History Headscratchers / RedVsBlue

5th May '18 12:23:33 PM Tharkun140
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** Easy answer - they don't. Most of the cast is either increadibly stupid, downright insane or have artificial memories. In the finale of ''Reconstruction'' Sarge is shown not to know what UNSC is. How is it possible for everyone to be so ignorant is another question, but they clearly ''are'' that ignorant.

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** Easy answer - they don't. don't know crap. Most of the cast is either increadibly incredibly stupid, downright insane or have artificial memories. In the finale of ''Reconstruction'' Sarge is shown not to know what UNSC is. How is it possible for everyone to be so ignorant is another question, but they clearly ''are'' that ignorant.
5th May '18 12:21:02 PM Tharkun140
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** Easy answer - they don't. Most of the cast is either increadibly stupid, downright insane or have artificial memories. In the finale of ''Reconstruction'' Sarge is shown not to know what UNSC is. How is it possible for everyone to be so ignorant is another question, but they clearly ''are'' that ignorant.
24th Apr '18 6:08:28 PM streakson22
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* In The Shisno Paradox, why does Simmons say that every theory on time travel states that it’s impossible? Yes, the time they thought they time-travelled was a ruse, but Project Freelancer’s temporal distortion armor enhancement allowed Wyoming to time travel, and he just witnessed a working time machine mere hours ago.
18th Apr '18 7:16:48 PM Viira
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'''Here be spoilers for ''Reconstruction'', ''Recreation'', ''Revelation'', ''Season 9'', and ''Season 10''. '''

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[[folder:General]]
* Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of unfitting to describe Omega as Alpha's rage? It just doesn't seem like anger was O'Malley's main character trait. Granted, you could argue that most of the time we saw him, he was inside Doc and thus possibly being calmed down a little by Doc's pacifist nature, but considering O'Malley was always going on about being an evil-doer and wanting to take over the universe, wouldn't it be more fitting to say that Omega was Alpha's evil side, or lust
for power?
** We're talking about the same people who thought they were 2000 years in the future because they ended up in a place without ice and who believe pumas are mythological creatures. Brilliance is not their overriding personality trait; ignoring the obvious in favor of complicated theories is.
* How can an A.I. have an A.I.? Especially in the case of Tex and Omega, but also when Omega went into Church for a brief moment.
** One word: nesting. You can have one program inside another (Windows can run Word, for instance). To answer your question in a different way, the A.I.s are based on human minds, so how is it any different than a normal human like Caboose using an A.I.? Also, it turned out Omega was part of Church anyway.
** The Freelancers were all about experimenting with AI. When they ended up with the Tex AI as a side effect of creating the Alpha, they probably figured "Hey, why not stick two AI together and see what happens?" Because Tex was the more "complete" AI, instead of just a fragment (technically, yes, she's a part of Alpha's memories, but I don't think she was created when they split up Alpha, I think she manifested before that somehow), she ended up being the one in control.
** She was created beforehand. When the Director's (presumably) flash cloned brain was... [[BuffySpeak AI-ified]], Tex was spawned alongside the Alpha.
* So this has probably been answered by a WordOfGod at some point, but how did Tex and Church ''not'' realize that they were AI's before their respective TomatoInTheMirror moments? Unless they were somehow "possessing" human host bodies (which of course opens up all sorts of other questions) they had to have been running around in robotic bodies even prior to being "killed" in season 1 of BGC. Soooo...did neither of them ever bother taking off their armor and notice that they weren't wearing a meat-suit? Did the fact that they never had to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, or otherwise do anything else remotely human not tip them off? The only real explanations seem to be that they somehow acquired real human bodies, had ridiculously over-designed robots, or were just plain morons.
** They could well have been programmed not to question such things.
* Why does nobody react whenever Epsilon either mentions or shows up with his AI memory buddys? Does Carolina know?
** I assume they already know. in Season 8, the Epsilon version of Delta spoke to Grif, Simmons and Caboose. The Roosterteeth rule of exposition is generally that if one character learns something, assume they told the others at some point off screen.
* Just what the hell is the Director's motive for everything? During season 6, it seems he wants more AI for legitimate military reasons for purpose of saving humanity from the Covenant (admirable, if morally gray). However, during season 10, it's strongly implied that the Director was actually more concerned in trying to bring Allison back to life. That makes no sense though. How does driving the Alpha insane and making a whole bunch of different AI from him affect bringing Allison back? In addition, if his goal was that he wanted Allison back he more or less had that right off the bat when Tex (or Beta) showed up.
** I don't think bringing back Alison was his one goal in all of his life. He did indeed want to protect humanity against the Covenant. In the season six finale he mentions that he never had the chance to serve as a soldier and I think, in some ways, he kind of regretted that. Especially considering he probably always compared himself to Alison, who presumably was just as good a soldier as Tex was. He also said in the finale, that his memories of Alison have become more painful as he's grown older, so he may have been able to put the thought to one side, at least for a time. Also remember in season eight, when Epsilon remarks that he couldn't get Tex out of his head, so he literally had to create a new version of her. Maybe once the Director had created Beta, he was able to put it behind him and focus on Project Freelancer. Once Tex went rogue, he couldn't stop thinking about her again and had to make a new A.I of her. Torturing the Alpha to make fragments was less about recreating Tex and more about trying to equip his Freelancers as much as possible.
* It kinda bugs me that the Blues are such a CharacterMagneticTeam while the Reds are... not. Seriously, the Reds haven't had a permanent new member since Donut. Apart from briefly having Doc as a prisoner and then Sister who was never technically part of the team anyway, it's always been the same guys. Meanwhile the Blues got Caboose, Tex, Doc briefly, Andy, the alien, Doc again, Junior, Sister and Epsilon. I know the plot usually revolves more around the Blues but still...
** Lampshaded in ''Revelations'', as Simmons asks "Hey, ever notice how the Blues have a lot more going on than us?"
** This is probably because of the team's individual members. Specifically, Church and Tex. When the serious angle comes into play, they're the best characters to center it around, because it fits them.
* If Church is based off the Director, why do they sound nothing alike?
** Probably to make him easier for the Director to work with. It'd be weird if the sentient computer you used every day sounded exactly like you.
* Why is Church, the Alpha, permanently a dick/angry all the time? His backstory is that he was tortured, so he went insane and cast away his personalities, which formed different individuals on their own. Except, one of those personalities is Omega, the Alpha's anger. If Church's anger was separated from him, why has it become his defining characteristic? He should be a generic everyman if his personality was stripped from him, not a hothead.
** In the commentary of
''Reconstruction'', Burnie acknowledged the contradiction and joked that Alpha just had ''such'' a filthy temper that even losing Omega didn't make a big difference. His other, more serious explanation is that with Omega gone, Alpha still gets angry, but now without reason. Such as hating the Freelancer program even though he (as far as he knows) has no reason to do so.
** There is also a theory floating around that the Alpha is trying to compensate for its missing parts.
** Because it's a split personality. From what I understand, when someone manifests a SplitPersonality, where a new personality is created, often representing a specific aspect of the person, they don't ''lose'' the ability to feel that way outright. Just because Omega represented Alpha's rage and was separated doesn't mean he loses that emotion completely. He just tried to dissociate himself from a large bulk of his rage in order to "protect" his psyche. Just like when he lost the memories from Epsilon doesn't mean he loses the ability to remember. At least that's the best justification I can think of.
*** That's what I was thinking. Church still has anger (Omega), logic (Delta), the ability to lie (Gamma), creativity (Sigma), the ability to remember (Epsilon), etc., but they're cut down from his original ones, turning him into a relatively ineffectual, not all that brilliant guy who's a terrible shot. Presumably, with all of his faculties intact, he'd be at least at Freelancer level.
*** Depends. At full capacity, he's a "Smart [=AI=]", essentially making him like Cortana.
* Every Freelancer is given a codename (a state) and a A.I named after a letter in the greek alphabet. There are 50 states and 24 letters in the old greek alphabet. How is this possible?
** They stopped assigning AIs after Wash, remember? Presumably, if they had continued and used up all the letters, they would have started using letters from different alphabets.
** They '''started''' with 50 Agents (49 not counting Tex / Allison). Given the Director's methods, the leaderboard was probably just a method of determining who got AI, outside of specific experiments like North and South. We also know at least a couple Freelancers have already died, though others outside the main cast do seem to exist.
** In the commentary for Reconstruction, Burnie mentioned that there were less A.I than Freelancers. Some A.I simply didn't survive the fragmentation process, others were kept in storage for experimentation and weren't given greek letters for names.
** Season 10 also shows that AIs were reserved only for the very best Freelancers.
* All Freelancers are given agent names based on states in the USA. Keeping that in mind, look at North and South; North Dakota and South Dakota. The states they are named after have the same name, but with "north" or "south" added to it. Now, look at Carolina. Isn't there also a North Carolina and South Carolina? I can understand just calling her Carolina and not North or South, so she doesn't get confused with the Dakota twins, but shouldn't there be a second Carolina? I've only seen one, and no explanation as to where the other is.
** One of the series' songs implies there's an Agent DC, so it may be there was only ever one Carolina, with Agent DC making up the difference.
** The song also mentions Puerto Rico (but immediately follows with "does that even count?").
** Carolina is named in part for having two AI implanted according to WordOfGod. DC is also a Freelancer in the song.
* Why does everyone (largely meaning Freelancers in the prequels) seem to think that Washington is not a terribly good agent? York even makes fun of him. I don't get it. He has displayed remarkable competence ("NOW can we go?" after single handedly taking down an aircraft, etc.), but more importantly-- HE WAS ON THE LEADERBOARD! Heck, Florida and CT weren't even on it. Yet Wash tells one of the BGC "I was mostly known for getting a grappling hook stuck to my crotch." This doesn't make any sense to me at all.
** You're correct, Wash is extremely competent compared to the Reds and Blues and even most soldiers aren't as good as him, but compared to the Freelancers, he sucks. I mean, look at their fighting skills; the Freelancers are on par with the Spartans if not superior to them, whereas Wash doesn't show nearly the same amount of skill. They call him a bad field agent because compared to them, he is a bad agent, at least from their perspective. It's easy to understand, the Freelancers aren't exactly the most mature people despite their profession and they make fun of Wash because it makes them feel better about themselves. Wash is always low on the leaderboard, but he's there because he just cares about getting the job done.
** Exactly. Project Freelancer took the best of the best. Wash is just the worst of the best of the best. He's still miles ahead of average soldiers, and even further beyond sim troopers.
* What the hell happened to the Demo Man insurrectionist? Did they just retcon him out of being alive or did they forget him entirely.
** Well a RoaringRampageOfRevenge is probably difficult to do with no arms.
* Why does everyone refer to the Covenant as "the aliens?" The cast of the series seems to know everything a common person in the Halo universe should know so why don't they know what name of the empire that almost destroyed humanity is called?
* Since the Mother of Invention crashed at Sidewinder, does that mean the base there is built from the ship's wreck?
** Given that you can see the wreckage of the Mother of Invention and it's visited in the third episode of the season, maybe not. Then again, the map in which the third episode is filmed might be a remake of Sidewinder. I wouldn't know, as I have yet to play Halo 5.
* What the Hell is an Oversight Subcommittee? (Like, I looked up both terms but I'm confused as to how it's supposed to fit into the UNSC (Or UEG?) hierarchy. (Also, why the head of such a group would be giving a public speech as seen at the beginning of Season 13.)
** Exactly what it's name implies. A group of people who oversee the investigation of something. In this case they're investigating Project Freelancer. As for why Hargrove was giving a public speech, he's a politician and the CEO of Charon Industries.
** I guess that explanation just doesn't add up to me; the UNSC is a purely military entity, so it's hard to imagine a career politician like Hargrove having any sort of authority in it, especially in a position of such apparent power. My point about his speech is more that, by all accounts he likes to keep out of the public eye in general, and IRL people aren't that interested in politicians who are unelected but powerful bureaucrats (Except for a president's cabinet members) which is all that Hargrove really is.
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[[folder:Blood Gulch Chronicles]]
* What happened to blue team's original Sargent?
** The Blue Team's original sergeant was Captain Flowers who died of an aspirin allergy. It... sort of makes sense in context. See the middle of Season 3.
* How is "Du-frain" difficult to pronounce? If you saw the name "Dufresne" written down and weren't sure how to say it, that'd be one thing, but just hearing someone say "My name is Dufresne" and claiming that you can't pronounce it? It's two simple syllables, Church. You're not [[TheDitz Caboose]].
** It's ''Red vs. Blue''. ''Everyone'' is an idiot, even if they're intelligent enough to recognize it.
** Actually I just think Church was being lazy and didn't care about the guys name anyway. It's Doc, nobody likes him.
* In Season 3, (almost) everyone is sent 2,000 (?) years into the future. So how the heck are the Red vs. Blue war and Project Freelancer still going on? Better yet, how did characters like York survive?
** Tex and Church wonder the same thing in season 5, and Tex says something along the lines of "There's a lot of people telling us lies." The only people who really confirm that they're that far into the future are Vic (whose job it seems is to lie to the characters) and Gary (who is ''made of deceit'').
** Also consider how, when Tex meets up with York, neither he nor Delta find anything strange about her reappearance. If they really had time-jumped 1000+ years, you'd think ''someone'' would have said "Holy crap, where have you been for the last 1000 years?"
** Wash says that Command was behind everything that has happened to the Blood Gulch teams all along, so the timeskip might have been completely fake.
* In Season 3, when Church and Grif are in jail on Sidewinder, and Wyoming walks up to them, he is using invisibility. Invisibility was not his ability, it was Tex's. How did he get invisibility, and if he had it, why did he never again use it?
** The show is set in the Halo universe, where there is more than one cloaking device. I'm guessing Tex's cloak is more effective than the regular kind. She can attack people without turning visible and stuff. Wyoming was presumably using the an ordinary cloak like the ones you get in the game and I guess he just never felt the need to use it again. Although he may have. He did sneak up on the Blues when they were at Red base.
** In Chapter 4 of
''Recreation'', ''Revelation'', ''Season 9'', when Donut mentions to the Counsellor that the reason they were at that base where they fought O'Malley was because they were sent to the future, the Counsellor is extremely confused. We then learn that Sarge's conclusion that they were several thousand years into the future was based on ''very'' shaky logic. Said 'logic' was that the place they were in had an intact base and ''Season 10''. '''
a lot of ice. After the explosion, wrecked base and no ice. Sarge takes this to mean an ice age has ended and they are now in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't heat melt ice? And, y'know, explosions blow buildings up? Sarge is a master of the {{Bavarian Fire Drill}}.
** According to Freelancer records, that is training scenario 3.
* If Church kept failing miserably to SetRightWhatOnceWasWrong, why didn't he learn from his mistakes and take precautions to avoid them? For instance:
** Don't kick dirt on Lopez's, ahem, [[RefugeInAudacity switch]]
** To stop Flowers having a heart attack, just don't give the guy the medicine.
** [[WhyDontYaJustShootHim Kill Donut when he meets him in the cave.]]
** Research definition of Friendly Fire beforehand.
** Don't talk to Sheila and Lopez about the Robot Army.
** Leave a 'Broken, Do Not Use' sign on the teleporter, rather than fix it yourself.
*** Three big things: Firstly, he only went through the events at Blood Gulch once. So... he couldn't learn from his mistakes. Secondly, it's implied in season 10 that all of that was, in fact, just a virtual simulation being run by Gamma to torture Church by making him think everything was all his fault. And lastly, rule of funny.
*** Yeah, but it said 'Many failed attempts later...'. You'd think he'd learn...
*** Those failed attempts are various different ways that we didn't see. He didn't mess the same things up, he messed up in new and creative ways. And again, likely a simulation designed for him to fail. Kinda has that going against him.
* If the Reds and Blues didn't really time travel how did Captain Flowers die? And why was Sheila talking as if a long time had passed?
** Captain Flowers probably died of a heart attack, like Church originally believed.
** As for Sheila, Vic may have tampered with her to screw with the BGC, after he realized that they thought that they were in the future.
** In Reconstruction, When Wash and the others find Sheila in Valhalla, she mentions that her onboard clock seems wrong once she left Blood Gulch. That would seem to hint that someone or something did indeed tamper with her.
** The time travel lie was apparently part of an actual training scenario, so Project Freelancer Control probably did some stuff to make it look like time had passed. Change the clocks, remodel the bases, make Sheila look older, that sort of thing.
* If Church was an AI rather than a ghost, than how was he able to talk to Sarge when he was briefly dead?
** Sarge likely wasn't brain dead, and Church was possessing him.
** We know AI can enter people's minds, as evidenced by Tex and Church entering Caboose's mind. Sarge was never fully dead, just knocked out, which is why CPR worked on him, so maybe Church was inside his mind like with Caboose. Caboose is a moron, and thusly his mind is scattered. Sarge is heavily devoted to the fight, so perhaps his mental layout just happens to look a lot like Blood Gulch, and has accurate depictions of those around him.
*** Either that, or, given that each AI seems to have a power, Church's AI power was enabling Sarge to view what was going on around him while passed out.
*** The powers actually come from equipment. It's just that some equipment requires an [=AI=] to use, because there are calculations involved that a human cannot possibly do, especially in the heat of battle.
** But what about the Sheila ghost?
*** Church ascribed her as "dead" too, so he could have filled her in. Either that or she's an AI fragment linked into him.
*** Only Church reacted to Sheila. She might not have really been there.
** ''Revelation'' reveals that the grey netherworld was actually just Sarge's mind being placed into Recovery Mode, a state where a soldier's armour is locked down and mind preserved in a virtual construct when they are severely injured. A.I.s can also enter that construct.
* When Church was sent to the past, he was still possessing the robot body Sarge built for him. How did he grow a beard?
** How was Sarge able to give his team a pep talk while singing the Red team anthem with the Red flag appearing out of nowhere? They're just throwaway gags.
** Especially since that beard didn't last more than one scene.
** Short version: RuleOfFunny.
* Waaaay back, in Season 2 - have they ever explained how Tucker managed to just get better, despite the fact everyone went after O'Malley ''because'' he had been severely injured? Did they bring it up in an audio commentary?
** No, [[UnexplainedRecovery they didn't explain it.]] Presumably they originally had a different plan for what to do with Tucker and then changed their minds at some point (In the Season Three commentary, they do mention that a ''lot'' of stuff was cut from the season simply because it was already so long). On screen, the most likely reason is that Tucker wasn't as badly injured as the characters thought. They aren't the smartest people after all.
** Maybe Tex knows rudimentary first aid, and the armor took care of the rest.
* A random headscratcher from Season 4: Why was Andy intimidated by Tex threatening to detonate him? Wasn't exploding kind of... his life goal?
* Though it explains where the yellow-armored Church during the time loop comes from... it just raises more questions! How exactly did Caboose's version of Sister end up being identical to Church's actual personality when he left, especially considering he hadn't had the same personality before? Why did the yellow Church suddenly jump into the time loop? And how exactly is that Church part of the loop at all? He didn't even exist until almost everything is over.
** I always thought that Church possessed Caboose in one of his a million attempts at keeping the bomb in his body from going off. He then stuck around and played the part of Sister, Church's twin brother... for some reason. I think that theory was mentioned somewhere in the WMG section. >_>
** Yellow Church was standing next to one of Wyoming's numerous dead bodies (possibly the last one), and the time machine was so damaged by that point that it malfunctioned. [[RuleOfFunny And just ''happened'' to send them both back to Sidewinder.]]
** It's Caboose. Nothing makes sense to him. Nothing makes sense in his mind. It must be one hell of a coincidence.
* If Gary is actually a Freelancer AI, how did he exist 1,000 years before Project Freelancer even started?
** Same way the Alpha got there. {{Time Travel}}.
*** How/why did he do this?
*** To trick Church after the plan to use Lopez's weather control device to take over the universe failed, so they could get him to eventually save Tucker so he could give birth to Junior so O'Malley could kidnap him to use him to win the war and gain power. Why did O'Malley create such a crazy GambitRoulette? Because he's evil and insane enough to think that a Weather Control Device could help him to take over the universe to begin with.
** It was all a lie. Gary is the AI of deceit.
* Why didn't Washington show up when Tex died?
** Firstly, we can't be entirely sure she ''is'' dead. Wash himself said he wasn't sure if she was alive or not. Secondly, it's possible that she doesn't have a recovery beacon on account of the fact that she can't be killed in the conventional way. Finally, it's possible that Wash wasn't on active duty at the time. He had been shot in the back by South, I imagine that he would have needed some time to recover and wasn't available to be sent in until the Meta had already left Valhalla.
** While the first part of that might be true, you have to remember that Tex being "killed" took place months before Washington got shot in the back, as Tex was killed at the end of season one and Wash getting shot in the back was somewhere in between the end of season 4 and the beginning of season 6.
** Blood Gulch is infamous for its bad radio signals and messed up communication. If Tex did send out an Recovery Beacon when she 'died', it's possible that it was either lost in nowhere (like what almost happened to Omega before he snatched Doc) or interrupted by Vic.
* Why does Gary have the time distortion and manipulation powers both as a monitor and as a tank when every other Freelancer has their established powerup with them instead of their AI?
** It's been stated that the A.I are capable of running the armour abilities. It's possible that, when he was a monitor, Wyoming left his time manipulation unit with Gary so he could use it. However when Gary is operating the tank, I'm betting that Wyoming was the one using the armour ability. After all, his helmet was taken by Tex onto the ship, where the Meta retrieved it. If it had still been in the tank, the Meta wouldn't have been able to get to it.
** It's also possible that Gamma simply transmitted the calculations and data to Wyoming to facilitate its use.
* In Season Five, Caboose suggests transferring Sheila's AI into his armour the way Omega had. Church tells him that it wouldn't work because she's not that kind of A.I. However later, Gamma, the same kind of AI as Omega, is able to take over the tank.
** It's possible that Gamma is backwards-compatible. Kind of like how you can play [=PS1=] games on a [=PS2=], but not the other way around. Gamma is sufficiently advanced enough to fit inside the tank and take it over.
** Also, they needed a massive cable to transfer Sheila to the ship, because shes hardwired into the Tank. it could just be that they lack the equipment to transfer, or that her functions are too specialized to work in a humanoid form.
* In season 4, Church tells a disguised Simmons that he likes Donut, whom he considers to be pretty harmless. Wouldn't Church think the exact opposite, knowing that Donut was the one who "killed" Tex in season 1?
** Church is yanking Simmons' chain in that scene. It's not about what Church really thinks, it's about what will make Simmons upset. And let's face it -- aside from that one lucky throw, Donut ''is'' harmless.

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[[folder:Recollection]]
* South uses Delta to power her shield, right? So how was she able to use the shield before using Delta, considering that she doesn't have an AI?
** Going by how Grif is able to use powerups without an AI, it seems that even simulation soldier suits can use powerups, [=AIs=] only help manage the calculations required to run them. And how could an AI produce energy anyway, wouldn't they just drain more?
** Indeed. Some powerups, such as South's shield and Tex's cloak are just "on/off". Others, such as Wyoming's time control, need an [=AI=] to run. One wonders why Meta couldn't use the Cloak until getting Tex, though it could have been a mild case of ObfuscatingStupidity on his part until he could get his hands on an [=AI=].
*** That's because while the cloaking device is relatively simple to run, Meta still had all his other armour enhancements as well, which were draining power from his suit. He needed an A.I to calculate the power requirements. Another possibility is that the cloak is difficult to use, but Tex was capable of using it without Omega because she was an A.I herself.
* In Recovery 1, Wash seems to be meeting Delta for the first time. But then in the first episode of Season 10, York says to Delta, "Have you been talking to Wash again?"
** Delta likely hadn't seen Washington for years since the Epsilon breakdown. It's possible Delta was simply unsure if it was Wash when he first saw him. Especially considering the change in personality Wash had since the breakdown.
* In ''Recovery One'', South claims she no longer has the ability to use her armor enhancement, the dome energy shield, because the Meta stole it. Yet in ''Reconstruction'', she used it just fine. When did she get it back?
** BlatantLies? It ''is'' South, after all.
** The lies went all the way to Command. At the end of ''Recovery One'', we find out Command predicted Washington would behave the way he did, and the whole thing was a set up. South then betrayed Command once she had Delta. It was a GambitPileup, and it's possible the Meta never attacked South (until ''Reconstruction'' anyway).



*** Maybe emps work differently than [=EMP=]s.

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*** ** Maybe emps work differently than [=EMP=]s.



*** Probably so; however the plan revolved around not destroying the stored AI but [[spoiler: tricking Maine and destroying the ones ''he'' had which worked perfectly. There's actually not any indication there are any stored AI at all; most likely it was a white lie Washington used on Church, similar to the Director and Maine.]].

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*** ** Probably so; however the plan revolved around not destroying the stored AI but [[spoiler: tricking Maine and destroying the ones ''he'' had which worked perfectly. There's actually not any indication there are any stored AI at all; most likely it was a white lie Washington used on Church, similar to the Director and Maine.]].






*** He says that, and yet they haven't done a damn thing with the reds for over ten years now...
*** The Reds are the ones most responsible for defeating the Meta

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*** ** He says that, and yet they haven't done a damn thing with the reds for over ten years now...
*** ** The Reds are the ones most responsible for defeating the Meta
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* Where are Tucker and Donut?
** You see a guy in "Light Red" armour in episode twelve while the Director is talking. Their voice actors didn't want to do it I think.
*** Well, in Reconstruction 17, Grif heard a voice calling into base respond to a {{double entendre}} with "Bow Chicka Wow Wow." This MEANS something!
*** Maybe their schedules couldn't handle it and are limited to cameos.
*** Donut's voice actor appears in the outtakes on the DVD, as Donut complaining that he didn't get to be in Reconstruction.
*** He also appears in a deleted scene where he's revealed to be an infiltration agent now. Apparently, he's very good at penetrating rear entrances.
*** Bow chicka wow wow!
*** He's also in the audio commentary very briefly.
*** Check out ''Red Vs Blue Relocated'' Part Four.

* Why doesn't anyone think that Alpha is Tex? She is also a ghost and Wash said ghosts don't exist so she has to be an AI too. And he said Tex got special treatment and Church really hasn't gotten that. I don't know I just can't really shallow the idea of Church being an AI. Not Tex either as a matter of fact. Didn't they both have bodies?
** The fact that Epsilon showed us clips of events that happened to Church after his supposed torture tells me that the A.I are still linked to him somehow, therefore Epsilon has all of Church's memories even past the split. Epsilon shared some of these memories with Washington during their time together, so that's how Wash knows that Church was the Alpha and not Tex. As for the bodies, they will probably explain that in upcoming episodes.
*** That's presuming that Epsilon doesn't simply have the ability to transfer memories. At any rate, if he's still linked to Church he's probably still linked to Wash too - hence being able to draw on Wash's memories as well.
*** All AIs are capable of giving off something based on what fragment they were. Omega, being anger, increased aggression. So Epsilon, being memory, could give off memories. The reason why Tex isn't Alpha is because then she would be too close to Command; they wanted the Alpha somewhere else. that's why they dumped him at Sidewinder. it's possible that someone at Sidewinder started getting nosy, so Command had pushed Omega to his breaking point and shipped him to Sidewinder to take out the soldiers there. The reason he didn't kill Church is because he's Alpha. Soon, Church was shipped to Blood Gulch, where no one was smart enough to know. Flowers may have known, but he stalled and died.
*** There's another explanation in a deleted scene where Wash reveals that Tex was the one who planned and carried out the attempted rescue of Alpha from command. So there's the answer. No-one thinks Tex was Alpha because she was a Freelancer at the same time that Alpha was being stored at command.
*** And everyone seems to have forgotten a key fact—when Omega was in Tex's head, there was definitely two warring personalities in there. But when Omega jumped into Church, he didn't feel different at all, because he was also an AI (and the one Omega was originally split from).
*** I reckon that Tex is based on the "someone very dear" that the Director lost.
*** Now, of course, we know that [[spoiler: Church is the Alpha because he was based on a different Leonard Church, and Tex was indeed someone very dear the original Church lost, and actually is not a full AI at all—she's a "side effect" of the creation of Alpha.]]



