History Headscratchers / PokemonMysteryDungeon

* Why do Wigglytuff and Lapras have feminine voices in the anime adaptation? I know one's big pink rabbit and the other has those [[StarWars Leia-bun ears]], but they're both male according to the game. Admittedly Wiggly kind of sounds like a woman ''trying'' to pull off a male voice, but that just raises more questions.
** This is the problem I find with books/games/manga being made into films/anime. If you play the game/ read the book or manga, you imagine someone's voice to sound a certain way, but everyone would have a different opinion. This makes them sound weird when they're voiced nothing like you imagined. I couldn't watch the anime version because I thought Grovyle sounded too... well, yeah... I just hated his voice. Also, I agree with the Wigglytuff bit. Woman pretending to be a man, hm?
** Probably a case of [[TheyJustDidntCare not caring]] on the dubbers' behalf. This troper expected Wigglytuff to sound like Dan Green, instead of just Grovyle. ''Everybody'' should have been voiced by Dan Green in that special. Except Dusknoir. He was good.
*** I just wish the guy doing Corphish didn't try to sound like [[SpongeBobSquarePants Mr. Krabs]].

* Why does everyone complain so much about the Perfect Apples incident in Time/Darkness/Sky? I mean sure, it was pretty rude of Chatot to just gripe you out without giving you a chance to speak, but it's not like he's the only person to ever act like that. Chatot would only expect that you wouldn't be able to get things done right because your team messes something up. Is that really unreasonable? Also, someone called Chatot the worst PMD character ever because of that. I don't see how anyone can think that, at least not compared to a character who [[MoralEventHorizon lied to the player saying that the world would be destroyed if they weren't killed]]! I might be missing something here, but people take that scene a bit out of proportion if you ask me.
** I agree with you too. What many people seem to miss was that Chatot was acting out of ''panic''; of COURSE he'd be more snappy and irrational than normal. If anything, Chatot's panic over the Perfect Apple incident should be blamed on Wigglytuff being so spoiled. If Chatot wasn't deathly afraid of Wigglytuff's temper, I'm sure he'd have listened to the hero and partner's explanation.
** I'll be the first to answer, I suppose. Sure it's unreasonable, but hey, we did our best to get the apples after a mildly challenging dungeon, and got punished (as well as a morale drop) for something that wasn't our fault. At least with Team Skull they get beaten a lot over the course of the story, but Chatot doesn't [[spoiler: until Brine Cave, which given the circumstances, acts as his RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap moment]]. It doesn't help that the next day [[KickTheDog he told us we shouldn't count on going on the expedition]], completely unprovoked, we weren't asking about it. It's not logical, it's emotional.
** Do you even get the chance to explain? Will he listen? No. Considering we're in the team's shoes, our anger towards the situation enlarges as he is essentially blaming YOU.

* In the first two games, what was the point of having Team Meanie say they want world domination. It never comes back, and it's all but dropped for the whole revenge against the player plot. Putting aside the fact that Team Meanie couldn't take over the world to save their lives, if the game was just going to drop it for different bad guy motives, why not just give them something simple as a motive, like that they're only in it for the money (which is kind of true already, just leave out the world domination stuff). It just seems like the team was saying,
--->"How can we show that these are the bad guys?"
--->"Have them act mean, be selfish, and care for no one but themselves?"
--->"Oh the kid'll never catch on. I know! They'll want world domination! Every villain wants to take over the world!"
--->"But with all the rest of the plot we have written out, won't that be... confusing?"
--->"Ah it's a kid's game, who cares?"
** Or they decided world domination would be too hard, and with other stronger Pokémon out their to whup their butts to the curb...

*** [[YourMileageMayVary Uncaring jerk]]? He was just doing his job, and was only harsh when he thought it was a HostageSituation. It's not like he went full-on PoliceBrutality while making the arrest or anything. [[spoiler: Armaldo went along willingly in the end, remember? It's not like he beat him into submission and dragged his body away from a screaming Igglybuff...]] Not to mention how at the end, Wigglytuff states clearly that "I don't believe there's any such thing as a truly bad Pokémon". It'd be a tad hypocritical for him to say that while still holding a grudge towards somebody who was, again, ''just doing his job''.

