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** Cutter came up with that theory as early as Episode 3
-->'''Lester''': Well, if that were true, creatures would have come through before./
-->'''Nick''': Maybe they have. Ancient civilisations have spoken of monsters and dragons. Perhaps they weren’t as naïve as we assumed.
An actual creature that matches up with a mythological being just added more weight to that hypothesis.
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** The implication is that they were relocated to the ARC's Menagerie like Rex.
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** It seems she was mostly hired to spy on them and keep tabs on their whereabouts. The ARC team are on-call at all times of the day, so Leek needed someone to keep an eye on Abby and Connor when they weren't working.
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** Actually azhdarchid pterosaurs at their peak probably weighted around the same, and were definitely bulky (i.e. Hatzegopteryx). Bats (and pterosaurs for that matter) also work better as flyers than birds since they can quadruped launch (making their giant sizes cost efficient and adding to stealth, since they could just vault instead of run like an albatross) [[https://www.livescience.com/1245-bats-efficient-flyers-birds.html and are more agile in the air]]. So yes, there's literally no reason to not make the Future Predators fully flight capable when nature itself is giving you a few cheats to make things extremely easy for you.

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This JustBugsMe partly because I generally dislike Masquerades in the first place, but also because this one doesn't seem justified. If the public was informed about the anomalies, it'd make handling the scene much easier, and would have been a great way of finding them as they occurred before Connor invented his magic detector. Plus, what about the scientific opportunities that are being wasted? Most obviously, it'd shut down the creationists once and for all, but apart from that the scientific community would get a great look at creatures from earlier eras. The reasoning given - "it'd cause panic" - doesn't really gel because obviously the anomalies ''wouldn't'' cause panic if the public knew about them, and as it is people panic anyway.

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This JustBugsMe partly Partly because I generally dislike Masquerades in the first place, but also because this one doesn't seem justified. If the public was informed about the anomalies, it'd make handling the scene much easier, and would have been a great way of finding them as they occurred before Connor invented his magic detector. Plus, what about the scientific opportunities that are being wasted? Most obviously, it'd shut down the creationists once and for all, but apart from that the scientific community would get a great look at creatures from earlier eras. The reasoning given - "it'd cause panic" - doesn't really gel because obviously the anomalies ''wouldn't'' cause panic if the public knew about them, and as it is people panic anyway.



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** The ARC had encountered creatures that resembled mythological beasts before - such as the merpeople in Season 2. If Sarah's any good, she'll know what particular time periods certain myths started popping up in. And that is actually a big help.




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** On a more meta level, the show was cancelled and Jason Flemyng moved onto a few film commitments - and thus wasn't able to do anything long-term when the show was brought back. Production was now in Ireland, and Laila Rouass opted not to move so as to spend time with her young daughter.
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** Regarding point C, the ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' system where changing the past causes you to disappear and possibly destroys the Universe is not the only model of a mutable timeline and is actually quite rare in serious time travel fiction. The most common way of handling a single mutable timeline is to essentially "overwrite" time from the point when the time travellers appeared similarly to a NewGamePlus - Helen appears back then with all her levels and equipment, but future events are no longer set in stone and can happen differently with no consequence to her. Of course ''Primeval'' is firmly a TimeyWimeyBall series, so time travel basically works however the writers want it to at that moment.

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** Regarding point C, the ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' ''Franchise/BackToTheFuture'' system where changing the past causes you to disappear and possibly destroys the Universe is not the only model of a mutable timeline and is actually quite rare in serious time travel fiction. The most common way of handling a single mutable timeline is to essentially "overwrite" time from the point when the time travellers appeared similarly to a NewGamePlus - Helen appears back then with all her levels and equipment, but future events are no longer set in stone and can happen differently with no consequence to her. Of course ''Primeval'' is firmly a TimeyWimeyBall series, so time travel basically works however the writers want it to at that moment.
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[[WMG: In Season 2 Episode 5, why does Cutter deny that there's a conspiracy?]]