* This troper enjoyed the plot twist, but something still bugs her. If Church was really the AI Alpha, then when he was sent to Blood Gulch, was he in a robot body and didn't know it? Or was he in some kind of a clone body?
** I've always assumed he was in "Agent Florida."
** First one, most likely. The idea of him overwriting the personality of a Freelancer and taking total control of a human body without realizing he's an A.I. is just ridiculous. That fan theory always irritated me.
*** Then that means he could've just possessed his own corpse at any time he wanted to all throughout Seasons One and Two. Which means Church would've been better off if he had listened to Caboose for once. Interesting...
*** I always thought that the robot body was critically damaged and while it wouldn't have been as bad as possessing a corpse, he wouldn't be able to do anything. Plus it's not like they had anyone who could fix stuff at that point.
*** So the birds circling above the body was just a coincidence? :p
*** First season blip, like 'where did Church and Tex's graves go?'
*** Sarge sneaked over under cover of darkness and vandalized them?
*** My theory is that, seeing as Project Freelancer presumably wouldn't want him to know that he was an AI in a robot body, they would have installed some sort of mental block to prevent him from realising the truth about his body. It's fairly unlikely, but they could have provided a very lifelike android body for him - possibly so that he could have earlier slept with Tex's equally lifelike android body, assuming those aren't implanted memories to make him seem more realistically human (they probably are) - or a robot body that can replicate some human bodily functions, e.g. emanate smells to attract the birds, or expand to mimic weight gain - which Tucker and Caboose joke about much later.
*** I always assumed that the original bodies of Church and Tex were just regular soldiers who got put into the Freelancer program not for their abilities but just to hold the Alpha AI and whatever exactly Tex is. It’s feasible. Whereas the other AIs only alter someone’s personality, Church has displayed the ability to completely overshadow someone, like what he did to Sarge when rescuing Tex. These poor shmucks actually bit the bullet when they died in season one, but the AIs were freed. Possessing the corpses wouldn’t work because they were actually dead.
** As Burnie Burns said, if you're into ''Red vs. Blue'' for its elaborate and well maintained continuity, you're in for a bit of a surprise.
** In Revelation, it's revealed that there are a bunch of copies of Church kept in cold storage. That must have something to do with it.
** This question will be answered in the second episode of Season 9.
** The UNSC is equipped with the means for a process known as "flash-cloning". It's likely the Director made a younger, brain-dead clone of himself for Alpha to occupy.

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* This troper enjoyed the plot twist, but something still bugs her. If Church was really the AI Alpha, then when he was sent to Blood Gulch, was he in a robot body and didn't know it? Or was he in some kind of a clone body?
** I've always assumed he was in "Agent Florida."
** First one, most likely. The idea of him overwriting the personality of a Freelancer and taking total control of a human body without realizing he's an A.I. is just ridiculous. That fan theory always irritated me.
*** Then that means he could've just possessed his own corpse at any time he wanted to all throughout Seasons One and Two. Which means Church would've been better off if he had listened to Caboose for once. Interesting...
*** I always thought that the robot body was critically damaged and while it wouldn't have been as bad as possessing a corpse, he wouldn't be able to do anything. Plus it's not like they had anyone who could fix stuff at that point.
*** So the birds circling above the body was just a coincidence? :p
*** First season blip, like 'where did Church and Tex's graves go?'
*** Sarge sneaked over under cover of darkness and vandalized them?
*** My theory is that, seeing as Project Freelancer presumably wouldn't want him to know that he was an AI in a robot body, they would have installed some sort of mental block to prevent him from realising the truth about his body. It's fairly unlikely, but they could have provided a very lifelike android body for him - possibly so that he could have earlier slept with Tex's equally lifelike android body, assuming those aren't implanted memories to make him seem more realistically human (they probably are) - or a robot body that can replicate some human bodily functions, e.g. emanate smells to attract the birds, or expand to mimic weight gain - which Tucker and Caboose joke about much later.
*** I always assumed that the original bodies of Church and Tex were just regular soldiers who got put into the Freelancer program not for their abilities but just to hold the Alpha AI and whatever exactly Tex is. It’s feasible. Whereas the other AIs only alter someone’s personality, Church has displayed the ability to completely overshadow someone, like what he did to Sarge when rescuing Tex. These poor shmucks actually bit the bullet when they died in season one, but the AIs were freed. Possessing the corpses wouldn’t work because they were actually dead.
** As Burnie Burns said, if you're into ''Red vs. Blue'' for its elaborate and well maintained continuity, you're in for a bit of a surprise.
** In Revelation, it's revealed that there are a bunch of copies of Church kept in cold storage. That must have something to do with it.
** This question will be answered in the second episode of Season 9.
** The UNSC is equipped with the means for a process known as "flash-cloning". It's likely the Director made a younger, brain-dead clone of himself for Alpha to occupy.
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* In Season 3, (almost) everyone is sent 2,000 (?) years into the future. So how the heck are the Red vs. Blue war and Project Freelancer still going on? Better yet, how did characters like York survive?
** Tex and Church wonder the same thing in season 5, and Tex says something along the lines of "There's a lot of people telling us lies." The only people who really confirm that they're that far into the future are Vic (whose job it seems is to lie to the characters) and Gary (who is ''made of deceit''). It's heavily implied that the explosion in season 3 only sent them a few years into the future - long enough for Sheila to fix up the bases and go a little screwy, not long enough for the "war" to end.
** Also consider how, when Tex meets up with York, neither he nor Delta find anything strange about her reappearance. If they really had time-jumped 1000+ years, you'd think ''someone'' would have said "Holy crap, where have you been for the last 1000 years?"
** Wash says that Command was behind everything that has happened to the Blood Gulch teams all along, so the timeskip might have been completely fake.
** In Chapter 4 of ''Recreation'', when Donut mentions to the Counsellor that the reason they were at that base where they fought O'Malley was because they were sent to the future, the Counsellor is extremely confused. We then learn that Sarge's conclusion that they were several thousand years into the future was based on ''very'' shaky logic.
** Said 'logic' was that the place they were in had an intact base and a lot of ice. After the explosion, wrecked base and no ice. Sarge takes this to mean an ice age has ended and they are now in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't heat melt ice? And, y'know, explosions blow buildings up? Sarge is a master of the {{Bavarian Fire Drill}}.
** According to Freelancer records, that is training scenario 3.

* This boggles my mind, but if Church kept failing miserably to SetRightWhatOnceWasWrong, why didn't he learn from his mistakes and take precautions to avoid them? For instance:
** Don't kick dirt on Lopez's, ahem, [[RefugeInAudacity switch]]
** To stop Flowers having a heart attack, just don't give the guy the medicine.
** [[WhyDontYaJustShootHim Kill Donut when he meets him in the cave.]]
** Research definition of Friendly Fire beforehand.
** Don't talk to Sheila and Lopez about the Robot Army.
** Leave a 'Broken, Do Not Use' sign on the teleporter, rather than fix it yourself.
*** Three big things: Firstly, he only went through the events at Blood Gulch once. So... he couldn't learn from his mistakes. Secondly, it's implied in season 10 that all of that was, in fact, just a virtual simulation being run by Gamma to torture Church by making him think everything was all his fault. And lastly, rule of funny.
*** Yeah, but it said 'Many failed attempts later...'. You'd think he'd learn...
*** Those failed attempts are various different ways that we didn't see. He didn't mess the same things up, he messed up in new and creative ways. And again, likely a simulation designed for him to fail. Kinda has that going against him.

* If Church was an AI rather than a ghost, than how was he able to talk to Sarge when he was briefly dead?
** Sarge likely wasn't brain dead, and Church was possessing him.
** We know AI can enter people's minds, as evidenced by Tex and Church entering Caboose's mind. Sarge was never fully dead, just knocked out, which is why CPR worked on him, so maybe Church was inside his mind like with Caboose. Caboose is a moron, and thusly his mind is scattered. Sarge is heavily devoted to the fight, so perhaps his mental layout just happens to look a lot like Blood Gulch, and has accurate depictions of those around him.
*** Either that, or, given that each AI seems to have a power, Church's AI power was enabling Sarge to view what was going on around him while passed out.
*** The powers actually come from equipment. It's just that some equipment requires an [=AI=] to use, because there are calculations involved that a human cannot possibly do, especially in the heat of battle.
** But what about the Sheila ghost?
*** Church ascribed her as "dead" too, so he could have filled her in. Either that or she's an AI fragment linked into him.
*** Only Church reacted to Sheila. She might not have really been there.
** ''Revelation'' reveals that the grey netherworld was actually just Sarge's mind being placed into Recovery Mode, a state where a soldier's armour is locked down and mind preserved in a virtual construct when they are severely injured. A.I.s can also enter that construct.

* When Church was sent to the past, he was still possessing the robot body Sarge built for him. How did he grow a beard?
** How was Sarge able to give his team a pep talk while singing the Red team anthem with the Red flag appearing out of nowhere? They're just [[ThrowawayGag throwaway gags]].
*** Especially since that beard didn't last more than one scene.
*** Short version: RuleOfFunny.

* Waaaay back, in Season 2 - have they ever explained how Tucker managed to just get better, despite the fact everyone went after O'Malley ''because'' he had been severely injured? Did they bring it up in an audio commentary?
** No, [[UnexplainedRecovery they didn't explain it.]] Presumably they originally had a different plan for what to do with Tucker and then changed their minds at some point (In the Season Three commentary, they do mention that a ''lot'' of stuff was cut from the season simply because it was already so long). On screen, the most likely reason is that Tucker wasn't as badly injured as the characters thought. They aren't the smartest people after all.
** Maybe Tex knows rudimentary first aid, and the armor took care of the rest.

* If Church was just an AI, then how did he have a relationship with Tex? The other memories could be implanted, but Tex is right there to confirm they had a relationship. And it did sound like they had sex, so he would have to take off his armor...wouldn't he?
** They could either be remembering the memories of Dr. Church and the girl Tex was based on, or they were given false memories as part of the doctor's experiments.
** Well, as we now know... [[spoiler: Tex isn't real, either. She's also just an AI. So nothing ever really happened, it's just residual memories. Or possibly implanted memories so that they wouldn't realize they're AI (although Tex may have known beforehand).]]

* A random headscratcher from Season 4: Why was Andy intimidated by Tex threatening to detonate him? Wasn't exploding kind of... his life goal?

* Is Washington TheScrappy? Am I the only one who dreads seeing him because I know the funny is going to stop?
** Matter of opinion I guess. Personally I see Wash's potential for humour in the concept of him being a more or less "normal" person thrown into the ''Red vs. Blue'' world and watching how he reacts to it all. In addition, ''Reconstruction'' was going for a slightly more serious tone anyway. Also Burnie Burns said he wanted a new serious character to give Church a break from being the exposition guy.
*** Washington is awesome. He's TheComicallySerious.
*** Hell, the way things are going, he might be Season Eight's BigBad.
*** I would be all for that. I like Wash, but I think this was a instance of "break the stoic" more than anything. Wash has been pushed awful far to this point.
*** Yeah, Reconstruction could well have been the last straw for him. He risks his life over and over to bring the Director to justice and gets arrested for his efforts. Caboose does absolutely nothing and gets a shiny new base. Who wouldn't be pissed?
*** This troper likes Agent Washington, but the last episode of "Recreation" seriously ticked her off. ''Damnit'', Wash, why'd ya have to go and shoot the Red Team, huh?!
** I had this reaction at first, but I think he gets better over time. I got this with Tex too. I suspect it's probably because, seeing that we like our incompetent, lazy grunts from Red and Blue teams, any overly pro-active, tough, serious or macho characters need to be unfunny in order to show the absurdity of the main characters and their situations. As Church puts it in Reconstruction:
-->'''Washington''': How do you ever get anything done if all you do is argue with each other?
-->'''Church''': We don't! That's part of our charm. Quit fucking it up!


* Though it explains where the yellow-armored Church during the time loop comes from... it just raises more questions! How exactly did Caboose's version of Sister end up being identical to Church's actual personality when he left, especially considering he hadn't had the same personality before? Why did the yellow Church suddenly jump into the time loop? And how exactly is that Church part of the loop at all? He didn't even exist until almost everything is over.
** I always thought that Church possessed Caboose in one of his a million attempts at keeping the bomb in his body from going off. He then stuck around and played the part of Sister, Church's twin brother... for some reason. I think that theory was mentioned somewhere in the WMG section. >_>
** Yellow Church was standing next to one of Wyoming's numerous dead bodies (possibly the last one), and the time machine was so damaged by that point that it malfunctioned. [[RuleOfFunny And just ''happened'' to send them both back to Sidewinder.]]
** It's Caboose. Nothing makes sense to him. Nothing makes sense in his mind. It must be one hell of a coincidence.

* In ''Recovery One'', South claims she no longer has the ability to use her armor enhancement, the dome energy shield, because the Meta stole it. Yet in ''Reconstruction'', she used it just fine. When did she get it back?
** BlatantLies? It ''is'' South, after all.
** The lies went all the way to Command. At the end of ''Recovery One'', we find out Command predicted Washington would behave the way he did, and the whole thing was a set up. South then betrayed Command once she had Delta. It was a GambitPileup, and it's possible the Meta never attacked South (until ''Reconstruction'' anyway).

* You know something? This is all Simmons' fault. If he hadn't sent Donut to The Store, none of this would've happened.
** Ah, but that's the chain of responsibility, isn't it? Is it Simmons' fault for sending Donut, or is it Donut's fault for not asking where the store was in the first place? Or Sarge's fault for leaving Simmons in charge? Or Caboose's fault for mistaking Donut for a General? Or Church's fault for putting Caboose in charge of the flag? Or... y'know what? I'm gonna go lie down...
** There's one part that hasn't been considered: the Church that went back in time pointed Donut in the direction of the Blue Base. Who knows, if he hadn't done that, Donut ''could'' have just "wandered around the cliffs for a few hours."
** I´m nominating Master Chief. If not for him, the Blood Gulch Crew would be in space and fighting some aliens.
*** In other words; dead.
*** ''Exactly.''
** Let's see... it's the Flood's fault. If they hadn't attacked the Forerunners they would have built all the weapons the Covenant used to almost win the war which led to Project Freelancer being formed to find a way to win which led to them putting the soldiers in the box canyon in the first place.
** As fun as it is to think that a small incident caused the entire events of the series, alas, it isn't true. After viewing ''Revelations'', it's clear that Command just used the flag capture as an excuse for [[spoiler: initiating one of their Freelancer training scenarios.]]
* So I noticed on Halo Waypoint that they've been airing ''Red vs Blue'' episodes in fullscreen now. It looks like Season One has been re-shot using the PC version of ''Halo''. I've also seen a couple of fullscreen clips from later seasons too. How long have these episodes been around for now? I bought the ''Blood Gulch Chronicles'' DVD boxset in 2008 and they still had those letterbox episodes. Are the fullscreen version going to be released on DVD anytime soon?
** Yes, you can pre-order them on best buy [[http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Red+Vs+Blue:+Blood+Gulch+Chronicles:+Comp+Series+-+DVD/9934346.p?id=2103498&skuId=9934346&st=red%20vs%20blue&lp=1&cp=1 here]] it comes out June 29, 2010

* Here's a few for ''Revelations'': What was the point of bringing Doc in if Donut was dead? And why did they have to have Donut killed anyway? (And don't say no one likes him, I still think his death was ''incredibly'' cheap.) Also, did they change Epsilon-Church's voice? I noted that it doesn't sound like Church's voice, and maybe it wouldn't bug me so much if the other characters would just comment on it... I know the new season is just beginning, and they might resolve things in their own way, but having to wait for it is just ''annoying...''
** In the matter of Doc being called in, it'll be answered in the next episode. [[spoiler:Washington ordered Simmons to get a medic to come look at the Meta, who has been having trouble using his equipment since he lost his AI.]] Killing off Donut, I don't know, I liked him. Some people have been saying Dan Godwin didn't want to do it anymore, or maybe they wanted someone KilledOffForReal to emphasize this season being DarkerAndEdgier. Hell, maybe this is all designed to mislead us and they do still plan to bring him back somehow. The aliens brought Captain Flowers back after all. As for Epsilon's voice, it sounds the same to me. It's still Burnie Burns voicing him. They use a different filter because he's inside a monitor instead of a suit of armour.
** Whoever is voicing Donut can't/doesn't want to do it anymore, and I guess the writers decided KilledOffForReal is better than permanently PutOnABus.
** The sponsor version of Episode 13 has [[spoiler:Donut waking up after Church orders orders all of Red Team's suits out of Recovery Mode. Presumably he'll be back when they can do something with the character other than gay jokes.]]
** As for Epsilon-Church's voice being different, he isn't getting the "mic" filter put over Burnie's voice because he isn't in a Spartan body. Instead, they've put a sort of synth over it, to mimic the Monitor's voices.

* I just realized something. Why is Church, the Alpha, permanently a dick/angry all the time? His backstory is that he was tortured, so he went insane and cast away his personalities, which formed different individuals on their own. Except, one of those personalities is Omega, the Alpha's anger. If Church's anger was separated from him, why has it become his defining characteristic? He should be a generic everyman if his personality was stripped from him, not a hothead.
** In the commentary of ''Reconstruction'', Burnie acknowledged the contradiction and joked that Alpha just had ''such'' a filthy temper that even losing Omega didn't make a big difference. His other, more serious explanation is that with Omega gone, Alpha still gets angry, but now without reason. Such as hating the Freelancer program even though he (as far as he knows) has no reason to do so.
** There is also a theory floating around that the Alpha is trying to compensate for its missing parts.
*** Bow Chika Bow Wow.
** Because it's a split personality. From what I understand, when someone manifests a SplitPersonality, where a new personality is created, often representing a specific aspect of the person, they don't ''lose'' the ability to feel that way outright. Just because Omega represented Alpha's rage and was separated doesn't mean he loses that emotion completely. He just tried to dissociate himself from a large bulk of his rage in order to "protect" his psyche. Just like when he lost the memories from Epsilon doesn't mean he loses the ability to remember. At least that's the best justification I can think of.
*** That's what I was thinking. Church still has anger (Omega), logic (Delta), the ability to lie (Gamma), creativity (Sigma), the ability to remember (Epsilon), etc., but they're cut down from his original ones, turning him into a relatively ineffectual, not all that brilliant guy who's a terrible shot. Presumably, with all of his faculties intact, he'd be at least at Freelancer level.
*** Depends. At full capacity, he's a "Smart [=AI=]", essentially making him like Cortana.

* Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of unfitting to describe Omega as Alpha's rage? It just doesn't seem like anger was O'Malley's main character trait. Granted, you could argue that most of the time we saw him, he was inside Doc and thus possibly being calmed down a little by Doc's pacifist nature, but considering O'Malley was always going on about being an evil-doer and wanting to take over the universe, wouldn't it be more fitting to say that Omega was Alpha's evil side, or lust for power?
** We're talking about the same people who thought they were 2000 years in the future because they ended up in a place without ice and who believe pumas are mythological creatures. Brilliance is not their overriding personality trait; ignoring the obvious in favor of complicated theories is.

* It kinda bugs me that the Blues are such a CharacterMagneticTeam while the Reds are... not. Seriously, the Reds haven't had a permanent new member since Donut. Apart from briefly having Doc as a prisoner and then Sister who was never technically part of the team anyway, it's always been the same guys. Meanwhile the Blues got Caboose, Tex, Doc briefly, Andy, the alien, Doc again, Junior, Sister and Epsilon. I know the plot usually revolves more around the Blues but still...
** Lampshaded in ''Revelations'', as Simmons asks "Hey, ever notice how the Blues have a lot more going on than us?"
** This is probably because of the team's individual members. Specifically, Church and Tex. When the serious angle comes into play, they're the best characters to center it around, because it fits them.

* If Gary is actually a Freelancer AI, how did he exist 1,000 years before Project Freelancer even started?
** Same way the Alpha got there. {{Time Travel}}.
*** How/why did he do this?
*** To trick Church after the plan to use Lopez's weather control device to take over the universe failed, so they could get him to eventually save Tucker so he could give birth to Junior so O'Malley could kidnap him to use him to win the war and gain power. Why did O'Malley create such a crazy GambitRoulette? Because he's evil and insane enough to think that a Weather Control Device could help him to take over the universe to begin with.
** It was all a lie. Gary is the AI of deceit.

* Why didn't Washington show up when Tex died?
** Firstly, we can't be entirely sure she ''is'' dead. Wash himself said he wasn't sure if she was alive or not. Secondly, with all the theories that she's an A.I, it's possible that she doesn't have a recovery beacon on account of the fact that she can't be killed in the conventional way. Finally, it's possible that Wash wasn't on active duty at the time. He had been shot in the back by South, I imagine that he would have needed some time to recover and wasn't available to be sent in until the Meta had already left Valhalla.
** While the first part of that might be true, you have to remember that Tex being "killed" took place months before Washington got shot in the back, as Tex was killed at the end of season one and Wash getting shot in the back was somewhere in between the end of season 4 and the beginning of season 6.
** Blood Gulch is infamous for its bad radio signals and messed up communication. If Tex did send out an Recovery Beacon when she 'died', it's possible that it was either lost in nowhere (like what almost happened to Omega before he snatched Doc) or interrupted by Vic.

* What bugs me is Tex, the only character in ''Red vs. Blue'' that I can't stand at all. She is the least funny, compelling, and interesting character in the entire series. She's a stereotypical tough girl character to act as a foil for the goofy incompetence of the rest of the cast, filling a role that, to be frank, never needed to be filled. There's basically nothing original about her, but she keeps coming back even after getting killed in Episode 100.
** She has fans and plays a huge role in the story, hence why she keeps coming back.
** Your Mileage May Also Vary as to how much focus she gets. After getting blown up at the end of Blood Gulch Chronicles, she didn't have another speaking role until Revelation, 3 years later.

* I just watched the newest episode, and while I'm glad that both Church ''and'' Tex are back, something still bugs me. Who were the Church and Tex we saw in the trailer for ''Recreation''? I get that this Church we see now is Epsilon in a new body, but... what about the other two? And the other ex, for that matter?
** My guess is that the Church and Tex we saw in the trailer are the real ones. This new Tex is some kind of copy I bet. Or maybe she's the end result of some kind of splitting thing, like what happened to Alpha. For example the Tex in the trailer could be the calm, quiet side, while the new one is Tex's aggression. My bet is ultimately Alpha and original Tex are gonna show up and somehow fuse with Epsilon and the new Tex, fully restoring the two characters.
*** The fact that Tex gave Tucker the same merciless beating she gave the Reds supports the "not real Tex" theory.
*** Why? Tex beat Tucker up before.
*** Plus, you know... Tucker did throw that grenade at her. I think... what was that thing? I don't remember it exploding ~_^. Oh, and he called her "Sweet Cheeks".
*** It was Donut who threw that grenade, not Tucker.
** Okay, but now something new is bothering me: [[WordofGod Word of God]] states that [[spoiler:the Alpha AI/Church is essentially deceased. The same Church that's been around from the very beginning, the one we all know and love, is ''gone''. Not that I have anything against Epsilon, mind you, but ''still''...]]
*** [[spoiler: I'm somewhat consoled by the fact that Epsilon seems to have fully assimilated Alpha's memories (from Blood Gulch Chronicles and Reconstruction) and personality. He may acknowledge himself as separate from Alpha, but I feel as though he truly is ''Church''.]]
*** Thanks, that that helps me feel a little better...

* It doesn't bug me that much, but I kept thinking that Tucker, Grif and Simmons have bribed Tex in the past, so they should be able to again, right?
** In Chapter 13, she refers to Tucker as "that guy with the sword" rather than by name, hinting that she doesn't have any memory of him.
*** Although in later chapters she clearly remembers their past encounters.
*** "Eh, I barely remember your names most of the time anyway."

* Donut dies from one bullet. Washington ''blows up'' and survives. Consistency? What's that?

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\n* In Season 3, (almost) everyone is sent 2,000 (?) years into the future. So how the heck are the Red vs. Blue war and Project Freelancer still going on? Better yet, how did characters like York survive?
** Tex and Church wonder the same thing in season 5, and Tex says something along the lines of "There's a lot of people telling us lies." The only people who really confirm that they're that far into the future are Vic (whose job it seems is to lie to the characters) and Gary (who is ''made of deceit''). It's heavily implied that the explosion in season 3 only sent them a few years into the future - long enough for Sheila to fix up the bases and go a little screwy, not long enough for the "war" to end.
** Also consider how, when Tex meets up with York, neither he nor Delta find anything strange about her reappearance. If they really had time-jumped 1000+ years, you'd think ''someone'' would have said "Holy crap, where have you been for the last 1000 years?"
** Wash says that Command was behind everything that has happened to the Blood Gulch teams all along, so the timeskip might have been completely fake.
** In Chapter 4 of ''Recreation'', when Donut mentions to the Counsellor that the reason they were at that base where they fought O'Malley was because they were sent to the future, the Counsellor is extremely confused. We then learn that Sarge's conclusion that they were several thousand years into the future was based on ''very'' shaky logic.
** Said 'logic' was that the place they were in had an intact base and a lot of ice. After the explosion, wrecked base and no ice. Sarge takes this to mean an ice age has ended and they are now in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't heat melt ice? And, y'know, explosions blow buildings up? Sarge is a master of the {{Bavarian Fire Drill}}.
** According to Freelancer records, that is training scenario 3.

* This boggles my mind, but if Church kept failing miserably to SetRightWhatOnceWasWrong, why didn't he learn from his mistakes and take precautions to avoid them? For instance:
** Don't kick dirt on Lopez's, ahem, [[RefugeInAudacity switch]]
** To stop Flowers having a heart attack, just don't give the guy the medicine.
** [[WhyDontYaJustShootHim Kill Donut when he meets him in the cave.]]
** Research definition of Friendly Fire beforehand.
** Don't talk to Sheila and Lopez about the Robot Army.
** Leave a 'Broken, Do Not Use' sign on the teleporter, rather than fix it yourself.
*** Three big things: Firstly, he only went through the events at Blood Gulch once. So... he couldn't learn from his mistakes. Secondly, it's implied in season 10 that all of that was, in fact, just a virtual simulation being run by Gamma to torture Church by making him think everything was all his fault. And lastly, rule of funny.
*** Yeah, but it said 'Many failed attempts later...'. You'd think he'd learn...
*** Those failed attempts are various different ways that we didn't see. He didn't mess the same things up, he messed up in new and creative ways. And again, likely a simulation designed for him to fail. Kinda has that going against him.

* If Church was an AI rather than a ghost, than how was he able to talk to Sarge when he was briefly dead?
** Sarge likely wasn't brain dead, and Church was possessing him.
** We know AI can enter people's minds, as evidenced by Tex and Church entering Caboose's mind. Sarge was never fully dead, just knocked out, which is why CPR worked on him, so maybe Church was inside his mind like with Caboose. Caboose is a moron, and thusly his mind is scattered. Sarge is heavily devoted to the fight, so perhaps his mental layout just happens to look a lot like Blood Gulch, and has accurate depictions of those around him.
*** Either that, or, given that each AI seems to have a power, Church's AI power was enabling Sarge to view what was going on around him while passed out.
*** The powers actually come from equipment. It's just that some equipment requires an [=AI=] to use, because there are calculations involved that a human cannot possibly do, especially in the heat of battle.
** But what about the Sheila ghost?
*** Church ascribed her as "dead" too, so he could have filled her in. Either that or she's an AI fragment linked into him.
*** Only Church reacted to Sheila. She might not have really been there.
** ''Revelation'' reveals that the grey netherworld was actually just Sarge's mind being placed into Recovery Mode, a state where a soldier's armour is locked down and mind preserved in a virtual construct when they are severely injured. A.I.s can also enter that construct.

* When Church was sent to the past, he was still possessing the robot body Sarge built for him. How did he grow a beard?
** How was Sarge able to give his team a pep talk while singing the Red team anthem with the Red flag appearing out of nowhere? They're just [[ThrowawayGag throwaway gags]].
*** Especially since that beard didn't last more than one scene.
*** Short version: RuleOfFunny.

* Waaaay back, in Season 2 - have they ever explained how Tucker managed to just get better, despite the fact everyone went after O'Malley ''because'' he had been severely injured? Did they bring it up in an audio commentary?
** No, [[UnexplainedRecovery they didn't explain it.]] Presumably they originally had a different plan for what to do with Tucker and then changed their minds at some point (In the Season Three commentary, they do mention that a ''lot'' of stuff was cut from the season simply because it was already so long). On screen, the most likely reason is that Tucker wasn't as badly injured as the characters thought. They aren't the smartest people after all.
** Maybe Tex knows rudimentary first aid, and the armor took care of the rest.

* If Church was just an AI, then how did he have a relationship with Tex? The other memories could be implanted, but Tex is right there to confirm they had a relationship. And it did sound like they had sex, so he would have to take off his armor...wouldn't he?
** They could either be remembering the memories of Dr. Church and the girl Tex was based on, or they were given false memories as part of the doctor's experiments.
** Well, as we now know... [[spoiler: Tex isn't real, either. She's also just an AI. So nothing ever really happened, it's just residual memories. Or possibly implanted memories so that they wouldn't realize they're AI (although Tex may have known beforehand).]]

* A random headscratcher from Season 4: Why was Andy intimidated by Tex threatening to detonate him? Wasn't exploding kind of... his life goal?