**** I was under the impression that the hero in Time/Darkness/Sky was psychic, albeit a limited one, considering A) It's not unheard of for humans to be psychic (as the main series proved with a whole collection of them plus Sabrina) B) The Time/Dark/Sky hero doesn't seem ''as'' phased of having pokémon talk to them [[spoiler:And like the above points mentioned, they hinted that the hero and Grovyle had conversations they could understand prior to the hero's transformation, even talking to each other (on-screen) in the intro]] whereas the Red/Blue hero was a lot more utterly freaked (the same with the anime short). They either had an ability to understand them outright, could read their minds/thoughts or both (maybe also implanting their own thoughts into their partner and few other exceptions since every other non-plot-important pokémon only hears "...")C) The above point of [[spoiler:how the Time/Dark/Sky character revealed they have the Dimensional Scream ability, which they had before they traveled to the past]], meanwhile the red/blue hero [[spoiler: only had the vaguest psychic ability to communicate with Gardevoir through their dreams and in visions, but that could've easily been Gardevoir's doing, not the hero's]]. Although point A and B could be poked at with a stick of how [[spoiler:the intro could've been a one-sided conversation between the hero and Grovyle and that Grovyle didn't outright talk]], the red/blue hero ''also'' sort of "implants their thoughts into their partner" and ''also'' has the problem where they never speak up to other pokémon you use as new leaders to talk with them, there's still a lot more Time/Dark/Sky hero can do that red/blue hero can't to warrant Time/Dark/Sky hero's abilities being because they were a human (once).

**** In the first set of games, the player is surprised by talking Pokemon because [[spoiler: he comes from a world of humans where pokémon cannot talk]]. In this game, he is not surprised because he has heard them before, perhaps due to his psychic abilities, or maybe because this universe just operates differently.

**** This troper always assumed that since the [[spoiler: the hero can't remember the future, he can't remember that he can talk to pokemon. Perhaps because of the dimensional scream, he was able to talk to Grovyle unlike any other humans could.]] As far as he knows, he shouldn't be able to understand them.

** I fully agree with you. I think people take it a bit too far, but [[HumansAreBastards that's humans for ya]].

** The way the time gear slots are arranged, you could put one more slot on the top. It could be that there was meant to be one more, but it was DummiedOut, and the mention of one at a volcano was TheArtifact.

** I imagine they got there just before the other explorer, and heard him coming. Since they were uncertain of how strong he was at first, the decided they would launch a sneak attack by hiding as statues and catching the foe by surprise. Once they realized it was nothing more than a Graveler, they decided not to bother attacking, and just left with the treasure.

* How does Igglybuff (2nd special episode) have a treasure bag? I can understand Bidoof, Sunflora, and Team Charm (the former 2 are guild members, the latter is a full-fledged exploration team) and maybe we can forgive Grovyle (the planetary investigation team could have given him one), but Igglybuff didn't even know what an Exploration team was until Banette told him. I could understand if he had a one-item inventory up until he met Armaldo, who likely had a Treasure Bag, but Igglybuff was able to carry a large amount of items prior to them meeting.
** I always assumed that Skorupi and Banette had their own bag. Not a Treasure Bag, just a plain ol' bag, but still a perfectly useable, item-carrying bag.
*** It's still referred to as a treasure bag in the episode at the time(when you look at it, pick up an item, etc.). Even ignoring that, it'd have to be pretty big to not be a treasure bag and still be able to hold up to 48 items(depending on when you play the episode, but I think the minimum is 32, still a large amount of items), so it would still be a bit difficult for them to lug around throughout the dungeon, whether it was full or not.

**** I was under the impression that the hero in Time/Darkness/Sky was psychic, albeit a limited one, considering A) It's not unheard of for humans to be psychic (as the main series proved with a whole collection of them plus Sabrina) B) The Time/Dark/Sky hero doesn't seem ''as'' phased of having pokémon talk to them [[spoiler:And like the above points mentioned, they hinted that the hero and Grovyle had conversations they could understand prior to the hero's transformation, even talking to each other (on-screen) in the intro]] whereas the Red/Blue hero was a lot more utterly freaked (the same with the anime short). They either had an ability to understand them outright, could read their minds/thoughts or both (maybe also implanting their own thoughts into their partner and few other exceptions since every other non-plot-important pokemon only hears "...")C) The above point of [[spoiler:how the Time/Dark/Sky character revealed they have the Dimensional Scream ability, which they had before they traveled to the past]], meanwhile the red/blue hero [[spoiler: only had the vaguest psychic ability to communicate with Gardevoir through their dreams and in visions, but that could've easily been Gardevoir's doing, not the hero's]]. Although point A and B could be poked at with a stick of how [[spoiler:the intro could've been a one-sided conversation between the hero and Grovyle and that Grovyle didn't outright talk]], the red/blue hero ''also'' sort of "implants their thoughts into their partner" and ''also'' has the problem where they never speak up to other pokemon you use as new leaders to talk with them, there's still a lot more Time/Dark/Sky hero can do that red/blue hero can't to warrant Time/Dark/Sky hero's abilities being because they were a human (once).

