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** Oh, right. Vader ''did'' figure out Luke was onboard that shuttle, even without using this tactic. And yet the shuttle was ''still allowed to land'', instead of just being tractored into the ''Executor's'' hangar bay. Look, if you want the Death Star blown up ''that'' bad, Anakin, just get in your TIE fighter and go do it yourself.
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* The entire movie would have been a lot shorter if the Emperor had remembered that if you are deliberately leaking the access code to the enemy, you can just write down which code you gave them and make sure nobody else is using it, so that the enemy will be '''automatically identified''' when they show up. As for the logistics of doing this without risking the Rebels figuring it out? We saw in the movie that the Rebels had no idea whether or not their code was still good until they actually tried it out, so, one bunch of alphanumeric squiggles looks much like another. Also, the bridge crew of the ''Executor'' would not need to be told anything about the plot; merely leave a notation in their logbook that "If this particular ID code shows up, '''call Lord Vader at once'''. Yes, even if its the middle of the night. Trust me, however afraid you are he'll kill you if you wake him up is nowhere near as slowly and horribly you'll die if you ''don't''. Signed, The Emperor. PS: Don't lower the shield until and unless you are personally told to by either Lord Vader or me."
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* Plenty of stuff about the Special Edition has been complained about ad nauseam, but I'd like to throw in that the scene of the people on Coruscant celebrating the end of the Empire is just plain wrong. While it's understandable for Lucas to want to show everyone a HappilyEverAfter ending, the truth is that there's absolutely no way that the ''capital of the freaking Empire'' would behave that way. There would be an absolute lockdown by the Imperial troops at best, massive disruption and riots at the very worst. The time period between the Emperor's death and the takeover of power by the Rebellion would be one of chaos, not partying.
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* Plenty of stuff about the Special Edition has been complained about ad nauseam, but I'd like to throw in that the scene of the people on Coruscant celebrating the end of the Empire is just plain wrong. While it's understandable for Lucas to want to show everyone a HappilyEverAfter ending, the truth is that there's absolutely no way that the ''capital of the freaking Empire'' would [[NoOntologicalInertia behave that way.way]]. There would be an absolute lockdown by the Imperial troops at best, massive disruption and riots at the very worst. The time period between the Emperor's death and the takeover of power by the Rebellion would be one of chaos, not partying.
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** WordOfGod and other materials confirm that Vader was trying to throw ''himself'' down the shaft and grabbed Palatine in a TakingYouWithMe ploy but didn't quite have the strength to make it over than railing.
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*** In ''Heir to the Empire" Luke remarks that you'd be surprised how far that little droid can get on his own.
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****** Perhaps the Rebels believed that, for even a secret project, the Executor and its escorts would be considered sufficient protection by Imperial Command. After all, Imperial doctrine says that even a single Star Destroyer is enough to subject an entire star system. Also, at this time, there were four other Super Star Destroyers in active service.
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**** Yeah, but it would have taken them a while to find a convenient shaft on a station the size of a moon if they didn't know exactly where they were.
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** One has to wonder how R2-D2 managed to get around. He's not exactly an all-terrain vehicle.
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****** Not at all; I'm just saying it's weird that the Rebels didn't even consider that it might be a trap, given the Empire's track record of deception, and that they considered the Executor and it's accompanying squadron, plus a nigh-impenetrable energy shield, "relatively unguarded."
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***** Now you're confusing me. You'd prefer that the rebels found out about the secret project by finding out ''that the entire sector fleet'' was protecting it, making it unassailable? What's the point there?
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*** Secret projects don't usually have the ''entire sector fleet'' called in to protect them.
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*** Secret projects don't usually have the ''entire sector fleet'' called in to protect them.them.
**** But the Emperor's whole plan revolved around it not being secret for very long. I can sort of buy the Rebels being desperate to strike a fatal blow, but without a single "This is too good to be true"? Where was the "That's impossible, even for a computer" guy? Oh, wait...that was Wedge?!
**** But the Emperor's whole plan revolved around it not being secret for very long. I can sort of buy the Rebels being desperate to strike a fatal blow, but without a single "This is too good to be true"? Where was the "That's impossible, even for a computer" guy? Oh, wait...that was Wedge?!
