History Headscratchers / Push

2nd Sep '17 10:59:32 AM nombretomado
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* Did this film invent it and if not, where did they get it? Since this film came out, ''Series/{{Heroes}}, {{Alphas}}'' and a few other places have used the term.

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* Did this film invent it and if not, where did they get it? Since this film came out, ''Series/{{Heroes}}, {{Alphas}}'' Series/{{Alphas}}'' and a few other places have used the term.
9th Jul '17 8:39:54 AM nombretomado
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* Maybe someone with a background in science can either clear this up or dismiss it as HollywoodScience: The premise of the movie follows a post-[[WorldWarTwo WWII]] agency called the Division that employs and/or exploits people with psychic powers for military purposes. At some point, the Division developed a serum that [[UpToEleven boosts the powers]] of these psychics. But they have a problem: it is explicitly stated that the serum has killed ''every single psychic'' it was given to, except for one (a "pusher" named Kira Hollies), who was discovered recently. So...how did they develop the serum? How did they know it would eventually boost psychic powers? How did they even know psychic powers could be boosted at all? The only thing all of their efforts have yielded are dead psychics, which works contrary to the goal of having super-soldiers. Typically when a hypothesis is shown to be false, scientists will go back to the drawing board and try to correct their mistakes. What they ''won't'' do is spend fifty or sixty years killing off their potential soldiers in the hopes that one of their subjects will eventually both survive and gain an upgrade to their powers. It seems to me that at some point in this process, they would have most likely decided that the best way to boost the psychics' powers is put them on the payroll and give them proper training with what they have.

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* Maybe someone with a background in science can either clear this up or dismiss it as HollywoodScience: The premise of the movie follows a post-[[WorldWarTwo post-[[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII WWII]] agency called the Division that employs and/or exploits people with psychic powers for military purposes. At some point, the Division developed a serum that [[UpToEleven boosts the powers]] of these psychics. But they have a problem: it is explicitly stated that the serum has killed ''every single psychic'' it was given to, except for one (a "pusher" named Kira Hollies), who was discovered recently. So...how did they develop the serum? How did they know it would eventually boost psychic powers? How did they even know psychic powers could be boosted at all? The only thing all of their efforts have yielded are dead psychics, which works contrary to the goal of having super-soldiers. Typically when a hypothesis is shown to be false, scientists will go back to the drawing board and try to correct their mistakes. What they ''won't'' do is spend fifty or sixty years killing off their potential soldiers in the hopes that one of their subjects will eventually both survive and gain an upgrade to their powers. It seems to me that at some point in this process, they would have most likely decided that the best way to boost the psychics' powers is put them on the payroll and give them proper training with what they have.
24th Apr '16 9:03:36 AM NateThePrate
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***In the restaurant scene, where Nick first tries the gun trick, Victor looks pretty pissed. Granted, he ALWAYS looks pissed, but I interpreted it as disgust a rookie like Nick got the drop on him.
19th Dec '15 6:19:46 PM Discar
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!!!!The film about psychics called ''Film/{{Push}}'' has examples of:

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!!!!The film about psychics called ''Film/{{Push}}'' has examples of:New entries on the bottom.

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*** Because Sirens don't do that
*** Or how about Banshees?
**** All the other power people had an -er suffix. Siren and Banshee does not match up with the nomenclature.
***** Sniffs, Shadows, Stitches
**** "Screamer" works. Or would that be copyright infringement?
*** The soundwaves they project are strong enough to burst blood vessels. In the movie, there's a scene where they unleash their powers and some fish get caught by their screams. If you pay attention, the fish die almost immediately from bleeding. Sound is just pressurized air, after all.

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*** ** Because Sirens don't do that
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that.
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Or how about Banshees?
**** ** All the other power people had an -er suffix. Siren and Banshee does not match up with the nomenclature.
***** ** Sniffs, Shadows, Stitches
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Stitches.
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"Screamer" works. Or would that be copyright infringement?
*** ** The soundwaves they project are strong enough to burst blood vessels. In the movie, there's a scene where they unleash their powers and some fish get caught by their screams. If you pay attention, the fish die almost immediately from bleeding. Sound is just pressurized air, after all.
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** It's his job to be TheDragon to Carver}. I wouldn't call it personal.
*** Presumably he's also a sadist who enjoyed beating the crap out of an inferior mover.

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** It's his job to be TheDragon to Carver}.Carver. I wouldn't call it personal.
*** ** Presumably he's also a sadist who enjoyed beating the crap out of an inferior mover.
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*** Developing any drug means you have at least a general idea of what you want it to do - certain chemicals will always react certain ways under certain circumstances, which is how they "knew" what the serum would do. It's not that the serum remained static for each subject, they just had to keep revising it to try and get it to work. It's not that Kira was special as a pusher (Carver says so, but he's proved to be a lying manipulator through the entire film), it's that she got the first dosage of a serum that didn't kill the patient - the serum that worked. Granted, this raises other questions, such as why they would have NoPlansNoPrototypeNoBackup for, of all things, a super serum - which could be easily recreateable if they had the formula. As for why they didn't just keep training people, they obviously have, and now they want a method that's either (a) easier (or quicker results) or (b) limit-raising, so the psychics can push their powers past their normal boundaries, like overclocking a computer to go beyond the normal performance.
**** They had the formula, they were worried about other governments reverse engineering it. It was also likely an intersection of the formula and the girl, so they had to test her to see what combination made it work, and would have to tweak the formula for other supers. They also had to worry about her pushing a bunch of people to take revenge on them.