** Surely yes. Actually, it does seem that no human can actually understand Pokémon in any way better than "Bowowowow!" "What, Lassie? Timmy fell in the well?" stuff.
*** I don't know. It takes something out of [[spoiler:the epic scenes of Grovyle and human meeting Celebi to go back in time, all the while hounded by Dusknoir and ultimately thwarted by Darkrai]], if it's done in Pokespeech. [[spoiler:"Grovyle! Grovyle!" "'''Duuusk...'''"]]

*** If time stops in a place when a gear is removed, the wouldn't it make sense that the gears are supposed to be in those places?

* The hero in all the games so far is an amnesiac who is fully aware they were human and have been turned into a pokemon. Like all other pokemon in their level range (5), they share the same moves their species would/could know by that level. The hero is also fully capable of ''using'' those moves without fail (not including if they miss). Again, the hero was/is a ''human''. How is it that they know how to use their moves (especially their soon-to-be-learned elemental ones) the instant you gain control of them? How is it that they know how not to sneeze/fart out an accidental flamethrower/ember, constantly shock ''everyone within 50 feet of them'' or themselves without knowing how to control a thundershock or Static ability, or how to actually ''use a water gun'' and not just spit a huge loogie at their target?

*** It all makes perfect sense to ''the player'' (and can turn what could've been a half an hour's worth of a tutorial into a few bearable minutes), but what about ''the main character''? The main character is an amnesiac human that turned into a random pokemon based on their personality and gender (and this is assuming that they don't lie on the interview), so it can't be that they predicted which pokemon they would be and worked into the moves. The partner also probably can't teach them because they will never be the same species or type as the main character and probably have little clue themselves about how the main character's elements work (unless the player cheats). Even if they did, they are whisked away into a dungeon not too long after they meet and it isn't until after they went through the dungeon (and the main character could've used their moves) that the partner could have the time to teach the main character (which is too late). Every other pokemon in the area either are mooks that want nothing more than to see the main character/the partner [[strike:killed]] knocked out, or are more focused on getting help than stopping for a few minutes to teach newbies, so it can't be them either. The mechanics that the tutorial teaches to the player also are directed at a lot of the controls the main character shouldn't have a clue of what they are or where he/she could trigger them ([[MetalGear unless their human self had been a member of Foxhound, that is]]), and besides this the thing that stands between them and that tutorial is the fourth wall. Even though it covers everything for ''the player'', and the main character usually ''is'' the player, in times they are ''not'', [[http://coshi-dragonite.deviantart.com/art/Pokemon-Dungeon-Newbie-Grass-39359216 well...]] [[http://coshi-dragonite.deviantart.com/art/Pokemon-Dungeon-Newbie-Water-38954204 Hmm...]]

*** But we're not talking rescue missions, here, we're talking delivery missions. You know, the "I can't live without blue gummis please bring me one" missions. There's no mention of the pokemon being stuck on that floor; just that they want you to find the item and deliver it. The question is why do they need to have it delivered ''there'' when they're going straight back to the post office with you?

* So how did Koffing and Zubat steal the partner's artefact when ''neither of them have hands''?

*** When was it stated that Grovyle was trying to kill you? If you're talking about Crystal Cave, yes, he was severely ticked off at you, and Dusknoir did swoop in to save you, but when Grovyle went to get the other Time Gears, he was perfectly content with KO'ing Mesprit and Uxie, with nothing indicating that he was actually trying to kill them.
** This just bugged me, too... I can buy the partner not trusting Grovyle during the future segment... But trying to go back to Dusknoir (who had ''explicitly'' just set you up to be executed, as opposed to Grovyle ''possibly'' almost killing you ''on accident''), and complaining about Grovyle taking a Time Gear ''when he had agreed to go along with you and Grovyle'' really has no explanation.

* Not so much a complaint with the plot itself, but why do people assume that [[spoiler:the Darkrai that you can recruit is the same one as the BigBad one]]? It's shown that there are at least two different Celebi in the PMD-verse, so it's possible that there are at least two [[spoiler:different Darkrai]] as well. More importantly, though, [[spoiler:why would Darkrai set up the time portal to take him ''to the same era he was currently in''? You'd think that, since he was trying to escape and all, he'd go somewhere else (most likely at least slightly backwards in time) in order to keep the heroes from finding him]]. And you'd think that [[spoiler:the hero and partner would have some kind of reaction to seeing the same Darkrai again]].