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** That's even more confusing. Wouldn't it follow that the Emperor would bring substantial backup to protect a supposedly incomplete battle station? I mean, he did, but it never occurred to the Rebels that he'd secretly be rollin' deep?
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** That's even more confusing. Wouldn't it follow that the Emperor would bring substantial backup to protect a supposedly incomplete battle station? I mean, he did, but it never occurred to the Rebels that he'd secretly be rollin' deep?deep?
*** Secret projects don't usually have the ''entire sector fleet'' called in to protect them.
*** Secret projects don't usually have the ''entire sector fleet'' called in to protect them.
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*** Eh, the Executor's nothing special. (And it's ''Vader's'' flagship, not the Emperor's.) "There're a lot of command ships." Yes, General Solo, there are.
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*** Eh, the Executor's nothing special. (And it's ''Vader's'' flagship, not the Emperor's.) "There're a lot of command ships." Yes, General Solo, there are.are.
**That's even more confusing. Wouldn't it follow that the Emperor would bring substantial backup to protect a supposedly incomplete battle station? I mean, he did, but it never occurred to the Rebels that he'd secretly be rollin' deep?
**That's even more confusing. Wouldn't it follow that the Emperor would bring substantial backup to protect a supposedly incomplete battle station? I mean, he did, but it never occurred to the Rebels that he'd secretly be rollin' deep?
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*** Eh, even if the plans were forged it's not like the Rebels weren't going to not be able to work out the basic method of 'fly into open core, shoot core."
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** Pay attention to the briefing. One of the reasons they give for why this is the perfect time to strike is because they ''know'' the Emperor himself is going to be there. And the Executor is the Emperor's flagship. Of ''course'' it's going to be there.there.
*** Eh, the Executor's nothing special. (And it's ''Vader's'' flagship, not the Emperor's.) "There're a lot of command ships." Yes, General Solo, there are.
*** Eh, the Executor's nothing special. (And it's ''Vader's'' flagship, not the Emperor's.) "There're a lot of command ships." Yes, General Solo, there are.
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* Shouldn't the presence of the Executor have tipped the Tydirium crew off that the Empire was waiting for them? It was only the biggest, most powerful thing in the Imperial fleet that could still get away with being called a ship, and it's being there doesn't put any crimp in their plans?
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* Shouldn't the presence of the Executor have tipped the Tydirium crew off that the Empire was waiting for them? It was only the biggest, most powerful thing in the Imperial fleet that could still get away with being called a ship, and it's being there doesn't put any crimp in their plans?plans?
** Pay attention to the briefing. One of the reasons they give for why this is the perfect time to strike is because they ''know'' the Emperor himself is going to be there. And the Executor is the Emperor's flagship. Of ''course'' it's going to be there.
** Pay attention to the briefing. One of the reasons they give for why this is the perfect time to strike is because they ''know'' the Emperor himself is going to be there. And the Executor is the Emperor's flagship. Of ''course'' it's going to be there.
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* Shouldn't the presence of the Executor have tipped the Tydirium crew off that the Empire was waiting for them? It was only the biggest, most powerful thing in the Imperial fleet that could still get away with being called a ship, and it's being there doesn't put any crimp in their plans?
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* The Emperor says that the plans to the second death star were leaked intentionally, to lure the rebels in a BatmanGambit and crush them. But in the end, LLando manages to destroy it without problems. If the plans were leaked intentionally, why didn't he leaked '''forged plans''' ? What kind of an idiot would show their opponent their true weakness when they can just as well lure them into attacking the strong points ?
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* The Emperor says that the plans to the second death star were leaked intentionally, to lure the rebels in a BatmanGambit and crush them. But in the end, LLando Lando manages to destroy it without problems. If the plans were leaked intentionally, why didn't he leaked '''forged plans''' ? What kind of an idiot would show their opponent their true weakness when they can just as well lure them into attacking the strong points ?points?
** The Emperor was clearly overconfident, and thought that the Rebels would never actually ''get'' a shot at the Death Star. The plan entailed ''never letting the shield go down'' after all.
** The Emperor was clearly overconfident, and thought that the Rebels would never actually ''get'' a shot at the Death Star. The plan entailed ''never letting the shield go down'' after all.