* Is Washington TheScrappy? Am I the only one who dreads seeing him because I know the funny is going to stop?
** Matter of opinion I guess. Personally I see Wash's potential for humour in the concept of him being a more or less "normal" person thrown into the ''Red vs. Blue'' world and watching how he reacts to it all. In addition, ''Reconstruction'' was going for a slightly more serious tone anyway. Also Burnie Burns said he wanted a new serious character to give Church a break from being the exposition guy.
*** Washington is awesome. He's TheComicallySerious.
*** Hell, the way things are going, he might be Season Eight's BigBad.
*** I would be all for that. I like Wash, but I think this was a instance of "break the stoic" more than anything. Wash has been pushed awful far to this point.
*** Yeah, Reconstruction could well have been the last straw for him. He risks his life over and over to bring the Director to justice and gets arrested for his efforts. Caboose does absolutely nothing and gets a shiny new base. Who wouldn't be pissed?
*** This troper likes Agent Washington, but the last episode of "Recreation" seriously ticked her off. ''Damnit'', Wash, why'd ya have to go and shoot the Red Team, huh?!
** I had this reaction at first, but I think he gets better over time. I got this with Tex too. I suspect it's probably because, seeing that we like our incompetent, lazy grunts from Red and Blue teams, any overly pro-active, tough, serious or macho characters need to be unfunny in order to show the absurdity of the main characters and their situations. As Church puts it in Reconstruction:
-->'''Washington''': How do you ever get anything done if all you do is argue with each other?
-->'''Church''': We don't! That's part of our charm. Quit fucking it up!


* Though it explains where the yellow-armored Church during the time loop comes from... it just raises more questions! How exactly did Caboose's version of Sister end up being identical to Church's actual personality when he left, especially considering he hadn't had the same personality before? Why did the yellow Church suddenly jump into the time loop? And how exactly is that Church part of the loop at all? He didn't even exist until almost everything is over.
** I always thought that Church possessed Caboose in one of his a million attempts at keeping the bomb in his body from going off. He then stuck around and played the part of Sister, Church's twin brother... for some reason. I think that theory was mentioned somewhere in the WMG section. >_>
** Yellow Church was standing next to one of Wyoming's numerous dead bodies (possibly the last one), and the time machine was so damaged by that point that it malfunctioned. [[RuleOfFunny And just ''happened'' to send them both back to Sidewinder.]]
** It's Caboose. Nothing makes sense to him. Nothing makes sense in his mind. It must be one hell of a coincidence.

* In ''Recovery One'', South claims she no longer has the ability to use her armor enhancement, the dome energy shield, because the Meta stole it. Yet in ''Reconstruction'', she used it just fine. When did she get it back?
** BlatantLies? It ''is'' South, after all.
** The lies went all the way to Command. At the end of ''Recovery One'', we find out Command predicted Washington would behave the way he did, and the whole thing was a set up. South then betrayed Command once she had Delta. It was a GambitPileup, and it's possible the Meta never attacked South (until ''Reconstruction'' anyway).

* You know something? This is all Simmons' fault. If he hadn't sent Donut to The Store, none of this would've happened.
** Ah, but that's the chain of responsibility, isn't it? Is it Simmons' fault for sending Donut, or is it Donut's fault for not asking where the store was in the first place? Or Sarge's fault for leaving Simmons in charge? Or Caboose's fault for mistaking Donut for a General? Or Church's fault for putting Caboose in charge of the flag? Or... y'know what? I'm gonna go lie down...
** There's one part that hasn't been considered: the Church that went back in time pointed Donut in the direction of the Blue Base. Who knows, if he hadn't done that, Donut ''could'' have just "wandered around the cliffs for a few hours."
** I´m nominating Master Chief. If not for him, the Blood Gulch Crew would be in space and fighting some aliens.
*** In other words; dead.
*** ''Exactly.''
** Let's see... it's the Flood's fault. If they hadn't attacked the Forerunners they would have built all the weapons the Covenant used to almost win the war which led to Project Freelancer being formed to find a way to win which led to them putting the soldiers in the box canyon in the first place.
** As fun as it is to think that a small incident caused the entire events of the series, alas, it isn't true. After viewing ''Revelations'', it's clear that Command just used the flag capture as an excuse for [[spoiler: initiating one of their Freelancer training scenarios.]]
* So I noticed on Halo Waypoint that they've been airing ''Red vs Blue'' episodes in fullscreen now. It looks like Season One has been re-shot using the PC version of ''Halo''. I've also seen a couple of fullscreen clips from later seasons too. How long have these episodes been around for now? I bought the ''Blood Gulch Chronicles'' DVD boxset in 2008 and they still had those letterbox episodes. Are the fullscreen version going to be released on DVD anytime soon?
** Yes, you can pre-order them on best buy [[http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Red+Vs+Blue:+Blood+Gulch+Chronicles:+Comp+Series+-+DVD/9934346.p?id=2103498&skuId=9934346&st=red%20vs%20blue&lp=1&cp=1 here]] it comes out June 29, 2010

* Here's a few for ''Revelations'': What was the point of bringing Doc in if Donut was dead? And why did they have to have Donut killed anyway? (And don't say no one likes him, I still think his death was ''incredibly'' cheap.) Also, did they change Epsilon-Church's voice? I noted that it doesn't sound like Church's voice, and maybe it wouldn't bug me so much if the other characters would just comment on it... I know the new season is just beginning, and they might resolve things in their own way, but having to wait for it is just ''annoying...''
** In the matter of Doc being called in, it'll be answered in the next episode. [[spoiler:Washington ordered Simmons to get a medic to come look at the Meta, who has been having trouble using his equipment since he lost his AI.]] Killing off Donut, I don't know, I liked him. Some people have been saying Dan Godwin didn't want to do it anymore, or maybe they wanted someone KilledOffForReal to emphasize this season being DarkerAndEdgier. Hell, maybe this is all designed to mislead us and they do still plan to bring him back somehow. The aliens brought Captain Flowers back after all. As for Epsilon's voice, it sounds the same to me. It's still Burnie Burns voicing him. They use a different filter because he's inside a monitor instead of a suit of armour.
** Whoever is voicing Donut can't/doesn't want to do it anymore, and I guess the writers decided KilledOffForReal is better than permanently PutOnABus.
** The sponsor version of Episode 13 has [[spoiler:Donut waking up after Church orders orders all of Red Team's suits out of Recovery Mode. Presumably he'll be back when they can do something with the character other than gay jokes.]]
** As for Epsilon-Church's voice being different, he isn't getting the "mic" filter put over Burnie's voice because he isn't in a Spartan body. Instead, they've put a sort of synth over it, to mimic the Monitor's voices.

* I just realized something. Why is Church, the Alpha, permanently a dick/angry all the time? His backstory is that he was tortured, so he went insane and cast away his personalities, which formed different individuals on their own. Except, one of those personalities is Omega, the Alpha's anger. If Church's anger was separated from him, why has it become his defining characteristic? He should be a generic everyman if his personality was stripped from him, not a hothead.
** In the commentary of ''Reconstruction'', Burnie acknowledged the contradiction and joked that Alpha just had ''such'' a filthy temper that even losing Omega didn't make a big difference. His other, more serious explanation is that with Omega gone, Alpha still gets angry, but now without reason. Such as hating the Freelancer program even though he (as far as he knows) has no reason to do so.
** There is also a theory floating around that the Alpha is trying to compensate for its missing parts.
*** Bow Chika Bow Wow.
** Because it's a split personality. From what I understand, when someone manifests a SplitPersonality, where a new personality is created, often representing a specific aspect of the person, they don't ''lose'' the ability to feel that way outright. Just because Omega represented Alpha's rage and was separated doesn't mean he loses that emotion completely. He just tried to dissociate himself from a large bulk of his rage in order to "protect" his psyche. Just like when he lost the memories from Epsilon doesn't mean he loses the ability to remember. At least that's the best justification I can think of.
*** That's what I was thinking. Church still has anger (Omega), logic (Delta), the ability to lie (Gamma), creativity (Sigma), the ability to remember (Epsilon), etc., but they're cut down from his original ones, turning him into a relatively ineffectual, not all that brilliant guy who's a terrible shot. Presumably, with all of his faculties intact, he'd be at least at Freelancer level.
*** Depends. At full capacity, he's a "Smart [=AI=]", essentially making him like Cortana.

* Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of unfitting to describe Omega as Alpha's rage? It just doesn't seem like anger was O'Malley's main character trait. Granted, you could argue that most of the time we saw him, he was inside Doc and thus possibly being calmed down a little by Doc's pacifist nature, but considering O'Malley was always going on about being an evil-doer and wanting to take over the universe, wouldn't it be more fitting to say that Omega was Alpha's evil side, or lust for power?
** We're talking about the same people who thought they were 2000 years in the future because they ended up in a place without ice and who believe pumas are mythological creatures. Brilliance is not their overriding personality trait; ignoring the obvious in favor of complicated theories is.

* It kinda bugs me that the Blues are such a CharacterMagneticTeam while the Reds are... not. Seriously, the Reds haven't had a permanent new member since Donut. Apart from briefly having Doc as a prisoner and then Sister who was never technically part of the team anyway, it's always been the same guys. Meanwhile the Blues got Caboose, Tex, Doc briefly, Andy, the alien, Doc again, Junior, Sister and Epsilon. I know the plot usually revolves more around the Blues but still...
** Lampshaded in ''Revelations'', as Simmons asks "Hey, ever notice how the Blues have a lot more going on than us?"
** This is probably because of the team's individual members. Specifically, Church and Tex. When the serious angle comes into play, they're the best characters to center it around, because it fits them.

* If Gary is actually a Freelancer AI, how did he exist 1,000 years before Project Freelancer even started?
** Same way the Alpha got there. {{Time Travel}}.
*** How/why did he do this?
*** To trick Church after the plan to use Lopez's weather control device to take over the universe failed, so they could get him to eventually save Tucker so he could give birth to Junior so O'Malley could kidnap him to use him to win the war and gain power. Why did O'Malley create such a crazy GambitRoulette? Because he's evil and insane enough to think that a Weather Control Device could help him to take over the universe to begin with.
** It was all a lie. Gary is the AI of deceit.

* Why didn't Washington show up when Tex died?
** Firstly, we can't be entirely sure she ''is'' dead. Wash himself said he wasn't sure if she was alive or not. Secondly, with all the theories that she's an A.I, it's possible that she doesn't have a recovery beacon on account of the fact that she can't be killed in the conventional way. Finally, it's possible that Wash wasn't on active duty at the time. He had been shot in the back by South, I imagine that he would have needed some time to recover and wasn't available to be sent in until the Meta had already left Valhalla.
** While the first part of that might be true, you have to remember that Tex being "killed" took place months before Washington got shot in the back, as Tex was killed at the end of season one and Wash getting shot in the back was somewhere in between the end of season 4 and the beginning of season 6.
** Blood Gulch is infamous for its bad radio signals and messed up communication. If Tex did send out an Recovery Beacon when she 'died', it's possible that it was either lost in nowhere (like what almost happened to Omega before he snatched Doc) or interrupted by Vic.

* What bugs me is Tex, the only character in ''Red vs. Blue'' that I can't stand at all. She is the least funny, compelling, and interesting character in the entire series. She's a stereotypical tough girl character to act as a foil for the goofy incompetence of the rest of the cast, filling a role that, to be frank, never needed to be filled. There's basically nothing original about her, but she keeps coming back even after getting killed in Episode 100.
** She has fans and plays a huge role in the story, hence why she keeps coming back.
** Your Mileage May Also Vary as to how much focus she gets. After getting blown up at the end of Blood Gulch Chronicles, she didn't have another speaking role until Revelation, 3 years later.

* I just watched the newest episode, and while I'm glad that both Church ''and'' Tex are back, something still bugs me.
Who were the Church and Tex we saw in the trailer for ''Recreation''? I get that this Church we see now is Epsilon in a new body, but... what about the other two? And the other ex, Tex, for that matter?
** My guess is that the Church and Tex we saw in the trailer are the real ones. This new Tex is some kind of copy I bet. Or maybe she's the end result of some kind of splitting thing, like what happened to Alpha. For example
* Has WordOfGod actually confirmed whether or not
the Tex trailer for Recreation is in continuity or not? I've heard some people assume it isn't, but I haven't heard an official statement yet. There's nothing in the trailer could be the calm, quiet side, while the new one is Tex's aggression. My bet is ultimately Alpha and original Tex are gonna show up and somehow fuse with Epsilon and the new Tex, fully restoring the two characters.
*** The fact
to imply that Tex gave Tucker the same merciless beating she gave the Reds supports the "not real Tex" theory.
*** Why? Tex beat Tucker up before.
*** Plus, you know... Tucker did throw that grenade at her. I think... what was that thing? I don't remember it exploding ~_^. Oh, and he called her "Sweet Cheeks".
*** It was Donut who threw that grenade, not Tucker.
** Okay, but now something new is bothering me: [[WordofGod Word of God]] states that [[spoiler:the Alpha AI/Church is essentially deceased. The same Church that's been around from the very beginning, the one we all know and love, is ''gone''. Not that I have anything against Epsilon, mind you, but ''still''...]]
*** [[spoiler: I'm somewhat consoled by
it's fake, especially considering how Reconstruction's trailer wasn't. There's also the fact that Epsilon seems to have fully assimilated Alpha's memories (from Blood Gulch Chronicles and Reconstruction) and personality. He may acknowledge himself as separate from Alpha, but I feel as though he truly is ''Church''.]]
*** Thanks, that that helps me feel a little better...

* It doesn't bug me that much, but I kept thinking that Tucker,
certain events, like the fire at Blue Base or Grif and teasing Simmons have bribed Tex about subtracting one from five are referenced later on in the past, so they should actual season. But at the same time, there's been no word on whether or not those were the real Church and Tex we saw and whether or not they'll be able to again, right?
returning at any point.
** In Chapter 13, she refers to Tucker as "that guy {{Word of God}} (Burnie Burns, I think) has confirmed that the scene with Tex and Church in the sword" rather than by name, hinting that she doesn't have any memory of him.
*** Although in later chapters she clearly remembers their past encounters.
*** "Eh, I barely remember your names most of the time anyway."

trailer is a non-canon 'hook' to get people to watch. {{Trailers Always Lie}}.
* Donut dies from one bullet. Washington ''blows up'' and survives. Consistency? What's that?



*** The only one who confirms Donut is dead is Doc, and his lack of medical knowledge is a running gag. [[spoiler:It's been confirmed that the sponsor ending of Episode 13 is canon and Donut is in fact, alive. He was just in lockdown mode.]]

* I guess it's only a small thing, but I noticed an inconsistency in chapter ten of ''Revelation''. Near the start, Tucker appears holding his battle rifle and his deactivated sword is attached to his hip. Fair enough. But then when he confronts Tex with his sword drawn, his rifle is nowhere to be seen and he now has a pistol on his hip. Shouldn't his rifle be on his back? Why did they change his weapon set?

to:

*** ** The only one who confirms Donut is dead is Doc, and his lack of medical knowledge is a running gag. [[spoiler:It's It's been confirmed that the sponsor ending of Episode 13 is canon and Donut is in fact, alive. He was just in lockdown mode.]]

mode.
* I guess it's only a small thing, but I noticed an inconsistency in In chapter ten of ''Revelation''. Near ''Revelation'', near the start, Tucker appears holding his battle rifle and his deactivated sword is attached to his hip. Fair enough. But then when he confronts Tex with his sword drawn, his rifle is nowhere to be seen and he now has a pistol on his hip. Shouldn't his rifle be on his back? Why did they change his weapon set?




* How can an A.I. have an A.I.? Especially in the case of Tex and Omega, but also when Omega went into Church for a brief moment.
** One word: nesting. You can have one program inside another (Windows can run Word, for instance). To answer your question in a different way, the A.I.s are based on human minds, so how is it any different than a normal human like Caboose using an A.I.? Also, it turned out Omega was part of Church anyway.
** The Freelancers were all about experimenting with AI. When they ended up with the Tex AI as a side effect of creating the Alpha, they probably figured "Hey, why not stick two AI together and see what happens?" Because Tex was the more "complete" AI, instead of just a fragment (technically, yes, she's a part of Alpha's memories, but I don't think she was created when they split up Alpha, I think she manifested before that somehow), she ended up being the one in control.
** She was created beforehand. When the Director's (presumably) flash cloned brain was... [[BuffySpeak AI-ified]], Tex was spawned alongside the Alpha.

* Putting [[spoiler:Donut's apparent resurrection]] in the sponsor only version of chapter 13 bugs me. While I'm thrilled at the idea of [[spoiler:Donut not being dead]], the fact that it's a scene that not everyone will see raises questions. Does this actually count as official canon? Is it like that extended episode of Reconstruction where Doc made a brief appearance? And considering no mention of it has been made in Chapter 14, it just leaves a whole bunch of unanswered questions.
** I haven't actually seen the ending myself, but I heard that it might have been [[spoiler:CT]] and not [[spoiler:Donut]]
*** I don't know where that theory comes from, it's [[spoiler:very clearly Donut as we see him get back on his feet in Vallaha and hear him talk.]]
** It's been confirmed that the scene is canon. [[spoiler:Maybe we can expect to see Donut get a BigDamnHeroes moment at the end.]]
*** Highly unlikely. Burnie wrote that the scene will not make it on the DVD, as it is not important to the plot.
*** So to sum up... [[spoiler:Donut's alive]] but only sponsors will ever know, or [[spoiler:Donut's dead]] and sponsors get a misleading scene to make them think otherwise?
*** Yep. Its Burdingers Spartan.
*** The scene basically exists to justify any future instance of [[spoiler: bringing him back.]]

* How is "Du-frain" difficult to pronounce? If you saw the name "Dufresne" written down and weren't sure how to say it, that'd be one thing, but just hearing someone say "My name is Dufresne" and claiming that you can't pronounce it? It's two simple syllables, Church. You're not [[strike:retarded]] [[TheDitz Caboose]].
** It's ''Red vs. Blue''. ''Everyone'' is an idiot, even if they're intelligent enough to recognize it.
** Actually I just think Church was being lazy and didn't care about the guys name anyway. It's Doc, nobody likes him.

* Related to the above comment about Tex, what makes Tex such a badass anyways? I know in the latest episode she fights Wash and the Meta at the same time, but up until then she was only fighting the Red and Blue teams, none of whom are known for combat skill, tactical expertise or even basic competence.
** Creator/MontyOum makes everything badass.
** She dodged a heat-seeking rocket, lifted a shipping crate over her head, and broke through a 6 inch thick metal wall with her bare hands. If that's not badass, then nothing is.
** The sheer coordination necessary to beat them up in such a stylish way is badass. Besides, as incompetant a leader as he is, Sarge is a pretty good fighter, and Tucker has obviously [[TookALevelInBadass taken several levels in badass.]]
** Being a badass is pretty much a prerequisite for anyone in Project Freelancer, as seen in Season 9.
** Tex is noted to essentially be an idealisation of the original Alison - Epsilon-Tex, being a copy of Epsilon's memories of Tex, could be even more idealised and thus, even more badass, to an outright ludicrous degree.

* Forgive me if the answer to this is entirely obvious, because it's been a while since ''Reconstruction''. South uses Delta to power her shield, right? So how was she able to use the shield before using Delta, considering that she doesn't have an AI?
** Going by how Grif is able to use powerups without an AI, it seems that even simulation soldier suits can use powerups, [=AIs=] only help manage the calculations required to run them. And how could an AI produce energy anyway, wouldn't they just drain more?
** Indeed. Some powerups, such as South's shield and Tex's cloak are just "on/off". Others, such as Wyoming's time control, need an [=AI=] to run. One wonders why Meta [[spoiler: couldn't use the Cloak until getting Tex]], though it could have been a mild case of ObfuscatingStupidity on his part until he could get his hands on an [=AI=].
*** That's because while the cloaking device is relatively simple to run, Meta still had all his other armour enhancements as well, which were draining power from his suit. He needed an A.I to calculate the power requirements. Another possibility is that the cloak is difficult to use, but Tex was capable of using it without Omega because she was an A.I herself.

* Why does Gary have the time distortion and manipulation powers both as a monitor and as a tank when every other Freelancer has their established powerup with them instead of their AI?
** It's been stated that the A.I are capable of running the armour abilities. It's possible that, when he was a monitor, Wyoming left his time manipulation unit with Gary so he could use it. However when Gary is operating the tank, I'm betting that Wyoming was the one using the armour ability. After all, his helmet was taken by Tex onto the ship, where the Meta retrieved it. If it had still been in the tank, the Meta wouldn't have been able to get to it.
** It's also possible that Gamma simply transmitted the calculations and data to Wyoming to facilitate its use.

* The above question reminds me of something I'd been thinking about. In Season Five, Caboose suggests transferring Sheila's AI into his armour the way Omega had. Church tells him that it wouldn't work because she's not that kind of A.I. However later, Gamma, the same kind of AI as Omega, is able to take over the tank.
** It's possible that Gamma is backwards-compatible. Kind of like how you can play [=PS1=] games on a [=PS2=], but not the other way around. Gamma is sufficiently advanced enough to fit inside the tank and take it over.
** Also, they needed a massive cable to transfer Sheila to the ship, because shes hardwired into the Tank. it could just be that they lack the equipment to transfer, or that her functions are too specialized to work in a humanoid form.

* The only ones stationed at Valhalla were the Reds and Caboose. How do they explain how Tucker and a guy in Church's armor ([[spoiler:I assume they are trying to pass Wash off ''as'' Church, but that doesn't change anything]]) are suddenly there?

to:

\n* How can an A.I. have an A.I.? Especially in the case of Tex and Omega, but also when Omega went into Church for a brief moment.\n** One word: nesting. You can have one program inside another (Windows can run Word, for instance). To answer your question in a different way, the A.I.s are based on human minds, so how is it any different than a normal human like Caboose using an A.I.? Also, it turned out Omega was part of Church anyway.\n** The Freelancers were all about experimenting with AI. When they ended up with the Tex AI as a side effect of creating the Alpha, they probably figured "Hey, why not stick two AI together and see what happens?" Because Tex was the more "complete" AI, instead of just a fragment (technically, yes, she's a part of Alpha's memories, but I don't think she was created when they split up Alpha, I think she manifested before that somehow), she ended up being the one in control.\n** She was created beforehand. When the Director's (presumably) flash cloned brain was... [[BuffySpeak AI-ified]], Tex was spawned alongside the Alpha.\n\n* Putting [[spoiler:Donut's apparent resurrection]] in the sponsor only version of chapter 13 bugs me. While I'm thrilled at the idea of [[spoiler:Donut not being dead]], the fact that it's a scene that not everyone will see raises questions. Does this actually count as official canon? Is it like that extended episode of Reconstruction where Doc made a brief appearance? And considering no mention of it has been made in Chapter 14, it just leaves a whole bunch of unanswered questions.\n** I haven't actually seen the ending myself, but I heard that it might have been [[spoiler:CT]] and not [[spoiler:Donut]]\n*** I don't know where that theory comes from, it's [[spoiler:very clearly Donut as we see him get back on his feet in Vallaha and hear him talk.]]\n** It's been confirmed that the scene is canon. [[spoiler:Maybe we can expect to see Donut get a BigDamnHeroes moment at the end.]]\n*** Highly unlikely. Burnie wrote that the scene will not make it on the DVD, as it is not important to the plot.\n*** So to sum up... [[spoiler:Donut's alive]] but only sponsors will ever know, or [[spoiler:Donut's dead]] and sponsors get a misleading scene to make them think otherwise?\n*** Yep. Its Burdingers Spartan.\n*** The scene basically exists to justify any future instance of [[spoiler: bringing him back.]]\n\n* How is "Du-frain" difficult to pronounce? If you saw the name "Dufresne" written down and weren't sure how to say it, that'd be one thing, but just hearing someone say "My name is Dufresne" and claiming that you can't pronounce it? It's two simple syllables, Church. You're not [[strike:retarded]] [[TheDitz Caboose]].\n** It's ''Red vs. Blue''. ''Everyone'' is an idiot, even if they're intelligent enough to recognize it.\n** Actually I just think Church was being lazy and didn't care about the guys name anyway. It's Doc, nobody likes him.\n\n* Related to the above comment about Tex, what makes Tex such a badass anyways? I know in the latest episode she fights Wash and the Meta at the same time, but up until then she was only fighting the Red and Blue teams, none of whom are known for combat skill, tactical expertise or even basic competence.\n** Creator/MontyOum makes everything badass.\n** She dodged a heat-seeking rocket, lifted a shipping crate over her head, and broke through a 6 inch thick metal wall with her bare hands. If that's not badass, then nothing is.\n** The sheer coordination necessary to beat them up in such a stylish way is badass. Besides, as incompetant a leader as he is, Sarge is a pretty good fighter, and Tucker has obviously [[TookALevelInBadass taken several levels in badass.]]\n** Being a badass is pretty much a prerequisite for anyone in Project Freelancer, as seen in Season 9.\n** Tex is noted to essentially be an idealisation of the original Alison - Epsilon-Tex, being a copy of Epsilon's memories of Tex, could be even more idealised and thus, even more badass, to an outright ludicrous degree.\n\n* Forgive me if the answer to this is entirely obvious, because it's been a while since ''Reconstruction''. South uses Delta to power her shield, right? So how was she able to use the shield before using Delta, considering that she doesn't have an AI?\n** Going by how Grif is able to use powerups without an AI, it seems that even simulation soldier suits can use powerups, [=AIs=] only help manage the calculations required to run them. And how could an AI produce energy anyway, wouldn't they just drain more?\n** Indeed. Some powerups, such as South's shield and Tex's cloak are just "on/off". Others, such as Wyoming's time control, need an [=AI=] to run. One wonders why Meta [[spoiler: couldn't use the Cloak until getting Tex]], though it could have been a mild case of ObfuscatingStupidity on his part until he could get his hands on an [=AI=].\n*** That's because while the cloaking device is relatively simple to run, Meta still had all his other armour enhancements as well, which were draining power from his suit. He needed an A.I to calculate the power requirements. Another possibility is that the cloak is difficult to use, but Tex was capable of using it without Omega because she was an A.I herself.\n\n* Why does Gary have the time distortion and manipulation powers both as a monitor and as a tank when every other Freelancer has their established powerup with them instead of their AI?\n** It's been stated that the A.I are capable of running the armour abilities. It's possible that, when he was a monitor, Wyoming left his time manipulation unit with Gary so he could use it. However when Gary is operating the tank, I'm betting that Wyoming was the one using the armour ability. After all, his helmet was taken by Tex onto the ship, where the Meta retrieved it. If it had still been in the tank, the Meta wouldn't have been able to get to it.\n** It's also possible that Gamma simply transmitted the calculations and data to Wyoming to facilitate its use.\n\n* The above question reminds me of something I'd been thinking about. In Season Five, Caboose suggests transferring Sheila's AI into his armour the way Omega had. Church tells him that it wouldn't work because she's not that kind of A.I. However later, Gamma, the same kind of AI as Omega, is able to take over the tank.\n** It's possible that Gamma is backwards-compatible. Kind of like how you can play [=PS1=] games on a [=PS2=], but not the other way around. Gamma is sufficiently advanced enough to fit inside the tank and take it over.\n** Also, they needed a massive cable to transfer Sheila to the ship, because shes hardwired into the Tank. it could just be that they lack the equipment to transfer, or that her functions are too specialized to work in a humanoid form.\n\n* The only ones stationed at Valhalla were the Reds and Caboose. How do they explain how Tucker and a guy in Church's armor ([[spoiler:I (I assume they are trying to pass Wash off ''as'' Church, but that doesn't change anything]]) anything) are suddenly there?