** He may actually ''be'' doing other work offscreen, but can't handle all the work himself or delegate to his officers. Posting jobs at the Guild helps with the workload because there's all sorts of exploration teams out there, of all different types -- perfect for when he's ill-equipped to handle a villain himself due to bad type matching.

** If you were in a mystery dungeon filled with hostile pokes, would you use your strongest attack every time a hostile poke appeared before you?

** I've always figured it was something like this: When you look at your wonder map, you will notice that the land in which the story plays is probably a simple island. Maybe a rather large island, but definitely not continent-sized, seeing as their expedition to Fogbound Lake can't have taken more than two or three days. So maybe there simply aren't any humans on that ''particular'' island, but instead on larger continents. There might have been ''some'' contact, enough to know that humans exist, but not much else about them. So after this 'End of Days scenario', as you call it, humans tried to find out the cause and some travelled to the island...plus "[...]the world inhabited only by Pokemon" from the introduction probably just sounded more impressive.

**** No, no, no, no. Think of it as this: the player can understand Pokémon; the player character, as a human, cannot. It's just a matter of TranslatorMicrobes... or whatever.
**** Wait! Counterevidence has been discovered! [[spoiler:Grovyle and the human shared conversations regarding the Groudon statue and the time travel mishap!]] The human ''had'' to have been able to understand!

**** I was under the impression that the hero in Time/Darkness/Sky was psychic, albeit a limited one, considering A) It's not unheard of for humans to be psychic (as the main series proved with a whole collection of them plus Sabrina) B) The Time/Dark/Sky hero doesn't seem ''as'' phased of having pokemon talk to them [[spoiler:And like the above points mentioned, they hinted that the hero and Grovyle had conversations they could understand prior to the hero's transformation, even talking to each other (on-screen) in the intro]] whereas the Red/Blue hero was a lot more utterly freaked (the same with the anime short). They either had an ability to understand them outright, could read their minds/thoughts or both (maybe also implanting their own thoughts into their partner and few other exceptions since every other non-plot-important pokemon only hears "...")C) The above point of [[spoiler:how the Time/Dark/Sky character revealed they have the Dimensional Scream ability, which they had before they traveled to the past]], meanwhile the red/blue hero [[spoiler: only had the vaguest psychic ability to communicate with Gardevoir through their dreams and in visions, but that could've easily been Gardevoir's doing, not the hero's]]. Although point A and B could be poked at with a stick of how [[spoiler:the intro could've been a one-sided conversation between the hero and Grovyle and that Grovyle didn't outright talk]], the red/blue hero ''also'' sort of "implants their thoughts into their partner" and ''also'' has the problem where they never speak up to other pokemon you use as new leaders to talk with them, there's still a lot more Time/Dark/Sky hero can do that red/blue hero can't to warrant Time/Dark/Sky hero's abilities being because they were a human (once).

**** In the first set of games, the player is surprised by talking Pokemon because [[spoiler: he comes from a world of humans where pokemon cannot talk]]. In this game, he is not surprised because he has heard them before, perhaps due to his psychic abilities, or maybe because this universe just operates differently.

** Um... Maybe they never were there in the first place? As mentioned, ''even the lake guardians'' think that the Time Gears can't be moved, and, ''as seen in the games'', the Time Gears ''need'' to be in their current places to keep time in check in those places.

** ''At least'' they eat. In any other Pokemon game from Red to Black, your pokemon could feed on air if you chose not to use any consumable items on it.

** This one's interesting. The starters all have tons of special sprite animations, including sleeping and rising from bed (different from the sleep status effect every pokemon has), eating food in the mess hall, and the "cheer at the camera" pose. (You might notice they also do a similar "walk" animation when winning sentry duty after evolving). They also get about 8 different mood avatars. As you can imagine, that is a ''lot'' of artwork for just one pokemon. So naturally, they didn't want to have to draw all this art for the two evolved stages of each starter as well. This is also the reason you cannot evolve until the very end of the game when you're done using all these animations, since there are no more story scripts.

** Its more along the laziness on the programmers part, every single pokemon in the game has a sleeping animation. I don't see why they couldn't have used that. (yeah, there is a special 'yawning' animation) But them using their in dungeon sleeping sprites would have been fine, its what the original game did.

