History Headscratchers / PokemonBlackAndWhite

** Considering their typing, they're using their Illusion to trick people, [[IncrediblyLamePun like a fox]], right? [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty They trick their opponents]] with their Illusion, which is what some Dark and Ghost types are known for, tricking and deceiving people. He's also based off the kitsune, foxes that tricked people for fun. Maybe it seems Psychic-y, but tricking people is [[EvilIsPetty something much more fun and mean]], thus the Dark-typing.

*** Of course the anime isn't canon to the games, unless they're specifically stated to continue the game's story (WoW's ExpandedUniverse movies, cartoons, comics, etc. are in alternate universes). Garbage, though? Definite YMMV.

** Dragon Pokemon are weak to Ice-types. Icirrus' Gym Leader specialises in Ice-types. Problem solved.

** I assumed at the time of playing it that Reshiram represents truth because it also represents the "natural" or "traditional" state -- things staying the same -- while Zekrom, being part machine, represents ideals because it also represents "progress" in all its forms, including technological -- things changing. Correct me if I'm wrong (TheOtherWiki has failed me), but isn't change/lack of change another duality that the Yin/Yang represents?

*** N was being raised as a king, hinting that Ghetsis would use him to replace the government. I doubt Ghetsis would simply use N as a puppet king, considering to a megalomaniac like him that's not good enough. Ghetsis could try to claim N was filling the spot for him, but people would prefer N and catch on to Ghetsis only doing all this [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans for the sake of ruling Unova.]] Ghetsis could arrest him, but then he'd have to keep him alive, which [[TheSociopath would be too much of hassle.]] Let's face it, Ghetsis would probably take the easy way out and kill N, probably using his Hydreigon to do it: Hydreigon [[AxCrazy are infamous for their temper]], and Ghetsis could claim that he lost control of Hydreigon. In summation, Ghetsis would've found killing N the best option at ensuring his rise to power, [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy and we all know that's something]] [[LackOfEmpathy he'd have no problem with.]]

*** That's exactly the point of the move: to force slower Pokemon to move first, including those using decreased priority moves. If any move seems like it works for the sole purpose of benefiting your opponent or is otherwise useless in a single or rotation battle, chances are that it was intended for use in double and triple battles. The same goes for many moves that you wouldn't be able to use consistently, such as Snatch (which can be used by one of your Pokemon to steal the effects of one of your other Pokemon's moves). Quash is almost useless without Trick Room, though. It forces the opponent to go last, but it has no increased Priority and most of the Pokemon that gain the move are slow. Even worse is the fact that, unlike After You, the number of things able to learn it didn't increase in B2W2.

* In Hiun/Castelia City, there's streets where there are lots of people busily running back and forth. But when you get to the Central Plaza, there's barely any people there. What happened to them?

** Its mustache is just that sexy?
*** It's the new MemeticSexGod of Pokemon.
**** Actually, it's probably because Cryogonal is partially based on a giant mirror. There are a couple of moves that don't make sense for it to have--Flash Cannon and Solar Beam--until you realize that those attacks are light-based and mirrors reflect light. So the reason why it learns Attract... is because ''it's reflecting its opponent, trying to make its opponent fall in love with its own image!''

** This is kind of stretching it, but I always thought of it as the castle being ancient ruins from a long forgotten civilization, and anything to suggest a more recent building point is actually Team Plasma discovering and refurbishing it as a base of sorts. (I haven't played the games in a while but I remember a mechanic in the game where you actually explore ruins underwater to collect treasure. Maybe it's related?)

*** [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything The Dev Team Didn't Think Of Everything]].
*** No, because they DON'T levitate; [[FridgeBrilliance they fly.]] If there was some "Flapping Wing" ability that was functionally the same, they probably would have got it. But there isn't.

