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*** ''Unwound Future'' used this explanation quite a bit, actually.
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*** You're right. It would be impossible to prevent contradictions. First, there's a game devoted to that >_>. But second, what's to say that such things -didn't- happen and between the power of the gas and the power of the human mind, people simply rationalized it away or otherwise worked around the inconsistency. Or even made the inconsistency part of the hallucination.
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*** Plus, one of the kids mentions that occasionally, when she looks at her father, he seems much older. Clearly, the illusion can temporarily fade; if she didn't exist, why would she be affected by the gas?
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** [[spoiler: There ARE in fact fires in the room, just not very big ones.]]
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** The explosion caused a messy enough distraction so he could simply have hidden Family members [[spoiler: grab Hawks and drag him to the clock shop.]]
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\n* Since it turns out that [[spoiler: the time machine in Dr. Stahngun's exhibition was a hoax]], how did he [[spoiler: get himself and Bill Hawks underground]]? There couldn't have been [[spoiler: an elevator shaft under the fake time machine]], because the police would have found it.
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** I find it hard to believe that [[spoiler: Clive]] could have had the money to build an [[spoiler: entire London-sized, fully operating city below Real!London. Unless half of the buildings were hollow or something. I mean, inheritance be damned, no one person would have that much money. On top of that the worker the Professor and Luke meet when they first enter Future London says something like "we've been building for a year" - how could you possibly build an entire city in a year?]]
** The citizens of Future London are all [[spoiler: scared stiff of Layton and his hat because he/it looks like the evil!Layton that's been heading the crime gangs. Assuming they're not somehow hired actors (exceptional actors at that, to convince Layton and co that they're really in the future), it's a bit of a Fridge Logic moment - Dimitri, or rather the "evil Layton," has been underground since the time machine accident where the Prime Minister was captured - a day, at the least, a week at the most. Yet all the citizens seem to believe he's been running things for years. Going on that logic, who's really the "evil Layton" - Clive himself? Don Paolo, in his Layton disguise?]]

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** * I find it hard to believe that [[spoiler: Clive]] could have had the money to build an [[spoiler: entire London-sized, fully operating city below Real!London. Unless half of the buildings were hollow or something. I mean, inheritance be damned, no one person would have that much money. On top of that the worker the Professor and Luke meet when they first enter Future London says something like "we've been building for a year" - how could you possibly build an entire city in a year?]]
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year? How long has Clive actually been working on this project, and wouldn't he have hundreds of accomplices all unhappy with the political corruption? Barely any are mentioned, aside from Dimitri.]]
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The citizens of Future London are all [[spoiler: scared stiff of Layton and his hat because he/it looks like the evil!Layton that's been heading the crime gangs. Assuming they're not somehow hired actors (exceptional actors at that, to convince Layton and co that they're really in the future), it's a bit of a Fridge Logic moment - Dimitri, or rather the "evil Layton," has been underground since the time machine accident where the Prime Minister was captured - a day, at the least, a week at the most. Yet all the citizens seem to believe he's been running things for years. Going on that logic, who's really the "evil Layton" - Clive himself? Don Paolo, in his Layton disguise?]]
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*** I always assumed that because Layton did so much [[spoiler:covert, extensive research into the accident 10 years ago, he had been tracking some of the survivors of the incident]]. He probably knew about [[spoiler: Clive]] as a notable survivor, but not as the [[spoiler: boy he saved]] until it was revealed.


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** I find it hard to believe that [[spoiler: Clive]] could have had the money to build an [[spoiler: entire London-sized, fully operating city below Real!London. Unless half of the buildings were hollow or something. I mean, inheritance be damned, no one person would have that much money. On top of that the worker the Professor and Luke meet when they first enter Future London says something like "we've been building for a year" - how could you possibly build an entire city in a year?]]
** The citizens of Future London are all [[spoiler: scared stiff of Layton and his hat because he/it looks like the evil!Layton that's been heading the crime gangs. Assuming they're not somehow hired actors (exceptional actors at that, to convince Layton and co that they're really in the future), it's a bit of a Fridge Logic moment - Dimitri, or rather the "evil Layton," has been underground since the time machine accident where the Prime Minister was captured - a day, at the least, a week at the most. Yet all the citizens seem to believe he's been running things for years. Going on that logic, who's really the "evil Layton" - Clive himself? Don Paolo, in his Layton disguise?]]
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**It is utterly impossible for an entire city to have the same hallucination to such a degree that they are able to function coherently. Differences must arise and these contradictions lead to the inability to work together properly. Especially when Layton shows up.
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** I feel like Bruno's response to this idea would be: "Shit! Why didn't I think of that!".
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Wow, I must have been really drunk when I wrote this. Just fixing the end.