* Delivery quests. So a pokemon's gone to the post office to post request, then to some insane floor in a dungeon (eg: I'm on level 25 of Magma Cavern which several rescue teams couldn't get close to) and wait for you at which point they ''return to the freaking post office''. Why not just meet them there?!

** This game's TimeyWimeyBall dictates that things occur co-temporally. If it takes, say, two hours for the heroes to fix Temporal Tower in the past after Grovyle goes back, it will take two hours in Grovyle's time for the changes to occur. Though that brings up the question of how Grovyle and Dusknoir can get up after being unconscious, scale Temporal Tower, go to Blizzard Island and complete numerous dungeons inbetween during the time it takes our heroes to climb present-day Temporal Tower.

*** When was it stated that Grovyle was trying to kill you? If you're talking about Crystal Cave, yes, he was severely ticked off at you, and Dusknoir did swoop in to stop Grovyle, but when Grovyle went to get the other Time Gears, he was perfectly content with KO'ing Mesprit and Uxie instead of killing them.

**** Probably Gameplay And Story Segregation - it was implied by Grovyle that just about everyone in the blackened future had gone completely insane, and the human would have had to defend himself against lunatic pokemon, and maybe crazy humans as well. The game doesn't say how, but for all we know, he could have also been a very skilled fighter as a human, and perhaps even used weapons, but this is venturing into WMG territory

* Not so much a complaint with the plot itself, but why do people assume that [[spoiler:the Darkrai that you can recruit is the same one as the BigBad one]]? It's shown that there are at least two different Celebi in the PMD-verse, so it's possible that there are at least two [[spoiler:different Darkrai]] as well. More importantly, though, [[spoiler:why would Darkrai set up the time portal to take him ''to the same era he was currently in''? You'd think that, since he was trying to escape and all, he'd go somewhere else (most likely at least slightly backwards in time) in order to keep the heroes from finding him]].

** Just like every other animal species seem to have died, too -- or it wouldn't be understandable how Pokémon are classified as "dog" or "cat" or "worm" -- , it's not too far fetched to imagine humans have gone the same way round.

** They normally ''can'' evolve, it's just that because time is screwed up, the place where Pokémon go to evolve isn't working. The first mission after clearing the story is to go fix it, though it remains... complicated for the hero and his/her partner. It's not until after Manaphy is recruited and the Marine Resort is unlocked will you be able to get the evolution thing done by defeating and recruiting Palkia.

** In the first PMD game, you're a human in your home world - but nobody said that this world was inhabited by humans only. The player couldn've been a trainer for all we know, so he/she knew what moves the pokemon of his chosen species could use. In the second PMD game, you more or less ''is'' a trainer in the future, seeing as Grovyle was your partner. So chances are you saw other pokemon of your species around, and likewise saw them use moves. Besides, you start out as a low level, who usually know simple physical moves - surely Growl or Tackle isn't too hard to figure out? As you battle and level-up, you gradually learn how to use your more advanced pokemon attacks, or so I think.

** Its more along the laziness on the programmers part, every single pokemon in the game has a sleeping animation. I don't see why they couldnt have used that. (yeah, there is a special 'yawning' animation) but them using their in dungeon sleeping sprites would have been fine, its what the original game did.

*** When was it stated that Grovyle was trying to kill you? If you're talking about Crystal Cave, yes, he was severely ticked off at you, and Dusknoir did swoop in to attack Grovyle, but when Grovyle went to get the other Time Gears, he was perfectly content with KO'ing Mesprit and Uxie instead of killing them.

* When Dusknoir first appears in ''Explorers'', everyone starts talking about how great of an explorer he is, how he's so knowledgable, and just how famous he is in general. Problem is, he only recently just arrived in this world, being sent from the future. They never did make it clear exactly how long he's been hanging around looking for Grovyle, but I don't really think it was long enough for him to become so renowned. So what's the beef?

* Why do people keep claiming that the human in Explorers was a FutureBadass? The title of TheTeamNormal would have been more appropriate considering he is a meager human (with a power that doesn't work in the time period theyre in) up against creatures with razor sharp claws and other superpowered creatures.

**** Probably Gameplay And Story Segregation - it was implyed by Grovyle that just about everyone in the blackened future had gome completly insane, and the human would have had to defend himself against lunatic pokemon, and maybe crazy humans as well. The game doesn't say how, but for all we know, he could have also been a very skilled fighter as a human, and perhaps even used weapons, but this is venturing into WMG territory

** This just bugged me, too... I can buy the partner not trusting Grovyle during the future segment... But trying to go back to Dusknoir (who had ''explicitly'' just set you up to be executed, as opposed to Grovyle possibly almost killing you ''on accident''), and complaining about Grovyle taking a Time Gear ''when he had agreed to go along with you and Grovyle'' really has no explanation.