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*** ** Developing any drug means you have at least a general idea of what you want it to do - certain chemicals will always react certain ways under certain circumstances, which is how they "knew" what the serum would do. It's not that the serum remained static for each subject, they just had to keep revising it to try and get it to work. It's not that Kira was special as a pusher (Carver says so, but he's proved to be a lying manipulator through the entire film), it's that she got the first dosage of a serum that didn't kill the patient - the serum that worked. Granted, this raises other questions, such as why they would have NoPlansNoPrototypeNoBackup for, of all things, a super serum - which could be easily recreateable if they had the formula. As for why they didn't just keep training people, they obviously have, and now they want a method that's either (a) easier (or quicker results) or (b) limit-raising, so the psychics can push their powers past their normal boundaries, like overclocking a computer to go beyond the normal performance.
**** ** They had the formula, they were worried about other governments reverse engineering it. It was also likely an intersection of the formula and the girl, so they had to test her to see what combination made it work, and would have to tweak the formula for other supers. They also had to worry about her pushing a bunch of people to take revenge on them.



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*** Which should've been the first clue for Carver that something was wrong. Kira only went into a seizue a few seconds after the injection. Nick starts seizing as soon as he injects himself. Is that really enough time for anything to work? Besides, he was probably faking.
*** Remember that Kira was the only one who the serum hadn't killed. The others had likely died in ways similar enough to what Nick did that Carver didn't question it, having seen it numerous times before.

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*** ** Which should've been the first clue for Carver that something was wrong. Kira only went into a seizue a few seconds after the injection. Nick starts seizing as soon as he injects himself. Is that really enough time for anything to work? Besides, he was probably faking.
*** ** Remember that Kira was the only one who the serum hadn't killed. The others had likely died in ways similar enough to what Nick did that Carver didn't question it, having seen it numerous times before.
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!!!!''Push'' as a term for MindControl:

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** ''Series/TheXFiles'' also used it to refer to the psychic character Robert as the "Pusher".

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** ''Series/TheXFiles'' also used it to refer to the psychic character Robert as the "Pusher"."Pusher".

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15th Sep '15 6:10:44 PM jormis29
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!!!!The film about psychics called ''{{Push}}'' has examples of:

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!!!!The film about psychics called ''{{Push}}'' ''Film/{{Push}}'' has examples of:
12th Aug '14 12:08:56 AM XFllo
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** Series/TheXFiles also used it to refer to the psychic character Robert as the "Pusher".

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** Series/TheXFiles ''Series/TheXFiles'' also used it to refer to the psychic character Robert as the "Pusher".
12th Aug '14 12:08:39 AM XFllo
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** TheXFiles also used it to refer to the psychic character Robert as the "Pusher".

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** TheXFiles Series/TheXFiles also used it to refer to the psychic character Robert as the "Pusher".
6th Apr '14 6:44:27 PM Aiguille
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** It's his job to be Carver's {{Dragon}}. I wouldn't call it personal.

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** It's his job to be Carver's {{Dragon}}.TheDragon to Carver}. I wouldn't call it personal.
13th Apr '13 11:14:23 PM nombretomado
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** I think it was first used in the Creator/StephenKing novel ''FireStarter'', where it refered to psychic powers in general (The father "pushes" a pay phone to make it eject all of it's coins, and later "pushes" a scientist to convince him to let him and his daughter go)

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** I think it was first used in the Creator/StephenKing novel ''FireStarter'', ''Literature/FireStarter'', where it refered to psychic powers in general (The father "pushes" a pay phone to make it eject all of it's its coins, and later "pushes" a scientist to convince him to let him and his daughter go)
28th Mar '13 6:53:03 AM Frank75
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* Did this film invent it and if not, where did they get it? Since this film came out, {{Heroes}}, {{Alphas}} and a few other places have used the term.
** I think it was first used in the Creator/StephenKing novel FireStarter, where it refered to psychic powers in general (The father "pushes" a pay phone to make it eject all of it's coins, and later "pushes" a scientist to convince him to let him and his daughter go)

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* Did this film invent it and if not, where did they get it? Since this film came out, {{Heroes}}, {{Alphas}} ''Series/{{Heroes}}, {{Alphas}}'' and a few other places have used the term.
** I think it was first used in the Creator/StephenKing novel FireStarter, ''FireStarter'', where it refered to psychic powers in general (The father "pushes" a pay phone to make it eject all of it's coins, and later "pushes" a scientist to convince him to let him and his daughter go)
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