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[[WMG: In [[Recap/PrimevalS2E5 Season 2 Episode 5, 5]], why does Cutter deny that there's a conspiracy?]]
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** The Predator dominated most of the fight with the Gorgonopsid. It was able to leap onto its back and dodge its every move after being tossed to the ground with force that should have broken every bone in its body. If the Gorgonopsid hadn't landed on its back, the Predator could have weakened it through wounding and exhaustion.
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* When Cutter and Stephen are in the Silurian desert and they find the remains of Leek's secret band of mercenaries, Stephen says that there's a traitor within the organisation. Cutter's response is: "I don't know that and neither do you!" Why the hell would Cutter say that when ''he himself'' saw the Cleaner who was supposed to be dead ''in the previous episode?'' If Cutter had agreed with Stephen and been a little more open with him in the first place [[spoiler: Stephen wouldn't have been kicked off the team and probably wouldn't even have been killed.]]

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* When Cutter and Stephen are in the Silurian desert and they find the remains of Leek's secret band of mercenaries, Stephen says that there's a traitor within the organisation. Cutter's response is: "I don't know that and neither do you!" Why the hell would Cutter say that when ''he himself'' saw the Cleaner who was supposed to be dead ''in the previous episode?'' If Cutter had agreed with Stephen and been a little more open with him in the first place [[spoiler: Stephen wouldn't have been kicked off the team and probably wouldn't even have been killed.]]
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* [[spoiler: Her plan seemingly involves stopping the ARC people from destroying humanity, or so she claims. Therefore she has to be in 2009, because that's the key point in history.]]
** [[spoiler: Seems to me she could stop that by pulling the same trick that turned Claudia Brown into Jenny Lewis. She seems to know enough to use the Butterfly Effect to her advantage. Whatever plan she's working seems far more elaborate.]]
** [[spoiler: Unlike her underwear.]]

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* [[spoiler: Her plan seemingly involves stopping the ARC people from destroying humanity, or so she claims. Therefore she has to be in 2009, because that's the key point in history.]]
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** [[spoiler: Seems to me she could stop that by pulling the same trick that turned Claudia Brown into Jenny Lewis. She seems to know enough to use the Butterfly Effect to her advantage. Whatever plan she's working seems far more elaborate.]]
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** [[spoiler: Unlike her underwear.]]



[[WMG::Why do the bodies of the 13 dead hominids show up in the fossil record and not the corpses of [[spoiler:Helen or the Velociraptor]]?]]
* Because really, if the conditions preserved them then the same conditions should preserve the [[spoiler: corpse of the modern human and dinosaur. And if you are a palaeontologist and you find the corpses of 13 hominids plus a modern human and a ''fucking dinosaur'' all in same place you are going to make a big deal of it, cause those are the sort of discoveries that over turn paradigms and make you famous!]]

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[[WMG::Why do the bodies of the 13 dead hominids show up in the fossil record and not the corpses of [[spoiler:Helen Helen or the Velociraptor]]?]]
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* Because really, if the conditions preserved them then the same conditions should preserve the [[spoiler: corpse of the modern human and dinosaur. And if you are a palaeontologist and you find the corpses of 13 hominids plus a modern human and a ''fucking dinosaur'' all in same place you are going to make a big deal of it, cause those are the sort of discoveries that over turn paradigms and make you famous!]] famous!



* The hominids were poisoned, so their bodies may have been toxic enough to discourage scavengers. [[spoiler: Helen and the velociraptor]] died by falling off a cliff, so were perfectly edible.

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* The hominids were poisoned, so their bodies may have been toxic enough to discourage scavengers. [[spoiler: Helen and the velociraptor]] velociraptor died by falling off a cliff, so were perfectly edible.



