ramp before Vader made his dying request to have his mask removed. Whether the shuttle had any medical equipment that could have helped and whether Luke could have figured out how to use it in time, he clearly gave it his best shot. That he was able to get his father's remains on board after that and get out well ahead of the Death Star's last big flaming explosion is something of a testament to Luke's sheer determination. It stands to reason, therefore, that Anakin's assessment of the situation was right: death was imminent, and nothing Luke could do ''even once they were on the shuttle'' was going to prevent that. His determination was enough for Luke to overcome his own extensive injuries (prolonged full-body electrocution is no mere flesh wound) to carry his father all the way to the shuttle, but not enough to save his father's life, and that's really just all there was to it.
23rd Jul '17 5:48:13 AM PlatosAssistant
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*** The OP hear. This isn't the place to debate the darkside and how it can be used sparingly, so I'll accept that answer. I've also seen analysis videos that suggest Luke could've killed the Emperpr without falling, which is why Vader stopped him. But what scene in Revenge of the Sith shows the Jedi code saying that? Capture was an at least somewhat viable option for Windu, and it's generally agreed that Windu made the right choice, and the old Jedi order fell because they had stagnated and become too sure of their code and unready to face new evil.

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*** The OP hear. This isn't the place to debate the darkside and how it can be used sparingly, so I'll accept that answer. I've also seen analysis videos that suggest Luke could've killed the Emperpr without falling, which is why Vader stopped him. But what scene in Revenge of the Sith shows the Jedi code saying that? Capture was an at least somewhat viable option for Windu, and it's generally agreed that Windu made the right choice, and the old Jedi order fell because they had stagnated and become too sure of their code and unready to face new evil.evil.
** From what I gather, the distinction is that there's a measurable difference between "righteous anger and killing an obvious evil" versus "killing out of pure rage and bloodlust and you just want to see that person die."
22nd Jul '17 2:23:21 PM cdrood
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*** The real point is, all they had to do was retreat inside the bunker and keep it locked for 24 hours and maintain radio silence. The battle and the rebel strike team were really irrelevant to the overall plan. There wasn't any go/no-go signal to the rebel fleet and it was assumed the "surprise" raid would be enough to guarantee the shield would be down. They were coming no matter what. Capturing Han's team wasn't necessary. They just needed to be kept out of the bunker long enough. If the commander hadn't opened the door to pursue the rebels, the Rebellion would have been crushed.
22nd Jul '17 2:08:28 PM cdrood
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*** Exactly, the whole thing was a trap. They wanted to get the rebels well into the base so there was no chance they'd escape. Whether or not the few guards near the entrance knew about it is debatable, but it's safe to say the Empire would willingly sacrifice a couple to spring the trap.
22nd Jul '17 2:04:32 PM cdrood
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*** Actually, the PG rating at the time allowed far more than the PG-13 rating allows today and they were pushing those limits quite successfully until ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'' caused the MPAA to push back. You could even briefly show a woman's breasts and still get a PG rating as seen in ''Film/{{Beastmaster}}''.

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*** Actually, the PG rating at the time allowed far more than the PG-13 rating allows today and they were pushing those limits quite successfully until ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'' caused the MPAA to push back. You could even briefly show a woman's breasts and still get a PG rating as seen in ''Film/{{Beastmaster}}''.
''Film/TheBeastmaster''.
22nd Jul '17 2:03:24 PM cdrood
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*** Actually, the PG rating at the time allowed far more than the PG-13 rating allows today and they were pushing those limits quite successfully until ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'' caused the MPAA to push back. You could even briefly show a woman's breasts and still get a PG rating as seen in ''Film/{{Beastmaster}}''.
9th Jul '17 8:47:18 AM nombretomado
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** Possibly so, since hardly anybody has the firepower to go toe-to-toe with one, and those that do (basically just the main Rebel fleet) are more bent on fleet preservation. When you're badly outnumbered in a war, you can't afford to fight an even battle of attrition, so the Rebellion was all about Fabian strategies or raiding efforts. When they were finally forced to go head-on, the rebel ships turned out to be much more effective than expected - remember that Star Destroyers, powerful as they were, possibly hadn't ever had to face a significant threat from other capitol ships in the past 2+ decades of the Empire. There's even some RealLife parallels in the way that from the building of ''HMS Dreadnought'' up through the end of WorldWarTwo, there was actually very little fighting between opposing battleships, and on many occasions they performed poorly against lesser ships when put to the test (Denmark Strait, Cape Matapan, 1st Guadalcanal, Surigao Strait, and especially Samar).

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** Possibly so, since hardly anybody has the firepower to go toe-to-toe with one, and those that do (basically just the main Rebel fleet) are more bent on fleet preservation. When you're badly outnumbered in a war, you can't afford to fight an even battle of attrition, so the Rebellion was all about Fabian strategies or raiding efforts. When they were finally forced to go head-on, the rebel ships turned out to be much more effective than expected - remember that Star Destroyers, powerful as they were, possibly hadn't ever had to face a significant threat from other capitol ships in the past 2+ decades of the Empire. There's even some RealLife parallels in the way that from the building of ''HMS Dreadnought'' up through the end of WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, there was actually very little fighting between opposing battleships, and on many occasions they performed poorly against lesser ships when put to the test (Denmark Strait, Cape Matapan, 1st Guadalcanal, Surigao Strait, and especially Samar).
25th Jun '17 9:42:35 AM starman117
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*** Consisering that the whole plan was to "mess with him" and the rebels didn't start a crime war when they killed him (the Hutts didn't like it much but they contented themselves to a few death marks on a few specific people) he obviously can't have been that untouchable.
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