* Two things about Church:
** Does no one care that the real Church, for all intents and purposes, is basically dead? Sure, Caboose's perception of reality has probably blurred the line between Alpha and Epsilon, and Sarge, up until recently, didn't care about the Blues. But shouldn't Tucker at least be sad? This goes for [[spoiler:Donut, as well.]] You can't say that they don't care about each other enough, because Church was sad when Tex "died," and Simmons was visibly distressed when Grif appeared to have died.
*** This may be more due to the specific relationships in question. Simmons and Grif are HeteroLifePartners and (in the words of Tucker) bicker like an old married couple. Having seen Caboose's mind, it's very possible he doesn't exactly understand that Church!Alpha is dead. Also, I tried counting the number of times Caboose himself killed Church but lost count. Tucker not only wasn't concerned when Church died the first time back in Season 1, but he'd seen Church come back from the dead multiple times previously. [[spoiler:Tucker was not surprised as Church being the Alpha, and therefore may have more understanding of the AI portion of Project Freelancer than is stated outright in the show.]] Church and Tex, however, have a romantic history. Thus no one cares when Church!Alpha dies because they're on the other team, don't understand, or don't care/expect him to come back. [[spoiler:Donut]] was the butt-monkey of the Red Team, and [[spoiler:Lopez was a robot and could be repaired, plus he just made back-ups of himself]]. Also, Sarge becomes very professional once he figures out Simmons's message and therefore was more concerned with the mission than fallen team members (something he doesn't seem to worry much about anyway considering his plan to get Andy the Bomb into O'Malley's compound in Season 3). Grif has already shown that he outright does not believe someone is dead until he sees the body personally [[spoiler:after Lopez tells him his sister is dead]], so it's not surprising he's not broken up about [[spoiler:Donut]]. Therefore, the only people who would be upset at the death of a teammate is Church with Tex, Simmons with Grif, and Caboose with Sheila.
** This is point is hidden because thinking about it kind of cheapened the ''Revelations'' Finale, and I don't want to inadvertently cheapen it for someone else. [[spoiler:Epsilon Church has actually only known Tex for, at most, a couple of days. He never really forged a brotherly relationship with Caboose. He's never even been to Blood Gulch. All of his emotional scenes in the finale...feel kind of meaningless.]]
*** I think when they say that Epsilon has all of Alpha's memories, they really do mean ALL of them, including the Blood Gulch memories. [[spoiler:Notice how at the end, Epsilon-Church says that Blood Gulch looks different from how he remembers it, despite Epsilon never having been there, only Alpha-Church.]] If you're wondering how Epsilon got Alpha-Church's memories, remember that in ''Reconstruction'' when Church got close to the Epsilon unit he started getting painful flashes of memory, this may have been the two of them wirelessly interfacing with each other.
*** I'm not saying that he doesn't ''have'' those memories. And I'm not saying that it's not emotional for him. I'm just saying that it feels less emotional for me, the viewer. But that's just my personal opinion.
*** I always just assumed that [[spoiler:Alpha Church made the jump to Epsilon Church just as the EMP went off. The reason it took so long for him to remember who he was was from trying to absorb Epsilon into himself.]]
*** Alternatively, the memories are intricately tied into the emotions associated with them. Note that Epsilon-Church refers to Tex as "my girlfriend" he acknowledges that he isn't Alpha, but he seems to believe that he is ''Church''.
*** Personally, I'm all for the [[spoiler: Alpha merged with Epsilon]] theory myself...
*** [[spoiler: Alpha merging with Epsilon]] seems to make the most sense to me, since he thought Tucker was Captain Flowers due to his armor color. Caboose arrived at Blood Gulch long after Captain Flowers died, and if anyone ever told Caboose that Tucker's armor was originally his, I doubt Caboose would have remembered it long enough to relay the information to [[spoiler: Epsilon]]

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\n* Two things about Church:
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Does no one care that the real Church, for all intents and purposes, is basically dead? Sure, Caboose's perception of reality has probably blurred the line between Alpha and Epsilon, and Sarge, up until recently, didn't care about the Blues. But shouldn't Tucker at least be sad? This goes for [[spoiler:Donut, Donut, as well.]] well. You can't say that they don't care about each other enough, because Church was sad when Tex "died," and Simmons was visibly distressed when Grif appeared to have died.
*** ** This may be more due to the specific relationships in question. Simmons and Grif are HeteroLifePartners and (in the words of Tucker) bicker like an old married couple. Having seen Caboose's mind, it's very possible he doesn't exactly understand that Church!Alpha is dead. Also, I tried counting the number of times Caboose himself killed Church but lost count. Tucker not only wasn't concerned when Church died the first time back in Season 1, but he'd seen Church come back from the dead multiple times previously. [[spoiler:Tucker Tucker was not surprised as Church being the Alpha, and therefore may have more understanding of the AI portion of Project Freelancer than is stated outright in the show.]] show. Church and Tex, however, have a romantic history. Thus no one cares when Church!Alpha dies because they're on the other team, don't understand, or don't care/expect him to come back. [[spoiler:Donut]] Donut was the butt-monkey of the Red Team, and [[spoiler:Lopez Lopez was a robot and could be repaired, plus he just made back-ups of himself]].himself. Also, Sarge becomes very professional once he figures out Simmons's message and therefore was more concerned with the mission than fallen team members (something he doesn't seem to worry much about anyway considering his plan to get Andy the Bomb into O'Malley's compound in Season 3). Grif has already shown that he outright does not believe someone is dead until he sees the body personally [[spoiler:after after Lopez tells him his sister is dead]], dead, so it's not surprising he's not broken up about [[spoiler:Donut]].Donut. Therefore, the only people who would be upset at the death of a teammate is Church with Tex, Simmons with Grif, and Caboose with Sheila.
** This is point is hidden because thinking about it kind of cheapened the ''Revelations'' Finale, and I don't want to inadvertently cheapen it for someone else. [[spoiler:Epsilon * Epsilon Church has actually only known Tex for, at most, a couple of days. He never really forged a brotherly relationship with Caboose. He's never even been to Blood Gulch. All of his emotional scenes in the finale...feel kind of meaningless.]]
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meaningless.
**
I think when they say that Epsilon has all of Alpha's memories, they really do mean ALL of them, including the Blood Gulch memories. [[spoiler:Notice Notice how at the end, Epsilon-Church says that Blood Gulch looks different from how he remembers it, despite Epsilon never having been there, only Alpha-Church.]] Alpha-Church. If you're wondering how Epsilon got Alpha-Church's memories, remember that in ''Reconstruction'' when Church got close to the Epsilon unit he started getting painful flashes of memory, this may have been the two of them wirelessly interfacing with each other.
*** I'm not saying that he doesn't ''have'' those memories. And I'm not saying that it's not emotional for him. I'm just saying that it feels less emotional for me, the viewer. But that's just my personal opinion.
*** I always just assumed that [[spoiler:Alpha Church made the jump to Epsilon Church just as the EMP went off. The reason it took so long for him to remember who he was was from trying to absorb Epsilon into himself.]]
*** Alternatively, the memories are intricately tied into the emotions associated with them. Note that Epsilon-Church refers to Tex as "my girlfriend" he acknowledges that he isn't Alpha, but he seems to believe that he is ''Church''.
*** Personally, I'm all for the [[spoiler: Alpha merged with Epsilon]] theory myself...
*** [[spoiler:
** Alpha merging with Epsilon]] Epsilon seems to make the most sense to me, since he thought Tucker was Captain Flowers due to his armor color. Caboose arrived at Blood Gulch long after Captain Flowers died, and if anyone ever told Caboose that Tucker's armor was originally his, I doubt Caboose would have remembered it long enough to relay the information to [[spoiler: Epsilon]]Epsilon.






** Two theories: either Sarge paid her off to hurt Grif, or she secretly actually likes Tucker, despite him being annoying. Oh, and one more: she doesn't want to risk hurting the sword, which she still wants to get her hands on.
*** Bow Chicka Bow Wow.
** Grif is the easiest target of the group, and thus she can afford a SelfImposedChallenge for beating him up.
** {{FridgeBrilliance}}: Sarge is always calling Grif 'Numb Nuts'. Also, she crushes his nuts seven times. Number seven seems to be pretty important in the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' canon.



*** AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther!




* I might end up wording this badly, so bare with me, but Epsilon Church really never seemed to know about Alpha Church. In the finale, he said that originally, everything was based on the Alpha, but in the memory unit, he is the Alpha. Wasn't the Church from Blood Gulch Chronicles the Alpha already?

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\n* I might end up wording this badly, so bare with me, but Epsilon Church really never seemed to know about Alpha Church. In the finale, he said that originally, everything was based on the Alpha, but in the memory unit, he is the Alpha. Wasn't the Church from Blood Gulch Chronicles the Alpha already?







* I have 3 questions: 1. After putting aside his hatred of the Blues, gaining respect for Grif as a soldier, and harboring a massive resentment to command over manipulating them for so many years, after he dedicated his life to them.... why does he just go back to old Sarge after the finale? He goes back to not caring for Grif's life, seems perfectly fine with going back to fight against the Blues in their base, and all progress just seems to have been wiped out. 2. Simmons personally saw Washington execute Donut. Why is he so amiable and friendly towards him, treating him like he would any other blue? 3. Church tells Caboose to remember him because Tucker "will just fuck it up." I'm sorry, what? Caboose is the one with the good memory? I know this isn't the actual Church from the BGC, but still... Caboose? Has he not realized he is a [[TheDitz ditz]]?
** I don't have anything for the first two, but it seems like Epsilon Church has a much more brotherly relationship with Caboose since he's spent more time with him, as opposed to Alpha Church who spent more time with Tucker before Caboose showed up.
** I think I have one for the first one and maybe the second. In the first case I think Sarge was just messing with Grif when he suggested they just leave him there, and he never said he planed to fight the Blues when the returned to Valhalla. As for the second, Wash just helped save their lives. That ''might'' help with the whole "[[spoiler:not]] Killing Donut thing".
** As an above poster said, Sarge was just messing around with Grif. And when the Reds were talking about the Blues in the finale, it seemed to just be them reminiscing. And Sarge still hates Command. For the third question, I think that Church was just trying to make Caboose feel better. Plus, by "fuck it up," he probably means intentionally. He knows that Caboose will do his best to remember, and his best is good enough for Church, even if he lives on in Caboose's memory as an annoying prick. He's probably more afraid that Tucker will intentionally screw around with Church's legacy just to fuck with him.
** So Sarge knew that Grif was going to call close enough to the wall to stick in the Brute shot? I doubt that. And I don't buy that the whole kill Donut thing might to so unaddressed. Alliances made because of a common enemy don't typically last after the common enemy is defeated. At the very least, the issue would be addressed, I think. I'll accept the Epsilon Church explanation though.
** (1) That Sarge gained respect for Grif seems to be the result of fans applying the friendship equivalent of ShippingGoggles in Revelation. He doesn't insult and threaten Grif ''as'' often. He relies on Grif a couple of times when he has no real alternative. As for going back to fighting the Blues, his speech did also hint at the fact that everyone liked their situation. (2) Most of the stuff with Wash is up in the air; we saw very little of their interactions after the fight. He might be a KarmaHoudini, or he might not. (3) Remembering Church wasn't important in a practical sense; the stuff about memory keeping you alive was generally meant metaphorically when people referred to it. (The AI project obviously gave it a double meaning because they were based on minds and, sometimes, memories.) It was just a FriendshipMoment done for Caboose's benefit. Epsilon knew he might be gone forever, so he gave Caboose a job that would make Caboose think that he was doing something vital for his best friend.
** Maybe Sarge didn't want to see Grif's dead body just after he finally did something.

* This is less about the character, but why is it that everybody on this site is treating Wash as some kind of KarmaHoudini? Granted, he's not exactly the pinnacle of moral standing, but he's not evil! All he did was shoot Lopez, whom he knew was a robot, and therefore could survive. He shot Dount, but Donut's still alive, and there's no way Wash did that by accident, knowing his [[BadassNormal skill level]]. And he lets Doc live ''for no practical reason seeing as he's an incompetent medic and useless as a hostage!''
** Hell, Donut took out Tex. If anything, based off of whatever information Wash might have on him, killing Donut probably was the smart thing to do.
** Not to mention that Washington's only after them because they didn't follow his order to turn Epsilon over to the Chairman which lead to Washington going to jail. Washington's pretty justifiably pissed at the Blood Gulch soldiers.
** Plus, Wash might've known that [[spoiler:that shot wouldn't have killed Donut.]]

* Is it even possible to understand ''Recollections'' ''without'' watching the miniseries'?
** Nope, and since the Recollections UsefulNotes/{{DVD}} features ''Recovery One'', that's not a problem.
*** Actually, yes. It is perfectly understandable without having seen the various miniseries, although they do add quite a bit of backstory and are definitely worth watching.
** I don't understand how this can bug anyone. Surely, as a fan of Machinima/RedVsBlue you'd '''want''' to watch more of it and not skip bits?

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\n* I have 3 questions: 1. After putting aside his hatred of the Blues, gaining respect for If Grif as a soldier, and harboring a massive resentment to command over manipulating them for so many years, after he dedicated his life to them.... why does he just go back to old Sarge after Sister are from Hawaii, then where the finale? He goes back to not caring for Grif's life, seems perfectly fine with going back to fight against the Blues in their base, and all progress just seems to hell did they go ice skating where Sister could have been wiped out. 2. stuck underwater for three hours?
** Just because they lived in Hawaii doesn't mean they never left the place, ever.
** 500 years into the future, a lot can change. For all we know, Hawaii is cold in the future.
*** They have these things called refrigerated ice skating rinks, you know…
*** But those are not put over lakes. It's just ground under a layer of ice.
*
Simmons personally saw Washington execute Donut. Why is he so amiable and friendly towards him, treating him like he would any other blue? 3. blue?
** Most of the stuff with Wash is up in the air; we saw very little of their interactions after the fight.
** Wash just helped save their lives. That ''might'' help with the whole "(not) Killing Donut thing".
*
Church tells Caboose to remember him because Tucker "will just fuck it up." I'm sorry, what? Caboose is the one with the good memory? I know this isn't the actual Church from the BGC, but still... Caboose? Has he not realized he is a [[TheDitz ditz]]?
** I don't have anything for the first two, but it It seems like Epsilon Church has a much more brotherly relationship with Caboose since he's spent more time with him, as opposed to Alpha Church who spent more time with Tucker before Caboose showed up.
** I think I have one for the first one and maybe the second. In the first case I think Sarge was just messing with Grif when he suggested they just leave him there, and he never said he planed to fight the Blues when the returned to Valhalla. As for the second, Wash just helped save their lives. That ''might'' help with the whole "[[spoiler:not]] Killing Donut thing".
** As an above poster said, Sarge was just messing around with Grif. And when the Reds were talking about the Blues in the finale, it seemed to just be them reminiscing. And Sarge still hates Command. For the third question, I think that Church was just trying to make Caboose feel better. Plus, by "fuck it up," he probably means intentionally. He knows that Caboose will do his best to remember, and his best is good enough for Church, even if he lives on in Caboose's memory as an annoying prick. He's probably more afraid that Tucker will intentionally screw around with Church's legacy just to fuck with him.
** So Sarge knew that Grif was going to call close enough to the wall to stick in the Brute shot? I doubt that. And I don't buy that the whole kill Donut thing might to so unaddressed. Alliances made because of a common enemy don't typically last after the common enemy is defeated. At the very least, the issue would be addressed, I think. I'll accept the Epsilon Church explanation though.
** (1) That Sarge gained respect for Grif seems to be the result of fans applying the friendship equivalent of ShippingGoggles in Revelation. He doesn't insult and threaten Grif ''as'' often. He relies on Grif a couple of times when he has no real alternative. As for going back to fighting the Blues, his speech did also hint at the fact that everyone liked their situation. (2) Most of the stuff with Wash is up in the air; we saw very little of their interactions after the fight. He might be a KarmaHoudini, or he might not. (3)
Remembering Church wasn't important in a practical sense; the stuff about memory keeping you alive was generally meant metaphorically when people referred to it. (The AI project obviously gave it a double meaning because they were based on minds and, sometimes, memories.) It was just a FriendshipMoment done for Caboose's benefit. Epsilon knew he might be gone forever, so he gave Caboose a job that would make Caboose think that he was doing something vital for his best friend.
** Maybe Sarge didn't want to see Grif's dead body just after he finally did something.

* This is less about the character, but why is it that everybody on this site is treating Wash as some kind of KarmaHoudini? Granted, he's not exactly the pinnacle of moral standing, but he's not evil! All he did was shoot Lopez, whom he knew was a robot, and therefore could survive. He shot Dount, but Donut's still alive, and there's no way Wash did that by accident, knowing his [[BadassNormal skill level]]. And he lets Doc live ''for no practical reason seeing as he's an incompetent medic and useless as a hostage!''
** Hell, Donut took out Tex. If anything, based off of whatever information Wash might have on him, killing Donut probably was the smart thing to do.
** Not to mention that Washington's only after them because they didn't follow his order to turn Epsilon over to the Chairman which lead to Washington going to jail. Washington's pretty justifiably pissed at the Blood Gulch soldiers.
** Plus, Wash might've known that [[spoiler:that shot wouldn't have killed Donut.]]

* Is it even possible to understand ''Recollections'' ''without'' watching the miniseries'?
** Nope, and since the Recollections UsefulNotes/{{DVD}} features ''Recovery One'', that's not a problem.
*** Actually, yes. It is perfectly understandable without having seen the various miniseries, although they do add quite a bit of backstory and are definitely worth watching.
** I don't understand how this can bug anyone. Surely, as a fan of Machinima/RedVsBlue you'd '''want''' to watch more of it and not skip bits?
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** Probably a translator module built into his armour. [[Franchise/{{Halo}} Master Chief]] can understand what the Covenant are saying, after all.
** Alternately, just because he's been around him so long. Judging by the Season 9 trailer, they were friends (or at least close colleagues) before the AIs drove Meta nuts.

* Every Freelancer is given a codename (a state) and a A.I named after a letter in the greek alphabet. Each Freelancer has one A.I. There are 49 states and 24 letters in the old greek alphabet. How is this possible?
** Maybe they started using letters form different alphabets?
** They stopped assigning AIs after Wash, remember? Presumably, if they had continued and used up all the letters, they would have done what the second poster said.
*** In the commentary for Reconstruction, Burnie mentioned that there were less A.I than Freelancers. Some A.I simply didn't survive the fragmentation process, others were kept in storage for experimentation and weren't given greek letters for names.
*** Season 10 also showed that AIs were reserved only for the very best Freelancers.
** ...''49'' states?
*** [[NoodleIncident Poor, poor Florida...]]
*** [[spoiler:Actually, Captain Butch Flowers was Agent Florida. The only reason the state is at the bottom of the ocean is because Project Freelancer needed a cover story for why he wasn't with them.]]

* Epsilon's name. Alpha is the first, which makes sense. Omega and Gamma were presumably some of the first splits, as they were the ones who tortured Alpha to split his personality more. This also makes sense. We can assume that Omega was made first, and the program named him as such to contrast with Alpha. Then they probably made Beta, then Gamma, going with the Greek letters' order. From there, Omega and Gamma started their handiwork. So, things are making sense...until Epsilon. If Epsilon was the last AI, why was it given the fifth letter?
** Maybe he was the fifth one Project Freelancer could actually use. Wash mentioned that there where rejects and bad versions. Command couldn't figure out which where which at first and only gave the "good ones" the greek letter names.
** As stated above, some of the [=AI=] never received Greek callsigns. It may be that Omega was chosen for field use last, even though he was split from Alpha first.
** We don't know that Epsilon was the last AI to be created. Yes, they stopped their work with the AI implantation after Epsilon went nuts, but we don't know how long it was after Wash was implanted that Epsilon self-destructed or how many other AI were created/implanted in the mean time.
*** Wash specifically states that the memories were the last ting that Alpha cast off.

* Okay I have to ask. Has WordOfGod actually confirmed whether or not the trailer for Recreation is in continuity or not? I've heard some people assume it isn't, but I haven't heard an official statement yet. There's nothing in the trailer to imply that it's fake, especially considering how Reconstruction's trailer wasn't. There's also the fact that certain events, like the fire at Blue Base or Grif teasing Simmons about subtracting one from five are referenced later on in the actual season. But at the same time, there's been no word on whether or not those were the real Church and Tex we saw and whether or not they'll be returning at any point.
** {{Word of God}} (Burnie Burns, I think) has confirmed that the scene with Tex and Church in the trailer is a non-canon 'hook' to get people to watch. {{Trailers Always Lie}}.

* Why didn't they use Caboose for any of the fight scenes in Revelation? Had he gone mano-a-mano with Tex, it would have made for a pretty awesome and action packed fight. Now, I know how that sounds, but just think about it for a minute: First of all, Caboose has been shown to be physically stronger than Tex when he had to carry Andy into O'Malley's fortress (and considering some of the feats of strength ''Tex'' demonstrated throughout Revelation, that's saying quite a lot). What's more, despite his sheer and utter stupidity, Caboose has also demonstrated mad skills with just about any firearm he's ever used (i.e. sniping Sarge in the head, defeating all the Reds and Blues at Battle Creek, gunning down a fleeing South Dakota at range, etc.). All things considered, his only real flaw is that he only manages to fight well against people that he's trying to "help," but that had already been easily worked around by his teammates ordering him to "help" the enemy. All they would have had to do was say "Caboose! Go help Tex!" and he would have gone "Okay!" and *POOF*, instant awesome battle!

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** Probably a translator module built into his armour. [[Franchise/{{Halo}} Master Chief]] can understand what the Covenant are saying, after all.
** Alternately,
just because he's been around him so long. Judging by the Season 9 trailer, they were friends (or at least close colleagues) before the AIs drove Meta nuts.

* Every Freelancer is given a codename (a state) and a A.I named after a letter in the greek alphabet. Each Freelancer has one A.I. There are 49 states and 24 letters in the old greek alphabet. How is this possible?
** Maybe they started using letters form different alphabets?
** They stopped assigning AIs after Wash, remember? Presumably, if they had continued and used up all the letters, they would have done what the second poster said.
*** In the commentary for Reconstruction, Burnie mentioned that there were less A.I than Freelancers. Some A.I simply didn't survive the fragmentation process, others were kept in storage for experimentation and weren't given greek letters for names.
*** Season 10 also showed that AIs were reserved only for the very best Freelancers.
** ...''49'' states?
*** [[NoodleIncident Poor, poor Florida...]]
*** [[spoiler:Actually, Captain Butch Flowers was Agent Florida. The only reason the state is at the bottom of the ocean is because Project Freelancer needed a cover story for why he wasn't with them.]]

* Epsilon's name. Alpha is the first, which makes sense. Omega and Gamma were presumably some of the first splits, as they were the ones who tortured Alpha to split his personality more. This also makes sense. We can assume that Omega was made first, and the program named him as such to contrast with Alpha. Then they probably made Beta, then Gamma, going with the Greek letters' order. From there, Omega and Gamma started their handiwork. So, things are making sense...until Epsilon. If Epsilon was the last AI, why was it given the fifth letter?
** Maybe he was the fifth one Project Freelancer could actually use. Wash mentioned that there where rejects and bad versions. Command couldn't figure out which where which at first and only gave the "good ones" the greek letter names.
** As stated above, some of the [=AI=] never received Greek callsigns. It may be that Omega was chosen for field use last, even though he was split from Alpha first.
** We don't know that Epsilon was the last AI to be created. Yes, they stopped their work with the AI implantation after Epsilon went nuts, but we don't know how long it was after Wash was implanted that Epsilon self-destructed or how many other AI were created/implanted in the mean time.
*** Wash specifically states that the memories were the last ting that Alpha cast off.

* Okay I have to ask. Has WordOfGod actually confirmed whether or not the trailer for Recreation is in continuity or not? I've heard some people assume it isn't, but I haven't heard an official statement yet. There's nothing in the trailer to imply that it's fake, especially considering how Reconstruction's trailer wasn't. There's also the fact that certain events, like the fire at Blue Base or Grif teasing Simmons about subtracting one from five are referenced later on in the actual season. But at the same time, there's been no word on whether or not those were the real Church and Tex we saw and whether or not they'll be returning at any point.
** {{Word of God}} (Burnie Burns, I think) has confirmed that the scene with Tex and Church in the trailer is a non-canon 'hook' to get people to watch. {{Trailers Always Lie}}.

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* Why didn't they use Caboose for any of the fight scenes in Revelation? Had he gone mano-a-mano with Tex, it would have made for a pretty awesome and action packed fight. Now, I know how that sounds, but just think about it for a minute: First of all, Caboose has been shown to be physically stronger than Tex when he had to carry Andy into O'Malley's fortress (and considering some of the feats of strength ''Tex'' demonstrated throughout Revelation, that's saying quite a lot). What's more, despite his sheer and utter stupidity, Caboose has also demonstrated mad skills with just about any firearm he's ever used (i.e. sniping Sarge in the head, defeating all the Reds and Blues at Battle Creek, gunning down a fleeing South Dakota at range, etc.). All things considered, his only real flaw is that he only manages to fight well against people that he's trying to "help," but that had already been easily worked around by his teammates ordering him to "help" the enemy. All they would have had to do was say "Caboose! Go help Tex!" and he would have gone "Okay!" and *POOF*, instant awesome battle!



*** I figure it's because Caboose's humor lies more in his stupidity than his incompetence in battle. The more I think about it, CGI Caboose getting beat up by Tex or helping the others fight off the Meta just seems kind of strange in my mind.
*** Also pretty cruel, since he's basically a [[ManChild child]]. I didn't like that sequence at all, actually. Why didn't they just shoot her or run to a more defensible position? How is that a worse option than hanging around and letting Tex beat the shit out of them? (Was it really Tex? She hated the Blood Gulch crew, but she didn't attack them for no reason. Except when they're asleep, of course.)
*** They ''did'' try to shoot her. Repeatedly. But she was fast enough to dodge, get close up and disarm them before they could get any shots in. They didn't run because A: they were unfamiliar with their surroundings so they didn't know if there was a more defensible position nearby, B: she would have followed them and I really doubt any of them would be able to outrun her and C: they were panicking. Most of them were barely even trained as soldiers and they were up against Project Freelancer's ultimate killing machine. I'd have panicked too. As for whether or not it was the real Tex we were seeing, we'll have to wait and see. Rooster Teeth is being awfully coy about who this Tex is.
*** Agreed on the reasoning behind Caboose not being in CGI because him getting beat up would just be cruel. It would be like [[ShootTheDog shooting a puppy]]!

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*** ** I figure it's because Caboose's humor lies more in his stupidity than his incompetence in battle. The more I think about it, CGI Caboose getting beat up by Tex or helping the others fight off the Meta just seems kind of strange in my mind.
*** ** Also pretty cruel, since he's basically a [[ManChild child]]. I didn't like that sequence at all, actually. Why Also, why didn't they just shoot her or run to a more defensible position? How is that a worse option than hanging around and letting Tex beat the shit out of them? (Was it really Tex? She hated the Blood Gulch crew, but she didn't attack them for no reason. Except when they're asleep, of course.)
***
them?
**
They ''did'' try to shoot her. Repeatedly. But she was fast enough to dodge, get close up and disarm them before they could get any shots in. They didn't run because A: they were unfamiliar with their surroundings so they didn't know if there was a more defensible position nearby, B: she would have followed them and I really doubt any of them would be able to outrun her and C: they were panicking. Most of them were barely even trained as soldiers and they were up against Project Freelancer's ultimate killing machine. I'd have panicked too. As for whether or not it was the real Tex we were seeing, we'll have to wait and see. Rooster Teeth is being awfully coy about who this Tex is.\n***
**
Agreed on the reasoning behind Caboose not being in CGI because him getting beat up would just be cruel. It would be like [[ShootTheDog shooting a puppy]]!




* I have two questions:
** In Season 3, when Church and Grif are in jail on Sidewinder, and Wyoming walks up to them, he is using invisibility. Invisibility was not his ability, it was Tex's. How did he get invisibility, and if he had it, why did he never again use it?
*** The show is set in the Halo universe, where there is more than one cloaking device. I'm guessing Tex's cloak is more effective than the regular kind. She can attack people without turning visible and stuff. Wyomming was presumably using the an ordinary cloak like the ones you get in the game and I guess he just never felt the need to use it again. Although he may have. He did sneak up on the Blues when they were at Red base.
** This one is very minor, but after Grif crashes the Pelican into the canyon in Revelations, Wash tells Tucker and Caboose to go collect stuff for him. He mentions Tucker by name, but as far as I can remember, Wash has never met Tucker. How did he know his name?
*** Multiple ways. First, all the Reds' and Blues' profiles were on file; Wash could have come across Tucker in the databases. Second, Tucker found out about how the conflict between Reds and Blues was a lie, and Wyoming was sent after him; presumably, more than one Freelancer was told about the situation. Third, the Blood Gulch gang could have told Wash about him. Fourth, Tucker was working as an ambassador to the aliens, so he could presumably have celebrity status. Fifth, he has an alien child, which isn't exactly commonplace, and is probably widely talked about. Sixth, Wash could've been briefed on the entire Blood Gulch gang when he was sent after them.
*** It's definitely the sixth one since Wash was looking specifically for the Blues. It would make sense for them to actually brief him on who he was looking for and by extension which Blue not to look for.

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\n* I have two questions:
** In Season 3, when Church and Grif are in jail on Sidewinder, and Wyoming walks up to them, he is using invisibility. Invisibility was not his ability, it was Tex's. How did he get invisibility, and if he had it, why did he never again use it?
*** The show is set in the Halo universe, where there is more than one cloaking device. I'm guessing Tex's cloak is more effective than the regular kind. She can attack people without turning visible and stuff. Wyomming was presumably using the an ordinary cloak like the ones you get in the game and I guess he just never felt the need to use it again. Although he may have. He did sneak up on the Blues when they were at Red base.
**
This one is very minor, but after Grif crashes the Pelican into the canyon in Revelations, Wash tells Tucker and Caboose to go collect stuff for him. He mentions Tucker by name, but as far as I can remember, Wash has never met Tucker. How did he know his name?
*** ** Multiple ways. First, all the Reds' and Blues' profiles were on file; Wash could have come across Tucker in the databases. Second, Tucker found out about how the conflict between Reds and Blues was a lie, and Wyoming was sent after him; presumably, more than one Freelancer was told about the situation. Third, the Blood Gulch gang could have told Wash about him. Fourth, Tucker was working as an ambassador to the aliens, so he could presumably have celebrity status. Fifth, he has an alien child, which isn't exactly commonplace, and is probably widely talked about. Sixth, Wash could've been briefed on the entire Blood Gulch gang when he was sent after them.
*** It's definitely the sixth one since Wash was looking specifically for the Blues. It would make sense for them to actually brief him on who he was looking for and by extension which Blue not to look for.
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* The entire "Revelation" in season 8 that OMFG the Red vs Blue battles are a lie! We already knew that, Wash told us all about in Reconstruction, so why did everyone act like they had no idea?
** Probably because the way Wash said it in Reconstruction (arguing about why they should let him order them around), they probably thought he was either making something up to be a jerk to them, or otherwise wrong. (Heck, Sarge even scoffs, "You're making that up!") It wasn't until Revelation that they had concrete info other than just taking Wash's word for it, so that they realized yeah, he'd been absolutely right, and they just couldn't deny it anymore.\\
Or in short, I'd say it's part of the {{running gag}} that nobody ever takes Wash entirely seriously.
*** Also, Sarge seems to be the only one that cares. The Blues are busy with the actual plot, while Simmons is just more annoyed he was considered expendable and Grif…well, caring would require putting forth effort.