* Your default name is your species.. That could be passed as amnesia but it's really your name so.. A human kid named "Pikachu"?

** Just like every other animal species seem to have died, too -- or it wouldn't be understandable how Pokémon are classified as "dog" or "cat" or "worm" -- , it's not too far fetched to imagine humans have gone the same way round.

**** I was under the impression that the hero in Time/Darkness/Sky was psychic, albeit a limited one, considering A) It's not unheard of for humans to be psychic (as the main series proved with a whole collection of them plus Sabrina) B) The Time/Dark/Sky hero doesn't seem ''as'' phased of having pokemon talk to them [[spoiler:And like the above points mentioned, they hinted that the hero and Grovyle had conversations they could understand prior to the hero's transformation, even talking to each other (on-screen) in the intro]] whereas the Red/Blue hero was a lot more utterly freaked (the same with the anime short). They either had an ability to understand them outright, could read their minds/thoughts or both (maybe also implanting their own thoughts into their partner and few other exceptions since every other non-plot-important pokemon only hears "...")C) The above point of [[spoiler:how the Time/Dark/Sky character revealed they have the Dimensional Scream ability, which they had before they travelled to the past]], meanwhile the red/blue hero [[spoiler: only had the vaguest psychic ability to communicate with Gardevoir through their dreams and in visions, but that could've easily been Gardevoir's doing, not the hero's]]. Although point A and B could be poked at with a stick of how [[spoiler:the intro could've been a one-sided conversation between the hero and Grovyle and that Grovyle didn't outright talk]], the red/blue hero ''also'' sort of "implants their thoughts into their partner" and ''also'' has the problem where they never speak up to other pokemon you use as new leaders to talk with them, there's still a lot more Time/Dark/Sky hero can do that red/blue hero can't to warrant Time/Dark/Sky hero's abilities being because they were a human (once).

* The fact that Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Time/Darkness doesn't feature evolution until (I've been told) the very end bugs me a lot. Isn't evolution part of a Pokémon's life? After all, there's a Marill whose younger brother is an Azurill, it seems just logical. Also, beating Dialga as a damned Turtwig just seems way too off in terms of scale...

* Okay, so Mystery Dungeon 2's whole plot centres on getting the Time Gears to Temporal Tower before it collapses. What I want to know is why the silly things weren't at Temporal Tower to begin with.

* In the first two games, what was the point of having Team Meanie say they want world domination. It never comes back, and it's all but dropped for the whole revenge against the player plot. Putting aside the fact that Team Meanie couldn't take over the world (of course!) to save their lives, if the game was just going to drop it for different bad guy motives, why not just give them something simple as a motive, like that they're only in it for the money (which is kind of true already, just leave out the world domination stuff). It just seems like the team was saying,

* Ah. I forgot about that. Then there is one more thing for me. At Azelf's lake, why did Dusknoir interrupt Grovyle from finishing off the hero and partner? I would have thought it would be pretty cruel to have Dusknoir watch Grovyle kill off Azelf and the two heroes, and THEN come out and tell Grovyle that he just killed his old partner. That would be demoralizing for Grovyle, too, plus the hero is done for in that scenario.
** I'm pretty sure that would have been too easy. Besides, how would you like it if your player and partner were KilledOffForReal?
*** That would suck in-game, sure, but story-wise, that would have made sense...
**** No, it wouldn't.
***** ...you're going to need more justification than "no, it wouldn't" to explain why he would save the lives of two Pokemon that he intended to kill, and not in a WorthyOpponent manner. Yes, it would hurt the plot if the protagonists died there, but such an out-of-character action on Dusknoir's part counts as OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow... which falls under BadWriting. Really, the only reason I can think of why he saved them was that it wasn't time for TheReveal yet.
****** To each his own. *continues playing Explorers of Sky*

**** You wanted to picture an anthro Latias naked? And one other thing, Latias's brother gets to wear a veil!
*** I dunno, when Latias takes the form of a human using her illusion powers, there's just something attractive about that. Not the actual Pokemon, but the human she bases her illusion off of (Bianca or whoever she was).
**** ...dude, you have weird taste.
***** Wait a minute, when did we go from questioning about 'supposedly' selling the unhatched Pokémon into slavery to lusting over an illusion?