* Was the reason why the Melina inside Jenis was different than the one implanted into Emily because Jenis accepted Melina's memories? Also, how could Melina choose to just "move on" at the end if "she", as in her memories, was just a bunch of electronic information? Does that mean her father actually did something like a soul upload and not just a memory upload? If that was the case, the ending would make sense because then it would be essentially her spirit leaving Jenis to leave for the afterlife. We were told, however, that Jenis was only implanted with Melina's memories and that she accepted it. Thus, Melina shouldn't have been able to disappear like that. In all likeliness, that Melina retreated to the furthest recesses of Jenis' mind so that she wouldn't bother Jenis.

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* Was the reason why the Melina inside Jenis was different than the one implanted into Emily because Jenis accepted Melina's memories? Also, how could Melina choose to just "move on" at the end if "she", as in her memories, was just a bunch of electronic information? Does that mean her father actually did something like a soul upload and not just a memory upload? If that was the case, the ending would make sense because then it would be essentially her spirit leaving Jenis to leave for the afterlife. We were told, however, that Jenis was only implanted with Melina's memories and that she accepted it. Thus, Melina shouldn't have been able to disappear like that. In Melina, in all likeliness, that Melina likelihood, probably retreated to the furthest recesses of Jenis' mind so that she wouldn't bother Jenis.Jenis anymore..
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** Actually, [[spoiler: underground London has its own night/day cycle, as you can see in some places like the forest and the casino. And there is a disguised elevator shaft above the clock shop; you can clearly see it from the Midland Rd. (Fork) screen.]]
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*** The kitschy explanation bugs me a lot, to be honest--the whole movie in general just feels like it's being written by a different writer from the games. The explanation feels tacked on, something they made up at the last minute. The whole [[spoiler:ruins rising up because of the music]] annoyed me a lot too, but as a friend of this troper said, [[spoiler:there were pipes all around Ambrosia and the different frequencies of the music could have been detected by the pipes as a password of some sort]]. But yeah, in general, the conclusion just really bugged me.
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Tired. Can't be assed to proofread my paragraph. It still bugs me though.

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* Was the reason why the Melina inside Jenis was different than the one implanted into Emily because Jenis accepted Melina's memories? Also, how could Melina choose to just "move on" at the end if "she", as in her memories, was just a bunch of electronic information? Does that mean her father actually did something like a soul upload and not just a memory upload? If that was the case, the ending would make sense because then it would be essentially her spirit leaving Jenis to leave for the afterlife. We were told, however, that Jenis was only implanted with Melina's memories and that she accepted it. Thus, Melina shouldn't have been able to disappear like that. In all likeliness, that Melina retreated to the furthest recesses of Jenis' mind so that she wouldn't bother Jenis.
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*** It may have been foreshadowed to the player, but Layton didn't know! At the end [[spoiler: when Clive is about to be arrested, he tells the Professor that he was indeed the boy in that scene; Layton replies "That... was you?"]]
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** Are we talking about the [[spoiler:ruins which rise upon the music being played]], the people of Ambrosia or [[spoiler:Melina]]? We're given a sort of throwaway comment about how [[spoiler:the people of Ambrosia didn't last forever because they had eternal life, but rather because we remember them - their story is passed down to each generation]]. It's a bit kitschy but it's something. I'm more annoyed about the fact that, as a man of science, Layton [[spoiler:tells Luke that Melina could well have been a reincarnation of the Queen of Ambrosia]].

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** [[spoiler:Clive]] was probably known between the scientists and politicians, since almost everybody in the room was involved with the [[spoiler:killer time travel.]]

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** [[spoiler:Clive]] was probably known between the scientists and politicians, since almost everybody in the room was involved with the [[spoiler:killer time travel.]]
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** When Layton talks about the day of the explosion to Luke [[spoiler: the real one]], he says there was a boy who lost his parents, and on the picture we see Layton holding the boy. It's foreshadowed.
* How exactly did the [[spoiler: fake London located underground]] fool anyone? The [[spoiler: sky, the clouds, the sun were probably just painted on the cave walls and thus never changed at all all the time they were there.]] Also, how was it made that it is [[spoiler:bright]] there without it being obvious [[spoiler: light bulbs or the like?]] AND, how could the [[spoiler: room with the "time machine"]] be an [[spoiler: elevator]] when you can't see any [[spoiler: elevator shaft]] above the house when you are in future London?

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* Nothing was explained about the eternal nature of Ambrosia. NOTHING.
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**[[spoiler:Clive]] was probably known between the scientists and politicians, since almost everybody in the room was involved with the [[spoiler:killer time travel.]]
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*** Professor Layton had mentioned he was famous for being a puzzle-lover at one point. People could've indirectly recognized him and asked him a puzzle. Or this is an [[AlternateUniverse AU]] of Europe where everyone loves puzzles, considering the amount of [[AnachronismStew Anachronism Stew.]]
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* When we first hear about the lab accident ten years ago, we're told that it caused a massive fire and destroyed half of the neighboring apartment building [[spoiler:killing Clive's parents]]. However, when [[spoiler:Dimitri]] recalls the incident, [[spoiler:we see him running to find Claire's body in a scorched but intact room, which is clearly not destroyed or on fire.]]
* Were we supposed to know [[spoiler: who Clive even was]] before the reveal? I don't recall [[spoiler:him]] ever being mentioned before that moment, but Layton [[spoiler:calls out his name as if everyone was supposed to recognize it.]]
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*** Oh, they know...remember [[spoiler:the sign announcing that the bus stopped running the route Luke and the Professor wanted to take...5 years in the future. And the newspapers, which would have to have the future date to keep the Professor and Luke in the dark if they picked one up.]]
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** I figure they're actors hired to play the part of people living 10 years in the future. In fact, most people don't mention it's the future(it makes no sense, after all) nor events in the past 10 years, so maybe they don't even know it's supposed to be 10 years in the future.