* If Grif and Sister are from Hawaii, then where the hell did they go ice skating where Sister could have been stuck underwater for three hours?
** Just because they lived in Hawaii doesn't mean they never left the place, ever.
** 500 years into the future, a lot can change. For all we know, Hawaii is cold in the future.
*** They have these things called refrigerated ice skating rinks, you know…
*** But those are not put over lakes. It's just ground under a layer of ice.

* In Out Of Mind, Tex and York talk about York's eye injury and they all agree it's Omega's fault. But the Season 9 trailer implies that York lost his eye ''before'' they began implanting AIs in people, possibly before Tex even became a Freelancer. How is that supposed to work?!
** We don't know that it took place before any implantations, just before Wash's and probably York's and Maine's. Previous references indicated that the process was done in groups, so not all of the Freelancers got their [=AIs=] at the same time. Wash's reference to them implies that that part of the program was in its early stages, so presumably Tex was an early attempt.
** Could also be a red herring; for all we know, York's eye will get injured again and much worse by Omega later in the series.
*** This seems to be the case seeing as York seems to shrug off the eye injury in the trailer when telling Wash about it.
** You guys are a bit off. York's eye injury was caused by Maine throwing a grenade in training, and Tex saved his other eye by using shooting him with the sticky stuff, which hardened the armor and saved York's life. Now, none of this has anything to do with Omega, but notice that Tex and York never ''actually'' say it was Omega's fault. They just say that by going after Wyoming, York can get revenge. This makes sense, because Wyoming was also in that training simulation, and he was also using lethal firearms. With Maine and Wyoming both being so reckless, it was just a matter of time before someone got injured, and the fact that it happened to be Maine that eventually caused York's injury doesn't mean Wyoming was being any less of an asshole. In summary, the revenge is on Wyoming, Omega's not to blame, Tex saved York in a training mission.

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\n* The entire "Revelation" in season 8 that OMFG the Red vs Blue battles are a lie! We already knew that, Wash told us all about in Reconstruction, so why did everyone act like they had no idea?
** Probably because the way Wash said it in Reconstruction (arguing about why they should let him order them around), they probably thought he was either making something up to be a jerk to them, or otherwise wrong. (Heck, Sarge even scoffs, "You're making that up!") It wasn't until Revelation that they had concrete info other than just taking Wash's word for it, so that they realized yeah, he'd been absolutely right, and they just couldn't deny it anymore.\\
Or in short, I'd say it's part of the {{running gag}} that nobody ever takes Wash entirely seriously.
*** ** Also, Sarge seems to be the only one that cares. The Blues are busy with the actual plot, while Simmons is just more annoyed he was considered expendable and Grif…well, caring would require putting forth effort.

* If Grif and Sister are from Hawaii, then where the hell did they go ice skating where Sister could have been stuck underwater for three hours?
** Just because they lived in Hawaii doesn't mean they never left the place, ever.
** 500 years into the future, a lot can change. For all we know, Hawaii is cold in the future.
*** They have these things called refrigerated ice skating rinks, you know…
*** But those are not put over lakes. It's just ground under a layer of ice.

* In Out Of Mind, Tex and York talk about York's eye injury and they all agree it's Omega's fault. But the Season 9 trailer implies that York lost his eye ''before'' they began implanting AIs in people, possibly before Tex even became a Freelancer. How is that supposed to work?!
** We don't know that it took place before any implantations, just before Wash's and probably York's and Maine's. Previous references indicated that the process was done in groups, so not all of the Freelancers got their [=AIs=] at the same time. Wash's reference to them implies that that part of the program was in its early stages, so presumably Tex was an early attempt.
** Could also be a red herring; for all we know, York's eye will get injured again and much worse by Omega later in the series.
*** This seems to be the case seeing as York seems to shrug off the eye injury in the trailer when telling Wash about it.
** You guys are a bit off. York's eye injury was caused by Maine throwing a grenade in training, and Tex saved his other eye by using shooting him with the sticky stuff, which hardened the armor and saved York's life. Now, none of this has anything to do with Omega, but notice that Tex and York never ''actually'' say it was Omega's fault. They just say that by going after Wyoming, York can get revenge. This makes sense, because Wyoming was also in that training simulation, and he was also using lethal firearms. With Maine and Wyoming both being so reckless, it was just a matter of time before someone got injured, and the fact that it happened to be Maine that eventually caused York's injury doesn't mean Wyoming was being any less of an asshole. In summary, the revenge is on Wyoming, Omega's not to blame, Tex saved York in a training mission.
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** You do remember the whole "torturing an AI so it breaks into fragments" deal, right? And that Wash had Memories of that process via Epsilon? Let me get the quote:
-->Wash:We take it, and we get it in the hands of someone who can use all its information. Then they can bring down the person responsible for what was done to Alpha. And to me. And to my friends. They can take down the Director.
Wash simply wanted to get revenge on the Director, and wipe out the fragments that formed the Meta since they killed a bunch of Freelancers. Having Church staying behind was morally questionable, but Church had a choice.

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** You do remember the whole "torturing an AI so it breaks into fragments" deal, right? And that Wash had Memories of that process via Epsilon? Let me get the quote:
-->Wash:We
quote: "We take it, and we get it in the hands of someone who can use all its information. Then they can bring down the person responsible for what was done to Alpha. And to me. And to my friends. They can take down the Director.
Director." Wash simply wanted to get revenge on the Director, and wipe out the fragments that formed the Meta since they killed a bunch of Freelancers. Having Church staying behind was morally questionable, but Church had a choice.
choice.




* Though Caboose wasn't exactly smart to begin with, there's been multiple hints that his extreme "stupidity" is due to the Omega incident. It's also been stated that the forceful removal of an AI from someone's head causes some kind of trauma or damage. Which makes Caboose actually ''brain damaged'', perhaps even to the point of disability or mental handicap. Keeping this in mind, it suddenly becomes quite uncomfortable to see the others berate him, mock him, or patronize him for being "stupid" or "an idiot." Though berating, mocking, or patronizing someone for low IQ is pretty mean in itself, berating, mocking, or patronizing a disabled person for laughs seems to be {{Unfortunate Implications}}.
** While he was nowhere near as bad as he is now, Caboose was always naive to begin with, and was thought of as an idiot by Church and Tucker. Because of this, they probably didn't notice that Caboose had become even worse after Omega, because they always considered him to be dumb, and he was just living up to their perception of him. Therefore, if he is brain damaged, they don't know it.
** Honestly, rewatching from the beginning, Caboose was actually pretty dumb in the beginning (at least, before Omega). I think people's perception of early Caboose is slightly warped because in his first couple appearances, he's just naive. His "that makes you... a gay robot!" line was pre-Omega, for example. He didn't really have as much of an opportunity to show off his idiocy. Plus, there's no evidence of an AI being removed causing brain damage or mental handicap of the sort Caboose has... just general craziness has been implied, and considering Wash (who had an AI forcibly removed after it tried to kill itself because it remembered being horrifically tortured) isn't an idiot, and [[spoiler: Carolina doesn't seem to be either]], I see no evidence for it. Donut, on the other hand...

* Just ''why'' are people so insistent that the blue Freelancer is Tex in some form or other, even after [[spoiler:she was revealed to be Carolina]]? She doesn't sound like Tex. She doesn't talk like Tex does. She has a ''very'' unique fighting style, involving flips and dancer-like kicks and minimum use of guns. It feels like forcing the similarities between the two is taking away from the fact that she's a very interesting character by herself. [[spoiler: And now that we know she's Carolina, why keep insisting that Carolina is actually Allison or the body Tex possesses, when Carolina has a pretty cool story of her own?]]
** Thats kind of a mish-mash of fan-theories. Ever since the big reveal of Reconstruction, people have been saying that the first time we see Church, he is already possesing a human body. WordOfGod says otherwise. There are hints that York and Carolina used to stick together, or where a couple (like Church assuming that when Tex met York, she also met Carolina) and Tex being Carolina in a way would make York and Tex working together more tragic.
** A lot of it is fanwanking. It's entirely possible that the Freelancers actually do have (or rather had) two incredibly badass female agents. Still, they do have a lot of similarities. Consider that Delta says Caroline receives two AI. We know of a character who has two AI in one body (Season one Tex and Omega, given that Tex was an AI).
*** Except Tex and Church were not AI's in Season 1. That was retconned much later in the series.
*** They were AI's in season 1: the whole idea of a Retcon is "retroactive continuity" meaning that it applies to previous seasons. Furthermore, nothing in Season 1 directly contradicts Tex and Church being AI's, which made the retcon make sense when it was revealed in Reconstruction.
** In any case, the theories are completely pointless. Carolina and Tex have been separate characters since Season 1, even before Carolina was mentioned at all. There were 49 freelancers, all of them with state designations and Allison got the Texas designation because she is from Texas.

* Can someone tell me what the hell is going on at this point?
** Epsilon is in the Epsilon-pod. He wants to recreate the events of the Blood Gulch Chronicles so Tex will show up. But he couldn't create the Reds with the right persionalities and Caboose already called help from Command, which originally didn't happen until after Church died. So there are some changes and this part of the series seems to focus on how those change affect the story and Epsilon.
** The other parts focuses on the history of Project Freelancer. This is a Prequel to the main series, with no direct connection to the Epsilon-plot as of now. South and North extracted some Data from a Base, got discoverd, got saved by Carolina, everyone took of in a Pelican piloted by Pilot Lady. The Director is unhappy, because while they know where to go next thanks to the data, the enemy now knows they are coming. So South drops a rank on the chart and she is pissed.
Thats pretty much it.

* In season 4, Church tells a disguised Simmons that he likes Donut, whom he considers to be pretty harmless. Wouldn't Church think the exact opposite, knowing that Donut was the one who "killed" Tex in season 1?
** Church is yanking Simmons' chain in that scene. It's not about what Church really thinks, it's about what will make Simmons upset. And let's face it -- aside from that one lucky throw, Donut ''is'' harmless.

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\n* Though Caboose wasn't exactly smart to begin with, there's been multiple hints that his extreme "stupidity" is due to the Omega incident. It's also been stated that the forceful removal of an AI from someone's head causes some kind of trauma or damage. Which makes Caboose actually ''brain damaged'', perhaps even to the point of disability or mental handicap. Keeping this in mind, it suddenly becomes quite uncomfortable to see the others berate him, mock him, or patronize him for being "stupid" or "an idiot." Though berating, mocking, or patronizing someone for low IQ is pretty mean in itself, berating, mocking, or patronizing a disabled person for laughs seems to be {{Unfortunate Implications}}.
** While he was nowhere near as bad as he is now, Caboose was always naive to begin with, and was thought of as an idiot by Church and Tucker. Because of this, they probably didn't notice that Caboose had become even worse after Omega, because they always considered him to be dumb, and he was just living up to their perception of him. Therefore, if he is brain damaged, they don't know it.
** Honestly, rewatching from the beginning, Caboose was actually pretty dumb in
At the beginning (at least, before Omega). I think people's perception of early Caboose is slightly warped because in his first couple appearances, he's just naive. His "that makes you... a gay robot!" line was pre-Omega, for example. He didn't really have as much episode 19 of an opportunity to show off his idiocy. Plus, there's no evidence of an AI being removed causing brain damage or mental handicap of the sort Caboose has... just general craziness has been implied, and considering Revelation Wash (who had an AI forcibly removed after it tried tries to kill itself because it remembered being horrifically tortured) isn't an idiot, stab Tex with the memory unit and [[spoiler: Carolina she knocks it out of his hands and almost off the cliff. He then yells "Be more careful, this thing cant take anymore hits." What bugs me is who is he yelling that at? If doesn't seem make sense for it to be either]], I see Meta because he didn't have it and had no evidence for it. Donut, on the other hand...

* Just ''why'' are people so insistent that the blue Freelancer is Tex
part in some form or other, it getting knocked away. It makes even after [[spoiler:she was revealed less sense to yell at Tex because she has every right to be Carolina]]? She doesn't sound like Tex. She doesn't talk like Tex does. She has a ''very'' unique fighting style, involving flips and dancer-like kicks and minimum use of guns. It feels like forcing the similarities between the two is taking knocking it away from the fact that she's a very interesting character by herself. [[spoiler: And now that we know she's Carolina, why keep insisting that Carolina is actually Allison or the body Tex possesses, when Carolina has a pretty cool story of her own?]]
** Thats kind of a mish-mash of fan-theories. Ever
since the big reveal of Reconstruction, people have been saying that the first time we see Church, he Wash is already possesing a human body. WordOfGod says otherwise. There are hints that York and Carolina used trying to stick together, or where a couple (like Church assuming that when Tex met York, she also met Carolina) and Tex being Carolina in a way would make York and Tex working together more tragic.
** A lot of it is fanwanking.
STAB her with it. It's entirely possible that the Freelancers actually do his fault but he seems to be yelling at someone, can anyone clarify this for me?
** Wash is highly stressed and generally likes yelling at people for something they
have (or rather had) two incredibly badass female agents. Still, no fault at.
** I understand the stress part but I don't recall any time he yells at people for things
they do have a lot didn't do, except the incident with Donut. Even then Wash tends to be the one who is rational and calm, not the one who lashes out at others when he messes up, it all just seems too out of similarities. Consider that Delta says Caroline receives two AI. We know of character to me.
** I figured he was just warning the Meta to watch where/how he's attacking just in case he would accidentally hit the device. Not so much laying fault anywhere as just giving a heads up on the situation.
** He was probably yelling at Tex. I've seen scenes in movies and such where
a character who has two AI in one body (Season one Tex and Omega, given that Tex was an AI).
*** Except Tex and Church were not AI's in Season 1.
will yell at the person they're fighting to be more careful with something, or to give something or back, or something else the person they're fighting very clearly isn't going to do. Usually it's just a person's instinct to say something like that.
* Does Grif still have super speed?
** Probably not.
That was retconned much later at least one armor set in the series.
*** They were AI's in season 1: the whole idea of a Retcon is "retroactive continuity" meaning that it applies to previous seasons. Furthermore, nothing in Season 1 directly contradicts Tex
past, and Church being AI's, which made the retcon make sense when it was revealed in Reconstruction.
** In any case, the theories are completely pointless. Carolina and Tex have been separate characters since Season 1, even before Carolina was mentioned at all. There were 49 freelancers, all of them with state designations and Allison got the Texas designation because she is from Texas.

* Can someone tell me what the hell is going on at this point?
** Epsilon is in the Epsilon-pod. He wants to recreate the events of the Blood Gulch Chronicles so Tex will show up. But he couldn't create the Reds with the right persionalities and Caboose already called help from Command, which originally
didn't happen until after Church died. So work right then, so there are some changes and this part of the series seems to focus on how those change affect the story and Epsilon.
** The other parts focuses on the history of Project Freelancer. This is a Prequel to the main series, with no direct connection to the Epsilon-plot as of now. South and North extracted some Data from a Base, got discoverd, got saved by Carolina, everyone took of in a Pelican piloted by Pilot Lady. The Director is unhappy, because while they know where to go next thanks to the data, the enemy now knows they are coming. So South drops a rank on the chart and she is pissed.
Thats pretty
wouldn't be much it.

* In season 4, Church tells a disguised
point in trying to use it again even if Simmons that he likes Donut, whom he considers to be pretty harmless. Wouldn't Church think the exact opposite, knowing that Donut was the one who "killed" didn't remove it immediately.
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[[folder:Freelancer Saga]]
* In Out Of Mind,
Tex in season 1?
** Church is yanking Simmons' chain in that scene. It's not
and York talk about what Church really thinks, York's eye injury and they all agree it's about what will make Simmons upset. And let's face it -- aside from Omega's fault. But Season 9 reveals that one lucky throw, Donut ''is'' harmless.
York lost his eye ''before'' they began implanting AIs in people.
** York's eye injury was caused by Maine throwing a grenade in training, and Tex saved his other eye by using shooting him with the sticky stuff, which hardened the armor and saved York's life. Now, none of this has anything to do with Omega, but notice that Tex and York never ''actually'' say it was Omega's fault. They just say that by going after Wyoming, York can get revenge. This makes sense, because Wyoming was also in that training simulation, and he was also using lethal firearms. With Maine and Wyoming both being so reckless, it was just a matter of time before someone got injured, and the fact that it happened to be Maine that eventually caused York's injury doesn't mean Wyoming was being any less of an asshole. In summary, the revenge is on Wyoming, Omega's not to blame, Tex saved York in a training mission.



** Best guess? Wait and see.
*** It might be similar to what happened in the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' series. Originally, the Spartans were designed to fight against human insurrectionists; the UNSC didn't even know the Covenant existed until the Spartans had already become full-fledged super-soldiers. Seems confirmed as of episode 13, when insurrectionists are explicitly mentioned.

* This is kind of a personal one, but I've gotten really emotionally vested in the story so far, especially the backstory of Project Freelancer. Is it wrong then, that I get disappointed when the episode focuses on the main cast? Or that a PSA comes up instead of an actual episode?
** You're not the only one. I think the "problem" with doing two completely different story lines, in completely different styles and moods, is that it splits the fans into two groups. There are those who wait on the edges of their seats each week for Freelancer action who then get disappointing when it's just the RVB guys talking. Then there are the fans who miss the "traditional" RVB, and complain that there's too much action. Last season, there wasn't such a divide because it was all mixed together into one story line.
** Another person who agrees with you. I feel like as much as I like the BGC crew, their storyline feels pretty finished with nowhere much to go in terms of growth and development versus just rehashing the same stuff. And honestly what we've seen of the BGC crew so far seems to confirm that; it's amusing and occasionally laugh-out-loud funny, but nothing we haven't seen before.\\\
In contrast, the Freelancer stuff is fairly new and interesting, and has been handled pretty decently throughout the series' run. And it's a chance to get to know better some characters like York and North that barely got any screentime before, or folks like Carolina who were previously mere mentions. Unfortunately, the constant switching back to the BGC is interfering, and making it feel like neither storyline is picking up enough steam. I really wish RT had just stuck fully to the Freelancer story and possibly just saved the BGC stuff for next season instead.\\\
And it's sort of darkly amusing to see that the forum thread on [=RvB=] is full of people who feel exactly the opposite of us...
** I think part of it might be because of how long the freelancer episodes take to make, they would never be able to make a whole season worth of these. Besides the Blood Gultch stuff helps the pacing of the series, having the traditional episodes means that all of the CG episodes do not need the level of action that episode 2-4 had.
*** Now that we are nearing the end of the season things are getting crazy in both stories, this season will be awesome on dvd and part of that is because of its pacing

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** Best guess? Wait and see.
***
It might be similar to what happened in the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' series. Originally, the Spartans were designed to fight against human insurrectionists; the UNSC didn't even know the Covenant existed until the Spartans had already become full-fledged super-soldiers. Seems confirmed as of episode 13, when insurrectionists are explicitly mentioned.

* This is kind of a personal one, but I've gotten really emotionally vested in the story so far, especially the backstory of Project Freelancer. Is it wrong then, that I get disappointed when the episode focuses on the main cast? Or that a PSA comes up instead of an actual episode?
** You're not the only one. I think the "problem" with doing two completely different story lines, in completely different styles and moods, is that it splits the fans into two groups. There are those who wait on the edges of their seats each week for Freelancer action who then get disappointing when it's just the RVB guys talking. Then there are the fans who miss the "traditional" RVB, and complain that there's too much action. Last season, there wasn't such a divide because it was all mixed together into one story line.
** Another person who agrees with you. I feel like as much as I like the BGC crew, their storyline feels pretty finished with nowhere much to go in terms of growth and development versus just rehashing the same stuff. And honestly what we've seen of the BGC crew so far seems to confirm that; it's amusing and occasionally laugh-out-loud funny, but nothing we haven't seen before.\\\
In contrast, the Freelancer stuff is fairly new and interesting, and has been handled pretty decently throughout the series' run. And it's a chance to get to know better some characters like York and North that barely got any screentime before, or folks like Carolina who were previously mere mentions. Unfortunately, the constant switching back to the BGC is interfering, and making it feel like neither storyline is picking up enough steam. I really wish RT had just stuck fully to the Freelancer story and possibly just saved the BGC stuff for next season instead.\\\
And it's sort of darkly amusing to see that the forum thread on [=RvB=] is full of people who feel exactly the opposite of us...
** I think part of it might be because of how long the freelancer episodes take to make, they would never be able to make a whole season worth of these. Besides the Blood Gultch stuff helps the pacing of the series, having the traditional episodes means that all of the CG episodes do not need the level of action that episode 2-4 had.
*** Now that we are nearing the end of the season things are getting crazy in both stories, this season will be awesome on dvd and part of that is because of its pacing
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* Does it bother anyone else that Carolina was very conspicuously wearing lip gloss and eyeliner in the Finale?
** It bothers me. Not only is it plain dumb (they are on a rescue mission that, according to Caboose, went on for some time, she is wearing a helmet, so for whom to see did she put on perfect make-up that stays perfect after hours of sweaty fighting?), it's also really out of character for Carolina.
*** Er...she was wearing makeup when talking to the Director, not after the rescue mission. We don't even see her face after the rescue mission.
** As for why she's wearing it when talking to the Director, is there a rule that says that women who can kick your butt have to hate makeup or something? It doesn't seem odd to me at all that she might wear some between missions.
*** But if she's wearing it to look nice, then why's she still in her armor with her helmet under her arm? Can she even use those bulky arms to do eyeliner and mascara without poking herself in the eye? And isn't there a rule in the military that women can't wear conspicuous makeup? Honestly, I think the only reason she's in makeup is because Monty Oum thought she'd look hotter that way.
*** "is there a rule that says that women who can kick your butt have to hate makeup or something?" No, but it's pretty understandable that women who spend all day kicking butt, jumping off skyscrapers, dodging bullets, and getting run over by trucks are too ''busy'' to put on smoky eyes.
*** In the scene in question, she was back at base, between missions. We're not talking about her taking off her helmet at the end of the freeway chase, we're talking about in the finale when she's talking to the Director, which is likely some time after the heist/freeway chase. So no, I wouldn't say she would be too busy to do so.
*** Even if she ''is'' between missions (which doesn't mean ''free time''), if she's too preoccupied to get out of that half-ton suit, then it's pretty likely she'd be too preoccupied to do smoky eyes. I'm pretty sure women in the military don't wear mascara, eyeliner, and lip gloss while still wearing full combat gear.
*** We don't know her character that well. Maybe wearing make up is just an odd quirk. Maybe its just Rule of Sexy at work. Its not like it makes her any less of a character.
*** Considering her, ah, tone of voice while talking to the Director, it's entirely possible she put on the makeup because she wanted to impress/look good for him as much as possible while still "on-duty".
*** The end of season 10 kinda rules this one out.
*** Of course, it's possible that we could just be overanalyzing things and that the real reason was simply because [[http://roosterteeth.com/archive/?id=4014&v=more her 3D model was generated from the face of a woman who was wearing makeup]].




* Who is the soldier in blue armor who appears in the background of some scenes, such as the "planning the heist" scene? He/she was apparently considered important enough to appear on the Project Freelancer cover and DVD case.
** He's probably a pilot, like Four Seven Niner.
** In an AMA on Reddit, Burnie said we'll see more of him/her in Season 10. They could be just support personnel, but the fact that they're going to show up again does hint they could be more important--maybe another Freelancer, maybe another pilot (there were two Pelicans in the heist, after all, even if Four Seven Niner's total awesomeness overshadowed the other guy's actions).
** I thought he was Church at first. Then I just went "meh" since, while he's unimportant, so are Wyoming and (ultimately) North. They're two of the least featured Freelancers of the season (North being almost a decoy protagonist)... maybe they'll do more next season, too.
** WMG has the best theory ever, for it. It's Private Jimmy from Sidewinder. It wouldn't make sense to be another pilot because he's last seen riding in Four-Seven-Niner's Pelican.
** Season 10 proves it's [[spoiler:Captain Flowers, aka Agent Florida]].

* The RvB wiki says York's first name is James. Is this officially confirmed anywhere?
** It's on Wikipedia, which is where the RvB wiki got it from, but there's no reference on Wikipedia. My bet is that somebody just stuck it in there and no one ever noticed and took it down, because I've never seen any confirmation of it anywhere.

* At the beginning of episode 19 of Revelation Wash tries to stab Tex with the memory unit and she knocks it out of his hands and almost off the cliff. He then yells "Be more careful, this thing cant take anymore hits." What bugs me is who is he yelling that at? If doesn't make sense for it to be Meta because he didn't have it and had no part in it getting knocked away. It makes even less sense to yell at Tex because she has every right to be knocking it away since Wash is trying to STAB her with it. It's entirely his fault but he seems to be yelling at someone, can anyone clarify this for me?
** Wash is highly stressed and generally likes yelling at people for something they have no fault at.
** I understand the stress part but I don't recall any time he yells at people for things they didn't do, except the incident with Donut. Even then Wash tends to be the one who is rational and calm, not the one who lashes out at others when he messes up, it all just seems too out of character to me.
** I figured he was just warning the Meta to watch where/how he's attacking just in case he would accidentally hit the device. Not so much laying fault anywhere as just giving a heads up on the situation.
** He was probably yelling at Tex. I've seen scenes in movies and such where a character will yell at the person they're fighting to be more careful with something, or to give something or back, or something else the person they're fighting very clearly isn't going to do. Usually it's just a person's instinct to say something like that.

* Kind of a fandom headscratcher here, I guess. Namely, why do people constantly depict Washington in fanfics as being essentially a mean and cruel BloodKnight with an uncontrollable and inherent anger problem? Even when they're spot on with other people's characterizations. When IMHO it's clear he's basically the stereotypical hardened-but-still-a-good-guy generic by-the-book Special Agent hero popular in other stories, just transplanted into the demented [=RvB=] universe with all the results you'd expect. Borne out by his Season 9 portrayal where he has mostly the same personality but isn't hardened yet so he's much nicer and more naive instead of angry and bitter.\\\
Not to say the guy isn't angry in the future, just that it's mostly justified considering both what happened to him and in having to deal with the Blood Gulch guys. I mean, he comes off as extremely controlled in being just a bit curt and snippy in reaction to the abuse and stupidity the BG guys heap on him (including Church saying he's ''glad Washington's comrades are being murdered'', for pity's sake).\\\
Even when he goes off the deep end in Season 8, he still doesn't flip as much as he could have. He even keeps Doc around and alive even though he has no particular reason to, and is even ''polite'' to Doc. Despite Doc snarking at him constantly.\\\
So yeah. I don't get it.
** That, my friend, is called RonTheDeathEater. Maybe it's something to do with shooting Lopez and Donut, and [[NeverLiveItDown not being able to live it down]].
** It's the same reason why some people constantly want to pair him with South Dakota. They just don't truly understand the character.
** Probably because some fanfic writers are... I don't know how else to put it, but... gullible? Superficial? That is pretty much the personality he's actively trying to cultivate. [[MinionWithAnFInEvil He's just not very good at it.]] Doc even lampshades it.

* What happened to blue team's original Sargent?
** The Blue Team's original sergeant was Captain Flowers who died of an aspirin overdose. It... sort of makes sense in context. See the middle of Season 3.
*** Not overdose, allergy.
*** You're both right. It was an allergy, but the "official" story that Command has is overdose.

* In Recovery 1, Wash seems to be meeting Delta for the first time. But then in the first episode of Season 10, York says to Delta, "Have you been talking to Wash again?"
** Delta likely hadn't seen Washington for years since the Epsilon breakdown. It's possible Delta was simply unsure if it was Wash when he first saw him. Especially considering the change in personality Wash had since the breakdown.
** Alternately (and depressingly), Delta gets a memory wipe at some point between the prequel stuff and when he's recovered by Wash. Or his memories were screwed up by being shut down temporarily after York died.

* Every time they talk about bathroom breaks or going to the bathroom. If they're using Mjolnir armor, then shouldn't they be catheterized?
** RuleOfFunny.

* I may have missed something describing this, so if so, please just tell me. All Freelancers are given agent names based on states in the USA. Keeping that in mind, look at North and South; North Dakota and South Dakota. The states they are named after have the same name, but with "north" or "south" added to it. Now, look at Carolina. Isn't there also a North Carolina and South Carolina? I can understand just calling her Carolina and not North or South, so she doesn't get confused with the Dakota twins, but shouldn't there be a second Carolina? I've only seen one, and no explanation as to where the other is.
** One of the series' songs implies there's an Agent DC, so it may be there was only ever one Carolina, with Agent DC making up the difference.
*** The song also mentions Puerto Rico (but immediately follows with "does that even count?").
** It's likely she's only called carolina because most people think she's either A) just that good or B) the Director had always planned to give her two AI. It's really just a matter of wether or not the Director planned ahead. for all we know she is South carolina, and the other Carolina died early so no one bothers with the 'south' part.
** Carolina is named in part for having two AI implanted according to WordOfGod. DC is also a Freelancer in the song, so Florida can still be missing and the math adds up.