* Why did almost no fans really have a problem with Generation V, when it was pretty much Generation III all over again, and more fans complained about that than ever? In both Generations, we are uprooted into a region far away from anything we are familiar with (Hoenn is an island region far away from the Tohjo Continent, and Unova is far from ANY of the regions), the Pokedex was completely overhauled in both, with either very little or no Pokemon from previous generations being catchable), and yet fans complained more about Gen III than Gen V. I am so confused as to why.
** Gen III did the following: drastically changed style in Pokemon design, had no backwards compatability, was very much driven by MoneyDearBoy (between all the versions and games you needed to complete the Dex), Hoenn was ''half water routes'', and the rest of the region is relatively bland. Gen V on the other hand did the following: answered many fan requests (weather in battle, faster battles, more rivals, reusable [=TMs=]), had a compelling and interesting story, varied and diverse areas, and while it did introduce entirely new Pokemon, the old ones are still widely available. And frankly, the fandom is also a bit more mature than the Gen III days. Gen V also really just has a bunch of polish that the Gen III games really don't have in hindsight.
** What world do you live in that nobody complained about Generation V?

* Why is it that when people complain about fighting [[ThatOneBoss Elesa]], they claim that her pair of Emolga are difficult because there's only one Rock-type (Roggenrola) and it's too slow (which is true)? You can pick up a Dwebble in Desert Resort (accessible prior to Elesa's gym) that learns Rock Polish (boosts speed) and Smack Down (allows Ground-type attacks to hit Emolga). The fight is much easier with one of these guys on your team.
** They do not appreciate having access to dozens of pokemon and realizing that only one is effective when they have already lost the battle.
** Dwebble isn't even that effective against her Emolgas. It's too slow for rock polish to make any kind of difference in the battle flow and Dwebble's low special defence means it goes down within about 2 Volt Switches.
** You don't even need Rock Polish, just use Stealth Rock first turn and alternate between healing and using Smack Down/Rock Slide, Elesa will mostly destroy herself with her constant switching. The only time it would be difficult is if the team is under levelled or the player didn't buy any potions/paralyse heal, which is the players fault not the game's.
** This troper completely killed the pair of Emolgas with a Gurdurr (which naturally learns Rock Throw and later Rock Slide).
* Alright, this one is probably going to surprise people, but why do people describe Ghetsis as a Complete Monster? I'm talking pre-Black and White 2 mind you, I know he does something quite monstrous in that game. But, in Black and White all I see is a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bastard]], maybe even a [[MagnificentBastard Magnificent One]]. But a Complete Monster? Really?
** Because before Black 2 and White 2 came out, [[spoiler: we were expected to believe that the only reason N existed was for Ghetsis to obtain the legendary Pokemon and fulfill his selfish desires of being the only person in the world to use Pokemon. While this is proven to not be 100% true by Anthea and Concordia, he also admits that the whole "liberating Pokemon" thing was nothing more than a lie he made to create Team Plasma in the first place. So he was using ''the entirety of Team Plasma'' for such a scheme.]] Also, [[spoiler: since we find out that he told the Shadow Triad to give the player the orbs for the creation trio, many people think the implications there were ugly.]]
*** And yet Cyrus did pretty much the same thing with Galactic. [[spoiler: He wasn't gonna share his universe. Plus it would be smarter for him to be the only one to use Pokemon. If Everyone has Pokemon, then that's basically saying that there's an army that he'd have to fight in order to take over Unova.]] Now then as for the [[spoiler: 'using N' subject, let me just say that we don't know in Black and White if N is his foster son or not.]] I'm assuming that the question is answered in Black 2 and White 2, but I wouldn't know because I have not played that game. [[spoiler: N was simply one pawn in his plan. Other people such as Cyrus or Greevil have had many more pawns in their plans. Same with that guy from that Ranger game that I don't really care about but have read about due to sheer boredom. The third one just so you know.]] There are many other people who should be called a Complete Monster before Ghetsis.
**** Besides [[spoiler:Darkrai the mastermind - behind the main story, tried to trick you into killing, then tried to kill you in Azurill's nightmare, then tried to kill you by tricking '''Palkia''' of all things to think you're the bad guy, and even after you defeat him, he still had another backup plan. And it seems that he wanted to shroud planet in everlasting darkness for evulz.]] in PMD and [[spoiler:Purple Eyes - went so far that he actually was ''exiled'' from this plane of existence, a fate that no one else has been deemed evil enough for]] in Guardian Signs, who else? (probably someone from Orre) Cyrus has excuse of that he was a normal child, but was put under way too much stress and gradually went crazy. Ghetsis? We don't know his backstory as far as I recall.
**** It's because of what a completely vile, shamelessly sadistic, entirely self-centered, cruel, abusive, manipulative, and depraved person he is. It could be argued that his actions don't measure up to the evil deeds of other Pokemon villains, but it could also be argued that it's because he has a lesser scale, limited opportunity, and a sense of pragmatism in how he carries out his heinous wickedness. But that aside, it's who he ''is'' that got people calling him a Complete Monster, not just what he ''did.'' The things he's done are bad enough, but the kind of person he is evokes feelings of "what sort of person would be sick enough to do or say these things and have this attitude/behavior about it all?", which got people to thinking of Fridge Horror and imagining the things this sort of man ''would'' do. Basically, even if he hasn't gone beyond the pale and done the unthinkable yet, he's shown himself to be the type of villain who would if he could, as opposed to other villains who show more restraint or redeeming features. That is why he's thought of as such a monster. Also, before the trope got all super strict about criteria, Ghetsis hit every one of the ones that were there. In fact, he ''still'' hits all the criteria listed on the trope's main page! It's the FAQ on the clean-up thread that disagrees with him, which is why he can't be included. Doesn't change that fans will continue to view him as one, and for good reason.