* [[spoiler:According to her, the world would be better of without humanity. This is arguable, but she actually goes so far as to claim that there would be "No war, no pollution, ''no predators''." Again, "''No predators.''" And on top of that, how is killing the "first family" supposed to erase humanity?:]]
** [[spoiler:A.) It's known that they were not the only members of their species alive at the time. ]]
** [[spoiler:B.) They're already dead in the "normal" timeline, and Homo sapiens still evolved. ]]
** [[spoiler:C.) Erasing humanity would prevent her from existing and from killing the first family to begin with. I understand that the creators went with the "history can't be changed" rules (with the exception of the Jenny/Claudia thing), but how can Helen not realize the paradox of what she's trying to do? ]]

** [[spoiler:Not predators, Predators. As in, the big ugly mutant bat monsters which humanity bred for military purposes. Anyway, in response to your actual IJBM, Helen wasn't planning to just kill that one group. She said that she was planning to move on to other pools and poison them as well, and she explained that at the time the population of hominids was very small, so that it would be possible to wipe them all out before they became widespread. So that was all explained in the episode. No clue on the time paradox thing, though. Time paradoxes give everyone headaches.]] (Tagged because it's a spoiler for the last episode.)

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* [[spoiler:According According to her, the world would be better of without humanity. This is arguable, but she actually goes so far as to claim that there would be "No war, no pollution, ''no predators''." Again, "''No predators.''" And on top of that, how is killing the "first family" supposed to erase humanity?:]]
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** [[spoiler:A.A.) It's known that they were not the only members of their species alive at the time. ]]\n
** [[spoiler:B.B.) They're already dead in the "normal" timeline, and Homo sapiens still evolved. ]]\n
** [[spoiler:C.C.) Erasing humanity would prevent her from existing and from killing the first family to begin with. I understand that the creators went with the "history can't be changed" rules (with the exception of the Jenny/Claudia thing), but how can Helen not realize the paradox of what she's trying to do? ]]

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** [[spoiler:Not Not predators, Predators. As in, the big ugly mutant bat monsters which humanity bred for military purposes. Anyway, in response to your actual IJBM, Helen wasn't planning to just kill that one group. She said that she was planning to move on to other pools and poison them as well, and she explained that at the time the population of hominids was very small, so that it would be possible to wipe them all out before they became widespread. So that was all explained in the episode. No clue on the time paradox thing, though. Time paradoxes give everyone headaches.]] (Tagged because it's a spoiler for the last episode.)
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*** They took weapons, Stephen had that rifle in his truck.

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*** They took weapons, Stephen had that rifle in his truck.truck.
** If they think Cutter is delusional, or if he objects to bring a weapon when searching for a lethal animal, then why send him on this mission in the first place? Heck, even without his raving about some woman that's never existed, he's just come back from a mission where he nearly lost his life and saw several people get savaged by a monster. You'd think he's earned a little downtime.

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** Probably got theUsefulNotes/OfficialSecretsAct pointed at them.

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** Probably got the OfficialSecretsAct poiinted at them.

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* Flying animals as big as that, yes. As big ''and bulky'' as that, no. Making them light enough to allow flight would have also made them more fragile. If the designers had wanted flying attack-animals, they'd have probably started with birds of prey as a baseline; the fact that they used bats suggests they were aiming for sensory acuity and a bit more brainpower than a hawk could offer, not flight.
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** It also set up the "haunted house" plotline for the following episode, IIRC. Sarah was also necessary as the TokenMinority, since some people (like RussellTDavies) had previously criticised the show for being all about white folks.

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** It also set up the "haunted house" plotline for the following episode, IIRC. Sarah was also necessary as the TokenMinority, since some people (like RussellTDavies) Creator/RussellTDavies) had previously criticised the show for being all about white folks.

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**Also, getting fossilized is actually incredibly difficult, requiring exactly the right conditions to preserve and fossilize the body. Being able to sink into mud helps though. The hominids died while drinking from the poisoned river, so they were in a better position to end up as fossils than Helen and the Raptor, who died up on dry land.
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** D) Somebody would probably try to cash in on the anomalies by launching dinosaur-hunts or whatever, potentially sabotaging the timeline without necessarily even meaning to ''a la'' Bradbury's ''Literature/TheSoundOfThunder''.