* In a very early episode of the series, there are said to be 49 Freelancers; there should be 50, but [[NoodleIncident something happened to Agent Florida.]] Now, later in season 10, they say that something happened to Agent ''Georgia''. Did the creators forget the agent name and accidentally change it? And it couldn't just be two separate incidents, because if it was, then they would have said in the early episode that there were only 48 agents.
** You have the wrong way around. Something didn't happen to Agent Florida, something happened to ''Florida'' Florida, as in, the actual state. So there never was an Agent Florida, because the state didn't exist by the time the Freelancers came around. While Agent Georgia was just a poor sap who got horribly killed, kind of like Agent Utah.
*** Well, still, that would mean there'd be 49 Freelancers until something happened to Georgia, meaning technically there'd only be 48 Freelancers when the discussion I mentioned took place...if even that many, since for all we know other Freelancers could have died by then.
*** Remember that this conversation took place back way before the Freelancers had any serious plot meaning, they were just random mercenaries that weren't Red or Blue so its less they forgot and more of a retcon as the series progressed and we actually see more Freelancers besides Tex and Wyoming.
** The program started with 49 Freelancers, and [[spoiler: Church as Alpha has memories of those days, not the actual truth]]. Georgia and Utah were agents, but died during training. Not a PlotHole.
** All of the above is jossed to hell and back at the end of season 10.

* What was Tex's AI? I've heard her be called Allison, but Allison isn't a Greek letter, and all [=AIs=] are named after letters from the Greek alphabet, so what AI did she have?
** Tex had the AI Omega as her partner, but I believe you're asking what AI she was. We don't know if she was even assigned an AI name because of her special circumstance, but if she was she's likely Beta who was offhandedly mentioned by wash in season 6, I believe.
** I had actually been asking what AI had been her partner. I forgot she had been given Omega. Thanks though.
** Allison came into existence at the same time Alpha did. She probably doesn't have a Greek designation, as Season 10 doesn't include a Beta in the fragment list, and the Director was more attached to her.
*** Season 10 shows she is, in fact, Beta.

* On a note similar to my question above...there are 24 Greek letters, but 50[[note]]or 49, since there apparently is no Agent Florida[[/note]] Freelancers. How was that supposed to be divided up? Were Freelancers supposed to share [=AIs=]? Or were there [=AIs=] not given Greek letter names? It doesn't make sense for them to give some Freelancers [=AIs=] but not others.
** Yes, it does. Take South for example, she was never going to get an AI no matter what she believed as she was part of the test to see how jealous she could get. I doubt every agent would get an AI, plus when the AI were starting to be implanted, agents were already getting killed off (Georgia) so they probably didn't even have 49 freelancers when AI started showing up.
** They '''started''' with 49 Agents [[spoiler: 48 not counting Tex / Allison]]. Given the Director's methods, the leaderboard was probably just a method of determining who got AI, outside of specific experiments like North and South. We also know at least a couple Freelancers have already died, though others outside the main cast do seem to exist. The full compliment of Greek letters was never used anyways; there are only 8 fragments (discounting Alpha and [[spoiler: Tex]]).
*** 8 ''that we know of''. There may have been others (which could be interesting in the current season if it comes out that there's other fragments that weren't destroyed in the emp). However, it still stands that there likely were far fewer than 24.
*** No there are only 8 period: Season 10, Episode 6 shows Sigma creating the symbol for the Meta, not including Epsilon. The entire list of Greek letters is on the board when he does so, and only the known AI, plus Iota and Xi are listed (which incidentally was their debut of sorts). While Recovery One seems to suggest there are a minimum of 14 or so fragments, Rooster Teeth has been adamant about continuity being a loose hodge podge rather than hard and fast. Ergo, Seasons 9 and 10 take precedence over the other material. So if they only show 8, then there are only 8.
*** Just because they only had that many at that point in time doesn't mean there aren't more fragments harvested later. This is still several years before the blood gulch chronicles.
*** Epsilon has been said to be the last fragment; after his breakdown in Wash's head, nobody else got any implants. Then again, this was said while South was [[spoiler: trying to trick Wash, and she is part of a known experiment]], so it is possible. However, the Meta only had [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111011233002/rvb/images/thumb/d/da/Meta_and_his_A.I..png/1000px-Meta_and_his_A.I..png 6 AI at the time]] of their destruction, and the other two known ones (Alpha and Epsilon) are accounted for at that time. Unless the Meta's AI were wiped previously at some other point, that seems to indicate there are only 8 AI rather concretely.
*** Or there could be more Freelancers out there with AIs and the Meta hadn't managed to capture all of them. I don't think that's all that concrete.
*** Just rewatched Reconstruction... there's explicitly more AI. The Meta has 7 when the EMP goes off (including Tex), there's also Epsilon and Alpha. However, Wash mentions that there's multiple other AI still in storage at Freelancer HQ. Therefore, there are other fragments.

* While it's nice and all that Wash and the Blood Gulch crew seem to be gradually becoming friends, it's kind of spoiled by the fact that they still believe Donut is dead. Sure ''we'' may know the truth, but they don't. Even Wash himself, as far as we can tell, believe that he really did kill Donut. It just seems a little...cold.
** As far as we know they think he's dead. Sarge seemed a bit... off about it didn't he? It's possible sarge knows Donut isn't dead and is pretending for a tactical advantage or something. However if that does not end up being the case then yes, it's kinda cold but eh what are ya' gonna do? Donut is mostly gay jokes at this point anyway and RT's characterization has been lacking as of season 9.

* Been watching season 9 again and I'm wondering, how does York being part of the last episodes' mission fit with the trailer? The trailer seems to occur somewhere between episode 17 (Maine is injured) and episode 19 (where Wash is seen talking with CT, and the trailer shows he followed Maine to the medical facilities, so directly after said injuries occured, presumably). The thing is, York says this bit in the trailer about the docs "letting [him] out tomorrow"... while he obviously was already "out", with Wash and Maine even. So what does he mean with "out"? I mean, it can't be a mistake from, like, an early trailer made before the whole season was planned, in the same trailer you can see him driving the Warthog from episode 17 when everything goes south. And he can't be talking about some other wound he might have got during this mission, since he's replying to Wash's really unambiguous "How's your eye", implying he's been under medical surveillance since episode 10... So what's that all about?

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\n* Who is the soldier in blue armor who appears in the background of some scenes, such as the "planning the heist" scene? He/she was apparently considered important enough to appear on the Project Freelancer cover and DVD case.\n** He's probably a pilot, like Four Seven Niner. \n** In an AMA on Reddit, Burnie said we'll see more of him/her in Season 10. They could be just support personnel, but the fact that they're going to show up again does hint they could be more important--maybe another Freelancer, maybe another pilot (there were two Pelicans in the heist, after all, even if Four Seven Niner's total awesomeness overshadowed the other guy's actions).\n** I thought he was Church at first. Then I just went "meh" since, while he's unimportant, so are Wyoming and (ultimately) North. They're two of the least featured Freelancers of the season (North being almost a decoy protagonist)... maybe they'll do more next season, too.\n** WMG has the best theory ever, for it. It's Private Jimmy from Sidewinder. It wouldn't make sense to be another pilot because he's last seen riding in Four-Seven-Niner's Pelican.\n** Season 10 proves it's [[spoiler:Captain Flowers, aka Agent Florida]]. \n\n* The RvB wiki says York's first name is James. Is this officially confirmed anywhere? \n** It's on Wikipedia, which is where the RvB wiki got it from, but there's no reference on Wikipedia. My bet is that somebody just stuck it in there and no one ever noticed and took it down, because I've never seen any confirmation of it anywhere.\n\n* At the beginning of episode 19 of Revelation Wash tries to stab Tex with the memory unit and she knocks it out of his hands and almost off the cliff. He then yells "Be more careful, this thing cant take anymore hits." What bugs me is who is he yelling that at? If doesn't make sense for it to be Meta because he didn't have it and had no part in it getting knocked away. It makes even less sense to yell at Tex because she has every right to be knocking it away since Wash is trying to STAB her with it. It's entirely his fault but he seems to be yelling at someone, can anyone clarify this for me?\n** Wash is highly stressed and generally likes yelling at people for something they have no fault at.\n** I understand the stress part but I don't recall any time he yells at people for things they didn't do, except the incident with Donut. Even then Wash tends to be the one who is rational and calm, not the one who lashes out at others when he messes up, it all just seems too out of character to me.\n** I figured he was just warning the Meta to watch where/how he's attacking just in case he would accidentally hit the device. Not so much laying fault anywhere as just giving a heads up on the situation.\n** He was probably yelling at Tex. I've seen scenes in movies and such where a character will yell at the person they're fighting to be more careful with something, or to give something or back, or something else the person they're fighting very clearly isn't going to do. Usually it's just a person's instinct to say something like that.\n\n* Kind of a fandom headscratcher here, I guess. Namely, why do people constantly depict Washington in fanfics as being essentially a mean and cruel BloodKnight with an uncontrollable and inherent anger problem? Even when they're spot on with other people's characterizations. When IMHO it's clear he's basically the stereotypical hardened-but-still-a-good-guy generic by-the-book Special Agent hero popular in other stories, just transplanted into the demented [=RvB=] universe with all the results you'd expect. Borne out by his Season 9 portrayal where he has mostly the same personality but isn't hardened yet so he's much nicer and more naive instead of angry and bitter.\\\\nNot to say the guy isn't angry in the future, just that it's mostly justified considering both what happened to him and in having to deal with the Blood Gulch guys. I mean, he comes off as extremely controlled in being just a bit curt and snippy in reaction to the abuse and stupidity the BG guys heap on him (including Church saying he's ''glad Washington's comrades are being murdered'', for pity's sake).\\\\nEven when he goes off the deep end in Season 8, he still doesn't flip as much as he could have. He even keeps Doc around and alive even though he has no particular reason to, and is even ''polite'' to Doc. Despite Doc snarking at him constantly.\\\\nSo yeah. I don't get it.\n** That, my friend, is called RonTheDeathEater. Maybe it's something to do with shooting Lopez and Donut, and [[NeverLiveItDown not being able to live it down]].\n** It's the same reason why some people constantly want to pair him with South Dakota. They just don't truly understand the character.\n** Probably because some fanfic writers are... I don't know how else to put it, but... gullible? Superficial? That is pretty much the personality he's actively trying to cultivate. [[MinionWithAnFInEvil He's just not very good at it.]] Doc even lampshades it. \n\n* What happened to blue team's original Sargent?\n** The Blue Team's original sergeant was Captain Flowers who died of an aspirin overdose. It... sort of makes sense in context. See the middle of Season 3.\n*** Not overdose, allergy.\n*** You're both right. It was an allergy, but the "official" story that Command has is overdose. \n\n* In Recovery 1, Wash seems to be meeting Delta for the first time. But then in the first episode of Season 10, York says to Delta, "Have you been talking to Wash again?"\n** Delta likely hadn't seen Washington for years since the Epsilon breakdown. It's possible Delta was simply unsure if it was Wash when he first saw him. Especially considering the change in personality Wash had since the breakdown.\n** Alternately (and depressingly), Delta gets a memory wipe at some point between the prequel stuff and when he's recovered by Wash. Or his memories were screwed up by being shut down temporarily after York died.\n\n* Every time they talk about bathroom breaks or going to the bathroom. If they're using Mjolnir armor, then shouldn't they be catheterized?\n** RuleOfFunny.\n\n* I may have missed something describing this, so if so, please just tell me. All Freelancers are given agent names based on states in the USA. Keeping that in mind, look at North and South; North Dakota and South Dakota. The states they are named after have the same name, but with "north" or "south" added to it. Now, look at Carolina. Isn't there also a North Carolina and South Carolina? I can understand just calling her Carolina and not North or South, so she doesn't get confused with the Dakota twins, but shouldn't there be a second Carolina? I've only seen one, and no explanation as to where the other is.\n** One of the series' songs implies there's an Agent DC, so it may be there was only ever one Carolina, with Agent DC making up the difference.\n*** The song also mentions Puerto Rico (but immediately follows with "does that even count?"). \n** It's likely she's only called carolina because most people think she's either A) just that good or B) the Director had always planned to give her two AI. It's really just a matter of wether or not the Director planned ahead. for all we know she is South carolina, and the other Carolina died early so no one bothers with the 'south' part.\n** Carolina is named in part for having two AI implanted according to WordOfGod. DC is also a Freelancer in the song, so Florida can still be missing and the math adds up.\n\n* In a very early episode of the series, there are said to be 49 Freelancers; there should be 50, but [[NoodleIncident something happened to Agent Florida.]] Now, later in season 10, they say that something happened to Agent ''Georgia''. Did the creators forget the agent name and accidentally change it? And it couldn't just be two separate incidents, because if it was, then they would have said in the early episode that there were only 48 agents.\n** You have the wrong way around. Something didn't happen to Agent Florida, something happened to ''Florida'' Florida, as in, the actual state. So there never was an Agent Florida, because the state didn't exist by the time the Freelancers came around. While Agent Georgia was just a poor sap who got horribly killed, kind of like Agent Utah.\n*** Well, still, that would mean there'd be 49 Freelancers until something happened to Georgia, meaning technically there'd only be 48 Freelancers when the discussion I mentioned took place...if even that many, since for all we know other Freelancers could have died by then.\n*** Remember that this conversation took place back way before the Freelancers had any serious plot meaning, they were just random mercenaries that weren't Red or Blue so its less they forgot and more of a retcon as the series progressed and we actually see more Freelancers besides Tex and Wyoming.\n** The program started with 49 Freelancers, and [[spoiler: Church as Alpha has memories of those days, not the actual truth]]. Georgia and Utah were agents, but died during training. Not a PlotHole.\n** All of the above is jossed to hell and back at the end of season 10. \n\n* What was Tex's AI? I've heard her be called Allison, but Allison isn't a Greek letter, and all [=AIs=] are named after letters from the Greek alphabet, so what AI did she have?\n** Tex had the AI Omega as her partner, but I believe you're asking what AI she was. We don't know if she was even assigned an AI name because of her special circumstance, but if she was she's likely Beta who was offhandedly mentioned by wash in season 6, I believe.\n** I had actually been asking what AI had been her partner. I forgot she had been given Omega. Thanks though.\n** Allison came into existence at the same time Alpha did. She probably doesn't have a Greek designation, as Season 10 doesn't include a Beta in the fragment list, and the Director was more attached to her. \n*** Season 10 shows she is, in fact, Beta. \n\n* On a note similar to my question above...there are 24 Greek letters, but 50[[note]]or 49, since there apparently is no Agent Florida[[/note]] Freelancers. How was that supposed to be divided up? Were Freelancers supposed to share [=AIs=]? Or were there [=AIs=] not given Greek letter names? It doesn't make sense for them to give some Freelancers [=AIs=] but not others.\n** Yes, it does. Take South for example, she was never going to get an AI no matter what she believed as she was part of the test to see how jealous she could get. I doubt every agent would get an AI, plus when the AI were starting to be implanted, agents were already getting killed off (Georgia) so they probably didn't even have 49 freelancers when AI started showing up.\n** They '''started''' with 49 Agents [[spoiler: 48 not counting Tex / Allison]]. Given the Director's methods, the leaderboard was probably just a method of determining who got AI, outside of specific experiments like North and South. We also know at least a couple Freelancers have already died, though others outside the main cast do seem to exist. The full compliment of Greek letters was never used anyways; there are only 8 fragments (discounting Alpha and [[spoiler: Tex]]).\n*** 8 ''that we know of''. There may have been others (which could be interesting in the current season if it comes out that there's other fragments that weren't destroyed in the emp). However, it still stands that there likely were far fewer than 24.\n*** No there are only 8 period: Season 10, Episode 6 shows Sigma creating the symbol for the Meta, not including Epsilon. The entire list of Greek letters is on the board when he does so, and only the known AI, plus Iota and Xi are listed (which incidentally was their debut of sorts). While Recovery One seems to suggest there are a minimum of 14 or so fragments, Rooster Teeth has been adamant about continuity being a loose hodge podge rather than hard and fast. Ergo, Seasons 9 and 10 take precedence over the other material. So if they only show 8, then there are only 8. \n*** Just because they only had that many at that point in time doesn't mean there aren't more fragments harvested later. This is still several years before the blood gulch chronicles.\n*** Epsilon has been said to be the last fragment; after his breakdown in Wash's head, nobody else got any implants. Then again, this was said while South was [[spoiler: trying to trick Wash, and she is part of a known experiment]], so it is possible. However, the Meta only had [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111011233002/rvb/images/thumb/d/da/Meta_and_his_A.I..png/1000px-Meta_and_his_A.I..png 6 AI at the time]] of their destruction, and the other two known ones (Alpha and Epsilon) are accounted for at that time. Unless the Meta's AI were wiped previously at some other point, that seems to indicate there are only 8 AI rather concretely.\n*** Or there could be more Freelancers out there with AIs and the Meta hadn't managed to capture all of them. I don't think that's all that concrete. \n*** Just rewatched Reconstruction... there's explicitly more AI. The Meta has 7 when the EMP goes off (including Tex), there's also Epsilon and Alpha. However, Wash mentions that there's multiple other AI still in storage at Freelancer HQ. Therefore, there are other fragments. \n\n* While it's nice and all that Wash and the Blood Gulch crew seem to be gradually becoming friends, it's kind of spoiled by the fact that they still believe Donut is dead. Sure ''we'' may know the truth, but they don't. Even Wash himself, as far as we can tell, believe believes that he really did kill Donut. It just seems a little...cold.
** As far as we know they think he's dead. Sarge seemed a bit... off about it didn't he? It's possible sarge Sarge knows Donut isn't dead and is pretending for a tactical advantage or something. However if that does not end up being the case then yes, it's kinda cold but eh what are ya' gonna do? Donut is mostly gay jokes at this point anyway and RT's characterization has been lacking as of season 9.

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* Been watching season 9 again and I'm wondering, how How does York being part of the last episodes' mission fit with the trailer? The trailer seems to occur somewhere between episode 17 (Maine is injured) and episode 19 (where Wash is seen talking with CT, and the trailer shows he followed Maine to the medical facilities, so directly after said injuries occured, presumably). The thing is, York says this bit in the trailer about the docs "letting [him] out tomorrow"... while he obviously was already "out", with Wash and Maine even. So what does he mean with "out"? I mean, it can't be a mistake from, like, an early trailer made before the whole season was planned, in the same trailer you can see him driving the Warthog from episode 17 when everything goes south. And he can't be talking about some other wound he might have got during this mission, since he's replying to Wash's really unambiguous "How's your eye", implying he's been under medical surveillance since episode 10... So what's that all about?




* Is Theta officially announced to be Alpha's "empathy?" Because that itself is a headscratcher, since it seems like "child-like" and "empathetic" are being considered the same thing in Theta's case. Children aren't really the epitome of empathy.
** [[http://roosterteeth.com/news/entry.php?id=450102&page=1#repliesTop14924332 On the forums]] (click "See More"), Bernie said about Theta: "A common split personality manifestation is the child-like persona that the other personalities protect. I felt we had to have one in our group of fragments." But then someone posted that Matt and Shannon said somewhere that Theta was the Alpha's empathy, so, er, I dunno.
** I think it's less that "child-like" and "empathetic" are the same thing, and more that the empathetic fragment just happens to be very child-like. (Like how logic and dry humor aren't part-and-parcel with one another, but Delta has both in spades.)
** It was confirmed by Matt and Shanon during the freelancer panel of RTX. I'm not sure if the video is still up, but someone asked what Theta was to which Shanon answered empathy which was confirmed by Matt a second later.
** Season ten officially gives Theta's attribute as trust.



** There are a few possibilities. One could be that the guys haven't went back to Valhalla yet and Lina found them and forced them to turn right around and go get Epsilon (unlikely) or during the time the others were gone Donut returned to the previous job he was doing in season 6 with Tucker. He also could have went back to command. it's up in the air at the moment.
** I got the impression that the scene has since been decanonized as a sponsor-only one-off joke. They're far more hesitant to make mind-screw jokes (thank you Agent Nevada) and Sarge and Church in S10E1 talking about Donut's death would suggest a canon declaration that they aren't recognizing Donut being alive.
** Donut's VA still doesn't want to do the series on a regular basis. As long as that's the case, then he won't reappear. But if he does change his mind, then the scene can be used as a foot in the door for him to come back.
** I interpreted the scene as a way to basically keep Donut around. He may not be relevant or involved with the main story all the time, mainly because his VA doesn't work at RT, but they have a way to bring him back if they get the opportunity to.
** Episode 12 seems to confirm that the teams haven't been back to Valhalla yet. If he is alive, they wouldn't have run into him yet.
*** Does it confirm that? Because they "go home" at the end of season 8. Also, Sarge's dialogue at the beginning of season 10 suggests they were hanging out there, kicking ass with/getting their asses kicked by Wash, when Carolina found and recruited them. (And by "recruit", I of course mean "told them to come with or get shot in the face".)
** If the resurrection was canon, then Donut most likely just wandered off and everybody else just assumed he was still dead.



** Donut does show back up eventually, using the armor as a justification. However whether he'll be a recurring cast member or this is just an example of TheBusCameBack is yet to be shown.







* This is more of a Meta headscratcher but i keep hearing that Dan hates being donut/being associated with donut/working with RT, etc. But does anyone actually have a source for this info? i asked around on the forums and got nothing so I'm wondering if this is just a rumor.
** From what I understand, fame isn't really his thing.
** Yeah, the impression I got (at least from what I've come across) wasn't that he hates his role or RT, he's more just a ReclusiveArtist who isn't comfortable with the fan attention. He's also the only one who kept his day job, which also interferes sometimes. As much as I miss not getting more Donut as a result, I can't really blame the guy; fans can be weird, creepy, or even just overwhelming even if they're nice, so it takes a certain type to be able to deal with it. If it's not your thing, it's not your thing.



** also Wash may have been making a lame pun about Sigma.

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** also Wash may have been making a lame pun about Sigma.
Sigma.



** The "surgery" seems to consist of a small incision in the back of the neck. It's probably equivalent to having a mole removed. And since the AIs are hosted in the armor itself, having it on and active is probably a necessary part of the process. As for recovery, where better to recuperate than in a self-contained protective full-body suit that's already equipped with full life-support functions?
** The hair bugged me too, but hair is really friggin' hard to animate so I'm not going to complain about it.

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** The "surgery" seems to consist of a small incision in the back of the neck. It's probably equivalent to having a mole removed. And since the AIs are hosted in the armor itself, having it on and active is probably a necessary part of the process. As for recovery, where better to recuperate than in a self-contained protective full-body suit that's already equipped with full life-support functions?
** The hair bugged me too, but hair is really friggin' hard to animate so I'm not going to complain about it.
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* In Season 10 episode 15 we learn that Donut survived being shot by Wash because of the armor lock, which was released in the middle of season 8. Simmons asks why he survived bleeding out and we learn he was healed by Doc. However at that point in time Doc was with Wash and the Meta chasing Epsilon. How did Doc get back in time to save Donut? Even though he isn't in the last scene of Revelation and therefore left before the Reds and Blues he shouldn't have been able to get there before them. And if they though Donut was dead because they saw him after Revelation but before being recruited by Carolina, then why did Doc go to Valhalla and how was Donut still alive at least days later?

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\n* In Season 10 episode 15 we learn that Donut survived being shot by Wash because of the armor lock, which was released in the middle of season 8. Simmons asks why he survived bleeding out and we learn he was healed by Doc. However at that point in time Doc was with Wash and the Meta chasing Epsilon. How did Doc get back in time to save Donut? Even though he isn't in the last scene of Revelation and therefore left before the Reds and Blues he shouldn't have been able to get there before them. And if they though thought Donut was dead because they saw him after Revelation but before being recruited by Carolina, then why did Doc go to Valhalla and how was Donut still alive at least days later?



* Why was the Director so scared about [[spoiler:Agent Texas]]? We're talking someone who earlier in the season took on [[spoiler:three people, with live ammunition also involved]], without him being worried. Especially since [[spoiler:Carolina]] didn't want to [[spoiler:kill her]], just prove [[spoiler:she was better]].

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* Why was the Director so scared about [[spoiler:Agent Texas]]? Agent Texas? We're talking someone who earlier in the season took on [[spoiler:three three people, with live ammunition also involved]], involved, without him being worried. Especially since [[spoiler:Carolina]] Carolina didn't want to [[spoiler:kill her]], kill her, just prove [[spoiler:she she was better]].better.



** Give [[spoiler:One was his daughter, one was his lover]] he may simply not have been able to bear the idea of them in combat. He does have some feelings, after all.

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** Give [[spoiler:One Given one was his daughter, one was his lover]] lover, he may simply not have been able to bear the idea of them in combat. He does have some feelings, after all.