* After [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire two]] [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl generations]] of averting it, why the sudden change back to SchrodingersPlayerCharacter (minus the cameo in the Battle Subway)? Especially since this Gen is so much more plot heavy than the rest and the protagonists seem to be getting a better reception than the previous installments...
** They wanted a return to Pokemon's roots. And they probably weren't going to significantly change a game that far along just because people liked the protagonists' character designs. Adding another main character would mean additional story drafting and all that other stuff. Two rivals is already plenty.
*** Not to mention that N may not be called so but fill the qualifications of a rival (you battle him a 5 times and he even becomes Champion, something not seen since Blue). So you got Cheren, Bianca (and) N. Though I myself thought they should had replaced Cheren or Bianca for the opposite gender rival and just give it their story, in fact and even more interesting thing would had been to change Cheren for the male counterpart if you chose the girl and to change Bianca for the female counterpart if you chose the boy.
** It's a retraux gen. Gen 1 and Gen 2, which these games allude from heavily, didn't have the other protagonist.

** I guess you could also say that it would be as if Chuck Norris asked you for that soda you're drinking. Chuck Norris isn't the president, or anything, but you would still give him your soda because he has the power to [[Website/ChuckNorrisFacts roundhouse kick you beyond death, through time, and kill you with 1,214 objects in an average room, including the room itself]]

** I assumed at the time of playing it that Reshiram represents truth because it also represents the "natural" or "traditional" state -- things staying the same -- while Zekrom, being part machine, represents ideals because it also represents "progress" in all its forms, including technological -- things changing. Correct me if I'm wrong (theOtherWiki has failed me), but isn't change/lack of change another duality that the Yin/Yang represents?

** Gen III did the following: drastically changed style in Pokemon design, had no backwards compatability, was very much driven by MoneyDearBoy (between all the versions and games you needed to complete the Dex), Hoenn was ''half water routes'', and the rest of the region is relatively bland. Gen V on the other hand did the following: answered many fan requests (weather in battle, faster battles, more rivals, reusable TMs), had a compelling and interesting story, varied and diverse areas, and while it did introduce entirely new Pokemon, the old ones are still widely available. And frankly, the fandom is also a bit more mature than the Gen III days. Gen V also really just has a bunch of polish that the Gen III games really don't have in hindsight.

*** And yet Cyrus did pretty much the same thing with Galactic. [[spoiler: He wasn't gonna share his universe. Plus it would be smarter for him to be the only one to use Pokemon. If Everyone has Pokemon, then that's basically saying that there's an army that he'd have to fight in order to take over Unova.]] Now then as for the [[spoiler: 'using N' subject, let me just say that we don't know in Black and White if N is his foster son or not.]] I'm assuming that the question is answered in Black 2 and White 2, but I wouldn't know because I have not played that game. [[spoiler: N was simply one pawn in his plan. Other people such as Cyrus or Greevil have had many more pawns in their plans. Same with that guy from that Ranger game that I don't really care about but have read about due to sheer boredom. The third one just so you know.]] There are many other people who should be called a complete monster before Ghetsis.

