History Headscratchers / PonyPOVSeries

** They're punishing him for the evil he committed. Havoc IS the DimensionLord of Hell, punishing the dead for their sins is his job. We can only assume Discord's not wanting to be forgiven (something he outright SAID) means Havoc has to punish him too, even if its not eternal.

*** Origins kind of covered that; he's had a sadistic streak that Celestia unknowingly helped him feed that turned into full blown psychopathy. Real like SerialKillers and psychopaths don't always have a FreudianExcuse.

*** The point is, it's basically intentional FanfictionFuel.

* And why hasn't anyone ever asked these questions before?
** Because they must not have thought they were worth asking to them, I don't know.
*** Why aren't these questions considered important?
*** WordOfGod: You'll have to ask all the hundreds of other people who didn't ask them. We cannot speak on their behalf.
*** Why not speak for the authors then?
*** The authors want SOME things to not be quantified and left to audience interpretation.
*** Hence {{Headscratchers/Headscratchers}}.

* Why is the entire story on Website/DeviantArt? Especially for the mature entries that you would need a DA account to read, like Luna's side story, and the Generational Transitions.
** Because fanfiction.net won't accept fanfics with songs that are only ponyfied versions of copywrited ones and Equestria daily has yet to accept it.
*** What about GoogleDocs? Or [[http://www.fimfiction.net/ Fimfiction]]? The latter being a site created for Pony content with numerous Musical fics which contain ponyfied songs.
*** Talked with the author, he said he's planning to post it on Fimfiction as soon as he's posted the last of the stories leading up to the final arc.
*** You can also read up to Rarity's reharmonizing [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sRcoqhsB0T9SxeIVQmedOi5Psc1m7Rce4TxIH77ZxLw/edit?pli=1#here]] and download an e-book version [[http://www.mediafire.com/?n2p5zigfds1jzgb here]] and [[http://www.mediafire.com/?1y996dxnwfphk6r here]].
*** And now, you can start reading the fic proper on Fimfiction [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/32711/Pony-POV-Series-Season-One%3A-Reharmonization here.]]
** The fact that Equestria Daily won't publish this fic pisses this troper off to no end. What the hell?!?
** The author is every bit as ticked off as you are.
** It does make one wonder why they won't publish this. Is it simply because of the typos?
** Maybe they just don't think the story isn't that good?
*** Apparently, they think he wrote Applejack's accent as too thick, which is total BS as far as this troper is concerned...

* Ok, I can accept many different things about the spirit world, including that thanks to the abilities of timeline skewing Rancor can get [[spoiler: Cadence's hair ribbon for her spear and then thank Twilight for it before she is formally inducted as an alicorn.]] I can get how the spirit dimension allows for applebloom to be dead for near eternity before meeting Darkworld AJ. However, what I CANNOT accept is that somehow [[spoiler:Amitica is responsible for the many subtle surprise positive turns in the POV series. It just seems...unbelievable. Nightmare Paradox existing at the same time as Twilight the Unicorn makes sense to a degree because she's technically a canon immigrant from a time in the future, and then kept pulling herself into the past, so that she was on the same plane as all her previous selves. I can get that. I can also get that due to her twisting the timeline sideways so many times that there needed to be a kind of union of metaphysics among the many versions of twilight in order to contain the power Paradox took on for herself. That I get. However, this then leads me to probably one of my biggest questions. If Nightmare Paradox had to be purified into Alicorn Amitica, and that technically she didn't exist for eternity until the ascension happened, then how in the world did they manage to beat paradox the first time? You know, the time when there wasn't Amitica to keep twilight from going to the dark side. Did firefly choose to get help from megan on his own before? Did Celestia really get rescued by a sister she didn't even know existed at the time? Did twilight the alicorn really pull herself back even when she hadn't reached her ascension yet? Does amitica technically count as a paradox as well in that she spoke to herself before alicornification so she shouldn't have been able to exist even less than paradox because she was from a could be rather from a was?]] I mean....IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!!