* Why is Church painted as the villain when he [[JerkassHasAPoint justifiably]] blows up on the Reds and Blues? Is he just supposed to accept that they're jerks to him and have directly hurt him in the past because they're his friends? He is asking a lot of them, and they're well within their rights to tell him off for that (Sarge quite rightly makes a point that he's not going to go get shot up for Carolina's sake), but the lecture being treated as Church's KickTheDog moment is completely true, if delivered angrily (though YMMV on the ultimate tone of his rant). And we're supposed to think he's in the wrong for it and should make up with them? That he should be the one to lower his expectations of them to not include them being shitty to him? That's not friendship, that's an abusive relationship.
** Yes! That's what I was thinking, too. The BGC are fully justified in not liking Carolina and what she wants them to do in specific, but IMHO Church was justified in ranting at them and being upset that they wouldn't help him at all.
** Hooooooo boy. First off, Church didn't ask them to help -- he just assumed they go along with whatever Carolina said. And what Carolina said was "You're going to throw yourselves at some bullets while Church and I follow through on a personal matter, which you have no stake in. Oh, and if you don't, ''I'll'' shoot you." From the guys' perspective, that would be the ''third'' time they've charged into danger on Church's behalf, and this time it's not remotely their idea.
** Second, while Church's ''anger'' was justifiable, his mode of expression was definitely not. No one's saying Church should be happy about all the times they've dicked him over; however, screaming abuse at them is not a healthy reaction in the slightest. There's also the point that, as mentioned, they've rescued him from certain death on more than one occasion, and done so at great personal risk. They're no longer the same guys who shot him in the head or put a bomb in his gut. They've changed. Church, however, is so wrapped up in his own suffering that he can't see that and can't make his own changes. Put bluntly, he's gone from being abused to being the abuser.
** I guess I've just personally experienced being bullied, then being treated like a monster for blowing up at the bullies, because I'm (IMHO unreasonably) expected to be nice to people bullying me, so it's kind of been a little too close to home seeing a similar scenario here. (And I'd note that one time he didn't even want to be rescued to begin with...)
*** If Church was just minding his own business, that would be the case, but as has been pointed out, half the people he wanted to intercept bullets for was on the opposite side of a (as it turned out, fake) war he was participating in. This isn't "ranting at people who have bullied you". This is "ranting at enemy soldiers because they don't want to die for you". It's that sense of entitlement that is problematic. This is you blowing up at the bullies even though part of the reason they were messing with you in the first place was because ''you were shooting at them'' and the only reason you ''didn't'' kill them was because you've got terrible aim, and despite this, have helped you numerous times risking life and limb on your behalf.
** So wait, it's a sense of entitlement to not be nice and sweet to people who've been absolute dicks to you? Again, Noble Victim Fallacy like whoa.
*** No, it's a sense of entitlement for you to expect them to ''take bullets for you'' even though the only reason you ''haven't'' killed them is because ''your aim sucks too much to do so''. Literally. Watch ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeZkZQFdGI&feature=BFa&list=EL2XwHUfRmVjM Red vs. Blue Reconstruction 4]]''. Church even doubles his efforts when he finds out it was Caboose.
*** He just expected them to help him deal with the Director. You make it sound like a plan with them taking bullets for him was the only one he would have entertained. And Caboose has killed him at least twice, among other issues. You make it sound ridiculously like he just randomly was mad at Caboose for no reason.
*** The thing is, you're making it sound like Church is merely a victim of a one-sided abusive relationship when he is every bit an active participant of a mutually abusive one. The 'bomb in my chest' complaint ignores the fact that he was an enemy combatant extorting robot bodies in exchange for prisoners and his 'got shot in the head' bit was when he was inside ''Sarge's'' head. He's got every right to make his complaints, but considering what he's done/tried to do to them, they've got every right to turn around and say 'fuck you, I don't have to take your shit, and I especially don't have to go on another crazy potential suicide mission on your behalf for something I don't even care about'.
*** No, I'm making it sound like he was a guy who was treated like dirt, and has every right to be angry and upset about it and rant at the people who treated him like dirt. They may have a right to rant right back at him, but that still doesn't make ''him'' a bad person for doing so like some folks here claim. Or that he should be obligated to forgive them, or pretend it didn't bother him. He's 100% right, they ''are'' the cause of most of his problems. Them being enemy soldiers, or what have you, doesn't magically wipe out that fact.
*** And if that's the case, then neither does it magically obligate ''them'' to deal with ''his'' problems. He's acting like them treating him like crap entitles him to their help, while ignoring the fact that he treats them like crap too. I'm not arguing that he's a bad guy, I'm arguing that you're understating Church's behavior toward everyone else. Yes, they treat him like dirt, but he treats them like dirt, so it's this vicious cycle, and considering they're only even here because Carolina conscripted them at gunpoint, they're just as likely to be pissed at the situation as he is.
*** Often in response to them treating him like crap, yes. Church is an angry misanthrope... but let's face it, he's got a reason to be. He didn't handle it well, but he's not the bad guy here. Nor is anyone else other than possibly Carolina, really. That's why I said I thought it'd be a ''mutual'' realization, that they all screwed up and maybe it's time to finally mutually bury the hatchet. Instead it comes off as Church is the only one who did anything wrong and should have to beg the forgiveness of people who treated him like dirt. It's like, "Wait, what?"
*** While he's got reason to be, it doesn't change the fact that his exploding at them is in the context of them not going on another crazy suicide mission, largely at the behest of Carolina, who has been dragging them along for the past week at gunpoint, heaps verbal abuse and threats on them, and occasionally shoots at them, and he's been making nice with her. She's probably the biggest reason they don't want to go (along with, 'they have no stake in it', and 'sounds like another suicide mission').
*** He just expected them to help him deal with the Director. You make it sound like a plan with them taking bullets for him was the only one he would have entertained.
*** They're a bunch of badly trained soldiers with terrible planning skills and he wants them to draw out as many enemy soldiers in what is likely a heavily fortified bunker meant to protect a man who has demonstrated a willingness to do whatever it takes to achieve his goals. It's not that Church wanted them to get shot at, it's that the only alternate plans anyone's offering is 'have Washington at their backs while they get shot at', which Carolina shot down, and 'GTFO', which Carolina almost literally shot down.
*** Believe me, I understand. I have literally been on every possible side of that situation. But those experiences are what inform my opinion that Church's reaction was both unhealthy and unreasonable. Again, no one's saying he has to be happy about what happened in the past -- but those things aren't happening anymore, and they've been more than atoned for. And even if they were still happening, blowing up like he did still wouldn't help anything. There's a world of difference between "You're a terrible person and I hope you die in a fire" and "I'm tired of your bullshit, so get on board or tormget out of the way".
*** I don't mean to be insensitive to your situation, but Church wasn't exactly bullied by the Blood Gulch guys. They were in a (pretend) ''war'' with each other. Why ''wouldn't'' they take every available chance to attack and sabotage the enemy? And if I recall correctly, Church gave as good as he got.
** I would disagree. While these are the same people who saved him from death, it wasn't their idea to do so. It was yet another example of them being forced into something, while Church just gets yanked along as a CosmicPlaything. Nobody is gonna disagree that Church and Carolina's plan was shitty to the Reds and Blues but that doesn't obviate the fact that his anger is pretty justifiable. As far as issues go though, this is a guy who's birth began with torture, and just a few episodes ago talked Carolina into letting go of the past with Tex. He's clearly capable of letting go of the past. Perhaps it's due to no facial emoting or the at times limited range of the voice actors, but aside from Grif (who comes across as convincingly pissed), everyone else just seems (to me, obviously YMMV) more annoyed than hurt, and that turns the emotional context of it around, from less of someone unwilling to acknowledge CharacterDevelopment as someone else tired of dealing with people who continually and intentionally aggravate him. Obviously whenever you interpret an emotional scene like that, a lot of it is going to be inferred context due to the limitations of the format and personal history. JerkassHasAPoint at the minimum here though.
*** Except... The part where they were "forced into" rescuing Church: I think Episode 18 is an excellent example of how no one ''really'' forces the Reds to do anything. Sarge even said "busting into a military base on a rescue mission is a lot of fun." (Go Reds!) ''Besides,'' even if they were coerced into saving Church, the fact still remains that their lives were risked because of him.
*** Screaming "You're all just problems I have to deal with!" isn't JerkassHasAPoint, though. It's just straight-up {{Jerkass}}. The alternate title for this episode could easily be "Could've Handled That One Better".
*** He could have, yes, but that doesn't mean he was wrong to not do so and have a, well, "human" reaction. It's not reasonable to expect people who are justifiably angry and upset to simply toss it aside and be nice. I'm dubbing it the Noble Victim Fallacy.
** Um... since when is Church a "villain?" It's been noted that he was [[KickTheDog a jerk]], but no one's saying he's evil or anything. Besides, all the things he listed in that rant happened during the Red vs Blue "war." No one's obligated to be nice to each other during a ''war''. Actually, ever since Reconstruction (or as early as Season 3 if you wanna count the Omega incident), as soon as the guys had common ground, they've teamed up and supported each other. In season 9, they even banded together to ''protect'' Church. In season 10, they risked their lives to rescue him. I've said it before, it's not "how could you say such things, Church" it's "how could you continue to hold these things against us after all we've been through together?"
*** You're forgetting that Tucker, Caboose, and Wash were included into that equation. You're also forgetting that Church was unconscious or otherwise not present for a lot of those revelations; we as the audience have knowledge he doesn't. And that Church didn't even want to be rescued in Season 10 to begin with.\\
The guy's been through a lot, and now that he's finally on the verge of getting some closure... everyone's abandoning him. It would be abnormal if he didn't finally snap and go off. This rant has been a lot time coming for Church.\\
This kind of reminds me of my query above about Washington being painted as a villain, too, now that I think of it. I think we get so used to laughing at the BGC's casual jerkassery that we forget the series is switching to showing how people would react if they really had to deal with it.
** I guess my thing with Church is, should he ideally let it all go? Yes. But is he obligated to, in the sense of being a horrible person or even deserving criticism if he doesn't? Nope. You're never obligated to be nice to people who treated you poorly, especially when you consider most of the times they treated him decently he either didn't know about or didn't want for whatever reason so you can't even claim that. The FridgeLogic just doesn't work.\\
Maybe he'll learn to let it go, for his own sake, but the dude isn't in the wrong for being angry and upset.
** Seriously, ''any'' of the guys had good reason to rant at each and one of the others. Sarge: "You possessed my body without permission, caused me to get shot in the head, spit on my visor, stole my robot and caused him to turn against me, and didn't even have the good grace to kill Grif during the whole war!" Grif: "I routinely get pulverized by my own team, humiliated by the Blues, been run over, been demoted, been to prison, and Tucker slept with my sister!" Wash: "Don't even get me started..." And they ''do'' bitch and moan at each other. But Church said it with ''conviction''. It's the difference between siblings saying "you suck, asshole!" and saying "I hate you," while being utterly serious.
** It was probably more a whole not what he said but how he said it situation. Church bitching at them about how they ruined his life is nothing new, Church getting huge and calling them out on every little detail with conviction, perhaps being right actually in most cases, and also being more than just pissed off but actually angry is another thing. However on the whole Church being seen as a villain thing, I don't think he was ever portrayed that way, just too angry to control what and how he was talking to his friends. Even if he was right in what he was saying it doesn't mean he was right in what he said.
** People who do think Church is a villain for what he said seem to overlook the fact that he would have probably on their side a few hours ago, since he gave Carolina the advice on how terrible it is to be chasing ghosts forever, but something a few minutes ago changed that. Church remembers everything now, everything torture situation that the Alpha was put through, what drove Epsilon insane when he was first in Washington, it's understandable that he is really angry, but more than anything he's most likely having a mental breakdown and lashing out in anger from what he perceived as his friends abandoning him was the last straw and broke the camel's back.
** So, to summarize: Did Church cross a line? YES. Is he an unforgivable asshole who deserves to be hated? NO. Do we still love him? '''YES'''! (sound good?)
*** I like it.



*** Nah, couldn't be. [[BlatantLies Nobody ever lies in Project Freelancer.]]



** Tex would have no reason to mention Agent Maine to the Blood Gulch crew. He wasn't involved in any of the events they were and would have no reason to go, "Oh by the way Agent Maine has gone crazy and is stealing AI's. Just thought you should know that." As for the agents, this is Project Freelancer. They never tell anyone anything. Remember in Season 9, they refused to give information about the Sarcophagus despite knowing what they were after, which complicated the mission greatly. They operate on the strictest need to know basis and don't tell anything that could put them at risk or cause any type of information leak. Even if it put the agents in great danger The Director won't tell them anything.

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** Tex would have no reason to mention Agent Maine to the Blood Gulch crew. He wasn't involved in any of the events they were and would have no reason to go, "Oh "Oh, by the way way, Agent Maine has gone crazy and is stealing AI's. Just thought you should know that." As for the agents, this is Project Freelancer. They never tell anyone anything. Remember in Season 9, they refused to give information about the Sarcophagus despite knowing what they were after, which complicated the mission greatly. They operate on the strictest need to know basis and don't tell anything that could put them at risk or cause any type of information leak. Even if it put the agents in great danger The Director won't tell them anything.



*** By the time of Reconstruction, it sounded like they were 75% sure it was him, but lacked confirmation until he was wounded and his recovery beacon went off.

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*** ** By the time of Reconstruction, it sounded like they were 75% sure it was him, but lacked confirmation until he was wounded and his recovery beacon went off.
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** I can't speak for York, but as for North ... he's a smart guy, he's observant and he knows his sister better than she knows herself. Tex spent this season becoming less and less of a psycho bitch, while South has been hurtling headlong in the other direction. Therefore, his decision may have been based less on Tex's behavior and more on South's -- he saw a chance to [[{{Understatement}} pull her aside and have a heart-to-heart]], and he took it.

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** I can't speak for York, but as for North ... he's a smart guy, he's observant and he knows his sister better than she knows herself. Tex spent this season becoming less and less of a psycho bitch, while South has been hurtling headlong in the other direction. Therefore, his decision may have been based less on Tex's behavior and more on South's -- he saw a chance to [[{{Understatement}} pull her aside and have a heart-to-heart]], heart-to-heart, and he took it.



** Yeah, I guess a lot of stuff ''could'' have happened between then and now, but the thing is, we don't see any of it. I guess what really bugs me is York. He went from being Carolina's loyal supporter to her rival's partner in crime with ''nothing in between.'' His whole "come with us, we can help you, blah blah" speech to her in Episode 19 seems so... shallow? I mean, why ''would'' she listen to him? For all she knows, he defected from the Project, betrayed her on an emotional and professional level by teaming up with Tex, waltzed right back as an enemy, and then expects her to follow him because he said so. ''I'' sure as hell wouldn't be in a hurry to fall into his arms. Did he show her any evidence that PF was crooked? Did he try to convince her to join them before, but she refused? Did he even voice his concerns about the nature of the AI's to anyone but his bros? I realize long drawn-out drama scenes take up too much time, but a simple "I've tried to convince you before, and I'll do it again," or a "I've shown you the evidence and you wouldn't believe me, so you've left me no choice," during that conversation would've more than sufficed.
*** Just because he has romantic feelings for Carolina doesn't necessarily mean he has to be fanatically loyal to her. It doesn't take a genius to see that PF's policies are slowly turning Carolina into a psychotic bitch like South. Not to mention all the previous drama such as the AI incidents could have further shaken his beliefs in PF's purpose.
*** But the thing is, he was loyal enough to risk fighting her to take her away, but somehow not loyal enough to ''give her a good reason.'' That whole heartfelt conversation in the elevator was heartbreaking, but it seemed so pointless. After "come with me, we can help you, trust me, blah blah" my first reaction was "Um... why?" Like I said before, we don't see him ever explain himself or show her evidence, or even try to convince her while ''not in the middle of an exploding elevator''. That goes for Tex too. She's the one with the data files. Does she share with the class? Nope, it's "you can't beat me neener neener... but you can join me." What kind of reaction was she expecting?
*** "Hey Director, can we put the fight on hold while I give a four-part presentation with slides and charts? Thanks babe, you're a peach." Seriously, there wasn't time. "Trust me" translates here to "I promise I'll explain everything when I'm not being shot at." Plus, when your arch-rival says your beloved leader is actually a villain -- and she knows this through a traitor you killed together -- there's really no way to express that well in a short amount of time. Any explanation short enough to fit the schedule would be far too short to be convincing.
*** It's not that he didn't give a good explanation at that very moment. It's that we see ''nothing'' of York's transition from "loyal cuddlebug" to "ship-destroying defector." And because we don't see ''anything'' of that transition, and what he did during the time between Episodes 17 and 19, it's as if he just hooked up with Tex and left Carolina behind without so much as a "KTHXBAI," then walzted right back in and expected her to follow him just cuz. Again, a simple retroactive allusion would've been just fine. "Hey honey, you know all that stuff I said to you before I did all that other stuff, to make you believe me about that other stuff? Do you still not believe me about that stuff? Ok... then you leave me no choice. Let's rumble."
*** Okay, about the "loyal cuddlebug" thing -- he was still loyal to Carolina. That's why he tried to talk to her instead of just bringing the beatdown. ''Carolina'' is the one whose loyalties changed -- York was no longer loyal to the Director, so she was no longer loyal to him. Also, I get the feeling he left before she woke up, and this was the first he'd seen her since the Allison Incident.
*** But... that's the whole problem! If this ''is'' the first time he's seen her since the implantation, then she'd have absolutely ''no'' reason to trust or believe him! From her perspective, he stabbed them all in the back! Her angry/hurt "Why are you helping her?" was completely genuine. If that's the case, then how did he ''expect'' her to react? And the most vexing part? He ''doesn't even answer her question!'' And the second most vexing part? We're supposed to believe that he genuinely tried to save her and she was the TragicHero who refused to be saved.... when his attempt to convince her was the worst case of PoorCommunicationKills ''ever''. Of all time.
*** Actually, someone on the main page said it best: PoorCommunicationKills. Instead of making vague, nonsensical comments for her to trust them, ''both'' Tex and York could've said "Hey, the Director's a huge liar who lies. We've got hard evidence that proves it." Whether or not she'd listen is another matter, but at they at least could've given her ''that much.''
*** Or maybe deep down, they knew that whatever they said to Carolina wouldn't work. It would be Tex's word against the Director's, and Carolina trusts the Director far more than Tex.
*** ''But'', there's a difference between "She ''didn't listen''" and "She ''wouldn't have listened.''" Which is where the Headscratcher comes in. The series, especially Episode 12, is making it seem like Carolina refused to listen to reason, letting her pride bring about her own downfall. Which is fine, ''but'' in the penultimate scene in Episode 19, that's not how it really went down.
*** See, it makes sense that she didn't immediately trust him, but it ''also'' makes sense that she should've known better than to think York was a traitor out of the blue. Seriously, think about it - she looked to him as a friend and equal, and probably some level of love interest. Isn't it weird that she didn't think, "Well, he knows how I feel about this Tex bitch, and he's not the kind of person to just turn on his comrades like this without a REALLY good reason. Maybe I ought to hear him out." And really, she probably would have had those exact thoughts - if she weren't blinded by the green haze of envy at that particular moment.









*** Perhap's Vic is running off outdated information. He doesn't seem to operate with much oversight, and he is an AI, so maybe he's gone rampant without someone watching over him. He realises that Tex is in the area, decides to contact her, she goes along with it to get close to Church and keep an eye on him. Or maybe Omega just wanted her to kill everything.




* What is with [[spoiler:Omega suddenly reappearing as the VoiceOfTheLegion]]? Is this a case of BackFromTheDead or just an echo?

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\n* What is with [[spoiler:Omega Omega suddenly reappearing as the VoiceOfTheLegion]]? VoiceOfTheLegion? Is this a case of BackFromTheDead or just an echo?



** The newest episode (21) heavily implies taht the Director fragmented Tex just as he did to Alpha in an attempt to get her right. Omega just spawned fro ma torture scenario. In fact, judging by the performance of the Tex bots, he's not even close to the original quality.

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** The newest episode (21) Episode 21 heavily implies taht the Director fragmented Tex just as he did to Alpha in an attempt to get her right. Omega just spawned fro ma from a torture scenario. In fact, judging by the performance of the Tex bots, he's not even close to the original quality. \n



** Dammit, we've been over this. It's not stated outright, but it was heavily implied that Tex and York took off before Carolina woke up (or at least, soon enough after that there wasn't time to try and speak to her). Besides, if your greatest rival -- the one who drives you to irrational, almost insane measures in your attempts to beat her -- tried to show you files (that she got from a dead traitor) saying your leader/mentor/father figure is actually a villain, ''would you listen?'' Or would you rat her out to the higher-ups and ruin all her plans? Tex knew which choice Carolina would have made. "Useful", as you defined it, simply wasn't an option. End of story.
*** And before someone says "Why couldn't York do the explaining?", I repeat: It's not just the Who that makes the situation problematic. It's the What and the Where and the Why. And the How. ''And'' the When. Basically, there's just no way Carolina would have listened.

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** Dammit, we've been over this. It's not stated outright, but it was heavily implied that Tex and York took off before Carolina woke up (or at least, soon enough after that there wasn't time to try and speak to her). Besides, if your greatest rival -- the one who drives you to irrational, almost insane measures in your attempts to beat her -- tried to show you files (that she got from a dead traitor) saying your leader/mentor/father figure is actually a villain, ''would you listen?'' Or would you rat her out to the higher-ups and ruin all her plans? Tex knew which choice Carolina would have made. "Useful", as you defined it, simply wasn't an option. End of story. \n*** And before someone says "Why couldn't York do the explaining?", I repeat: It's not just the Who that makes the situation problematic. It's the What and the Where and the Why. And the How. ''And'' the When. Basically, there's just no way Carolina would have listened.






** Maybe in the future, if you eat enough Fruit Roll-Ups they give you a voucher for a real tattoo? And it comes with the design like the lick-and-sticks, but you have to have your parents sign the permission slip first. Or, you know, just growl a lot.




* So by this point, I feel confident asking: Just what the heck ''did'' happen to Washington? So far, there's been no connection between the loveable cuddly naif in the flashbacks and the not-quite-as-grim-as-he-used-to-be antihero in the present day. Unless something's going to happen in the last episode of the season (or at least gives us a hint that there's more flashbacky goodness to come at some point), it seems incomplete.

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\n* So by this point, I feel confident asking: Just what the heck ''did'' happen to Washington? So far, there's been no connection between the loveable cuddly naif in the flashbacks and the not-quite-as-grim-as-he-used-to-be antihero in the present day. Unless something's going to happen in the last episode of the season (or at least gives us a hint that there's more flashbacky goodness to come at some point), it seems incomplete.



*** That's exactly what I mean. Sifting through those memories seems like too important a piece of character development to leave off-screen. I'll be unpleasantly surprised if we don't see at least a hint of it during the last episode. Otherwise, Wash's on-screen chronology will go straight from "a little confused but otherwise fine" to "Recovery One". It feels like there should be a middle step between those two.
*** He's also yet to see Project Freelancer completely fall apart, which could be what also triggers his aloofness because similar to Carolina, he becomes conditioned not to trust any of his squadmates.
*** You're probably better off waiting until the season ends, or waiting until next season. I know RT said the prequel would end in season 10, but they say a lot of things.
*** Yeah, I know. *closes eyes and claps hands* I ''do'' believe in Roosterteeth! I ''do'' believe in Roosterteeth! I ''do'' believe in Roosterteeth!

* It's pretty clear that, as of S10E21 Carolina has a SuperSpeed upgrade but... how? Did Maine not take her upgrade(s) when he took her AIs? If so, then where did he get the Camouflage upgrade?

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*** That's exactly what I mean. Sifting through those memories seems like too important a piece of character development to leave off-screen. I'll be unpleasantly surprised if we don't see at least a hint of it during the last episode. Otherwise, Wash's on-screen chronology will go straight from "a little confused but otherwise fine" to "Recovery One". It feels like there should be a middle step between those two.
***
** He's also yet to see Project Freelancer completely fall apart, which could be what also triggers his aloofness because similar to Carolina, he becomes conditioned not to trust any of his squadmates.
*** You're probably better off waiting until the season ends, or waiting until next season. I know RT said the prequel would end in season 10, but they say a lot of things.
*** Yeah, I know. *closes eyes and claps hands* I ''do'' believe in Roosterteeth! I ''do'' believe in Roosterteeth! I ''do'' believe in Roosterteeth!

* It's pretty clear that, as of S10E21 Carolina has a SuperSpeed upgrade but... how? Did Maine not take her upgrade(s) upgrades when he took her AIs? If so, then where did he get the Camouflage upgrade?



** Also remember that Tex had camouflage at one point too, it's possible that Meta looted it off her corpse when he took Tex herself way back in the beginning of season 6 and that Carolina had nothing to do with it.
** Tex had Camouflage? I only remember her having Invisibility (which is different).
*** Camouflage and invisibility have very little differences, I noticed. If we want to be really specific, Meta had Tex's invisibility, it wasn't camouflage. Church even yelled "that thing can go invisible!?" back in season 6 and it's possible that taking armor enhancements wasn't a thing Meta wanted to do until later.
*** They're... really different. And it's clear that he does have Camouflage, not just Invisibility. So it's entirely possible that he took them both and she just got another SuperSpeed, he didn't take either and got another Camouflage from someone else he killed, or, for some unfathomable reason he just took Camouflage.
*** Given Maine's [[TheJuggernaut nature and style of fighting]], he may have felt super speed to be unnecessary or even counter-productive.
*** ... and Camouflage is? But I do think it's entirely possible that the Meta simply hadn't decided to take equipment yet (Sigma only seemed obsessed with getting AIs, and probably only decided to add equipment to make this easier), and he just got a Camouflage from someone else.
*** Texas has invisibility/Camouflage; Carolina has "[[FanNickname Chameleon,]]" which lets the user change the color of their armor (The Meta used it to impersonate a Blue Team soldier in Season Six, Carolina used it to blend in with the walls and Insurrectionist Troopers in Season Nine). It's another one of those subtle AlwaysSecondBest comparisons between her and Tex.

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** Also remember that Tex had camouflage at one point too, it's possible that Meta looted it off her corpse when he took Tex herself way back in the beginning of season 6 and that Carolina had nothing to do with it.
** Tex had Camouflage? I only remember her having Invisibility (which is different).
*** Camouflage and invisibility have very little differences, I noticed. If we want to be really specific, Meta had Tex's invisibility, it wasn't camouflage. Church even yelled "that thing can go invisible!?" back in season 6 and it's possible that taking armor enhancements wasn't a thing Meta wanted to do until later.
*** They're... really different. And it's clear that he does have Camouflage, not just Invisibility. So it's entirely possible that he took them both and she just got another SuperSpeed, he didn't take either and got another Camouflage from someone else he killed, or, for some unfathomable reason he just took Camouflage.
***
Given Maine's [[TheJuggernaut nature and style of fighting]], he may have felt super speed to be unnecessary or even counter-productive.
*** ... and Camouflage is? But I do think it's entirely possible that the Meta simply hadn't decided to take equipment yet (Sigma only seemed obsessed with getting AIs, and probably only decided to add equipment to make this easier), and he just got a Camouflage from someone else.
*** Texas has invisibility/Camouflage; Carolina has "[[FanNickname Chameleon,]]" which lets the user change the color of their armor (The Meta used it to impersonate a Blue Team soldier in Season Six, Carolina used it to blend in with the walls and Insurrectionist Troopers in Season Nine). It's another one of those subtle AlwaysSecondBest comparisons between her and Tex.
counter-productive.




* Don't know if this technically counts as a Headscratcher, but, with some of the revelations in the last ep of Season 10, thinking about [[spoiler:all the dynamics between the [=AIs=], Tex, and Carolina now makes my head hurt. (Also: is she Theta's "sister"?) Her flirting with Church and some of the flirty overtones of the way she acted towards the Director doesn't help either.]]
** In light of TheReveal, Carolina's relationship with the Director becomes less "flirty" and more "[[spoiler:Daddy]], will you ''please'' pay attention to me?" As for Epsilon, everyone considers him a separate entity, so that doesn't really make much difference.

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\n* Don't know if this technically counts as a Headscratcher, but, with some of the revelations in the last ep of Season 10, thinking about [[spoiler:all all the dynamics between the [=AIs=], Tex, and Carolina now makes my head hurt. (Also: is she Theta's "sister"?) Her flirting with Church and some of the flirty overtones of the way she acted towards the Director doesn't help either.]]
either.
** In light of TheReveal, Carolina's relationship with the Director becomes less "flirty" and more "[[spoiler:Daddy]], "Daddy, will you ''please'' pay attention to me?" As for Epsilon, everyone considers him a separate entity, so that doesn't really make much difference.
difference.










* Ok, now that the season is over and I know there isn't going to be anything else revealed about the Freelancers: ''Why'' exactly does Connie consider Tex her "friend?" ''Why'' does she trust Tex the most, enough to leave behind the files to no one else but her? We never even see them interact! And if CT knew what Tex was, wouldn't she trust her the ''least''?

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\n* Ok, now that the season is over and I know there isn't going to be anything else revealed about the Freelancers: ''Why'' exactly does Connie consider Tex her "friend?" ''Why'' does she trust Tex the most, enough to leave behind the files to no one else but her? We never even see them interact! And if CT knew what Tex was, wouldn't she trust her the ''least''?




* Am I the only one hugely unsatisfied with the way we left North and South? I wanna know what happened! And how that led to the post-mortem scene in Recovery 1!
** WordOfGod is that they didn't answer absolutely everything in seasons 9-10 because they wanted to leave room for future stories. North and South is probably one of those.
** The post-mortem scene in Recovery 1 was years later... I couldn't reasonably expect them to introduce a third time period just to cover one NoodleIncident.
*** Well, that's why God made [[{{Exposition}} so many types of plot exposition]]. They've got options.
*** Face it, it's a straight up SequelHook. Either way, we [[ForegoneConclusion already know how it ends]].
** According to the main page, there's a [[TheStinger Stinger]] for people who sit through the credits on Blue-Ray that shows North complementing South on their fight. God only knows if non-blue ray users will ever see it, though.



*** [[spoiler:We see a UNSC dock for spaceships. A green armored guy with a jet pack careens through space. We discover from his rather casual conversion with Agent Utah after he collides with a station window that he's Agent Georgia.]]
*** [[spoiler:Doc packs for the trip, but took too long and was left in Valhalla. The pilots whom the BGC stole the planes from don't seem to have a problem with him, so he'll be fine.]]
*** [[spoiler:North carries South out of Freelancer command, complementing her on their fight. They resolve to keep an eye out for each other, which we know won't work out.]]
*** [[spoiler:Carolina walks back into Club Errera. She's actually out of her armor, so we don't know where Church is.]]
*** [[spoiler:The live action Allison clip.]] This one also plays after the credits of episode 22 on the website.
** Are any of these on the regular DVD?
*** Yes.
*** Yay! *starts throwing money*
*** Indeed. Is it sad I want it just for [[spoiler:the North/South scene? North is so sweet (as much as anyone in [=RvB=] can be) it's almost painful]].

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*** [[spoiler:We We see a UNSC dock for spaceships. A green armored guy with a jet pack careens through space. We discover from his rather casual conversion with Agent Utah after he collides with a station window that he's Agent Georgia.]]
Georgia.
*** [[spoiler:Doc Doc packs for the trip, but took too long and was left in Valhalla. The pilots whom the BGC stole the planes from don't seem to have a problem with him, so he'll be fine.]]
fine.
*** [[spoiler:North North carries South out of Freelancer command, complementing complimenting her on their fight. They resolve to keep an eye out for each other, which we know won't work out.]]
out.
*** [[spoiler:Carolina Carolina walks back into Club Errera. She's actually out of her armor, so we don't know where Church is.]]
is.
*** [[spoiler:The The live action Allison clip.]] clip. This one also plays after the credits of episode 22 on the website.
** Are any of these on the regular DVD?
*** Yes.
*** Yay! *starts throwing money*
*** Indeed. Is it sad I want it just for [[spoiler:the North/South scene? North is so sweet (as much as anyone in [=RvB=] can be) it's almost painful]].
website.



** yes, yes it would. However; RT pretty pretty much flat out stated that Wyoming is nothing more than a joke character to them so even when he is doing something important, it's going to end up being a joke in the long run.

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** yes, Yes, yes it would. However; RT pretty pretty much flat out stated that Wyoming is nothing more than a joke character to them so even when he is doing something important, it's going to end up being a joke in the long run.