*** N was being raised as a king, hinting that Ghetsis would use him to replace the government. I doubt Ghetsis would simply use N as a puppet king, considering to a megalomaniac like him that's not good enough. Ghetsis could try to claim N was filling the spot for him, but people would prefer N and catch on to Ghetsis only doing all this [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans for the sake of ruling Unova.]] Ghetsis could arrest him, but then he'd have to keep him alive, which [[TheSociopath would be too much of hassle.]] Let's face it, Ghetsis would probably take the easy way out and kill N, probably using his Hydreigon to do it: Hydreigon [[AxCrazy are infamous for their temper]], and Ghetsis could claim that he lost control of Hydreigon. In summation, Ghetsis would've found killing N the best option at ensuring his rise to power, [[GenreSavvy and we all know that's something]] [[LackOfEmpathy he'd have no problem with.]]

* Alright, this one is probably going to surprise people, but why do people describe Ghetis as a Complete Monster? I'm talking pre-Black and White 2 mind you, I know he does something quite monstrous in that game. But, in Black and White all I see is a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bastard]], maybe even a [[MagnificentBastard Magnificent One]]. But a Complete Monster? Really?

**** It's because of what a completely vile, shamelessly sadistic, entirely self-centered, cruel, abusive, manipulative, and depraved person he is. It could be argued that his actions don't measure up to the evil deeds of other Pokemon villains, but it could also be argued that it's because he has a lesser scale, limited opportunity, and a sense of pragmatism in how he carries out his heinous wickedness. But that aside, it's who he ''is'' that got people calling him a Complete Monster, not just what he ''did.'' The things he's done are bad enough, but the kind of person he is evokes feelings of "what sort of person would be sick enough to do or say these things and have this attitude/behavior about it all?", which got people to thinking of Fridge Horror and imagining the things this sort of man ''would'' do. Basically, even if he hasn't gone beyond the pale and done the unthinkable yet, he's shown himself to be the type of villain who would if he could, as opposed to other villains who show more restraint or redeeming features. That is why he's thought of as such a monster.
* Related to the above, I keep reading throughout These pages, and I keep running into people who say [[spoiler: that it's implied that Ghetsis would have murdered N when he was done with him.]] Excuse me, but ''where'' was this implied? Not spoken, just implied.

** The Champion wields the most clout, and other Trainers, even the Gym Leaders, have to do what he says (fortunately, all of them have been cool people or you prevented them from being Champions for long *cough* Blue *cough*). N tells everyone to let their Pokemon go, and they'd have to comply. [[spoiler:All according to plan for Ghetsis, who would have then murdered his son and taken over the country.]]

* Alright, this one is probably going to surprise people, but why do people describe Ghetis as a Complete Monster? I'm talking pre-Black and White 2 mind you, I know he does something quite monstrous in that game. But, in Black and White all I see is a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bastard]], maybe even a [[MagnificentBastard Magnificent One]]. But a complete monster? Really?

*** And yet Cyrus did pretty much the same thing with Galactic. [[spoiler: He wasn't gonna share his universe. Plus it would be smarter for him to be the only one to use Pokemon. If Everyone has Pokemon, then that's basically saying that there's an army that he'd have to fight in order to take over Unova.]] Now then as for the [[spoiler: 'using N' subject, let me just say that we don't know in Black and White if N is his foster son or not.]] I'm assuming that the question is answered in Black 2 and White 2, but I wouldn't know because I have not played that game. [[spoiler: N was simply one pawn in his plan. Other people such as Cyrus or Greevil have had many more pawns in their plans. Same with that guy from That Ranger game that I don't really care about but have read about due to sheer boredom. The third one just so you know.]] There are many other people who should be called a complete monster before Ghetsis.

*** I don't see how him having a well thought out team implies that he's gonna kill N. Yes, defeat him, take the title of champion, that I can understand, but... kill him? Really? [[spoiler: He didn't try anything that drastic 'til Black and White 2.]]