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** D) Somebody would probably try to cash in on the anomalies by launching dinosaur-hunts or whatever, potentially sabotaging the timeline without necessarily even meaning to ''a la'' Bradbury's ''Literature/TheSoundOfThunder''.
''The Sound Of Thunder''.
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** D) Somebody would probably try to cash in on the anomalies by launching dinosaur-hunts or whatever, potentially sabotaging the timeline without necessarily even meaning to ''a la'' Bradbury's ''TheSoundOfThunder''.

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** D) Somebody would probably try to cash in on the anomalies by launching dinosaur-hunts or whatever, potentially sabotaging the timeline without necessarily even meaning to ''a la'' Bradbury's ''TheSoundOfThunder''.
''Literature/TheSoundOfThunder''.
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** D) Somebody would probably try to cash in on the anomalies by launching dinosaur-hunts or whatever, potentially sabotaging the timeline without necessarily even meaning to ''a la'' Bradbury's ''TheSoundOfThunder''.
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* The hominids were poisoned, so their bodies may have been toxic enough to discourage scavengers. Helen and the velociraptor died by falling off a cliff, so were perfectly edible.

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* The hominids were poisoned, so their bodies may have been toxic enough to discourage scavengers. [[spoiler: Helen and the velociraptor velociraptor]] died by falling off a cliff, so were perfectly edible.
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* Maybe the place where those two were at weren't fossilized, or scavengers got to them first

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* Maybe the place where those two were at weren't fossilized, or scavengers got to them first
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** Or maybe, in the timeline that leads to that particular future, the ARC '''itself''' got moved through time, from immediately after civilization's breakdown into the distant era of the Mer creatures and giant bugs. Possibly it was some sort of last-ditch attempt to escape the disaster via an experimental Anomaly-induction device, or they'd meant to move the place ''back'' in time to head off the catastrophe, and went the wrong way. Unfortunately, some Predators were inside the radius of effect, got dragged along for the ride and killed everyone there, leaving the ARC and its surrounding structures as an inexplicably-intact enigma in a world millions of years older.
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* They cancel it on the grounds they can't afford the effects. Yet they pay £2 million to Cheryl Cole to host some shows?

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* They cancel it on the grounds they can't afford the effects. Yet they pay £2 million to Cheryl Cole Music/CherylCole to host some shows?
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** Regarding point C, the ''BackToTheFuture'' system where changing the past causes you to disappear and possibly destroys the Universe is not the only model of a mutable timeline and is actually quite rare in serious time travel fiction. The most common way of handling a single mutable timeline is to essentially "overwrite" time from the point when the time travellers appeared similarly to a NewGamePlus - Helen appears back then with all her levels and equipment, but future events are no longer set in stone and can happen differently with no consequence to her. Of course ''Primeval'' is firmly a TimeyWimeyBall series, so time travel basically works however the writers want it to at that moment.

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** Regarding point C, the ''BackToTheFuture'' ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' system where changing the past causes you to disappear and possibly destroys the Universe is not the only model of a mutable timeline and is actually quite rare in serious time travel fiction. The most common way of handling a single mutable timeline is to essentially "overwrite" time from the point when the time travellers appeared similarly to a NewGamePlus - Helen appears back then with all her levels and equipment, but future events are no longer set in stone and can happen differently with no consequence to her. Of course ''Primeval'' is firmly a TimeyWimeyBall series, so time travel basically works however the writers want it to at that moment.



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[[WMG: Caroline?]]
* Seriously what exactly was Caroline up to? Leek is paying her a huge stack of money to just sit around Connor and Abby's flat and do what? It was never explained what he was paying her to do. One episode has him telling her to delay them but why does she need to pose as his girlfriend to do that? So was he paying her all that money to hang around in the flat on the offchance that something would happen?
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[WMG: In Season 2 Episode 5, why does Cutter deny that there's a conspiracy?]]