* Why is Conneticut portrayed as a good character, and Tex is portrayed as bad/psychotic to kill her? Even with the hindsight of CT being a a good guy who was trying to put the Director away, it doesn't change that by that point, CT had tried to kill all the freelancer agents (or ally herself with people who were trying to kill them, which is just as bad).
** CT was trying to get away and minimize casualties on both sides. Tex was in the opposite frame of mind.
* When the AI's are all freaking out at the mention of "Allison" the engineer starts rocking a screeching inside the sarcophagus, why would it? It's not linked to the AIs any more.
* Why did the Director laud Wyoming and Maine for using live ammo against Tex? Leaving aside the fact that it's a serious OutOfCharacterMoment for him, given how protective he is of Tex. More saliently though...what exactly is the supposed advantage in using live ammo, beyond petty spite?
** "No rules on the battlefield," I suppose. Or, maybe he thought that Wyoming and Maine weren't a real problem to Tex, given she had a more aggressive AI than them. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he only freak out when Carolina and Tex were about to fight? He probably knew that, with two AI, Carolina was a bigger threat to Tex than Wyoming and Maine were.
** That kind of makes sense, but my problem was more that there's no discernible tactical advantage to using the live rounds- like, it doesn't actually help them ''win'', so I don't understand what he means by there not being any rules on the battlefield. Also, IDK, I can't see how an impromptu live-fire exercise is less dangerous then a physical sparring match. (This is WildMassGuessing but maybe, MAYBE it'd make sense if he was actually worried about Carolina and her real name is Allison)
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** they probably found it in the base or stole it when they were leaving the Director's hideout and just didn't put it on until later. i wouldn't think too hard about it.

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** they They probably found it in the base or stole it when they were leaving the Director's hideout and just didn't put it on until later. i wouldn't think too hard about it.



* Why is the second verse in Now That We've Come So Far in Japanese? I can't think of a single reason.
** [[GratuitousJapanese Because it's]] [[RuleOfCool cool like that]].
*** This troper cannot think of a single cool reason for that.
* Why is Rooster Teeth making a Season 11? Everything's been wrapped up in a way that every still living character has a satisfying conclusion, and the only plot holes left are nitpicks that can be explained through example of RuleOfFunny, RuleOfCool, or [[UnreliableNarrator sketchy info source]]. Any sequel they make would really come off more as a spin-off or cash-in rather than a conclusion, like with what happened to the VideoGame/MegaManX series.
** The main reason is because people keep wanting it. Although there are some loose threads, mostly concerning the often overlooked season 7 and insurrectionist activity. They'll either go back to that or turn it into the carolina and epsilon show.
** Just because they wrapped up the current plot arc doesn't mean they can't start a new one. They spent the last five seasons digging into the past; why not spend the next five investigating the future? There's all kinds of places they could go from here.
** Exactly. As Burnie has said time and time again, if we keep watching it, they'll keep making it. Though RvB has taken a turn for the "awesome" in recent years, it's not some pristine artistic endeavor to just be finished up and sit. The RT staff have fun making it, and will probably continue to do so for a long time to come.
** Why'd they make a season 6? Season 5 had a pretty well wrapped up ending--the villains were all (sort of) dead, the status quo had been regained, there was nowhere else to go. The answer is that there really ''was'' more story to tell and there really ''were'' more questions to answer (especially about Tex/Church's natures and the Freelancers); similarly, at the end of season 10, although seasons 6 through 10 have been wrapped up, we still have many questions left unanswered about the Fauxurrectionists/Charon Industries, the aliens, the artifacts, and who knows what else!
*** I'd say that's a bit different. Season 5 ended with the cliffhanger of what really happened to Tex along with several new story elements being introduced at the very end (like the implication that the drama at Blood Gulch was far bigger than any of the main characters knew). Season 10 on the other hand, wrapped up things pretty well; we got a satisfying resolution to the story of Tex, all heroes and villains accounted for, etc. Having said that though, I can definitely see RT taking the story elsewhere. They still have the alien subplot that never really got resolved, and there's about 20-30 unaccounted for Freelancer Agents out there somewhere (assuming they used all 50 states, which it's possible they didn't since they didn't use all the Greek letters).
** Why wouldn't they? RvB pretty much made them famous, they seem to enjoy making it, and people are still watching it and clamoring for more.
* If Church is based off the Director, why do they sound nothing alike?
** Probably to make him easier for the Director to work with. It'd be weird if the sentient computer you used every day sounded exactly like you.
* Why is Conneticut portrayed as a good character, and Tex is portrayed as bad/psychotic to kill her? Even with the hindsight of CT being a a good guy who was trying to put the Director away, it doesn't change that by that point, CT had tried to kill all the freelancer agents (or ally herself with people who were trying to kill them, which is just as bad).
** CT was trying to get away and minimize casualties on both sides. Tex was in the opposite frame of mind.
* Just what the hell is the Director's motive for everything? During season 6, it seems he wants more AI for legitimate military reasons for purpose of saving humanity from the Covenant (admirable, if morally gray). However, during season 10, it's strongly implied that the Director was actually more concerned in trying to bring Allison back to life. That makes no sense though. How does driving the Alpha insane and making a whole bunch of different AI from him affect bringing Allison back? In addition, if his goal was that he wanted Allison back he more or less had that right off the bat when Tex (or Beta) showed up.
** I don't think bringing back Alison was his one goal in all of his life. He did indeed want to protect humanity against the Covenant. In the season six finale he mentions that he never had the chance to serve as a soldier and I think, in some ways, he kind of regretted that. Especially considering he probably always compared himself to Alison, who presumably was just as good a soldier as Tex was. He also said in the finale, that his memories of Alison have become more painful as he's grown older, so he may have been able to put the thought to one side, at least for a time. Also remember in season eight, when Epsilon remarks that he couldn't get Tex out of his head, so he literally had to create a new version of her. Maybe once the Director had created Beta, he was able to put it behind him and focus on Project Freelancer. Once Tex went rogue, he couldn't stop thinking about her again and had to make a new A.I of her. Torturing the Alpha to make fragments was less about recreating Tex and more about trying to equip his Freelancers as much as possible.
* At the end of Season 10, we see Church and Carolina standing over the same valley in Season 11, watching the Reds and Blues. Carolina then says she's taking off for some new adventures. If it's the same valley, then that means Carolina was shipwrecked along with Wash and co while being shipped home. So if ''she'' was able to leave, then why are the rest of them staying around to be rescued?
** It'll probably be explained as the season goes on. Maybe they weren't actually traveling in the same ship: Carolina and Church could have been shadowing the others; they saw the crash, landed to investigate, saw that the guys were fine, and then took off without letting them know they were ever there (which would make the rifle a really messed-up "hey, sorry we missed you" note). Sneaking around and spying, even for benevolent reasons, isn't exactly out of place for these people.
*** Unfortunately that doesn't quite work. At the end of season 10 both Caboose and Tucker were acting like Church was around and surprised when they couldn't find him. The other weird thing is that the end of season 10 seemed to imply they were going back to Blood Gulch. I know the Halo 4 map they're using doesn't really look like Blood Gulch, but that's the impression I got. So either there's been a retcon or maybe they originally ''did'' go to Blood Gulch and were immediately picked up by the UNSC and crash landed in this new canyon that ust happens to look kind of similar.
** Maybe the means of escape (shuttles or whatever) could get them off planet, but only to relatively hostile territory. Carolina has no interest in going "home", but the other guys do, so it makes more sense for them to wait.
** They just reused the map. In season 10 it was used as blood gulch, carolina and church left from blood gulch and the reds and blues were picked up from there. In season 11 they crash landed somewhere else entirely plot-wise they just used the same map.
** I never thought that the place the Reds and Blues were trapped in was Blood Gulch, since I find it doesn't look very familiar (then again, I haven't played Halo 4's Blood Gulch), so I thought that they were picked up from Blood Gulch and crashed somewhere else completely. And even if it ''was'' the Blood Gulch map, the fact that they had to establish new bases means it definitely is not Blood Gulch in-story.
** The end of Season 11 may answer this question while raising others: [[spoiler: Carolina is giving orders to Locus.]]
*** [[spoiler:[[WildMassGuessing Maybe Carolina was posing as Locus's Command in that conversation.]] We're just led to believe otherwise.]]
** [[spoiler: [[IKnewIt She is,]] she & Epsilon recently found out about what is going on with the Blood Gulch Crew in Chorus and posing as [[BigBad Control]] to stop [[TheHeavy LOCUS]] from killing the one's he had captive and posing [[DressingAsTheEnemy as one of them]] and then save the BGC from both LOCUS & [[EvilAllAlong Felix]]]]



** Besides, getting a ship out there to arrest him is functionally identical to getting a ship out there to rescue them. It was probably a hail mary tactic.

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** Besides, getting a ship out there to arrest him is functionally identical to getting a ship out there to rescue them. It was probably a hail mary tactic. Season 12 states they were all pardoned for taking down the Director.



* When the AI's are all freaking out at the mention of "Allison" the engineer starts rocking a screeching inside the sarcophagus, why would it? It's not linked to the AIs any more.
* So this has probably been answered by a WordOfGod at some point, but how did Tex and Church ''not'' realize that they were AI's before their respective TomatoInTheMirror moments? Unless they were somehow "possessing" human host bodies (which of course opens up all sorts of other questions) they had to have been running around in robotic bodies even prior to being "killed" in season 1 of BGC. Soooo...did neither of them ever bother taking off their armor and notice that they weren't wearing a meat-suit? Did the fact that they never had to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, or otherwise do anything else remotely human not tip them off? The only real explanations seem to be that they somehow acquired real human bodies, had ridiculously over-designed robots, or were just plain morons.
** They could well have been programmed not to question such things.
* What happened to the quotes page for the series?
* Why does nobody react whenever [[spoiler: Epsilon either mentions or shows up with his AI memory buddys?]] Does Carolina know?
** I assume they already know. in Season 8, the Epsilon version of Delta spoke to Grif, Simmons and Caboose. The Roosterteeth rule of exposition is generally that if one character learns something, assume they told the others at some point off screen.
* From TheStinger of Season 12, Episode 19, [[spoiler:is Meta dead or alive]]?
** Good question. Wait until Season 13 to find out. [[spoiler: My money is on no, it was brought up in the context of a Trophy Room, not a lab or research station.]]
** It is a fair question because the ending of Season 12 didn't make it clear. [[spoiler: My money is on yes, he is alive, because given the amount of punishment he was shown taking as both Agent Maine and the Meta, I find it hard to believe that falling off a cliff would kill him. Hell he got shot in the throat 10 times, and then was hit by a truck and he still survived that! As for his helmet being put in a trophy room, that doesn't necessarily mean that Meta is dead, they may have him captive and alive and the Chairman might decide to use him as a weapon against Chorus (though this is starting to go into WMG), but don't count him out quite yet.]] Not to mention characters in Red vs Blue have survived worse (such as the Insurrectionist soldier who was directly hit by a ''fucking MAC Round'' and only lost an arm!), so I'm just going to end this with a (paraphrased) quote from Grif. "You produce a corpse, and maybe I'll believe you when you say he's dead."
*** Also, Charon Industries is mentioned to be involved in cryogenics, besides [[MeaningfulName being named after the ferryman of the dead.]] They might not be planning to bring Maine/Meta back, but if they decide to, they've got all the excuse they need for him being alive.
** Probably not. [[spoiler:Even if he did survive, there is really no point in bringing the Meta back at this point, as his arc is over.]] One of the many possibilities is that [[spoiler:the Chairman wants to find out the secret of Maine's NighInvulnerability and use it to create an army of SuperSoldiers, starting with Locus and Felix.]]
*** Never underestimate the power of popularity. [[spoiler:The Meta is considered to be one of the best villains in the show, and there is one more thing they can do with him: a redemption arc. He slowly overcomes the insanity wrought by Sigma and helps the BGC overcome Charon Industries.]] Though that probably belongs more in WMG...
*** Exactly. [[spoiler:He is one of the best villains in the show, so turning him good would rob him of that quality. And considering his mental state, there is no way he could go higher or lower on the morality scale. Ultimately, a redemption arc is the ''last'' thing they want to do to him. Besides, bringing him back has a chance of decreasing his popularity.]]

* Why does everyone (largely meaning Freelancers in the prequels) seem to think that Washington is not a terribly good agent? York even makes fun of him. I don't get it. He has displayed remarkable competence ("NOW can we go?" after single handedly taking down an aircraft, etc.), but more importantly-- HE WAS ON THE LEADERBOARD! Heck, Florida and Wyoming weren't even on it. Yet Wash tells one of the BGC "I was mostly known for getting a grappling hook stuck to my crotch." This doesn't make any sense to me at all.
** You're correct, Wash is extremely competent compared to the Reds and Blues and even most soldiers aren't as good as him, but compared to the Freelancers, he sucks. I mean, look at their fighting skills; the Freelancers are on par with the Spartans if not superior to them, whereas Wash doesn't show nearly the same amount of skill. They call him a bad field agent because compared to them, he is a bad agent, at least from their perspective. It's easy to understand, the Freelancers aren't exactly the most mature people despite their profession and they make fun of Wash because it makes them feel better about themselves. Wash is always low on the leaderboard, but he's there because he just cares about getting the job done. Oh and Wyoming has been shown to be on the leaderboard.
*** Exactly. Project Freelancer took the best of the best. Wash is just the worst of the best of the best. He's still miles ahead of average soldiers, and even further beyond sim troopers.
* If the Reds and Blues didn't really time travel how did Captain Flowers die? And why was Sheila talking as if a long time had passed?
** Captain Flowers/[[spoiler: Agent Florida]] probably died of a heart attack, like Church originally believed.
** As for Sheila, Vic may have tampered with her to screw with the BGC, after he realized that they thought that they were in the future.
** In Reconstruction, When Wash and the others find Sheila in Valhalla, she mentions that her onboard clock seems wrong once she left Blood Gulch. That would seem to hint that someone or something did indeed tamper with her.
** The time travel lie was apparently part of an actual training scenario, so Project Freelancer Control probably did some stuff to make it look like time had passed. Change the clocks, remodel the bases, make Sheila look older, that sort of thing.
* Does Grif still have super speed?
** Probably not. That was at least one armor set in the past, and didn't work right then, so there wouldn't be much point in trying to use it again even if Simmons didn't remove it immediately.
* What the hell happened to the Demo Man insurrectionist? Did they just retcon him out of being alive or did they forget him entirely.
** Well a RoaringRampageOfRevenge is probably difficult to do with no arms.

* When has Sarge EVER skipped an opportunity to insult Grif's intelligence aside from the single, glaring instance in season 8?
* Why does everyone refer to the Covenant as "the aliens?" The cast of the series seems to know everything a common person in the Halo universe should know so why don't they know what name of the empire that almost destroyed humanity is called?
* So Tex broke into rescue the Alpha inbetween the flashbacks shown in the Freelancer saga and, by the present we see she was no memory of Project Freelancer or the events of the flashbacks. What happened? Was she captured and given FakeMemories or killed and the Tex the audience is introduced to isn't the same Tex?

* How did Church find the Reds at Blood Gulch in Episode 78? And how did Tucker and Caboose find him there, for that matter?

* Since the Mother of Invention crashed at Sidewinder, does that mean the base there is built from the ship's wreck?
** Given that you can see the wreckage of the Mother of Invention and it's visited in the third episode of the season, maybe not. Then again, the map in which the third episode is filmed might be a remake of Sidewinder. I wouldn't know, as I have yet to play Halo 5.

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* When the AI's are all freaking out at the mention of "Allison" the engineer starts rocking a screeching inside the sarcophagus, why would it? It's not linked to the AIs any more.
* So this has probably been answered by a WordOfGod at some point, but how did Tex and Church ''not'' realize that they were AI's before their respective TomatoInTheMirror moments? Unless they were somehow "possessing" human host bodies (which of course opens up all sorts of other questions) they had to have been running around in robotic bodies even prior to being "killed" in season 1 of BGC. Soooo...did neither of them ever bother taking off their armor and notice that they weren't wearing a meat-suit? Did the fact that they never had to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, or otherwise do anything else remotely human not tip them off? The only real explanations seem to be that they somehow acquired real human bodies, had ridiculously over-designed robots, or were just plain morons.
** They could well have been programmed not to question such things.
* What happened to the quotes page for the series?
* Why does nobody react whenever [[spoiler: Epsilon either mentions or shows up with his AI memory buddys?]] Does Carolina know?
** I assume they already know. in Season 8, the Epsilon version of Delta spoke to Grif, Simmons and Caboose. The Roosterteeth rule of exposition is generally that if one character learns something, assume they told the others at some point off screen.
* From TheStinger of Season 12, Episode 19, [[spoiler:is Meta dead or alive]]?
** Good question. Wait until Season 13 to find out. [[spoiler: My money is on no, it was brought up in the context of a Trophy Room, not a lab or research station.]]
** It is a fair question because the ending of Season 12 didn't make it clear. [[spoiler: My money is on yes, he is alive, because given the amount of punishment he was shown taking as both Agent Maine and the Meta, I find it hard to believe that falling off a cliff would kill him. Hell he got shot in the throat 10 times, and then was hit by a truck and he still survived that! As for his helmet being put in a trophy room, that doesn't necessarily mean that Meta is dead, they may have him captive and alive and the Chairman might decide to use him as a weapon against Chorus (though this is starting to go into WMG), but don't count him out quite yet.]] Not to mention characters in Red vs Blue have survived worse (such as the Insurrectionist soldier who was directly hit by a ''fucking MAC Round'' and only lost an arm!), so I'm just going to end this with a (paraphrased) quote from Grif. "You produce a corpse, and maybe I'll believe you when you say he's dead."
*** Also, Charon Industries is mentioned to be involved in cryogenics, besides [[MeaningfulName being named after the ferryman of the dead.]] They might not be planning to bring Maine/Meta back, but if they decide to, they've got all the excuse they need for him being alive.
** Probably not. [[spoiler:Even if he did survive, there is really no point in bringing the Meta back at this point, as his arc is over.]] One of the many possibilities is that [[spoiler:the Chairman wants to find out the secret of Maine's NighInvulnerability and use it to create an army of SuperSoldiers, starting with Locus and Felix.]]
*** Never underestimate the power of popularity. [[spoiler:The Meta is considered to be one of the best villains in the show, and there is one more thing they can do with him: a redemption arc. He slowly overcomes the insanity wrought by Sigma and helps the BGC overcome Charon Industries.]] Though that probably belongs more in WMG...
*** Exactly. [[spoiler:He is one of the best villains in the show, so turning him good would rob him of that quality. And considering his mental state, there is no way he could go higher or lower on the morality scale. Ultimately, a redemption arc is the ''last'' thing they want to do to him. Besides, bringing him back has a chance of decreasing his popularity.]]

* Why does everyone (largely meaning Freelancers in the prequels) seem to think that Washington is not a terribly good agent? York even makes fun of him. I don't get it. He has displayed remarkable competence ("NOW can we go?" after single handedly taking down an aircraft, etc.), but more importantly-- HE WAS ON THE LEADERBOARD! Heck, Florida and Wyoming weren't even on it. Yet Wash tells one of the BGC "I was mostly known for getting a grappling hook stuck to my crotch." This doesn't make any sense to me at all.
** You're correct, Wash is extremely competent compared to the Reds and Blues and even most soldiers aren't as good as him, but compared to the Freelancers, he sucks. I mean, look at their fighting skills; the Freelancers are on par with the Spartans if not superior to them, whereas Wash doesn't show nearly the same amount of skill. They call him a bad field agent because compared to them, he is a bad agent, at least from their perspective. It's easy to understand, the Freelancers aren't exactly the most mature people despite their profession and they make fun of Wash because it makes them feel better about themselves. Wash is always low on the leaderboard, but he's there because he just cares about getting the job done. Oh and Wyoming has been shown to be on the leaderboard.
*** Exactly. Project Freelancer took the best of the best. Wash is just the worst of the best of the best. He's still miles ahead of average soldiers, and even further beyond sim troopers.
* If the Reds and Blues didn't really time travel how did Captain Flowers die? And why was Sheila talking as if a long time had passed?
** Captain Flowers/[[spoiler: Agent Florida]] probably died of a heart attack, like Church originally believed.
** As for Sheila, Vic may have tampered with her to screw with the BGC, after he realized that they thought that they were in the future.
** In Reconstruction, When Wash and the others find Sheila in Valhalla, she mentions that her onboard clock seems wrong once she left Blood Gulch. That would seem to hint that someone or something did indeed tamper with her.
** The time travel lie was apparently part of an actual training scenario, so Project Freelancer Control probably did some stuff to make it look like time had passed. Change the clocks, remodel the bases, make Sheila look older, that sort of thing.
* Does Grif still have super speed?
** Probably not. That was at least one armor set in the past, and didn't work right then, so there wouldn't be much point in trying to use it again even if Simmons didn't remove it immediately.
* What the hell happened to the Demo Man insurrectionist? Did they just retcon him out of being alive or did they forget him entirely.
** Well a RoaringRampageOfRevenge is probably difficult to do with no arms.

* When has Sarge EVER skipped an opportunity to insult Grif's intelligence aside from the single, glaring instance in season 8?
* Why does everyone refer to the Covenant as "the aliens?" The cast of the series seems to know everything a common person in the Halo universe should know so why don't they know what name of the empire that almost destroyed humanity is called?
* So Tex broke into rescue the Alpha inbetween the flashbacks shown in the Freelancer saga and, by the present we see she was no memory of Project Freelancer or the events of the flashbacks. What happened? Was she captured and given FakeMemories or killed and the Tex the audience is introduced to isn't the same Tex?

* How did Church find the Reds at Blood Gulch in Episode 78? And how did Tucker and Caboose find him there, for that matter?

* Since the Mother of Invention crashed at Sidewinder, does that mean the base there is built from the ship's wreck?
** Given that you can see the wreckage of the Mother of Invention and it's visited in the third episode of the season, maybe not. Then again, the map in which the third episode is filmed might be a remake of Sidewinder. I wouldn't know, as I have yet to play Halo 5.
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* Given the reveal about Church [[spoiler: and Private Jimmy, does that mean Tex's Season One body was also a co-opted soldier?]]
** Tex's "injury" in the training room in Season 9 would seem to imply that [[spoiler: she was always a robot]].

* What the Hell is an Oversight Subcommittee? (Like, I looked up both terms but I'm confused as to how it's supposed to fit into the UNSC (Or UEG?) hierarchy. (Also, why the head of such a group would be giving a public speech as seen at the beginning of Season 13.)
** Exactly what it's name implies. A group of people who oversee the investigation of something. In this case they're investigating Project Freelancer. As for why Hargrove was giving a public speech, he's a politician and the CEO of Charon Industries.
** I guess that explanation just doesn't add up to me; the UNSC is a purely military entity, so it's hard to imagine a career politician like Hargrove having any sort of authority in it, especially in a position of such apparent power. My point about his speech is more that, by all accounts he likes to keep out of the public eye in general, and IRL people aren't that interested in politicians who are unelected but powerful bureaucrats (Except for a president's cabinet members) which is all that Hargrove really is.

* Why did the Director laud Wyoming and Maine for using live ammo against Tex? Leaving aside the fact that it's a serious OutOfCharacterMoment for him, given how protective he is of Tex. More saliently though...what exactly is the supposed advantage in using live ammo, beyond petty spite?
** "No rules on the battlefield," I suppose. Or, maybe he thought that Wyoming and Maine weren't a real problem to Tex, given she had a more aggressive AI than them. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he only freak out when Carolina and Tex were about to fight? He probably knew that, with two AI, Carolina was a bigger threat to Tex than Wyoming and Maine were.
** That kind of makes sense, but my problem was more that there's no discernible tactical advantage to using the live rounds- like, it doesn't actually help them ''win'', so I don't understand what he means by there not being any rules on the battlefield. Also, IDK, I can't see how an impromptu live-fire exercise is less dangerous then a physical sparring match. (This is WildMassGuessing but maybe, MAYBE it'd make sense if he was actually worried about Carolina and her real name is Allison)

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\n* Given the reveal about Church [[spoiler: and Private Jimmy, does that mean Tex's Season One body was also a co-opted soldier?]]
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** Tex's "injury" in the training room in Season 9 would seem to imply that [[spoiler: she was always a robot]].

* What the Hell is an Oversight Subcommittee? (Like, I looked up both terms but I'm confused as to how it's supposed to fit into the UNSC (Or UEG?) hierarchy. (Also, why the head of such a group would be giving a public speech as seen at the beginning of Season 13.)
** Exactly what it's name implies. A group of people who oversee the investigation of something. In this case they're investigating Project Freelancer. As for why Hargrove was giving a public speech, he's a politician and the CEO of Charon Industries.
** I guess that explanation just doesn't add up to me; the UNSC is a purely military entity, so it's hard to imagine a career politician like Hargrove having any sort of authority in it, especially in a position of such apparent power. My point about his speech is more that, by all accounts he likes to keep out of the public eye in general, and IRL people aren't that interested in politicians who are unelected but powerful bureaucrats (Except for a president's cabinet members) which is all that Hargrove really is.

* Why did the Director laud Wyoming and Maine for using live ammo against Tex? Leaving aside the fact that it's a serious OutOfCharacterMoment for him, given how protective he is of Tex. More saliently though...what exactly is the supposed advantage in using live ammo, beyond petty spite?
** "No rules on the battlefield," I suppose. Or, maybe he thought that Wyoming and Maine weren't a real problem to Tex, given she had a more aggressive AI than them. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he only freak out when Carolina and Tex were about to fight? He probably knew that, with two AI, Carolina was a bigger threat to Tex than Wyoming and Maine were.
** That kind of makes sense, but my problem was more that there's no discernible tactical advantage to using the live rounds- like, it doesn't actually help them ''win'', so I don't understand what he means by there not being any rules on the battlefield. Also, IDK, I can't see how an impromptu live-fire exercise is less dangerous then a physical sparring match. (This is WildMassGuessing but maybe, MAYBE it'd make sense if he was actually worried about Carolina and her real name is Allison)
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8th Apr '18 7:31:28 AM Tharkun140
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* A random headscratcher from Season 4: Why was Andy intimidated by Tex threatening to detonate him? Wasn't exploding kind of... his life goal?
23rd Nov '17 9:08:29 PM nombretomado
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*** Highly unlikely. Burnie wrote that the scene will not make it on the DvD, as it is not important to the plot.

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*** Highly unlikely. Burnie wrote that the scene will not make it on the DvD, DVD, as it is not important to the plot.
23rd Nov '17 9:06:41 PM nombretomado
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** Nope, and since the Recollections {{DVD}} features ''Recovery One'', that's not a problem.

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** Nope, and since the Recollections {{DVD}} UsefulNotes/{{DVD}} features ''Recovery One'', that's not a problem.
13th Aug '17 7:53:12 AM PandaXclone2
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** Perhaps the original crew selected before the accident (and Caboose and Donut) were from a list of possible candidates that fit within a certain criteria and the not-so-best suitable were shuffled forward? It would be believable to assume that so long as they were going to do similar stuff, it wouldn't matter that they had a differing personality, which would stick those two further down the list. The whole "mirror-counterparts personality" thing with Caboose and Donut may very well be just a freak coincidence, or predetermined to happen hence why they would even be on the list to begin with.

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** Perhaps the original crew selected before the accident (and Caboose and Donut) were from a list of possible candidates that fit within a certain criteria and the not-so-best suitable not-so-suitable were shuffled forward? It would be believable to assume that so long as they were going to do similar stuff, it wouldn't matter that they had a differing personality, which would stick those two further down the list. The whole "mirror-counterparts personality" thing with Caboose and Donut may very well be just a freak coincidence, or predetermined to happen hence why they would even be on the list to begin with.
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** Perhaps the original crew selected before the accident (and Caboose and Donut) were from a list of possible candidates that fit within a certain criteria and the not-so-best suitable were shuffled forward? It would be believable to assume that so long as they were going to do similar stuff, it wouldn't matter that they had a differing personality, which would stick those two further down the list. The whole "mirror-counterparts personality" thing with Caboose and Donut may very well be just a freak coincidence, or predetermined to happen hence why they would even be on the list to begin with.
2nd Jul '17 6:14:11 PM MMTrigger
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** I guess that explanation just doesn't add up to me; the UNSC is a purely military entity, so it's hard to imagine a career politician like Hargrove having any sort of authority in it, especially in a position of such apparent power. My point about his speech is more that, by all accounts he likes to keep out of the public eye in general, and IRL people aren't that interested in politicians who are unelected but powerful bureaucrats (Except for a presidents cabinet members) which is all that Hargrove really is.

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** I guess that explanation just doesn't add up to me; the UNSC is a purely military entity, so it's hard to imagine a career politician like Hargrove having any sort of authority in it, especially in a position of such apparent power. My point about his speech is more that, by all accounts he likes to keep out of the public eye in general, and IRL people aren't that interested in politicians who are unelected but powerful bureaucrats (Except for a presidents president's cabinet members) which is all that Hargrove really is.


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** Carolina was testing out a new prototype version of her armor. The completed version, suit she was wearing on Chorus, helped her withstand getting knocked through concrete and falling off a cliff, stuff that her old suit couldn't match. Chances are her proto-suit was better at shock absorption, hence the deflection. This also explains what happened after Carolina deflected the broom: the older model suit just couldn't take a hit like that. Grif took similar hits in the Recollections trilogy and survived because his suit was improved.
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