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** His son was being fried in front of his eyes, so he had to make a decision right then and there. He didn't have time to think things through, so he chose and chose poorly.
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** His son was being fried in front of his eyes, so he had to make a decision right then and there. He didn't have time to think things through, so he chose and chose poorly.poorly.
* The Emperor says that the plans to the second death star were leaked intentionally, to lure the rebels in a BatmanGambit and crush them. But in the end, LLando manages to destroy it without problems. If the plans were leaked intentionally, why didn't he leaked '''forged plans''' ? What kind of an idiot would show their opponent their true weakness when they can just as well lure them into attacking the strong points ?
* The Emperor says that the plans to the second death star were leaked intentionally, to lure the rebels in a BatmanGambit and crush them. But in the end, LLando manages to destroy it without problems. If the plans were leaked intentionally, why didn't he leaked '''forged plans''' ? What kind of an idiot would show their opponent their true weakness when they can just as well lure them into attacking the strong points ?
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** Also, Leia was bringing in Chewie- in other words, someone Jabba had placed a major bounty on. ''Of course'' Jabba's going to want to see her, so that probably smoothed things over considerably.
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** Not enough time, maybe? Plus, the prophecy stated "Balance to the Force" which to the Jedi meant no Sith. Vader was a Sith, ergo he had to kill himself as well. It's RedemptionEqualsDeath.
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** Not enough time, maybe? Plus, the prophecy stated "Balance to the Force" which to the Jedi meant no Sith. Vader was a Sith, ergo he had to kill himself as well. It's RedemptionEqualsDeath.RedemptionEqualsDeath.
** His son was being fried in front of his eyes, so he had to make a decision right then and there. He didn't have time to think things through, so he chose and chose poorly.
** His son was being fried in front of his eyes, so he had to make a decision right then and there. He didn't have time to think things through, so he chose and chose poorly.
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*** Specifically, in the XWingSeries this is Castin Donn's [[MyGreatestFailure greatest failure]]. His Rebel cell, on receiving the signal broadcast of the events of Endor, immediately hacked public viewscreens and displayed it. It was a counter to the propaganda and coverups they knew would happen immediately. The public went ''insane'', and in one plaza the crowd pulled down a statue of the Emperor... and almost immediately stormtroopers came and fired into the crowd. Castin saved a baby whose mother had been shot before he could be trampled.
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* Why did Vader pick up Palpatine instead of breaking his neck with his one good hand? If he had enough time to pick him up then he had enough time to get a good grip around his neck and snap it. The Emperor dies and Vader gets to live.
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* Why did Vader pick up Palpatine instead of breaking his neck with his one good hand? If he had enough time to pick him up then he had enough time to get a good grip around his neck and snap it. The Emperor dies and Vader gets to live.live.
** Not enough time, maybe? Plus, the prophecy stated "Balance to the Force" which to the Jedi meant no Sith. Vader was a Sith, ergo he had to kill himself as well. It's RedemptionEqualsDeath.
** Not enough time, maybe? Plus, the prophecy stated "Balance to the Force" which to the Jedi meant no Sith. Vader was a Sith, ergo he had to kill himself as well. It's RedemptionEqualsDeath.
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* The elite rebel commando unit headed by Han is making their way across the forest moon of Endor. They're going quietly in their camouflage gear. With an ''un''camouflaged ''bright, shiny gold robot''. Smart.
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* The elite rebel commando unit headed by Han is making their way across the forest moon of Endor. They're going quietly in their camouflage gear. With an ''un''camouflaged ''bright, shiny gold robot''. Smart.Smart.
* Why did Vader pick up Palpatine instead of breaking his neck with his one good hand? If he had enough time to pick him up then he had enough time to get a good grip around his neck and snap it. The Emperor dies and Vader gets to live.
* Why did Vader pick up Palpatine instead of breaking his neck with his one good hand? If he had enough time to pick him up then he had enough time to get a good grip around his neck and snap it. The Emperor dies and Vader gets to live.
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** Bounty hunters and the like are Jabba's major clientele, so it's not surprising at all that a bounty hunter could get in. She might have been impersonating a regular at the place. Jabba doesn't wonder "how they got in there" because bounty hunters go in and out.