*** But that doesn't help!!!! If there was some kind of workaround such as that [[spoiler: another god or goddess was filling in for happy endings and magic before Amitica's ascension,]] I could buy that. It would seem perfectly plausible that there was a second force that ensured [[spoiler: Twilight remaining morally true, Celestia not dying in the draconi-alicorn war, and that magic existed in the world. I could have accepted that.]] I also understand that "discovering" concepts doesn't mean that they weren't there before, like how there was always such a thing as Justice before we started to think about what that means. I understand that. However, what doesn't seem right to me is that we have the finite reaching the infinite in such a way that there seems to be a paradox and/or cover up of [[{{Pun}} Celestial]] proportions in the works.
*** Problem 1: The Cover Up. If Amicitia always existed, then [[spoiler: was Celestia LYING to reharmonized twilight when she was talking about seeing her 9 brothers and 8 sisters at her trial after the windigos? After all, she said effectively that all her still personable siblings were there, morning star excluded due to him rebelling. Did twilight just...stay out of the running of the family because she was too busy making everyone else happy? Did she just..not see her mentor at all during that time due to her either being inside Fauna Luster adjusting or for some reason not wanting to see her mentor? Was the reharmonized timeline celestia something that she cannot exist in and Amicitia had to canon immigrate into like Paradox for her moment to save her? But the way she talked about it makes it seem like it was her own timeline rather than any of the "splinter" worlds.]]
*** Problem 2: The Time/Concept Paradox. Further, this brings up a problem about "becoming". In Dark World 34, apparently ascending requires being "unmade" so that while you might still recognize your old identity, your new identity becomes what you are now. But, if by your logic Amicitia always existed even before DW, [[spoiler: then what did Twilight the unicorn even ascend into? Did she just...blend herself and paradox's parts into what Amicitia was? But that would contradict what Fauna Luster said about her being the first mortal ever to ascend to become a major arcana. Did she erase the amitica from before this point in timeline splits? Doesn't seem very loving for Fauna Luster to sacrifice one child for a duplicate with a different history, especially since there was apparently a trial period for Twilight to grow up into an alicorn. (that I'm excusing in terms of length, but not for residency, since razaroo from G3 was already there) Not to mention that this would be a contradiction of just how serious a deal Trixie made ascension, if she was taking on another's burden for them. If there was a kind of "reboot to the start", where after being placed into the eternal time stream she was then "magically" catered back to the dawn of existence and concepts so that then she could always exist(you know, back when Morningstar was still getting started), then that could have made sense as well. But this would cause a contradiction of consequence.]] You see, I've observed that although time is different in the spirit realm, there is still something called the passage of time, as the gods do find time to change. Hence how Discord slowly grew worse over his many interactions with Celestia. What doesn't quite make sense to me is that [[spoiler: Twilight finishes ascension after Cadence went through the Dark World, meaning she reenters existence after the DW. But then how can she really be the 2nd voice there if she technically could not have really been there since it was an older self that ascended at that point? Clover might have been unmade into minty, and then split up into 2 essences, but she still had to start with the material that was Clover. You can't just go backwards infinity times to look for the start of something. Otherwise, that thing will never start at all. If her choice placed her into an alternate timeline where she always existed, that might make some sens, but then the idea that she was always the voice runs into a problem because it again doesn't answer the question of how she stopped herself the first time. Was it an alternate paradox that changed its mind thanks to Trixie or the element of magic, or cadence or shining armor or....You can't just say that it was always this way, because paradox very forcefully made certain it wasn't always this way in that timeline. The idea of localizing Amicitia as always being the same being as Twilight the unicorn doesn't seem to work because unless she was created in the moment of twilight's purification as another alternate personality, or through some magic mumbo jumbo that would make some sense too, but that's never really stated, and the way it's currently presented makes it seem more...I dunno....inadequate as an explanation. It's just...]] [[{{Angrish}} graghgrahgrharowerrrrrgggghhhh]]. THIS is why I HATE a StableTimeLoop as a concept. It's because when you draw a circle, you may create an unending loop, but you have to put your pencil down first in order to draw it. That's why this whole "always exists" business doesn't make sense to me, because unless you're an elder, every story has to have a beginning. And the way you've structured this, it seems like there isn't really a plausible one for Amiticia. At least, not one that can start the loop in a way that mentally/philosophically makes sense to me. Maybe it's time to go to the WMG page to write down some outs I thought of doing this. Maybe I'll feel better afterwards. =(

*** Uuuuhhhhh. I hate TimeTravel.

** Because if there's one thing discord's good at, it's taking something pure and good, and taking it apart on its own terms to try and show the nothingness and nonsense behind it. The truth being painful? Laughter being hurtful? Killing Kindness? Impossible choices to impossibly conflicting loyalties? Turned into dolls when you liked them? Amplifying hearing the patterns in life so they're a deafening roar instead of a beautiful beat? Discord's a master at taking that which seems good, and tearing it down to nothing as his concept.

When nigthmare eclipse used the time travel spell they erased the soul of the pony but does that mean that she took the soul from tartarus and heaven and were then more powerful than havoc and Buddy? And if that's the case how did those soul feel knowing there were going to be erased sonnner or later.

** Bright Eyes' chapter implies another reason; even if He COULD, D___t was a WellIntentionedExtremist who even Strife thinks wasn't a good Draconequus and if he was restored, would be a ''huge'' treat to existence. It's seems Havoc WANTED to, but knew D___t being revived was simply something that would cause more harm than good.

** He's a ConspiracyTheorist who believes that the Alicorns are secretly tyrants oppressing and enslaving the 'superior' Earth Pony race. They ''are'' [[TheMan The Mare]]! (The fact that they wouldn't use their magic to fix [[spoiler:his wife's insanity]] doesn't help, either: he just sees that as further proof of their true nature.)

*** MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic of course.

*** RealLife is not a story, and this story is not RealLife. Why else would this {{Headscratchers/Headscratchers}} page exist, if not for pointing out FridgeLogic and PlotHoles?

When nigthmare eclipse used the time travel spell they erased the soul of the pony but does that mean that she took the soul from tartarus and heaven and were then more powerful than havoc and Buddy? And if that's the case how did those soul feel knowing there were going to be erased sonnner or later.

** I imagine lust in this sense means 'sexual attraction', just like Pride can either mean hubris ''or'' justified, healthy pride a person ''should'' have. Sexual attraction isn't inherently evil, it's a healthy part of most relationships, it's when it's taken to an extreme, as with pride, that it becomes a sin and could potentially harm others.

*** Hence HeadScratchers.

*** Hence HeadScratchers.

*** RealLife is not a story, and this story is not RealLife. Why else would this HeadScratchers page exist, if not for pointing out FridgeLogic and PlotHoles?

*** Hence HeadScratchers.

*** Well, he ''used'' to. [[ItGotBetter He's gotten better]] and seems to have given up on his bigotry, much to the joy of his neighbor Silver Axe.

* Why is the entire story on DeviantArt? Especially for the mature entries that you would need a DA account to read, like Luna's side story, and the Generational Transitions.

** Maybe the story just isn't that good?