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** I figure they're actors hired to play the part of people living 10 [[spoiler:10 years in into the future. future]]. In fact, most people don't mention it's the [[spoiler:the future(it makes no sense, after all) nor events in the past 10 years, years]], so maybe they don't even know it's supposed to be 10 [[spoiler:10 years in the future.future]].
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** I figure they're actors hired to play the part of people living 10 years in the future. In fact, most people don't mention it's the future(it makes no sense, after all) nor events in the past 10 years, so maybe they don't even know it's supposed to be 10 years in the future.
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* If Bruno and the Reinholds know that they are the only ones in St. Mystere who aren't robots, why does Bruno have to operate in such secrecy? Why doesn't he just present himself as the "town doctor" and implant memories in the robots of coming to him for every little ache and pain, and wait for them to report for regular maintenance? It wouldn't even have to interfere with the plot of the game; Simon could still break down, and Layton and Luke could still run across Bruno carrying Ramon in a bag. The only difference would be that they would end up investigating the "mysterious doctor" instead of the "mysterious random guy," and the townsfolk wouldn't feel terrorized. Plus, Bruno would get to live out in the open as a distinguished member of the community.

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* In the first game, Baron Reinhold apparently created enough ridiculously human robots to populate the town of St. Mystere, and had his daughter grow up among them, to the point that they're really the only ones she can call family. And then set up the inheritance such that if anyone takes it, the robots will stop functioning and will essentially die. And Flora and Layton can't have that. So the question is, did the Baron ''intentionally'' set things up so that ''the entirety of his family's estate and wealth'' will go to waste? And he prides himself on ''intelligence''?
** As noted in WMG, this may have been a SecretTestOfCharacter. Makes sense to me imo.
*** The whole town is a SecretTestOfCharacter. Proving that Layton and Flora are good people? Fine. Doing it in a way that ensures that she'll never see a cent of her inheritance if she ''passes''? Not so fine.
*** The test isn't about ensuring she has wealth to live comfortably. The test is about ensuring she has love to live well. Besides, if they -really- need the money, they can ask the robots if it's okay to take the money.

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* In the first game, Baron Reinhold apparently created enough ridiculously human robots to populate the town of St. Mystere, and had his daughter grow up among them, to the point that they're really the only ones she can call family. And then set up the inheritance such that if anyone takes it, the robots will stop functioning and will essentially die. And Flora and Layton can't have that. So the question is, did the Baron ''intentionally'' set things up so that ''the entirety of his family's estate and wealth'' will go to waste? And he prides himself on ''intelligence''?
** As noted in WMG, this may have been a SecretTestOfCharacter. Makes sense to me imo.
*** The whole town is a SecretTestOfCharacter. Proving that Layton and Flora are good people? Fine. Doing it in a way that ensures that she'll never see a cent of her inheritance if she ''passes''? Not so fine.
*** The test isn't about ensuring she has wealth to live comfortably. The test is about ensuring she has love to live well. Besides, if they -really- need the money, they can ask the robots if it's okay to take the money.



** They are obviously subconsiously deriving information from the environment. See examples of the 50 year old photographs; it's likely those actually existed in the room.

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* Why on earth does everyone in Future London in ''Unwound Future'' act like [[spoiler: it's really ten years later]]? Are they all actors? Did they all use the time machine to get there? When Chelmley evacuates them at the end of the game, are they all going straight to gaol as accomplices?
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* [[spoiler:All the citizens of Folsense are hallucinations, yet they all somehow manage to give Professor and Luke accurate information regarding the history and happenings in the town...]]
** They are obviously subconsiously deriving information from the environment. See examples of the 50 year old photographs; it's likely those actually existed in the room.
** [[spoiler: Not only that, but it is hinted through the events of the game about the hallucinations before it's revealed. The street lying in ruins, with a broken water pipe and rubbish heap? There were no pictures of that street in the station, so Layton and Luke are seeing it as it really is. The same for the mines and, later, the forest.]]
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*** The test isn't about ensuring she has wealth to live comfortably. The test is about ensuring she has love to live well. Besides, if they -really- need the money, they can ask the robots if it's okay to take the money.
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** Maybe yes. But if the gas makes them see what they expect, someone expecting to always be fixing stuff - even stuff that isn't broken or in need of repair - is going to go around breaking stuff while 'fixing' things.

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