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* 3PO, R2, and Luke have to knock on the huge door, get past the guards and the Major Domo to talk to Jabba. But Leia (as the bounty hunter) and Chewie on a Chain come in the side door, with a freakin' THERMAL DETONATOR?! And Jabba doesn't wonder how they got in there?
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* 3PO, R2, and Luke have to knock on the huge door, get past the guards and the Major Domo to talk to Jabba. But Leia (as the bounty hunter) and Chewie on a Chain come in the side door, with a freakin' THERMAL DETONATOR?! And Jabba doesn't wonder how they got in there?there?
* The elite rebel commando unit headed by Han is making their way across the forest moon of Endor. They're going quietly in their camouflage gear. With an UNcamouflaged ''bright, shiny gold robot''. Smart.
* The elite rebel commando unit headed by Han is making their way across the forest moon of Endor. They're going quietly in their camouflage gear. With an UNcamouflaged ''bright, shiny gold robot''. Smart.
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** EU-Canonically, that's pretty much what happened. The happy partying was more rioty in other areas we didn't see, and practically the moment we stopped seeing the Coruscant Uprising, Stormtroopers and other Imperial forces moved in and brutally put down the celebrations and riots.
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** EU-Canonically, that's pretty much what happened. The happy partying was more rioty in other areas we didn't see, and practically the moment we stopped seeing the Coruscant Uprising, Stormtroopers and other Imperial forces moved in and brutally put down the celebrations and riots.riots.
* 3PO, R2, and Luke have to knock on the huge door, get past the guards and the Major Domo to talk to Jabba. But Leia (as the bounty hunter) and Chewie on a Chain come in the side door, with a freakin' THERMAL DETONATOR?! And Jabba doesn't wonder how they got in there?
* 3PO, R2, and Luke have to knock on the huge door, get past the guards and the Major Domo to talk to Jabba. But Leia (as the bounty hunter) and Chewie on a Chain come in the side door, with a freakin' THERMAL DETONATOR?! And Jabba doesn't wonder how they got in there?
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** Plus there's no way in heck news could travel *that fast* to the Galactic core from a world out in the middle of nowhere, even with the technology used in the SW universe.
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** Plus there's no way in heck news could travel *that fast* to the Galactic core from a world out in the middle of nowhere, even with the technology used in the SW universe.universe.
** EU-Canonically, that's pretty much what happened. The happy partying was more rioty in other areas we didn't see, and practically the moment we stopped seeing the Coruscant Uprising, Stormtroopers and other Imperial forces moved in and brutally put down the celebrations and riots.
** EU-Canonically, that's pretty much what happened. The happy partying was more rioty in other areas we didn't see, and practically the moment we stopped seeing the Coruscant Uprising, Stormtroopers and other Imperial forces moved in and brutally put down the celebrations and riots.
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* Plenty of stuff about the Special Edition has been complained about ad nauseam, but I'd like to throw in that the scene of the people on Coruscant celebrating the end of the Empire is just plain wrong. While it's understandable for Lucas to want to show everyone a HappilyEverAfter ending, the truth is that there's absolutely no way that the ''capital of the freaking Empire'' would behave that way. There would be an absolute lockdown by the Imperial troops at best, massive disruption and riots at the very worst. The time period between the Emperor's death and the takeover of power by the Rebellion would be one of chaos, not partying.
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* Plenty of stuff about the Special Edition has been complained about ad nauseam, but I'd like to throw in that the scene of the people on Coruscant celebrating the end of the Empire is just plain wrong. While it's understandable for Lucas to want to show everyone a HappilyEverAfter ending, the truth is that there's absolutely no way that the ''capital of the freaking Empire'' would behave that way. There would be an absolute lockdown by the Imperial troops at best, massive disruption and riots at the very worst. The time period between the Emperor's death and the takeover of power by the Rebellion would be one of chaos, not partying.partying.
** Plus there's no way in heck news could travel *that fast* to the Galactic core from a world out in the middle of nowhere, even with the technology used in the SW universe.
** Plus there's no way in heck news could travel *that fast* to the Galactic core from a world out in the middle of nowhere, even with the technology used in the SW universe.
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