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[WMG: In Season 2 Episode 5, why does Cutter deny that there's a conspiracy?]]
* When Cutter and Stephen are in the Silurian desert and they find the remains of Leek's secret band of mercenaries, Stephen says that there's a traitor within the organisation. Cutter's response is: "I don't know that and neither do you!" Why the hell would Cutter say that when ''he himself'' saw the Cleaner who was supposed to be dead ''in the previous episode?'' If Cutter had agreed with Stephen and been a little more open with him in the first place [[spoiler: Stephen wouldn't have been kicked off the team and probably wouldn't even have been killed.]]
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[[WMG: How the HELL did Connor create a device which could make anomalies?]]
* See, when the anomaly lockers and detectors were invented in Series 3 and 2 respectively, we knew how they worked (the former used electricity to lock them, while the latter was influenced by radio interference). We then had Series 4, where Connor and Prospero made a device which could work out what time the anomaly links to. We didn't learn how it works, but it didn't bother me too much because it wasn't that important to the plot. However, in Series 5, Connor is successfull in creating a machine which ''freaking opens anomalies'', and we don't know how it works! To make a machine like that, wouldn't you need to know everything about the anomalies, and how they work? Wouldn't working out how to control and create anomalies be one of the '''''biggest and most important plot points in the entire series?!''''' Well, the writers obviously didn't care, because we had Connor build one, as ''well'' as Prospero. Sure, Helen had dealings with Philip, but I got the impression that they (or at least Connor) worked out how to build the device on their own (and then, with New Dawn, how could they work out how to tap into every anomaly open on Earth and draw all of the power into that one device?). Seriously, such a big factor needed a decent explanation. Heck, they could even make a series on the subject!
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[[WMG: Why is the armed support so inconsistant?!]]
*Right, so the first series was rather consistent about it, there was a military support in every episode. But, as soon as Tom Ryan's character was killed off, they disappeared. In Series 2, we hardly saw them. Why? While the core team were quite adept at their job, there main role in the organisation was to investigate the anomalies, supply info on the creatures, and assist in their capture and containment, but not by themselves, surely? It's not as if there was a limit in staff! There was no support with the raptors, worms or the sabre-tooth! (Although, they could have decided not to use them with the worms because of the space in an office, and I think it was handwaved with the sabre-tooth as the owner of the park didn't want loads of armed soldiers around). They finally appeared in the episode with the Mers, but didn't really do anything. They were missing in the next three except for the part where they were with Jenny in the church and with Lester hunting for Leek. There absence in the Series 2 finale is understandable, given the group was held hostage by Leek. Now come Series 3, and because we now have one of the armed support guys as a regular (Becker), the armed dudes now have more of a presence. They appear in the first episode, their absence in the second is understandable, as they were investigating the house. In the third episode, they were in the hospital, but when they got back to the ARC, they all disappeared except for Becker. The units who were in the ARC were presumably captured, but the units who had come in with the team just disappeared. Were they all captured as well except for Becker, who somehow managed to stay under the radar? They were similarly missing in the episode after, however they were present in the rest of the series except for episodes where it is obvious why they are not there (the team is hiding in the terror bird episode, and the Megopteran one was a rescue mission without much time for backup). Now here's my biggest beef. Series Four and Five. It is specifically mentioned that the ARC was going to be more pro-military because of all the losses. But it only stays this way for like the first two episodes. Then they disappear again until the series finale, only really appearing in the background doing nothing. Most jarring is in the school episode. They really needed them then, and they weren't there. It wasn't even handwaved (something simple like the traffic could've worked!). Series 5 deals with it better. The middle three episodes have them on a submarine, in the past (where only Matt went), and in lockdown in the ARC. The two final episodes explains that all of the armed support were on duty covering other anomalies. But it's really inconsistent about the armed support the team are getting.
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